GSG Presents The Top 5 Reasons Why "The New Price is Right" (1994) Failed
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- Get set, America! It's time to count on down the top 5 reasons why "The New Price is Right" did not succeed in syndication in 1994. From aesthetics to format to host to the news of the day, there were many reasons "TNPiR" just didn't click with Americans in the mid-1990s. Robert Q. Seidelman offers his reasons and reasoning behind them in this video.
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The postive thing out of this the theme tune was used across the pond for Bruce Forsyth version on ITV lasted from 1995-2001.
I remember Doug Davidson playing Paul on The Young And the Restless, and playing the role well, which drew me into more than two years of watching the show faithfully. I don't remember The New Price is Right, though - I somehow missed it.
Whenever 3:00 rolls around I still think of TNPIR
Pat Finn's Joker's Wild was pretty good.
Instead of calling this "The NEW Price is Right", they should have called it "The Price is Right Express". The new title could have sold itself.
Oj was also the reason Dawson's return to feud was short lived
The first nighttime show that had Dennis James (and eventually Bob Barker) ran the longest (1972-1980).
1. Robert, I love your show. 2. I liked this incarnation of TPIR, wishing it went longer than one season. 3. I liked the combination of Doug Davidson and Burton Richardson.
Their also a Clip were bob barker mention the 1994 version.
I actually liked TNPiR when I was younger, and for the oddest reason: No losing horns.
There is one
Not as pronounced as the old version. ;)
As a Brit I have to comment that whilst I love Bruce’s Price Is Right and love Bruce Forsyth, I believe he wasn’t the best UK Price host. That would have to go to Leslie Crowther. He made the show his. You could see he got genuinely excited to see a contestant win, even if it wasn’t something of great value. And he had a brilliant energy to him that makes the show a joy to watch
If Drew Carey didn't take the Price Is Right gig, I wonder if Doug Davidson would have made a great host.
Probably could have. IINM, Doug actually auditioned to replace Bob before Drew got the gig. Along with Marc Summers, George Hamilton, Dave Price, Todd Newton, Rosie O'Donnell, and even Mexican host Marco Antonio Regil, among others. (BTW, I heard Rosie's audition was terrible...)
BTW, this version aired at 7:30PM on KTVU in SF, going up against Wheel on KGO.
Next should be The $50,000 Pyramid(1981),followed by the 1991 version of The $100,000 Pyramid(John Davidson was NOT a good host!)
I Agree With You
They Should Kept Dick Clark
Why the 50,000 pyramid?
@Will N It was the first tournament thing for pyramid. It would get weird.
@Will N that's not weird. That was garbage
And Davidson $10,000 Pyramid!!!! We remember seeing it!!!!! ;-)
I saw that it didn't help by the fact that the daytime version consistently threw the show under the bus.
As for each part:
#5 - I kind of feel that, depending on the audience at the time, this is debatable and yet, I can see both ways on the argument. On the one hand, the Barker Beauties are engraved in many minds of kids that they are a bit ancient (not to discriminate) and they needed to radically change. On the other hand, not having some form of familiarity with the game cast wise can throw a bit of disarray.
#4 - This is where I have a specific disagreement with you. As per Plinko, I can agree to the constant changes for it would make anybody confused. However, the new payoff structure of $2.5K - $1K - $0 - $5K - $0 - $5K - $0 - $1K - $2.5K in Plinko I found fun. As for the British format you suggested, that does look like a great idea that they never used, sadly. Price Was Right, however, I feel focused far too much on the commercial format rather than, for example, old prizes from daytime Price. Hell, I wish they used Price Was Right as the new One Bid format for the show.
#3 - I can agree, he seemed like a fair host. And even the skits seem like a wasted potential to introduce some daytime staff members. Hell, Rod did well during his 18 years as announcer and with creative skits and Holly Hallstrom appeared to have a knack for the humor bits and acting within Price. They could have been used, if not for modeling and announcing, at least for skit bits to help humor and brighten the show.
#2 - Focusing on the showcase....idk, I felt that it was exciting to say the least. Again,you may have something with the British format.
