Just want to come in and clarify here: Havocs complaints are NOT damage, it’s literally everything else (playstyle, visuals, the difference from last season to this, hero trees, fun factor, etc)
I said it before even s4 thats why i droped dh it was boring asf no good visuals movment build is sht , fell barage should be 30 sec cd and our best aoe spell but nooooo....lets throw glaives and other shit ...fml...dont know wtf to do in tww
@@elsotanodelhorror810 no it’s significantly more than that and no mover probably won’t even end up being the best build after tuning changes. Neither build is fun, like they generally are not enjoyable to play, and both hero talent trees have an insane amount of problems.
@@elsotanodelhorror810 I want. I hate inertia the most in DH talents, hope everything is balanced but tbh i don't care that much about inertia, BFA DH is better.
we already know what the metas will be and we know there will be no changes until blizzard decides when the world first raiders can beat their mythic raids.
This all comes from its core. It was built around artifact weapons and until its rebuilt to stand on its own and gets a complete rework it'll always suffer.... is what it is
I said they were making mistakes 2 years ago and I was right. The movement for damage talents were indicative of incompetence in design and now we are seeing it.
BFA was the best version of Havoc. No idiotic movement for damage, strong, etc. Movement for damage is just idiotic design that appeals to drooling edgelords.
@@scottfree6479 i mean bfa havoc was the epitome of a 3 button low thinking class, if thats what you like you can always swap to warrior or ret. and im not flaming or anything, if playing easier speccs is more fun for you thats perfectly fine. for me, i only played a lil havoc in bfa and started to main it in dragonflight. i just love the extra difficulty that comes from positioning and how to move. thats what makes it stand atop every other specc, funwise, for me.
Are they really tripling down on this throw glaive feverdream? Is there not one person on the developer team that says "Guys, this might be a bad idea" ??
@@mickolsen8823 to be fair it just felt worse and worse ofc no one wanted to play it but when it was new it was good and hat great potential. All that movement. So friendly and forgiving to new players. Gliding around. Good thing i built a mage as havoc and enhancment shaman are bad now.
@@mickolsen8823 Idk man, checking raider io it was the most popular spec throughout BFA, one of the most popular (top 3) throughout Shadowlands and then it started declining badly during DF.
Played Havoc since I started playing WoW in the official servers. This is so, so sad. I actually really wanted to play the class and have fun as I had in times, but I think it's time for a reroll. It's just unplayable and they don't want to do nothing about it!
i think after legion they forgot about all the demons and half-demons, havoc gets such baby changes ifeel like throughout 90% of wows lifespan, cept dragonflight for a bit. Feels like they just gave up on fel-scarred
Hey VooDoo thanks for the video man don't let these design choices creep up on you! I know you are passionate about Havoc, as I am, but there is only so much you can do. At this point Blizzard has probably decided that we are going to play Aldrachi for the entirety of season 1 and that's fine for them. It also pairs well with the tier set. They will just revisit Fel-Scarred at a later stage, perhaps also make a tier set to support it in season2.
I'm still gonna main my dh through thick and thin good and bad probably w fel scared yes I'm a big noob bad at do high dps but I have tons of fun anyway 😊
I would've been interested to play DH in TWW (if it wasn't full of them like in DF's latest seasons), but atm it seems too far gone... and the Hero Talents are soo boring compared to others... Like Rider of the Apocalypse, Templar, Herald of the Sun, and many more... Hell... they didn't even have the decency to make new animations for those Fel-Scarred procced skills... a very lazy job on their end, ngl...
reporting in for the circlejerk, seriously though I relate to your comment about being numb to this shit, I wish Blizz would just come out and say "Every patch we want some classes to be bad and some to be good"
The problem here isn't that DH is good or bad compared to other classes. It's that the gameplay design is worse than what a 3 years old could come up with, nothing works, nothing changes and the playability is nonexistent
I have mained DH since I came back at beginning of BFA, but this season, I'd rather be ignored as a hunter! I will not play that convoluted aldrachi garbage! It's literally every season!
This makes me not wanna play TWW in general, which is really sad. I have no clue what to play either as class.. Otherwise back to twinking in pvp/dungs.. I guess. 😢
@@kelnax ... No, they don't? I mean, I get there is a weird hill people love to die on that enforces that you can only play WoW if you act as miserably as possible about the experience, but saying "most of them still stuck" is just objectively wrong. Roughly 80% of classes and specs are at least marginally better than in Dragonflight and many of them have been reworked and vastly improved. If your favorite class and spec isn't on that list, that sucks, but saying it's ALL terrible is disingenuous and misinformation at best.
