I’ve sent my mood MKII back to Chase bliss twice for this issue. Ping pong doesn’t work nearly as good in stereo, or even at all. They told me my pedal was working perfectly fine, but I know what ping pong delay is supposed to sound like. I just gave up and bought an echo system for my ping pong needs. Still use the mood MKII and love it though.
It seems this “issue” is by design, and it makes sense. Knowing that it can be tweaked per preset helps. But yeah, for dedicated ping pong would probably be good to have something else so you can utilize the Mood in many other ways!
Hey, so i came across this same issue a few months ago and emailed their helpdesk about it. TLDR - It's by design. Here's what I got back: "Delay mode in particular will mirror your input panning, then exaggerate this with Spread On. But, this means if your input signal is panned center, all of the delays will be center panned, and the ping-pong will bounce, but only between center and center. Hope that makes sense. If you want the delays to be spread out, your input panning needs to be spread out as well. The reasoning for this is then the user gets to define how wide the spread is on the delays, but, if there isn't anything making your signal true stereo on the way into MOOD (ex you have a guitar that is plugged into a stereo pedal prior to MOOD, but that pedal is bypassed) your signal will technically be panned center and not trigger a wide delay. The delay mode producing delays, and the other modes working and producing stereo fields as intended let's me know the pedal is working as it should. If this were a signal routing issue with the pedal, then all modes would be faulty, not just Delay mode. We can verify delay is working as intended by using a Mono input and stereo output on MOOD. Be sure to turn on the MISO and Spread dipswitches for this. You should get a pretty exaggerated ping-pong effect in this set up" So, as far as i can tell, it's just the delay mode this happens with. The others make a stereo spread regardless. I overcame it all by making it my 1st stereo pedal in the chain, so it needs to be MISO.
I appreciate this video as this would effect something I had been wanting to try (Deco into Lossy, into a stereo reverb, where the lossy isn’t always on), glad you instantly provide a work around, you basically just have to have a preset for when it’s being bypassed where MISO isn’t activated so it preserves the stereo width of previous stereo pedals in the chain.
@@thepedalcollaborative I’m honestly not sure yet, I actually quite like the reverb sound in the lossy honestly, but I’d like to have some kind of very clean reverb to sandwich the lossy with (running its own interior reverb pre-loss effect), I’ve been thinking about the Mercury 7
The Mercury 7 is really great! I’d suggest keeping the modulation on that reverb low to start and then dial to taste. I’m finding a nice light and clean reverb (like a room or plate) to be the chef’s kiss after a slew of fun glitchy effects! Let us know what you land on!
I have a Habit (no, not that kind) and I just got my Reverse Mode C, so this video is extremely relevant to me, particularly since I am working on interfacing them with MIDI via my Luminite Graviton M1 controller. This was recorded so cleanly and quietly that my ears picked up all the subtleties you were pointing out. And then, just as I was thinking "aw, shucks" you provided the solution that I was already in the process of implementing. Great video!
“I have a Habit (no, not that kind)” 😂 😂 😂 Great opening line!!! Well thank you for the kind words. I’m glad this video was relevant to you. That’s my hope in these things. Thank you so much for being a part of the conversation! Interested to hear how the Habit and RMC integrate with your M1 controller! Would love to hear more!
Sounds great man!! Love the ping pong stuff. That is kinda weird how it goes away like that. Might be worth an email to CB customer service and see what they say..
It’s possible that a firmware update in the future could speak to this. The CB circuits are so jam packed of options it could very well be unavoidable but I’m no circuit master! 😂 Glad there’s a way around it though :)
I have no issues with everything running in stereo. Maybe the difference is that I’m running them all stereo ( no miso) but I’m using a non chase bliss pedal with mono in stereo out before the chase bliss pedals.
This is exactly what I have been doing since I got the Mood 2, saving a preset with miso off to not lose ping pong in previous pedal)I noticed this too in my set up..I have a Raster 2 going into the Mood 2..I love my stereo effects on both pedals..The only thing this workaround doesn't solve is total stereo ping pong on both at the same time if your using both etc..(if your in delay mode on Mood 2)one always suffers.. because the Raster is an awesome stereo field manipulation pedal with modulation and pitch at the same time as delay,so Id love to have total stereo goodness on both at the same time...
