So a thing that just wasnt known when I made the video, is that the stacks for reavers mark are asynchronous, which means that while it looks like it refreshes, each stack you apply has its own duration (and they seemingly stack higher than 2 and are tracked on the target, except only 2 apply at once) This means there’s a secret ticking timer to the stacks you can’t see This sorta fixes some of the problems with it, but does so in a very strange and weird way.
A few things for Fel Scarred 1 - Increase demonsurge damage by no less than 100% 2 - Increase abyssal gaze damage by no less than 125% 3 - *New interaction* using Abyssal Gaze resets Demonsurge's activations on unique skills
It's almost a joke at this point, how can they honestly say there is a DH dev when almost nothing has been addressed from ANY feedback! I will level my dh but I'm raiding on hunter, so feel free to discuss Hunters sometimes haha!!
@@joshshepherd5734 It's the same as the rogue one right? Wasnt he on like sick leave for quite some time before? Maybe there are something going on there... But they should replace/assist him if that is the case.
Did they fix the buff going away with wounded quarry? It basically remove the reaver's mark... Also why not make empowered attacks a different color to give a feel of empowerements...Like Purple eye beam etc.
As a DH main since legion and raiding CE I must say this, I enjoyed BfA playstyle same I enjoying S3 and S4 DF playstyle and depending on ST or cleave boss you can go back to bfa playable or DF playstyle which is good DH don’t need an Glaive hero talent, idk why they just didn’t do a fucking eyrbeam hero talent, like : When you eyebeam you’re demonic form is increased for 10 seconds, every 3x eyebeams after getting into meta deals 100% more dmg. And capstone would be : Every chaos strike or blade dance have a chance so refund eyebeam cd and then build around that. It’s iconic for DH not that shit Glaive crap like for real. And also make our current Tierset fucking baseline in our class tree for havoc pressing Glaive is the most shit thing to do for real. To play EB and inertia in M+ would fit so well with my conception on eyebeam but ye the dev played shadowlands venthyr dh way to much….
And same talents would like buff inertia for ST and Low mover like, chaos strike blade dance dmg have both a chance to trigger again for low mover and got inertia, inertia buff last 3 secs longer and would apply also from VR. Like a choice note between them both depending you’re playing ST or Cleave btw
And one talent could also be eyebeam or blade dance refound 1 sec of the hunt cd, casting in he hunt the 2nd time the dot is 12 secs, and every time casting again the dot last 10 secs.
@@jangoehring2567 Low mover is actually better at most cleave, inertia is only really better if you have an m+ style boss. But ya I don’t think havoc has good hero trees at all
@VooDooSaurus ye got that, and playing it like this, but as you said the Hero talents are wake, and idk why they make like kinda this hero talent I write would be the best world it 2 the best playstyles they ever made for havoc this from bfa and df and also balancing would be even better then this reaver Glaive shit cause they need to tune so much, would happen they nerv havoc and not reaver Glaive to the ground, and iam scared, cause havoc as a theme and design is with ret pally the best so far. When this comes live that would be my first time quitting wow.
4:11 but you can track them with wa. shattering souls is in a combat log but the best option would be if you have remaining souls on the floor it lets you press reaver's glaive and suck them in
@@VooDooSaurus you cannot track them like vengence's but you can track demonic apetite procs and add them to a counter then substract when you consume. i got wa that does exactly that
Still find it nearly impossible for reaver hero tree to ever be played by any actual Havoc DH raider/key pushers in TWW. It's apparent they designed that tree for vengeance and that's OK.
Aldrachi as a total package isn't very interesting imo. Assuming a tuning pass at some point (which is reasonable, we're still weeks out) I think Fel scarred will be more fun to play. Demon Hunter is already fun, I don't need a hero talent tree to add complexity, we have those options in our spec tree.
@@Flavetheson I still think fel scarred has a bit too many boring passive nodes. But it’s gameplay is not intrusive at all, so it’s better off than reaver is
@@VooDooSaurus The most disappointing part is that, as things currently stand I'll play two different specs and at the moment I only see one viable hero tree and it's not the strong one (again it's too early to complain about tuning imo). DH is extra punished by a bad tree since we only have two to start with. I hope I'm wrong but it sounds like a fotm reroll season.