This hero talents are ruining the game, look to DH, warrior nerferd cause bladstorm has some interation with hero talents, druid, rogues, Hunters, are all garbage to this point.
@VoodooSauras, it's been a while since the DPS warrior community has had someone dedicated (or even semi-dedicated) on UA-cam. You should pick up the mantle until DH is fixed. Of course, I'm saying this for selfish reasons because warrior is my other main, but still, I'm lazy, watching videos > reading discord / wowhead, so would appreciate someone giving warrior as much attention on YT as you do havoc ... just putting it out there.
Just want to come in and clarify here: Havocs complaints are NOT damage, it’s literally everything else (playstyle, visuals, the difference from last season to this, hero trees, fun factor, etc)
so basically no one wants to play no mover?
I said it before even s4 thats why i droped dh it was boring asf no good visuals movment build is sht , fell barage should be 30 sec cd and our best aoe spell but nooooo....lets throw glaives and other shit ...fml...dont know wtf to do in tww
@@elsotanodelhorror810 no it’s significantly more than that and no mover probably won’t even end up being the best build after tuning changes. Neither build is fun, like they generally are not enjoyable to play, and both hero talent trees have an insane amount of problems.
@@elsotanodelhorror810 I want. I hate inertia the most in DH talents, hope everything is balanced but tbh i don't care that much about inertia, BFA DH is better.
@@renanpoyer i kinda want to play no mover too but i dont know how the damage is compared to the other specs in the game
we already know what the metas will be and we know there will be no changes until blizzard decides when the world first raiders can beat their mythic raids.
I have been on the fence but looks like for the first time since I picked up DH since legion I am going to change classes.
Yeah, i have mained DH since it came out. This is the most real changing has ever felt.
Same here thought of going to tank with him but maybe another class…this is hard
Same mate. Absolute dog devs
Same here! It's a sad day.
I'm just not gonna play. I only wanted to play windwalker or DH and neither look good to me.
That tears it. It's clear whomever is running Havoc just doesn't care about feedback or making serious changes. I'm playing mage.
This all comes from its core. It was built around artifact weapons and until its rebuilt to stand on its own and gets a complete rework it'll always suffer.... is what it is
I said they were making mistakes 2 years ago and I was right. The movement for damage talents were indicative of incompetence in design and now we are seeing it.
Havoc used to be so fun back in Legion/BFA. Sadge.
no, s3/4 DF is bis havoc. BFA was fun if u have room temp IQ tho
@@zenith_journey i was about to comment this. DF has been a blast with havoc im going to miss it.
BFA was the best version of Havoc. No idiotic movement for damage, strong, etc.
Movement for damage is just idiotic design that appeals to drooling edgelords.
@@scottfree6479 i mean bfa havoc was the epitome of a 3 button low thinking class, if thats what you like you can always swap to warrior or ret.
and im not flaming or anything, if playing easier speccs is more fun for you thats perfectly fine.
for me, i only played a lil havoc in bfa and started to main it in dragonflight.
i just love the extra difficulty that comes from positioning and how to move. thats what makes it stand atop every other specc, funwise, for me.
YES!!!! I really hate what blizz did to them
Are they really tripling down on this throw glaive feverdream? Is there not one person on the developer team that says "Guys, this might be a bad idea" ??
how the hell do they not realize they killed one of the most popular specs in the game?
They did not, havoc hasnt been one of the most popular specs since legion - they are killing it tho
@@mickolsen8823 to be fair it just felt worse and worse ofc no one wanted to play it but when it was new it was good and hat great potential. All that movement. So friendly and forgiving to new players. Gliding around. Good thing i built a mage as havoc and enhancment shaman are bad now.
@@mickolsen8823 Idk man, checking raider io it was the most popular spec throughout BFA, one of the most popular (top 3) throughout Shadowlands and then it started declining badly during DF.
@@riiann was havoc popular or is it really vengeance that was giving dh the big boost lol
@@mythiclou80 I said spec, not class. But you can always check for yourself, the data is there
misery loves company, and i appreciate every single one of yall 😅
Played Havoc since I started playing WoW in the official servers. This is so, so sad. I actually really wanted to play the class and have fun as I had in times, but I think it's time for a reroll. It's just unplayable and they don't want to do nothing about it!
i think after legion they forgot about all the demons and half-demons, havoc gets such baby changes ifeel like throughout 90% of wows lifespan, cept dragonflight for a bit. Feels like they just gave up on fel-scarred
Any one who has been beta knows havoc is bottom of the melee barrel.