Totally hear you! Glad I’m not the only one who’s still loving these pedals even with this quirk. Question for you: have you tried putting the Raster 2 after the Mood so you get the stereo ping pongs from both? I’ve not used a Raster so I don’t know how that would work. Obviously pedal order affects other things as well so maybe you’ve already thought about it and decided it’s best before.
Yes I have tried this..The thing with the Raster is you need it first in your stereo chain to get ping pong..If it were after the Mood 2 or any other stereo pedal it can't have ping pong because it only has 3 routing choices,Mono in Mono out,Mono in Stereo out and Stereo in Stereo out..When it's after a Stereo pedal you must have Stereo in Stereo out to get any stereo effects but not ping pong..If I had any other routing it would be totally mono..but as you and I have figured out it doesn't matter as we can save a preset on Mood with Miso off to get ping Pong in previous pedal..
@patrickr6505 so kind of the same thing on the Raster? You have to choose. Does the raster allow different presets to have different routing options or is it a master routing option?
@@thepedalcollaborative It's Master Routing..So you see I always have to have Raster first in my pedal chain..The stereo effects on it are incredible so I can't lose them lol..But again as we say at least we can save preset configuration on the Mood 2...It's not an issue for me cos if I want another stereo delay at the same time as my Raster I just put on another stereo pedal that doesn't loose ping pong or stereo like my Polymoon or Dreadbox Raindrops etc...
Hey, don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm currently not using MISO at all. I use a mono splitter cable to run my guitar signal in stereo instead.
@@thepedalcollaborative I believe the reason is because of how the pedal does stereo ping pong. It probably tries to ping pong both the left and right audio at the same time with no delay between them. I noticed a slight difference when buffering one signal by a couple of milliseconds and with phase reversing.
@combatspire that makes sense, especially with buffering one signal and phase reversing. I’m no circuit expert…heck, I’m not even a hobbyist! I’m sure the fine brains at Chase Bliss have good reason to design their circuits the way they do. This video was not meant as a complaint so much but more of a way to work around
Interesting! By chance did you try adjusting the hidden option on the MOOD that controls the stereo spread? Maybe it needs to be adjusted to account for the stereo input?
You know, I didn’t. Then after you commented (thank you btw :) I went back into the manual to take a better look. Two settings I HAVEN’T considered in this are both the “Spread” DIP and the “Stereo Width” hidden feature. The “Spread” DIP redistributes an incoming stereo image and alternates it different ways depending on the setting to make it…different? So in the example in the manual, you have a delay that’s coming in only on the right channel at 30% spread to the right, the “Spread” DIP engaged would have those delay taps alternate between L & R at 30%. In my case here, the Rev Mode C coming stereo would be changed with that “Spread” DIP on. Still not sure if it accounts for the MISO needing to be engaged to hear that ping pong on the Mood, but something to test and see. In this video ALL three CB pedals have the “Spread” DIP engaged because that’s how I like them by them selves...but I haven’t thought about what difference that brings collectively. 🧐 The “Stereo Width” hidden feature sets the panning of the Wet channel. I didn’t mess with that either. Quite possible that adjusting these settings makes a difference here. I will say though if that’s the case, then that’s even MORE tweaking you can do and save per preset! It truly is amazing how many features are packed into these pedals, especially the Mood Mkii! You really can tweak it to your heart’s desire!
Let me ask you this, because ive been thinking about how to utilize the CB stereo pedals in my set up...does MISO or not to MISO make a difference in the stereo application when the pedal is bypassed, and can the MISO be selectively switched through CC without an active preset engaged? Im wondering because i want to come out of my Morningstar ML10 stereo into one of the stereo CB pedals, and would like to be able to switch out of MISO on that pedal when using a stereo patch on the ML10,so that everything is stereo, but would like to be able to go back to MISO when doing a mono patch, without necessarily having to turn the CB pedal on for effect.