#1 - While we can all blame OJ for the mid-ninties game show decline, I feel that Bob Barker also had a bit of spite towards the game itself, as he kinda poked fun and a bit of a tirade against the nighttime format. He seemed more relieved that it left
Wow, I faintly remember watching this version on a local tv station.
both that and family feud bringing back richard dawson vanished by early 1995
I remember the New TPIR oh so well, one good thing came out of it.
Julie Lynn Cialini, who was one of the models and later Playboy's Playmate of the Year.....she was very easy on the eyes to say the least. :-)
That's just about it.
In My Neck Of the Woods it Aired WTKR TV Ch. 3 Local CBS affiliated at 4:00 right after Guiding Light
Lisa Stahl was pretty gorgeous too.
@@bronstet Lisa Stahl was a babe.
@@bronstet Correction: Lisa Stahl is very gorgeous.
@@Timmyk5150 Lisa Stahl is a babe.
What I found ironic with the Price "Was" Right was that it was doing commercials in the 1950's and 60's, around the time when the Original Price is Right aired.
Things I liked about TNPiR:
Doug and Burton as host and announcer, respectively
The set and music were full of pizazz and spiffy and helped the show stand out from the classic format in an excellent way.
Episodes where they didn’t inexplicably try to tape at the same time as the daytime show, allowing the big wheel to be used as the SCSD instead of TPwR.
Things I disliked:
Rule changes which too drastically changed the playing of pricing games.
The Price *_was_* Right as SCSD (where applicable).
Single-player Showcase with a range of $2,000-$10,000 as selected by the contestant, as well as choosing a Showcase via an off-screen envelope choice(?!), and the weird choice to have a giant golden version of the range game with a comically oversized lever to stop it. It kind of reaembled a giant thermometer that had to be stopped once a day and reset to neutral (or something).
Overall, not bad. It also suffered from Bob shitting on it all the time on the daytime show. Finally, I think Burton Richardson was the way to go for an announcer on the daytime show c.2004, after Rod Roddy sadly had been dead for a while at that point. Rich Fields wasn’t as awful as George Gray is, but Burton has way more of a voice for announcing on television. Watch an episode of TNPiR or _Family Feud_ since the 1999-present revival, or T⁴ (To Tell The Truth, that’s how I shorthand it) if you don’t believe me. Rich Fields just seemed a little green at it and he did OK, but it soured the last 3+ years of Bob as host for me, though to be completely fair I found the set change in 2002 or 2003 to those bright pink purple and blue colors on the turntables to be horrendously garish and gauche and it frankly hurt my eyes to look at.
Bob wasn’t only shitting on the TNPIR, but he was shitting his pants.
Also that theme song was for BRUCE'S PRICE IS RIGHT!
Disagree with the models being COMEPLETE unknowns, if you tended to read a certain magazine well known for its "articles" #JulieLynnCialini
The models on TnPIR 94 were runners up in the Barker Beauty search of 1994 in which Gina Lee Nolan won.
The 1994 version of Price aired at 3 p.m. over CBS-owned Channel 2 in Chicago, but didn't really fare well in the ratings, opposite Channel 7's powerhouse daytime lineup. Don't remember the O.J. trial pre-empting it, but it was running on Court TV, drawing viewers away from everything else. The 1985 syndicated version did not air here at all mainly because the network version ran in the afternoons.
Mark Kriski? I"m pretty sure he was on the KTLA Morning News (he was through 1999, at least)- maybe he had a long-term contract with them and realized he couldn't handle both a morning newscast and a nighttime game show- both 5 a week.
To be fair, TNPIR & Family Feud from 1994 both failed for 1 reason & 1 reason only, The O.J. Simpson Trial. You can't change the facts. Cause this is always going to be true.
"The New Price is Right" (1994) with Doug Davidson (The Young and the Restless) has been inducted into the Game Show Garbage Hall of Shame. The O.J. Simpson trial was the biggest reason why "TNPiR" was a massive failure from start to finish.
If it wasnt OJ then what was.
What was strange about this version of Price is Right when it aired on WTLV Channel 12 in my hometown of Jacksonville, FL at 5pm is that Doug's TPIR was scheduled opposite against WJXT's (back when they were affiliated with CBS) local newscast after Oprah Winfrey during the fall 1994 period, because 12 didn’t have a 5:00 newscast until around 1995, just the 5:30 (First News) & 6 o'clock editions
Also, when it was on, didn't Bob pretty much bury it on the daytime show? (Basically giving disclaimers that "this is the real Price is Right and we're not going anywhere") Was there EVER plugs for the syndie versions on the CBS one?
