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These don't even seem like hot takes: they just seem wrong
that's what hot takes usually are
The second and third one are straight up true. The rest are arguable. Well not the Juubidara being the strongest in the verse. That’s just dumb. He’s never been the strongest in the verse even pre Boruto.
@@JK_of_Today itachi isn't beating them in a 3v1 if they actually use teamwork lmao
they'll overwhelm him and tsunade can literally break through susanoo like she did against madara
genjutsu won't be a big issue either jiraya can literally fight with his eyes closed in sage mode and they can keep releasing each other from it
all 3 have broken summons as well it'll be too much for itachi and his low chakra pool
Jiraya alone would already be a tough match for itachi he's versatile enough to counter everything he does and outlast him
Well, at least the Shihui take has an argument. Because Reanimation regenerates from being absolutely disintegrated so it does stand to reason Shisui possible could spam Koto.
@@senntaiI see what you're saying and I agree that Itachi would lose. But, I also can see where they are making their argument.
1. Itachi literally no difficulty beats Orochimaru.
2. Itachi should be able to beat Jurhiya.
3. Tsunadea should lose as well.
4. Yes, they are teamed up but Itachi's sussanoo has major counters to all of them.
5. Tsukuyomi is instantaneous so they wouldn't be able to break out and will eliminate them from the battle.
6. Maybe amateratsu will do something.
Again, I do think that Itachi would lose against all 3 at once but I can understand why they make those statements.
You didn't stumble across hot takes, you stumbled across an engagement farm. You did the right thing not tagging the creator.
Yeah and what do you think this guy does… what do you think all content creators do… they all just want engagement.
@hectorsaucedo8640 I'm not going to explain to you the difference between bait / shit posts and legitimate content.
But you're right, content creators do want people to engage. As somebody who consumes that content, I have the right to point out when I feel it's disingenuous.
@@zenketski Every single one of those takes were genuinely debatable. Well except the Madara being the strongest in the verse. That’s just objectively wrong. It wasn’t a bait.
Don't you think that's kinda hypocritical? "I'm not gonna tag this engagement baiter but I'm still gonna use his content to make money". Just ignore the content if you care about integrity that much
they didn't "do the right thing" there isn't a right thing, it is a legitimate strategy, they just didn't fall for it
Honestly jiraiya fighting pain with intel would be SUCH a good fight, not even saying one would easily win over the other, it would just be such an awesome brawl
No it wouldn’t. Jiraiya couldn’t handle all the paths at one time.
Only sannin that could would be orochimaru with his arms.
jiyara is stated to be equal to orochimaru@@ralphtime
@@NoahRoss-yn2hwhe has never been stated to be equal to orochimara ..when ever they fought against each other it was always 2v1 as in jiraiya and tsunade vs orochimaru
@@NACentDSTMJiraya was poisoned the entire fight and Tsunade was spanked by Kabuto, vs Orochimaru in perfect condition, he could do jutsu If Kabuto move his hand, and he wasn't weaked by Poison or Tsunade attacks in her nerves, he could made a stronger kick than Tsunade in that moment and he didn't Win somehow.
@@faustao7854orochimaru is the strongest sanin dude
Nagato is so underrated
Bro forgot that Nagato was introduced to the series by defeating Hanzo, the guy who stalemated the 3 sanin at the same time.
Tf do you mean? he's one of the most popular naruto villains
@donovan4222 yeah but hanzo was also weaker than in the 2nd war
@@donovan4222you mean a old man going vs a kid with the rinnegan sure
@@spacekageOffical Jiraiya literally did not believe he could be defeated
so Itachi didn't make Orochimaru look like a weak kid when he tried to steal the eye
Right😭 The itachi take isn’t bad at all. We know for a fact the he can one shot ororchimaru
Everytime Itachi comes into contact with Snake boyos he either one shots them or makes them look pathetic. Every time he came into contact with Orochimaru he one shot him either with Genjutsu or the Totsuka Blade, and for Kabuto he one shot bro with Izanami.
Both times these happened Itachi was either a Teen or literally dying.
Orochimaru is consistently a non factor to him even at his weakest
@@xvoidxhunter2129and orochimaru is quite literally confirmed to be equal to jiraiya
@@sladew9788 I mean whether you think Orochi is stronger or equal isnt gonna change the fact Itachi No Diffed Orochi both times he saw him at times when he wasnt even close to prime.