So I’ve noticed that the MISO on/off is still present when the pedal is disengaged. HOWEVER, there is also a True Bypass option on the Mood Mkii specifically that I have never messed with. Both MISO and True/Bypass or Buffered Bypass are MIDI switchable so my presumption is that yes, you could switch the Mood to True Bypass and not even have to deal with the MISO when the pedal is off. Here’s a link to the Mood’s MIDI Manual: static1.squarespace.com/static/622176a9b8d15d57ffbf5700/t/64405904508bd86d899117d0/1681938693019/MOOD+MKII_MIDI+Manual_Pedal_Chase+Bliss.pdf
After I typed all that I went and looked at the manual lol. True bypass or no, I would assume one would still have to specify MISO or no, to tell the pedal where the audio that it is bypassing is coming from. Glad to hear it still maintains the signal path when bypassed. It would be interesting to see the internal signal path through effects, because if there is summing happening, then you could be loosing true stereo image. I'll have to play around and see what I am able to figure out with the midi and such.
I haven’t read through all of the comments, but I wonder if adjusting the stereo width “hidden function” with MISO disengaged would help bring the ping pong to the desired width in stereo? I’m currently awaiting my MOOD mkII and intend on using it on a solely stereo board for my synth(s). So now I’m very curious regarding any other shortcomings that may be experienced in a stereo setup. ☹️ I know you demonstrated the preset workaround. Although, it seems like it could be a “waste” of an onboard preset if you’re not using a midi controller.
I made another video going through all the mono/stereo combinations with the MISO and SPREAD switches here: ua-cam.com/video/RjbjmRwuPjI/v-deo.html It touched on the hidden width feature. However the ping pong is only present with MISO on. Hope this all helps!
First make sure you have TRS patch cables. You would think that goes without saying but... Secondly these are extremely complex pedals that weren’t necessarily designed to work as a set, hence why you get sub optimal performance when trying to use all three at their extreme capabilities.
Yup. Using TRS cables. I don’t think I would say the purpose of this video has anything to do with them as a set. It’s about the MISO switch and how it affects both incoming and outgoing stereo signals. The video would have the same result had I used just the Mood and any other stereo pedal before it
I am not sure what is going on here. Like I mess around with stereo with my Volante and basically ping pong and I can sit and watch my left and right levels bounce back and forth. Not happening anywhere on this video though.
Interesting. There are definitely ping pong moments with considerable spread. Make sure you’re wearing headphones to get the most out of this one. The ping pong comes in and out throughout the video. I will say though the ping pong on the Mood Mkii is quite different than that on the Volante. Not meant to be the same. The Volante is an incredibly awesome delay! My favorite from Strymon for sure!
@@thepedalcollaborative Well now I think something is wrong with my setup lol No matter what the audio is the same on both sides like its one channel.
@masterofreality230 hmm. Then I can see why it would not sound the way it should. Hope it’s an easy fix for you. I hate troubleshooting stuff like that!
@@thepedalcollaborative My god, now the video makes sense. It was a literal button switched to mono in Windows accessibility settings. Glad it only took an hour.
Aw shucks I’d email CB and see? I know I’ve hear spread sums any stereo input to mono then makes it stereo again, and so maybe there is something happening b/c of that ?..
Interesting thought! I’ll check and see if switching off Spread makes that difference. It’s the same on all 4 of my stereo CB small boxes, so I don’t think it’s a fluke. But maybe the Spread control like you mentioned. Great idea! Thanks!!
@@thepedalcollaborative yeah man! Could there be phase cancellations of some kind!? Honestly, if you get it to work the way you want it to that’s the main thing :) But I’ve been wondering, with multiple delays, where do you place the reserve type? Before a dual delay / analog? Or after? I’m trying to figure that out!
If you listen very carefully, the ping pong goes from full wide in MISO to having the Right channel come in more to center while Left is still out wide. Could that be a phase thing? I’m not sure. But yes you’re right, the important thing is having a way to work with it that works. Again, might not be a flaw, but another way to use it to your advantage!
Also, where you put a reverse delay is completely up to you! I typically like it before the Mood Mkii as it becomes “mood food” but I could easily see placing it after another delay as well. I recently recorded a track (just playing no talking!) of this exact set up with the Microcosm engaged after the Lossy on the Mosaic 1 setting in reverse. So it went Reverse Mode C > Mood Mkii > Lossy > Microcosm (in reverse). So answer: put it anywhere that makes your ears happy!