Yes, Bob always called it things like "that OTHER Price is Right," while making a face. He did as much as he could to distance himself and the daytime show from the Davidson debacle. "We'll be here day after day making new shows no matter what happens to that night time Price is Right" was another favorite line of Barker's. I know Barker mentioned the Davidson version as well as Dennis James's version, but I don't know if a specific plug was done. I'd say no.
Kind of unprofessional if you ask me...
+Carlos Aaa Did he mention the Tom Kennedy version?
+James Fabiano You have to realize that was the same year that Bob would fire Diane and the next year fire Holly. Bob was Executive Producer by that point and had been allowed to become almost bigget than the show, not to mention a borderline tyrant. I think he allowed us to get a momentary public glimpse at what he had become through his bashing on TNPIR. I remember losing a lot of respect for him after that because that show had no bearing on his show to begin with. Was he afraid the show would succeed and his show be pushed out? I know on one show he blamed Doug's version for making fans of Bob's show think that Bob had died. All and all he was completely unprofessional, and may have helped in some small part to end TNPIR, but it was more about getting a chance to see what an ass Bob had become by then. You also got to appreciate in a small was what Holly was probably going through with Bob backstage at that point, or was about to go through before her eventual firing.
Never knew about Bob castigating TNPIR, which having seen a few episodes of back in the day, I thought was a bit of a refresh of the old shopworn format. Seeing as how Bob & Doug were both on CBS (through Doug's day job on Y&R), it seems especially crass for him to essentially slam someone who is on the same team as him.
But Burton Richardson was much better........
I considered him Johnny Olson's black counterpart(Burton had a terrific vocal pace!)
they did have him in the daytime version after rod roddy passed away
Personally, Bruce's Price is Right was the perfect half-hour format, but it wasn't the 1st to work exactly that way. Rewind to 1989 and you've got the New Price is Right with Bob Warman on Sky 1. And even before that, the daily episodes of Le Juste Prix did the same from 1988 onwards (without La Vitrine [Showcase], that was on the Sunday finals.). A decade later, they did something similar called Le Grand Voyage (basically a glorified Clock Game) for daily champs.
They still do this with La Vitrine itself on the Vincent Lagaf' version.
Borderline Nintendo hard compared to the UK Showcase rules, but definitely better than Range Game.
and then Joe pasquali
Prijzenslag in Holland (pre-Cash en Carlo) also used that type of Showcase format.
I think part of the problem was also that it was shown in the middle of the frichen night, and only once a week!!! As I recall, it was on at 12:50A.M. on Monday mornings!
+bigfoot060775 This 1994 version was a daily strip. In my market, it ran at 7:30 PM every night until January 1995.
Well, I was living in DC at the time, and they ran it at 6pm every night as well. However, it wasn't on any of the major network-affiliated stations; it ran on WDCA channel 20, which by that time was Paramount-affiliated.
How is the Forsyth 30 min version of the Showcase played? FYI, when Dob was gone, people rumored that the CBS show was going to have a one-player Showcase among other Chicken Little stories. I guess the people at TPIR '94 wanted the instant pricing game plays, but make some compromise where they didn't abandon the Showcase Showdown or the One-Bid (which they combined, until they ran out of commercials so...they brought back the Big Wheel). Otherwise the three one-bids, three pricing games, top winners play the Showcase format of the previous 30 min versions might have sufficed.
Doug wasn't a bad host by any means...when I first saw ads for the new show, from a distance he looked/sounded like Ray Combs. Now that would be an idea...give Ray Price as a compromise for no longer being on Feud. Maybe the next two years of history would have changed...but if the shows remained short-lived for the other reasons...
I like these segments...shows that had a bad reputation but weren't that bad...except for certain flaws. (I think a lot of the TNPIR hate came from the ATGS days when we didn't like anything that bucked tradition. Same thing with Dawson comeback Family Feud. Which I think deserves this kind of top 5, as it wasn't as bad as we once thought, but definitely flawed. Starting with but not limited to what it did to Ray Combs...)