I played a decent amount of reavers glaive and i can say that collecting soyls is such a non issue if you play the inertia/momentum builds, which are the best dps builds anyway
The current state of dh is the reason I switch to enhancer in tww. More fun and not a fucked up 18 button opener 🤷♂️ hero talents of dh are really not that good
It’s unfortunate I have zero desire to even level my dh at this point My main is almost always warrior since vanilla I’ve rotated dh, enh and ret usually as my main alt Was hoping to run dh Now I’ve got a warrior with terrible visuals and boring hero talents, a dh who is just a dumpster fire Going to have to throw my eggs into the ret/enh basket, which sucks bc i always like to have at least one primary or secondary character i don’t need to micromanage off healing too
@@mongoosemcmongoose2786 I wouldn’t touch enhancement right now. Fury warrior has felt pretty fun, although the more visually impactful tree isn’t the better one
@@VooDooSaurus Sure, but 50% nerfs are never the answer. If you anyone thinks that slicing something so delicate in half then they've completely missed the point. Now i'm not meaning to say that it makes or breaks the class, but more to the point that from a design perspective it's so incredibly far from the mark. And it just shows how bad the design from the get-go is, the talents are.. Well, not good. Both sets. Solid C- tier.
@@moondough1279 i mean it was only an 8% nerf, Havoc is still strong damage wise. It does suck that we dont get any changes, but at this point i dont expect to get any and theres like nothing else we can do, which really fucking sucks
@@VooDooSaurus Sure its 8% on the sims, but in reality its probably going to be more like 4-5%. But im talking about the ability itself getting slashed. Thats getting halved. And its with that i take issue.
So a thing that just wasnt known when I made the video, is that the stacks for reavers mark are asynchronous, which means that while it looks like it refreshes, each stack you apply has its own duration (and they seemingly stack higher than 2 and are tracked on the target, except only 2 apply at once)
This means there’s a secret ticking timer to the stacks you can’t see
This sorta fixes some of the problems with it, but does so in a very strange and weird way.
So it's like Ironfur for bear then, in how each application is its own stack of buf/debuff?
@@matthewtaillon2618 yup
A few things for Fel Scarred
1 - Increase demonsurge damage by no less than 100%
2 - Increase abyssal gaze damage by no less than 125%
3 - *New interaction* using Abyssal Gaze resets Demonsurge's activations on unique skills
It's almost a joke at this point, how can they honestly say there is a DH dev when almost nothing has been addressed from ANY feedback! I will level my dh but I'm raiding on hunter, so feel free to discuss Hunters sometimes haha!!
@@joshshepherd5734 It's the same as the rogue one right? Wasnt he on like sick leave for quite some time before? Maybe there are something going on there...
But they should replace/assist him if that is the case.
Warblade's Hunger should have used Blade Dance, because you're racing around anyway...just pick up shards as you go.
+1
@@john.adcock I don’t think fel blade was a great button to put it on, but ya other stuff would have worked
They messed up dh so bad i mean this time its in another level
Does still DH have double jump and glide?:)
@@imcxrsed666 yup that’s almost certainly never going away
Let's hope this is a sign of things to come in terms of receiving some attention and making some much needed tweaks. I'm trying to stay positive here.
Did they fix the buff going away with wounded quarry? It basically remove the reaver's mark... Also why not make empowered attacks a different color to give a feel of empowerements...Like Purple eye beam etc.
As a DH main since legion and raiding CE I must say this, I enjoyed BfA playstyle same I enjoying S3 and S4 DF playstyle and depending on ST or cleave boss you can go back to bfa playable or DF playstyle which is good DH don’t need an Glaive hero talent, idk why they just didn’t do a fucking eyrbeam hero talent, like : When you eyebeam you’re demonic form is increased for 10 seconds, every 3x eyebeams after getting into meta deals 100% more dmg.
And capstone would be : Every chaos strike or blade dance have a chance so refund eyebeam cd and then build around that. It’s iconic for DH not that shit Glaive crap like for real. And also make our current Tierset fucking baseline in our class tree for havoc pressing Glaive is the most shit thing to do for real. To play EB and inertia in M+ would fit so well with my conception on eyebeam but ye the dev played shadowlands venthyr dh way to much….
And same talents would like buff inertia for ST and Low mover like, chaos strike blade dance dmg have both a chance to trigger again for low mover and got inertia, inertia buff last 3 secs longer and would apply also from VR. Like a choice note between them both depending you’re playing ST or Cleave btw
And one talent could also be eyebeam or blade dance refound 1 sec of the hunt cd, casting in he hunt the 2nd time the dot is 12 secs, and every time casting again the dot last 10 secs.