@@thepedalcollaborative mood food is genius ! With the setup like reverse mode C first going into Mood, the direct sound passes through into mood to be delayed as well as a mix of the reversed signal right? But I get the extra special thing is the moods microlooper manipulation to snip it. … hmmm!! I’m trying to start off strong with a good initial placement of these and I would love to know what you’d do? I have MOOD mkii; Keeley Halo (capable of halo, bucket brigade, tape); Walrus D1 (capable of reverse, tape, analog, digital, and dual).
I suppose that’s possible. Could phase cancellation affect only one side of the stereo field? Even psychoacoustically? Im no expert which is why I’m asking
@@thepedalcollaborative well, if you have a TRS splitter, you could experiment with switching the left and the right between the pedals. Would be worth trying just to see what happens
@@thepedalcollaborativeI like the talking. don't sweat what this other mug says. & thanks for all your thoughtful efforts & great musics in all these vids of yours.
@fallprecauxionsmusic I appreciate you and your encouraging words! This community is meant to encourage each other in our musical journeys! Different strokes for different folks, so I understand not everyone likes the talking. That’s why I label all the ones without talking as such! Thanks for being a part of conversation! Wishing you the very best of days!
@@thepedalcollaborative& thank you for your kindly reply here. happy days to one & all!! & I look forward to more music & demos with helpful verbal breakdowns from here until the end of time.....
I’ve sent my mood MKII back to Chase bliss twice for this issue. Ping pong doesn’t work nearly as good in stereo, or even at all. They told me my pedal was working perfectly fine, but I know what ping pong delay is supposed to sound like. I just gave up and bought an echo system for my ping pong needs. Still use the mood MKII and love it though.
It seems this “issue” is by design, and it makes sense. Knowing that it can be tweaked per preset helps. But yeah, for dedicated ping pong would probably be good to have something else so you can utilize the Mood in many other ways!
Hey, so i came across this same issue a few months ago and emailed their helpdesk about it.
TLDR - It's by design.
Here's what I got back:
"Delay mode in particular will mirror your input panning, then exaggerate this with Spread On. But, this means if your input signal is panned center, all of the delays will be center panned, and the ping-pong will bounce, but only between center and center. Hope that makes sense.
If you want the delays to be spread out, your input panning needs to be spread out as well. The reasoning for this is then the user gets to define how wide the spread is on the delays, but, if there isn't anything making your signal true stereo on the way into MOOD (ex you have a guitar that is plugged into a stereo pedal prior to MOOD, but that pedal is bypassed) your signal will technically be panned center and not trigger a wide delay.
The delay mode producing delays, and the other modes working and producing stereo fields as intended let's me know the pedal is working as it should. If this were a signal routing issue with the pedal, then all modes would be faulty, not just Delay mode.
We can verify delay is working as intended by using a Mono input and stereo output on MOOD. Be sure to turn on the MISO and Spread dipswitches for this.
You should get a pretty exaggerated ping-pong effect in this set up"
So, as far as i can tell, it's just the delay mode this happens with. The others make a stereo spread regardless. I overcame it all by making it my 1st stereo pedal in the chain, so it needs to be MISO.
Brilliant! Thanks for reporting that! I’m fine with it being by design. There’s a way around it via the presets which to me is great!
I appreciate this video as this would effect something I had been wanting to try (Deco into Lossy, into a stereo reverb, where the lossy isn’t always on), glad you instantly provide a work around, you basically just have to have a preset for when it’s being bypassed where MISO isn’t activated so it preserves the stereo width of previous stereo pedals in the chain.
EXACTLY! Hope it helps! Deco into Lossy into reverb sounds awesome! I’d there a certain reverb you have in mind?
@@thepedalcollaborative I’m honestly not sure yet, I actually quite like the reverb sound in the lossy honestly, but I’d like to have some kind of very clean reverb to sandwich the lossy with (running its own interior reverb pre-loss effect), I’ve been thinking about the Mercury 7
The Mercury 7 is really great! I’d suggest keeping the modulation on that reverb low to start and then dial to taste. I’m finding a nice light and clean reverb (like a room or plate) to be the chef’s kiss after a slew of fun glitchy effects! Let us know what you land on!