The showcase format for the Forsythe version (as well as many of the European versions) is similar to the pricing game "Card Game", where the contestant is given a range (determined either by a card or a randomizer, depending on the version) in which their bid must be within the range of the ARP of the Showcase WITHOUT GOING OVER.
ATGS?
"TNPiR" went off the air in January, 27th 1995. And according to wikipedia "The New Price Is Right's low ratings contributed to many stations dropping the series within its first three months on the air, including the Chris-Craft owned stations. The New Price Is Right disappeared from most of these stations' markets afterward as there were no stations that were willing to pick up the low-rated series." And what does it MEAN?.
You can't copy an original and think it'll be as good
another reason for TNPIR being cancelled was real simple:
Too much Heavy Competition from the likes of The Nighttime Wheel of Fortune, JEOPARDY!, Entertainment Tonight, Extra, Inside Edition as well as Talk Shows like Oprah, Donahue, Geraldo, Montel, Jerry Springer, Maury, Sally, Ricki Lake among others
Any chance you will do a video of Dawson's 94 feud?
LOL The real problem for TNPIR was the fact it was syndicated. In my market, it was on at after midnight - I believe it was 1:00 a.m. actually. Instant recipe for death because I'm not sure how you get any ratings for that kind of time slot.
It was rather lame.....
Well pity this didn't work out I actually liked the NPIR I'm surprised it only made 16 weeks of episodes and finished in January of 1995 well they could of had the bid first then the one comes up to play a pricing I don't care what people say Doug Davison was wonderful as host he did a great job considering he was a star on the young and the restless and it was his first go a hosting and the models were ok they weren't Dian Janice or holly but I believe there names were Ferrari Lisa and Julie those girls were good and I didn't mind the showcase format at the end it reminds me of the range game if your in that amount you win I'm from Australia ty
The show sucked. Get over it.
@@daffyduckfan4478 mad over an opinion. Dude, god damn
There were many reasons the 1994 Price is Right did not catch on, that much is true. However, to say the #1 reason the show failed is the OJ Simpson trial is just laughable. That's the ##1 excuse people who love this version of the show seem to come up with. I live on the east coast, and it aired at 7pm here, and never once was the show preempted by OJ coverage. Basically, the show was not the daytime Price is Right, which everyone knew and loved (at that time), and because of that, it did not work. OJ Simpson was not and will never be a primary reason why the show did not work.
Of course! Who wanna see "The Young and the Restless" star Doug Davidson filling in TPIR veteran Bob Barker's shoes when we can see O.J. Simpson, Judge Ito, and Kato in court.
You just might have been lucky in that case, and the station that aired the show in your market probably didn't really care about OJ coverage, depending upon general interest from the public in your city or if the show aired on an independent station that had no news outlet. But there was a media frenzy with the trial, and a lot of other shows, syndicated or not, were affected by it as well, so I disagree with the whole thing about that not being the reason for cancellation. Depending on where you live, your city probably isn't a very big market. Just because it didn't happen in your market in particular doesn't mean it didn't happen to many other markets, especially if you're like me and live in one of the top five markets. Besides that, believe it or not, this version of the show has been better received in recent years, even in spite of the format and gameplay changes. This video exemplifies that.
On another note, my market is the 5th largest one in the country and stations here may very well have shafted this version just for trial coverage from the networks, that's to say if it even aired here at all. The same thing happened to Richard Dawson's return to Family Feud this same year.
But everyone's entitled to their own opinion. You have yours and everyone else has theirs.
No. I live in East Orange, NJ and WWOR-TV Channel 9 carried TPIR 94'.
Christopher Howell Well, I meant if the show aired on any network-affiliated stations. From what I'm seeing though, it seems that the show was mostly airing on independent stations, which might have been the case in my market as well.
So that shoots down my argument quite a ways, in which case, I'll admit I'm wrong. but the possibility still resides a little bit. On the other side of that coin, I disregarded the fact that talk shows were crowding the syndication market as well, so that just may shoot down what's left of my argument.
And it's on that note that I apologize if I came across in any way as pompous and condescending, guys. Guess I'm just so eager to the defend the show.