@@xvoidxhunter2129 yep, I got that. What I meant was that, orochi and jiraiya are both mentioned to be on the same level. And orochi got no diffed immediately (1 time by a 13 y.o. itachi and other time by a 'one foot in grave' blind itachi). People saying prime/healthy itachi won't stand a chance against the 3 of them is a massive stretch. Especially with how easily he wrapped uo orochimaru twice.
My dude said the sannin would beat nagato. Imagine
People forget that when pain attacked the leaf he was just trying to lure out Naruto and the nine tails to capture it lol
According to the context of that episode, Jiraiya could actually defeat all of Pains if he knew in advance that Pain had 6 entities, and all 6 entities were affected by genjutsu. Of course, in the same context, Pain must not have known about Jiraiya in advance. In a match where both have the same given conditions, it is obvious that Pain always wins against Jiraiya
@@scorpionor9865no he couldn't. Naruto had the exact same power as jiraya but better(perfect sagemode) with info and still couldn't defeat pain. Jiraya spent 90% of the fight running from pain. N still got killed by 6 of them
@EmmanuelGbiaye This and to add to what you're saying pain wasn't even at full power and he still whooped Naruto 😂
@@EmmanuelGbiaye as I said, he could in the context of that episode. He couldn’t in other conditions.
The itachi one kinda makes sense considering what that man did to orochimaru.
No it doesn’t
@TheWanderer1776. mabye it does, mabye it doesn't. We can't really say for sure.
@@jafferaxtras8061 i think the defining factor is do we get them chronologically or all in their prime. yk?
@nonameabsolute9821 Chronologically speaking, itachi can win due to the sanin's activities and habits just not being good for their performance.
If we have prime, then the chances of itachi winning are still there since logically, if we have the sanin in their prime, we should also put itachi in his prime, so he should have pretty good odds either way.
Using the logic many people use to justify Itachi being massivly more powerful than the Sanin would also lead us to Zabusa being far stronger than kakashi as Kakashi was toast ones Zabusa got him into his water prison.
Madara didn’t know kamui until he had that eye. That jutsu was specific to obitos eyes
Yea and also he use long range eye close range
It's hard to tell what was going on there. He had only one eye but both abilities. At that point he could've as well start spamming every known MS ability and no one would question it even more
@@nihili4196he didn’t have both abilities. The long range kamui let’s you control the distance, so it can also be close.
@@blazingexil4003he definitely used it like obito eye
@@KALICOE read my comment again
These should have been called "takes that I would say so we have an intellectual conversation on what actually happened"
"Healthy itachi lands right around nagato in terms of power" 😂😂😂
Healthy itachi was never a thing which is what actually kills me😂😂😂 the last time he was healthy was when he was 13 and awakened his MS which he didn’t even master or use how he did once he became sick😂 and that 13 year couldn’t even solo the Uchiha clan alone so to say he’s on par with the guy that one shotted the village and fought the strongest guy in the village and was winning😭 like if Nagato just had to kill Sage Naruto and blow up the leaf instead of capturing him for the Kyuubi lmfao he would’ve packed up that whole shit in like 5 mins and leave😂
@@NarutosRasengan5so basically you're using False Equivalencies to make a terrible argument. In what world does it make sense to compare a character at their weakest and Inexperienced to someone else at their most experienced and strongest.
@@kaimobley5324no false equivalence, itachi wasnt that strong. He wasnt obito or pains level of strong, the same pain who destroyed an entire village by himself. Stop the itachi glazing
For the second. Pain wasnt going all out and had to be careful as he didn't want to harm his village. Had he went all out he'd have ended Jiraiya without much of a problem. Itachi very possibly could beat all 3 Sannin at once.
Thank u
Not even close
@@SosukeAizen7594. Not even close for who? Itachi or the Sannin?
@@SosukeAizen7594.Itachi is relative in speed to kcm 1 Naruto who outsped the Raikage who was the fastest ninja alive at the time. Edo tensei nerfs one's base stats from when they were alive, so alive Itachi would be even faster. The sanin are nowhere near the speed of the Raikage.