I have a Habit (no, not that kind) and I just got my Reverse Mode C, so this video is extremely relevant to me, particularly since I am working on interfacing them with MIDI via my Luminite Graviton M1 controller. This was recorded so cleanly and quietly that my ears picked up all the subtleties you were pointing out. And then, just as I was thinking "aw, shucks" you provided the solution that I was already in the process of implementing. Great video!
“I have a Habit (no, not that kind)” 😂 😂 😂 Great opening line!!!
Well thank you for the kind words. I’m glad this video was relevant to you. That’s my hope in these things.
Thank you so much for being a part of the conversation! Interested to hear how the Habit and RMC integrate with your M1 controller! Would love to hear more!
Sounds great man!!
Love the ping pong stuff. That is kinda weird how it goes away like that. Might be worth an email to CB customer service and see what they say..
It’s possible that a firmware update in the future could speak to this. The CB circuits are so jam packed of options it could very well be unavoidable but I’m no circuit master! 😂
Glad there’s a way around it though :)
I have no issues with everything running in stereo. Maybe the difference is that I’m running them all stereo ( no miso) but I’m using a non chase bliss pedal with mono in stereo out before the chase bliss pedals.
Then if you’re running a Mood Mkii in stereo in delay, you’re not getting a ping pong with MISO off, correct?
This is exactly what I have been doing since I got the Mood 2, saving a preset with miso off to not lose ping pong in previous pedal)I noticed this too in my set up..I have a Raster 2 going into the Mood 2..I love my stereo effects on both pedals..The only thing this workaround doesn't solve is total stereo ping pong on both at the same time if your using both etc..(if your in delay mode on Mood 2)one always suffers.. because the Raster is an awesome stereo field manipulation pedal with modulation and pitch at the same time as delay,so Id love to have total stereo goodness on both at the same time...
Totally hear you! Glad I’m not the only one who’s still loving these pedals even with this quirk.
Question for you: have you tried putting the Raster 2 after the Mood so you get the stereo ping pongs from both? I’ve not used a Raster so I don’t know how that would work. Obviously pedal order affects other things as well so maybe you’ve already thought about it and decided it’s best before.
Yes I have tried this..The thing with the Raster is you need it first in your stereo chain to get ping pong..If it were after the Mood 2 or any other stereo pedal it can't have ping pong because it only has 3 routing choices,Mono in Mono out,Mono in Stereo out and Stereo in Stereo out..When it's after a Stereo pedal you must have Stereo in Stereo out to get any stereo effects but not ping pong..If I had any other routing it would be totally mono..but as you and I have figured out it doesn't matter as we can save a preset on Mood with Miso off to get ping Pong in previous pedal..
@patrickr6505 so kind of the same thing on the Raster? You have to choose. Does the raster allow different presets to have different routing options or is it a master routing option?
@@thepedalcollaborative It's Master Routing..So you see I always have to have Raster first in my pedal chain..The stereo effects on it are incredible so I can't lose them lol..But again as we say at least we can save preset configuration on the Mood 2...It's not an issue for me cos if I want another stereo delay at the same time as my Raster I just put on another stereo pedal that doesn't loose ping pong or stereo like my Polymoon or Dreadbox Raindrops etc...
Good point!
Hey, don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm currently not using MISO at all. I use a mono splitter cable to run my guitar signal in stereo instead.
Do you get the ping pong effect from the Mood that way?
@@thepedalcollaborative Just tested it, and unfortunately no. Also tested with hard panning the left and right signal, but no noticable difference.
Bummer. I just tested mine and the only way I get ping pong is with MISO and SPREAD both on
@@thepedalcollaborative I believe the reason is because of how the pedal does stereo ping pong. It probably tries to ping pong both the left and right audio at the same time with no delay between them. I noticed a slight difference when buffering one signal by a couple of milliseconds and with phase reversing.
@combatspire that makes sense, especially with buffering one signal and phase reversing.
I’m no circuit expert…heck, I’m not even a hobbyist! I’m sure the fine brains at Chase Bliss have good reason to design their circuits the way they do. This video was not meant as a complaint so much but more of a way to work around
Interesting! By chance did you try adjusting the hidden option on the MOOD that controls the stereo spread? Maybe it needs to be adjusted to account for the stereo input?