Carlos Aaa I doubt it was OJ that killed the show in my area. I was a freshmen in high school when this show first aired. I grew up in the Columbus, Ohio area and during the summer before the show started they did show the big white bronco chase, and the preliminary hearing. Many people like my mother were upset because it meant that she was missing her soap operas. My mother being sick of missing the Young and the Restless and As the World Turns wrote to the local CBS affiliate WBNS 10tv and asked that they not air the trial anymore. I know my mother wasn't alone in that as many people were writing to the local television stations demanding to air regular daytime tv. After the preliminary hearing they just simply went back to airing regular daytime tv in my area and during commercials the new would cut in for periodic updates on the trial. So the OJ trial had no effect on what killed TNPIR here in the Columbus Ohio area. If I were to wager a guess as to what killed it here in the Columbus, Ohio area it would be the fact that here it aired at 4pm the same time that the Oprah Winfrey show aired on another station.
Price price is right needs an African-American host.✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
Uhhhhhh, no.
@Will N Models are not hosts..... And what’s “guest” hosts are you speaking of¿
This dude cues the _Safecracker_ music on O.J. Simpson. 🤣😅🤣 Figures.
10:06 Is that how the team to OJ Simpson's right side reacted after the verdict was read?
This version just plain SUCKED!!
I know, at least the theme song didn’t. In my opinion.
IMHO, I think Doug Davidson is better than Drew Carey, which isn't saying much, as I think Drew is a yutz.
And what about the super ball in 94 when Doug forgot to give her the super ball
What an idiot.
And meanwhile daytime Price is Right continues on and on and on.. and it's uncertain whether one now would even succeed in nighttime.
Price is Right (1985) Nighttime was crushed by the glut of game shows, but mostly because of the big 2 of Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy.
Ironic because Price is Right (1994) was crushed by a glut of daytime talk shows. I remember around that time there were A LOT of talk shows.
Eddie Mac Like Maury Povich, Jerry Springer, Ricki Lake, Geraldo, Oprah, etc.
I've seen a few episodes of Tom Kennedy's Price Is Right, and it looked like as good as show as its daytime counterpart, and Kennedy was as good as Bob, if not better.
@@eddiemac8804 ricki lake,jenny jones and few others of course maury and jerry springer
You want to see how to do a syndicated version of The Price is Right? Here's how I'D do it!
1: Having Viacom produce AND distribute The Price is Right instead of Paramount Teleivison, since Viacom has an excellent track record with game shows, except for Celebrity Double Dare which sucked the big one. Also have Viacom syndicate it to local tv stations, or directly to USA Network or The Family Channel for their game show blocks. That way, in the event of say "BREAKING NEWS", people who have cable can tune in to those channels.
2: Getting a well-known game show host. In this case, I'd go with David Ruprecht. Reason being, he has experience thanks to Supermarket Sweep, and that alone can make for a big surprise when they open the big doors for him.
3: Completely NEW format of gameplay! Keep the concept of contestants being called to " *COME ON DOWN!!* " and the elimination of contestants row for the three pricing games. However, based on the performance of each contestant, whether or not they won their pricing game (say for instance, two contestants win on Any Number and Clock Game, then a contestant loses on Make Your Mark), this will decide the order for the Showcase Showdown.
4: AN ALL NEW SHOWCASE SHOWDOWN! This time, instead of "The Price WAS Right", throw in The Big Wheel and the two contestants who get nearest to $1.00 without going over move on to the showcase. And speaking of the showcase...
5: AN ALL NEW SHOWCASE ENTIRELY! For this, the top contestant and runner-up will both see a single Showcase containing 4 to 5 prizes (one of which being *A NEW CAR!!!*). Afterwards, the rules for the showcase are as follows.
Both contestants must bid on the showcase in an auction style format, a throw-back to the Bill Cullen era of TPiR. The starting bid for the entire Showcase is $10,000. From there, both contestants will have 30 seconds to place their bids. They can only bid in a range of $50 to $2,000, nothing higher or lower. The bidding will continue until the buzzer goes off, and then, the contestants bids are locked in.