Tsunade is the only member of the sanin who has a chance to break through a susanoo with her brute force, but she's probably the slowest of the sanin. Even with her byakugo seal, the hundred healings wouldn't save her against Amaterasu, Itachi's genjutsu or the totska blade. Even base mangekyou genjutsu is so strong that you can't break yourself out of it, let alone Tsukoyomi which takes place in the span of the smallest fraction of a second, according to the Itachi novels. Then Amaterasu would keep roasting Tsunade until her healing ran out if she does get hit by it.
Then we have Jiraya, in character Itachi wouldn't let him enter sage mode, but I'll cover sage mode Jiraya anyway. Jiraya is also way too slow to react to Itachi, he is a more versatile Shinobi, but he has nothing that can break through Itachi's susanoo, especially with the yata mirror. Itachi, being the genjutsu goat, would know when someone else is trying to use one against him. Not to mention, mangekyou sharingan gives the owner a passive genjutsu resistance and you can break free from non mangekyou genjutsu by yourself if you know you're in one. Then frog song is a sound attack, so it moves at Mach speed but Itachi is ftl so he could just get out of range. Itachi also is the single most creative person with genjutsu and can affect someone without them even knowing. Jiraya's toads are just big targets for Itachi, bam totska blade. So Jiraya has no means of dealing with sick Itachi, let alone healthy Itachi.
Now for Orochimaru. Jiraya Said himself he has never beaten him, and Itachi blitzed and one shot Orochimaru on two separate occasions, one as a 14 year old with a regular mangekyou sharingan genjutsu, the other while fucking blind and literally dying. Orochimaru was in his pseudo sage mode so his stats were also increased and he still got no diff'd.
Itachi is way too fast and has too much hax for the Sanin to have any hope of beating him. Itachi and Minato are the only two people in the verse who take every fight seriously and Itachi has one of the highest combat iq in the verse, like at least top 3. Itachi doesn't fuck around and always immediately goes for the win. The exception was against Sasuke because he was trying to pull Orochimaru out of Sasuke's body and obviously wanted Sasuke to kill him.
So yeah, love the sanin but they get clapped by Itachi
@@Pein718 itachi is no where close to Naruto speed idk why yall think Naruto was fight at his full speed he was trying to talking to itachi not beat him up itachi is much weaker when he alive bro had stage 4 cancer got no stamina he going blind as a edo he has more stamina and basically a ems
Itachi is not putting tsunade under no genjutsu nor is he hitting her with that fodder Totska blade her charka level are way to high for that not mention her salmon can easy break her out and again hitting her with a genjutsu must less tsukoyomi which would take its toll on his eyes
Jiraya was reacting to multiple pain he would easy be able to react to itachi jiraya was capable of entering sage mode even when pain was throwing multiple summons at him itachi susanoo doesn’t even have legs jiraya can use the great mud swamp like he did with orochimaru and sink itachi 😭😭😭 itachi being the goat man please that only for visible genjutsu not sound bass we see itachi get hit with a sound beds genjutsu before and he couldn’t break out it without sasuke help so would definitely work on him and again that Totska is fodder it only hit people that couldn’t even move tolds are not slow they can easily dodge it the Totska only hit none moving targets it’s not hitting any one of jiraya
That as statement was from years ago into that past that means nothing people can he stronger over year novels from part of Naruto all point to jiraya being the strongest in part one thanks to him having higher stats and again your using a orochimaru from years ago put not the orochimaru from right now who absorbed kabuto the same kabuto that was 1v2 itach and sasuke
orochimaru right now especially in Boruto is more then enough for itachi have kabuto sage all the sound 5 abilities + sasuke team abilities to go along with it tsunade scale’s higher then sage mode Naruto and war ark to scale above the 3 rakage jiraya all ready have statements being above itachi also fight pain with out any Intel even pain said jiraya could have beaten him if he knew his secret from that start
Itachi has not good feats that scales him above any of the 3 of them much less all of them his best fight was against sasuke he only said to be above ms sasuke which doesn’t put him above the sannin the Naruto fight is fodder Naruto and bee wasn’t using there full power that kabuto fight he need help he would of lost twice without sasuke
I feel like Shisui’s Koto was way more powerful with him. There’s no way it took him 10 years or even 20 years to recharge it. How would he even know he had it or be famous for using it? Yes the other eye could have been a shorter cooldown Koto but it’s so weak, any sensory ninja could detect it. We know abilities are weaker if they don’t come from the original user so it’s likely Shisui could spam Koto or at least have a much shorter recharge time.