You know, I didn’t. Then after you commented (thank you btw :) I went back into the manual to take a better look. Two settings I HAVEN’T considered in this are both the “Spread” DIP and the “Stereo Width” hidden feature.
The “Spread” DIP redistributes an incoming stereo image and alternates it different ways depending on the setting to make it…different? So in the example in the manual, you have a delay that’s coming in only on the right channel at 30% spread to the right, the “Spread” DIP engaged would have those delay taps alternate between L & R at 30%. In my case here, the Rev Mode C coming stereo would be changed with that “Spread” DIP on. Still not sure if it accounts for the MISO needing to be engaged to hear that ping pong on the Mood, but something to test and see. In this video ALL three CB pedals have the “Spread” DIP engaged because that’s how I like them by them selves...but I haven’t thought about what difference that brings collectively. 🧐
The “Stereo Width” hidden feature sets the panning of the Wet channel. I didn’t mess with that either.
Quite possible that adjusting these settings makes a difference here. I will say though if that’s the case, then that’s even MORE tweaking you can do and save per preset!
It truly is amazing how many features are packed into these pedals, especially the Mood Mkii! You really can tweak it to your heart’s desire!
Let me ask you this, because ive been thinking about how to utilize the CB stereo pedals in my set up...does MISO or not to MISO make a difference in the stereo application when the pedal is bypassed, and can the MISO be selectively switched through CC without an active preset engaged? Im wondering because i want to come out of my Morningstar ML10 stereo into one of the stereo CB pedals, and would like to be able to switch out of MISO on that pedal when using a stereo patch on the ML10,so that everything is stereo, but would like to be able to go back to MISO when doing a mono patch, without necessarily having to turn the CB pedal on for effect.
So I’ve noticed that the MISO on/off is still present when the pedal is disengaged. HOWEVER, there is also a True Bypass option on the Mood Mkii specifically that I have never messed with. Both MISO and True/Bypass or Buffered Bypass are MIDI switchable so my presumption is that yes, you could switch the Mood to True Bypass and not even have to deal with the MISO when the pedal is off. Here’s a link to the Mood’s MIDI Manual: static1.squarespace.com/static/622176a9b8d15d57ffbf5700/t/64405904508bd86d899117d0/1681938693019/MOOD+MKII_MIDI+Manual_Pedal_Chase+Bliss.pdf
After I typed all that I went and looked at the manual lol. True bypass or no, I would assume one would still have to specify MISO or no, to tell the pedal where the audio that it is bypassing is coming from. Glad to hear it still maintains the signal path when bypassed. It would be interesting to see the internal signal path through effects, because if there is summing happening, then you could be loosing true stereo image. I'll have to play around and see what I am able to figure out with the midi and such.
@JustinKosler I’ll check it out too! I assume true bypass would keep it in true stereo but only way to know is to test! 🕵️
I haven’t read through all of the comments, but I wonder if adjusting the stereo width “hidden function” with MISO disengaged would help bring the ping pong to the desired width in stereo? I’m currently awaiting my MOOD mkII and intend on using it on a solely stereo board for my synth(s). So now I’m very curious regarding any other shortcomings that may be experienced in a stereo setup. ☹️ I know you demonstrated the preset workaround. Although, it seems like it could be a “waste” of an onboard preset if you’re not using a midi controller.
Well said! Let me look into this and let you know!
@@thepedalcollaborative any luck with adjusting the stereo width hidden function in this specific context?
I made another video going through all the mono/stereo combinations with the MISO and SPREAD switches here:
ua-cam.com/video/RjbjmRwuPjI/v-deo.html
It touched on the hidden width feature. However the ping pong is only present with MISO on.
Hope this all helps!
First make sure you have TRS patch cables. You would think that goes without saying but... Secondly these are extremely complex pedals that weren’t necessarily designed to work as a set, hence why you get sub optimal performance when trying to use all three at their extreme capabilities.
Yup. Using TRS cables.
I don’t think I would say the purpose of this video has anything to do with them as a set. It’s about the MISO switch and how it affects both incoming and outgoing stereo signals. The video would have the same result had I used just the Mood and any other stereo pedal before it
I am not sure what is going on here. Like I mess around with stereo with my Volante and basically ping pong and I can sit and watch my left and right levels bounce back and forth. Not happening anywhere on this video though.