Hey VooDoo thanks for the video man don't let these design choices creep up on you! I know you are passionate about Havoc, as I am, but there is only so much you can do. At this point Blizzard has probably decided that we are going to play Aldrachi for the entirety of season 1 and that's fine for them. It also pairs well with the tier set. They will just revisit Fel-Scarred at a later stage, perhaps also make a tier set to support it in season2.
I'm still gonna main my dh through thick and thin good and bad probably w fel scared yes I'm a big noob bad at do high dps but I have tons of fun anyway 😊
WORST SPEC IN TWW
@@That_kind_of_orc deserved
I would've been interested to play DH in TWW (if it wasn't full of them like in DF's latest seasons), but atm it seems too far gone... and the Hero Talents are soo boring compared to others... Like Rider of the Apocalypse, Templar, Herald of the Sun, and many more...
Hell... they didn't even have the decency to make new animations for those Fel-Scarred procced skills... a very lazy job on their end, ngl...
This is how I feel about being a prot pally main right now
reporting in for the circlejerk, seriously though I relate to your comment about being numb to this shit, I wish Blizz would just come out and say "Every patch we want some classes to be bad and some to be good"
The problem here isn't that DH is good or bad compared to other classes. It's that the gameplay design is worse than what a 3 years old could come up with, nothing works, nothing changes and the playability is nonexistent
But its not even like that. Some classes like mage are always meta and some like dh are rarely
you know its really bad when voodoo says dh is dead :(
I have mained DH since I came back at beginning of BFA, but this season, I'd rather be ignored as a hunter! I will not play that convoluted aldrachi garbage! It's literally every season!
Tanks were fun to play dragonflight. with these changes like tanks will not want to even play tank class anymore. shits lame
This makes me not wanna play TWW in general, which is really sad. I have no clue what to play either as class.. Otherwise back to twinking in pvp/dungs.. I guess. 😢
What? Lots of cool classes melee or ranged, it doesnt makes sense.
@@Ignan-Randel and yet, most of them still sucks...
@@kelnax ... No, they don't? I mean, I get there is a weird hill people love to die on that enforces that you can only play WoW if you act as miserably as possible about the experience, but saying "most of them still stuck" is just objectively wrong. Roughly 80% of classes and specs are at least marginally better than in Dragonflight and many of them have been reworked and vastly improved. If your favorite class and spec isn't on that list, that sucks, but saying it's ALL terrible is disingenuous and misinformation at best.
If this continue like this, I will go back to my arms warrior...
I keep hoping for fel scarred buffs. Had hope for this build. Hopes gone. I'm a ret paladin main.
This hero talents are ruining the game, look to DH, warrior nerferd cause bladstorm has some interation with hero talents, druid, rogues, Hunters, are all garbage to this point.
Rest in Peace
Fel-Scarred it is...
@VoodooSauras, it's been a while since the DPS warrior community has had someone dedicated (or even semi-dedicated) on UA-cam. You should pick up the mantle until DH is fixed. Of course, I'm saying this for selfish reasons because warrior is my other main, but still, I'm lazy, watching videos > reading discord / wowhead, so would appreciate someone giving warrior as much attention on YT as you do havoc ... just putting it out there.
@@kmdsubs3148 I’m still mulling over what to do for TWW, but warrior is on my shortlist of classes I want to alt
@@VooDooSaurus ret pally!
I was really looking forward to coming back to havoc in tww:( maybe I’ll wait for season 2
So sad. Not to mention I hear the dungeons are not melee friendly. So I'll be on the floor a lot more along with my tank. Lol
I think I will reroll to Evoker at least for the first tier. I cannot see myself being able to play AR and raid lead at the same time.
@@wojciech9001 oh ya that would be incredibly difficult to do
Had to paused the video to bust out with some popcorn!
good I never liked those inertia builds
Im about to have a very sad TWW start...my guild wants me to main DH, and offtank....
so ele is ready for addon , dh goin afk sadge
Dead knight RIP.
Brain dead devs
Bro rogues are doom aswell😢
I hope the momentum build gets turbo buffed and we're effectively at the big brain version of dh when it launched in legion
Frustrating. I will be Havoc for raid, and making the best of it.
Is there another spec as ignored as Havoc?
outlaw rogue
people are saying the rogue hero trees are really bad
Use me as rerolling button
Fury or fdk is the move, but if you pvp it’s just mage rogue lock forever 😢
R.I.P Havoc 1 season [*] (write city names in comments)
LOL～
HAHAHAHAHA
for pve surely, but pvp absolutly not. pvp for the true people
@@user-vw7rv3uh5w I’ve legit not touched pvp in 4 years and don’t intend to so I can’t really comment on it
for the 14 people that still pvp im sure they are happy
wow's pvp is the worst
Dang havoc is my main..