He wasn’t really famous for that. None of the Kage even knew who he was, Ao had to explain it because he had fought Shisui.
He was more well known for mastering Body Flicker at a young age.
Well he was more known for the body flicker,but the answer to your question is… His second sharingan with kotoamatsukami :)))))
It’s just your feeling, not a fact.
Ofc Shisui is op, but not that op xD
It's definitely takes 10 years for koto to be used even for shisui. Shisui used koto in the 3rd war. And had his other eye stolen from him by danzo. The eye that was granted to itachi was, then, only used 10 years after the events (because the 3rd war happened before naruto's birth, while the eye was used in naruto's 16th birthday year. And naruto was about 7 y.o. when the Uchiha massacre happened, which is a year after shisui's death)
@@thecyberrabbit1440I think every Kage knew who he was, Alongside Itachi😅
The f**king “uuugh….GOD EXISTS” is too funny I can see some mf doing that irl “look the strongest man in the world” “you know GOD EXISTS RIGHT?!” 😂😂😂
God isn’t a man though 🤨
Juubidara didn’t master Kamui, he was an extremely non proficient user of left eye Kamui, right eye which Obito had is the one that makes him invincible. Also Shisui was never stated to have the Koto cooldown, only the crow and danzou did
Agreed about Shisui, and EVEN IF he indeed have a cooldown, Kabuto can easily destroy his eye balls so he can regenerate a brand new pair of eyes and do it again. 😂
Yeah he didn't master it like he can use every sharingan ability in the show with only his eyes? He specifically took Obito's eye from Kakashi so he could use it, he just seems know how to use the sharingan so well that it doesn't matter who's eye it is, he can use it's ability. But he still needed Kakashi's eye (so Obito's eye).
@@grimreaper15 he just knew the basics of the ability and had seen it used multiple times
@@titantrainer592 yep basically, and has a lot of experience using the Sharingan can't hurt either with being able to tap into its ability so quickly.
Naruto was always supposed to be the sensory ninja for team 7 he just didn’t get any sensory skills until he learned sage mode
And team 7 stopped being a thing LONG before Naruto learned Sage Mode so it wasn’t like he had a team 7 to actually be of use to…
The Itachi take isn’t that bad. Remembering that he one shot Orochimaru in his strongest form with the Totsuka blade. It’s his hax that sets him apart from the majority of the verse. Tsukuyomi is easily one of the most broken Genjutsu abilities is the series. The fact that he controls space time means he can deal with any of them one on one pretty much instantaneously.
Don't forget Physical Mass as well
It's cannon that Itachi said that if they fought they both would die he not taking all 3 one of them broke Madaras sussano. He would put up a fight but would be good for him at all
@@illicitburn9386 where does it ever show Itachi saying if he fought all 3 Sanin he would die
@@illicitburn9386 Itachi didn't want to fight Jiraiya because he was always an ally of the hidden leaf. He was actively trying to protect Naruto so he said that so Kisame wouldn't try and fight Jiraiya.
I used to make that mistake too because it's said at a time when you think Itachi is evil. But actually it's very obvious that Itachi was just trying to prevent the fight from happening.
Once you consider the matchup without the statement, Itachi deals with Jiraiya alone pretty easily. Like I said, his hax abilities are too OP.
@@kaimobley5324 it was just jiraiya and kisame was talking about just fighting him kisame says he wouldn't be able to win and Itachi said if we did fight we both would die
I love how he said god exists 🤣🤣so true though so true
The god in Naruto exists in Naruto, yes.
Jubidara did not have and master Kamui. He stole it and used it once, to get his rinnegan and then immediately discarded it. What the person in question means is, if Obito used Kamui like he had been while the 10 tails Jinchuriki he'd have been stronger than Jubidara. That's also not true but he would have been harder to beat than Jubi Madara. Even if he was weaker than him.
Shinra Tensei/almighty push should obliterate obito. Obito can only phase through physical attacks. Shinra tensei is just repulsive force. We have seen obito intangiblity cannot counter gravitational force so almighty push should work against him.
Almighty push is a force like gravity.