@@jangoehring2567 Low mover is actually better at most cleave, inertia is only really better if you have an m+ style boss. But ya I don’t think havoc has good hero trees at all
And other note also : Blade dance or chaos strike consume automatic soul fragments, and give you a 10% dr for 3 secs for consume a soul fragment
@VooDooSaurus ye got that, and playing it like this, but as you said the Hero talents are wake, and idk why they make like kinda this hero talent I write would be the best world it 2 the best playstyles they ever made for havoc this from bfa and df and also balancing would be even better then this reaver Glaive shit cause they need to tune so much, would happen they nerv havoc and not reaver Glaive to the ground, and iam scared, cause havoc as a theme and design is with ret pally the best so far. When this comes live that would be my first time quitting wow.
use me for the quitting dh for fdk button until they buff fel-scarred by 50% and remove all mover talents
4:11 but you can track them with wa. shattering souls is in a combat log but the best option would be if you have remaining souls on the floor it lets you press reaver's glaive and suck them in
@@TXY you cannot track them with WA’s, not how many are out
@@VooDooSaurus you cannot track them like vengence's but you can track demonic apetite procs and add them to a counter then substract when you consume. i got wa that does exactly that
@@VooDooSaurus I was about to comment and ask about this. So far it's just vengeance, surprised they didn't add it to havoc with this change.
this is such cancer... very demotivated about playing DH now and in future
Dh is not even worth playing now
Still find it nearly impossible for reaver hero tree to ever be played by any actual Havoc DH raider/key pushers in TWW. It's apparent they designed that tree for vengeance and that's OK.
its going to be played, Fel-scarred is literally worse than some tanks in terms of damage
Aldrachi as a total package isn't very interesting imo. Assuming a tuning pass at some point (which is reasonable, we're still weeks out) I think Fel scarred will be more fun to play. Demon Hunter is already fun, I don't need a hero talent tree to add complexity, we have those options in our spec tree.
@@Flavetheson I still think fel scarred has a bit too many boring passive nodes. But it’s gameplay is not intrusive at all, so it’s better off than reaver is
@@VooDooSaurus The most disappointing part is that, as things currently stand I'll play two different specs and at the moment I only see one viable hero tree and it's not the strong one (again it's too early to complain about tuning imo). DH is extra punished by a bad tree since we only have two to start with. I hope I'm wrong but it sounds like a fotm reroll season.
So excited for my No mover 😌
I played a decent amount of reavers glaive and i can say that collecting soyls is such a non issue if you play the inertia/momentum builds, which are the best dps builds anyway
isnt no mover the better build atm
@@Samy-j9h no, they’re not. in m+ yes but they’re not significantly ahead, in raid they’re very much NOT the best build to play
@@colorbowl2237 not from my experience no
Dh receive no love 💔😢
The current state of dh is the reason I switch to enhancer in tww. More fun and not a fucked up 18 button opener 🤷♂️ hero talents of dh are really not that good
like this shit is going to fucking suck and im going to hate raiding on my havoc but at least we have a way to pull in some souls now
Just fucking buff fel scarred holy shit. ITS THAT EASY.
im thinking they probably will after release at some point
Didnt we get nerfed or
i mention the tuning, but we were legit broken so getting some tuning down is fine, we're still strong damage wise
It’s unfortunate
I have zero desire to even level my dh at this point
My main is almost always warrior since vanilla
I’ve rotated dh, enh and ret usually as my main alt
Was hoping to run dh
Now I’ve got a warrior with terrible visuals and boring hero talents, a dh who is just a dumpster fire
Going to have to throw my eggs into the ret/enh basket, which sucks bc i always like to have at least one primary or secondary character i don’t need to micromanage off healing too
@@mongoosemcmongoose2786 I wouldn’t touch enhancement right now. Fury warrior has felt pretty fun, although the more visually impactful tree isn’t the better one
@@VooDooSaurus i know enh is a mess
I was hoping they’d get fixed
Ele and resto got reworked
Enh got nothing
NOOOO😭
Just a nerf .... Were the only class that goes into TWW being the only class that didnt had reworked talets, visuals and new abilities.... Its sad....
@@poemz87 tbf reaver did deserve a nerf we were vastly over performing, but the trees as a whole are a big letdown
@@VooDooSaurus Sure, but 50% nerfs are never the answer. If you anyone thinks that slicing something so delicate in half then they've completely missed the point. Now i'm not meaning to say that it makes or breaks the class, but more to the point that from a design perspective it's so incredibly far from the mark. And it just shows how bad the design from the get-go is, the talents are.. Well, not good. Both sets. Solid C- tier.
@@moondough1279 i mean it was only an 8% nerf, Havoc is still strong damage wise. It does suck that we dont get any changes, but at this point i dont expect to get any and theres like nothing else we can do, which really fucking sucks
@@VooDooSaurus Sure its 8% on the sims, but in reality its probably going to be more like 4-5%. But im talking about the ability itself getting slashed. Thats getting halved. And its with that i take issue.
My bad i misread it, it is indeed not 50%
Dh is washed in tww
Lol so all nerfs wtf
@@cindywagner49 2 of them are QOL buffs. The nerfs were expected havoc was doing a LOT