Interesting. There are definitely ping pong moments with considerable spread. Make sure you’re wearing headphones to get the most out of this one. The ping pong comes in and out throughout the video.
I will say though the ping pong on the Mood Mkii is quite different than that on the Volante. Not meant to be the same. The Volante is an incredibly awesome delay! My favorite from Strymon for sure!
@@thepedalcollaborative Well now I think something is wrong with my setup lol No matter what the audio is the same on both sides like its one channel.
@masterofreality230 hmm. Then I can see why it would not sound the way it should. Hope it’s an easy fix for you. I hate troubleshooting stuff like that!
@@thepedalcollaborative Yea, heck of a way to find out lol Have a good one.
@@thepedalcollaborative My god, now the video makes sense. It was a literal button switched to mono in Windows accessibility settings. Glad it only took an hour.
Aw shucks I’d email CB and see? I know I’ve hear spread sums any stereo input to mono then makes it stereo again, and so maybe there is something happening b/c of that ?..
Interesting thought! I’ll check and see if switching off Spread makes that difference. It’s the same on all 4 of my stereo CB small boxes, so I don’t think it’s a fluke. But maybe the Spread control like you mentioned. Great idea! Thanks!!
@@thepedalcollaborative yeah man! Could there be phase cancellations of some kind!? Honestly, if you get it to work the way you want it to that’s the main thing :)
But I’ve been wondering, with multiple delays, where do you place the reserve type? Before a dual delay / analog? Or after? I’m trying to figure that out!
If you listen very carefully, the ping pong goes from full wide in MISO to having the Right channel come in more to center while Left is still out wide. Could that be a phase thing? I’m not sure.
But yes you’re right, the important thing is having a way to work with it that works. Again, might not be a flaw, but another way to use it to your advantage!
Also, where you put a reverse delay is completely up to you! I typically like it before the Mood Mkii as it becomes “mood food” but I could easily see placing it after another delay as well. I recently recorded a track (just playing no talking!) of this exact set up with the Microcosm engaged after the Lossy on the Mosaic 1 setting in reverse. So it went Reverse Mode C > Mood Mkii > Lossy > Microcosm (in reverse). So answer: put it anywhere that makes your ears happy!
@@thepedalcollaborative mood food is genius ! With the setup like reverse mode C first going into Mood, the direct sound passes through into mood to be delayed as well as a mix of the reversed signal right? But I get the extra special thing is the moods microlooper manipulation to snip it. … hmmm!! I’m trying to start off strong with a good initial placement of these and I would love to know what you’d do? I have MOOD mkii; Keeley Halo (capable of halo, bucket brigade, tape); Walrus D1 (capable of reverse, tape, analog, digital, and dual).
Sounds like you’re probably getting some sort of phase cancellation
I suppose that’s possible. Could phase cancellation affect only one side of the stereo field? Even psychoacoustically? Im no expert which is why I’m asking
@@thepedalcollaborative well, if you have a TRS splitter, you could experiment with switching the left and the right between the pedals. Would be worth trying just to see what happens
@athomeontwo that would be interesting. I’ll have to try that and report back!
Audio is to low to hear.
I’m sorry to hear that. Is a specific post of the audio too low to hear? Or just overall too low?
OH GOD HES TALKING OVER THIS VIDEO TOO????? IM OUT OF HERE...................NOPE!
Look for videos with “NO TALKING” in the title…otherwise I’ll be doing at least a line explanation as to what’s happening. 😎
@@thepedalcollaborativeI like the talking. don't sweat what this other mug says. & thanks for all your thoughtful efforts & great musics in all these vids of yours.
@fallprecauxionsmusic I appreciate you and your encouraging words! This community is meant to encourage each other in our musical journeys!
Different strokes for different folks, so I understand not everyone likes the talking. That’s why I label all the ones without talking as such!
Thanks for being a part of conversation! Wishing you the very best of days!
@@thepedalcollaborative& thank you for your kindly reply here. happy days to one & all!!
& I look forward to more music & demos with helpful verbal breakdowns from here until the end of time.....
@fallprecauxionsmusic appreciate you!!! Peace and joy and love to you my friend!