The contestant who's bid is closer to the actual retail price of the entire Showcase, without going over, will win everything. Now, to make this version of the Showcase sweeter, whoever has the winning bid is $250 or less away from the actual retail price will also win $25,000. But if the winning bid is the EXACT price, they win $50,000! (cue the whooping sirens and bells if either one happens) However, the double-overbid rule also applies here.
That is how I would've liked to see The Price is Right in syndication. Keeping the fun of the show, but adding a dramatic bonus round at the end with a LOT of prizes, and money, on the line.
I concur with almost all of it except for the first one, since Viacom was already merging with Paramount at the time, the producers should've stuck with the distributor for the original show (which was All American Television at that time) then lease one of Paramount's stages given The Mountain's poor track record with game shows like Make Me Laugh & Peter Tomarken's Wipeout.
Or...
Syndicated by CBS Television Distribution
*Host*: Drew Carey
*Announcer*: Burton Richardson (George Gray can stick to daytime)
*Models*: Same as daytime, but w/more
*Gameplay*:
No One-Bids. Just 3 PGs (always at least ONE game, maybe 2, or even all 3, played for (a) car(s)), but very high stakes (even 3 Strikes can be played for 6-digit-priced cars).
Top 2 players (or a random drawing if a tie occurs (especially if two or all games are lost (w/the players winning nothing, that is))) compete in the Showcase (each Showcase has at least 5 prizes (at least one always has an expensive car)). Daytime rules apply. Closest without going over wins their Showcase, closest without going over and within $250 of the ARP of their Showcase wins both. However, as an added twist to this version, if, in the very unlikely event, a contestant is on the nose, they not only win both Showcases, but they also win $100,000 cash. Double Overbid: Nobody wins.
Each player is guaranteed parting gifts.
+THE OFFICIAL TBONE2004
Nah, nah.
Host: Drew Carey (I suppose, anyone better than Steve Harvey)
Announcer: Burton Richardson
Models: same from the daytime show
Distributed by: CBS Television Distribution
I would model mine off the Bruce Forsyth version. Four contestants get called down, One-Bid, winner comes up on stage and plays a pricing game. Rinse and repeat two more times. Three winners go onto the Big Wheel, dollar in one spin or combination of two gets $5,000 and a bonus spin (5 or 15 worth $10,000; dollar worth $25K, $50K, or $100K [depending on what number they select off a board, borrowing from Illinois Instant Riches]). Winner of Big Wheel faces off against the Range Board. (Ranges go between $3K-$15K) After they lock in a range, they see their showcase. They then get one bid. If they are within their range without going over, they win the showcase. Get within $250 or less without going over, they win a bonus cash prize of $100,000.
Greg Palmer
Now that sounds like the 1978 episodes of The New Price is Right, and I LIKE that format!
THE OFFICIAL TBONE2004 1978? You mean they actually tried it then?
Some stations opted to run Davidson TPIR on weekends rather than weeknights; examples were WTXF (Philadelphia), KXAS (Dallas), KPNX (Phoenix), KATN (Fairbanks), and I think KIMO (now KYUR, Anchorage).
Here in Atlanta, I read that WXIA aired it weeknights at 7:30, only to get murdered (no pun intended) by Jeopardy! on WAGA -- which was about to switch from CBS to Fox -- and of course, Entertainment Tonight on WSB.
It did air weekends in Philadelphia, but on WTFX (Fox 29), but occasionally when the weekends were full, it would randomly run at noon on the following Monday and Tuesday in place of MASH reruns. Honestly, a direct clone of the weekday edition (in 1/2 hour format) couldn't have done any better in the market in 1994 all things taken into consideration. Viewers didn't so much reject it as they never found it.
Some stations that aired it daily included KTXH in Houston, KENS-TV in San Antonio, KGUN-TV in Tucson and KMIR in Palm Springs.
aDg 2k18 I’m not sure I follow. The show was syndicated, no one was giving them “rights.” In Philadelphia’s case, there was no noon newscast on the station. Match Game 90 was widely preempted, yes, but ABC couldn’t just wave a wand and put that genie back in the bottle.
The new cast? By the time 1994 everybody on the Price is Right were in TV years ..three days older than God. The models on this show were prettier
I wouldn't consider Holly older than god, she was around 40 at that point and still looked great.
I know belong to TVPMM.