@@itsoblivion8124I'm not sure if push/pull would work on obito because there is nothing to push/pull. However, chibaku tensei (at least the core) should work, since it has its own gravitational force.
The Itachi one is the only one that is really debatable. It's implied in the databooks and the series itself that Orochimaru is the strongest of the three Sannin. 13 year old Itachi one shot prime Orochimaru with 1 kunai and his base sharingan. He beat him so bad that Orochimaru would rather fight the third Hokage for Sasuke than to go after Itachi again.
This! People see the Jaraiya vs Pain fight and say Itachi can’t beat him when he literally froze Orochimaru at age 13, when the two sannin were equals. Plus Jaraiya seems far less likely to escape genjutsu
@shawngallagher8764 all sannin can escape that or they wouldn't be a threat orochimaru was bouta break his that's why he cut his arms off also orochimaru reaper death seal him then what 😂
@@KALICOE I don't think you understand how much of a low diff it was for Itachi. Orochimaru had to cut his whole hand off, Kabuto had to jump in and was shaking, Itachi only used based sharingan genjutsu, and Orochimaru went from confident in soloing the Akatsuki to too scared to ever get near them again. He also decided to fight 2 fucking Kage, the whole leaf village, and the other 2 Sannin just to get Sasuke. He did years of planning and training for Sasuke just so he could fight Itachi again. He didn't even see the Susano'o or any MS ability, he was that scared of base sharingan, 13 year old Itachi.
Itachi will win. He states that Itachi is on the power level of nagato. But brains beats brawns when it comes to battle strategy. And itachi was a genius
Yall have to stop confusing edo itachi with healthy itachi edo itachi could only keep up with nago becuase of infinite Chakra and stamina a healthy itachi isn't spamming susano or amaterasu
Healthy itachi is nowhere near nagatos level 😂
And healthy Nagato is far beyond healthy Itachi.
Truth!
Naa against each other nagato to might win but itachi was equipped for anybody that don’t have a 100% resistance against genjutsu
@@ralphtime Edo Itachi wreaked havoc on Edo Nagato without the use of any genjutsu, just raw speed and power. Edo Nagato was a lot stronger than kyuubi cloak Naruto and Killer Bee combined. Sage mode Naruto alone was almost strong enough to take out living Nagato with the 6 paths of pain, implying that this Nagato was the strongest we've ever seen (even though he was technically being controlled by Kabuto). Itachi was stronger than this version of Nagato by a large margin. I'm saying this as a non-Itachi fan btw.
Healthy itachi no diffed nagato as an edo, he def at least gives nagato high diff in the fight
Someone clip that bit where he said "um... God exists" lmao
itachi in his sick days can pull the 3vs1 of ngl the sanins are frauds xD
I sometimes hate the term 'hot take' because people use it to lampshade their uniformed opinion.
Nagato legit has physical contact with the spiritual realm broken ass feat.
One eye jubidara was close to haguromo (powered by pure lands) lv so 3 eyes jubidara was stronger, it's just that kishimoto have tendency to one punch characters by plot, (kiba,neji, kaguya, kakuzu etc)
no you got it all wrong at the time madara was the closest to hagoromo because everyone was weak so the power gap between hagoromo and madara is a huge diffrence hagoromo still stomps 3 eyed juubidara
@@Nigga2155 cope no jutsu hagoromo said that 1 eye juubidara pre god tree was getting close to himethen madara procede to gain 3 extra significient amps so his final form stomps hagoromo
What people don’t realize is a Itachi was a spy he only wanted to protect the village and was still working for hiruzen. He spared Kurenai, asuma and kakashi. And he disengaged Jiraiya. He was always stronger than Jiraiya. He was always stronger than orochimaru, he even made orochimaru leave the organization and got rid of sasuke’s curse mark, he defeated orochimaru twice with a one shot, he one shot deidara. He one shot nagato & defeated Kabuto (with assistance) He was keeping up with kcm Naruto in taijutsu. He was revived and was fighting on par with EMS Sasuke, that should tell you something. High difficulty and with some prep time Itachi could maybe pull a W against all 3 sanin. That’s a very hard take though.
Actually..... yeah. Obito lost his ability to use Kamui once he absorbed the 10 Tails but Madara could use it, probably because he also had senjutsu
Both of them had senjutsu, after absorbing the ten-tails, madara was able to master it because of dumb writing.
@victorn2555 I don't think he did. A common misinterpretation of Senjutsu is, if you're just using Nature Energy, then its Senjutsu. This is not true. Senjutsu requires one to mix Nature Energy with Physical Energy and Spiritual Energy in a perfect balance to employ Senjutsu. As a Jinchūriki, Obito was relying exclusively on Nature Energy for his attacks, not mixing it with his own Physical or Spiritual Energy. That's why he didn't have Senjutsu
@@Netherwolf6100 No if you absorb the Ten Tails you get Six Paths Senjutsu. That's what Obito was using, wether consciously or subconsciously. But it was still senjutsu
It was because plot
Shinra Tensei/almighty push should obliterate obito. Obito can only phase through physical attacks. Shinra tensei is just repulsive force. We have seen obito intangiblity cannot counter gravitational force so almighty push should work against him.
Almighty push is a force like gravity.
Fair point for not tagging the creator
I like jiraya but he is getting murked by Pain regardless if he has intel on Pain or not.
If Naruto had a contract with Katsuyu, how much could he summon of it at the different points in the show?
and what if KUSHINA had a caontract with her? like' we know her chakra reserve is far larger than naruto's AND she had all of kurama sealed inside her
during the war arc he definitely could've summoned all of her if tsunade and sakura summoned 1/3 and he was stated to have up to 10 times the amount of chakra going to every shinobi there.
@@ScorpionRevengeNCG yeah I agree though, I don’t think it’d be a matter of he could summon 100%, it’d be when? What’s the earliest point he could do it?
I think he could during the pain arc, but probably only if he used sage mode
@@danbar97 yeah sage mode is definitely like a huge boost to his chakra reserves but maybe even as far back as trying to save gaara like if he's really mad and upset and has a seal with katsuyu i think he might've been able to pull it off.
NC Hammer vs Swagkage, when?
NC hammer isn't a debater and he certainly isn't a scaler. Swag would demolish him. I could see swag even playing devil's advocate in some takes and still winning. Swag just has far too much experience with the likes of Six and Seth and some of the top tier debaters. Not to mention he's been in the community a lot longer than NC Hammer so it wouldn't really be a fair match up
@@adamdonovan7269 unfortunately you're probably correct, I might agree with NC on some stuff more but yeah at the end of the day Swag sits atop his Madara shaped throne.
I love how the answer to "Juubidara is the strongest" is just "God exists"😂
controversial take: danzo saved the world
Based take
I hate Danzo for killing the messenger toad
@@2-bit567he tried to save the world and save the akatsuki from getting the nine tails
@@zarz3049 The leaf got flattened
@@zarz3049if obito got shisui's eye then it would've been ggs
I actually agree with the itachi take.
He should be much faster than any of them and he has multiple one shot techniques.
Jiraya only took out 3 paths of pain because the strongest path wasn’t there and he had time to go into sage mode which he shouldn’t against itachi. Healthy alive itachi should also be much stronger than the six paths of pain.
sage mode and toads + orchimarus forbidden justu and tsunade 100 healings. itachi doesnt stand a chance
@@zarz3049 Jiraya wouldn’t have time to go into sage mode. Orochimaru already got beaten twice by itachi(both times itachi was not healthy or in his prime). Tsunade is too slow and will be easily hit by a genjutsu or the totsuka blade.
@@biasedpotato8511 jiraiya doesnt need that much time he can have the toads on his shoulders, orchimaru can summon reanimated shinobi tsunade got hit by madaras blade and regenrated itachi stands no chance
@@zarz3049 I’m assuming reanimations aren’t included in this debate because unless specified, it is almost always talked about without reanimations. It also kind of gets rid of the point of the sanin vs itachi. But yes, if Orochimaru is included with reanimation jutsu then they win. He can reanimate Minato who would solo itachi.
I don’t know if you know this but the totsuka blade seals people away so one hit with it is all he needs to put any of them down. Tsunade can’t regenerate from getting sealed.
@@zarz3049Itachi is relative in speed to kcm 1 Naruto who outsped the Raikage who was the fastest ninja alive at the time. Edo tensei nerfs one's base stats from when they were alive, so alive Itachi would be even faster. The sanin are nowhere near the speed of the Raikage.
Tsunade is the only member of the sanin who has a chance to break through a susanoo with her brute force, but she's probably the slowest of the sanin. Even with her byakugo seal, the hundred healings wouldn't save her against Amaterasu, Itachi's genjutsu or the totska blade. Even base mangekyou genjutsu is so strong that you can't break yourself out of it, let alone Tsukoyomi which takes place in the span of the smallest fraction of a second, according to the Itachi novels. Then Amaterasu would keep roasting Tsunade until her healing ran out if she does get hit by it.
Then we have Jiraya, in character Itachi wouldn't let him enter sage mode, but I'll cover sage mode Jiraya anyway. Jiraya is also way too slow to react to Itachi, he is a more versatile Shinobi, but he has nothing that can break through Itachi's susanoo, especially with the yata mirror. Itachi, being the genjutsu goat, would know when someone else is trying to use one against him. Not to mention, mangekyou sharingan gives the owner a passive genjutsu resistance and you can break free from non mangekyou genjutsu by yourself if you know you're in one. Then frog song is a sound attack, so it moves at Mach speed but Itachi is ftl so he could just get out of range. Itachi also is the single most creative person with genjutsu and can affect someone without them even knowing. Jiraya's toads are just big targets for Itachi, bam totska blade. So Jiraya has no means of dealing with sick Itachi, let alone healthy Itachi.
Now for Orochimaru. Jiraya Said himself he has never beaten him, and Itachi blitzed and one shot Orochimaru on two separate occasions, one as a 14 year old with a regular mangekyou sharingan genjutsu, the other while fucking blind and literally dying. Orochimaru was in his pseudo sage mode so his stats were also increased and he still got no diff'd.
Itachi is way too fast and has too much hax for the Sanin to have any hope of beating him. Itachi and Minato are the only two people in the verse who take every fight seriously and Itachi has one of the highest combat iq in the verse, like at least top 3. Itachi doesn't fuck around and always immediately goes for the win. The exception was against Sasuke because he was trying to pull Orochimaru out of Sasuke's body and obviously wanted Sasuke to kill him.
So yeah, love the sanin but they get clapped by Itachi
I think jiraya with intel either simply wouldn’t fight pain or still loses
That last one is also suspect depending on which Juubidara we're talking about. The version that fought Gai certainly isn't, since as soon as he finished regenerating from Night Gai, Naruto literally one shot him w/o the chakra cloak.
he was still healing and he didnt one shot him stop the cap
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Madara: is it because I'm still healing? No, he is just that much stronger
God tree literally telling madara to gobble him or he dies to Naruto
Btw I'm saying 1 rinnegan juubidara slaps kami juubito
I always wonder what exactly Shisui’s time limit is for Koto. Like what exactly is it recharging? Chakra? If it’s just chakra, Itachi could have given the eye to Naruto and he could recharge it pretty fast with all his chakra. Someone with lots of chakra would be able to spam Koto if that were the case. Is just a random stipulation so they couldn’t reuse Koto? Probably.
Probably the later. I always thought of Koto as a much weaker form of Izanagi. Izanagi just permanently blinds the eye, I figured that Koto blinds the eye for a while and once it regenerated you could use it again. I don't think it has anything to do with chakra since doujutsu use the users chakra, the chakra isn't stored in the eye, so it makes no sense that the cooldown is tied to the eyeball rather than the user.
In manga that crow/raven with Koto, after using it, his eye turned from Mangekyo to 3-Tomoe Sharingan. Probably it doesn't make the user blind.
@@EskChan19dont you mean izanagi? Izanami kills you and takes an eye for REALITY changing capabilities(danzo and sasuke), while izanagi is the one that changes the mindstate (kabuto and itachi)
@@xenothekami888 Nope, you've got that backwards, Izanagi is the OP god mode for a minute and Izanami is the time loop genjutsu
@@thomasthecoolkid7228 no you misunderstood what i said, you have reality changing powers, it “kills” you and gives you a free get out of jail card, in the form of taking a sharingan, & that “time loop” is exactly what i was talking about, its part of izanami’s ability, basically a more potent kotoamatsukami that basically warps perception, loops them, until the correct action is made, otherwise they will be there forever, at the cost of a sharingan 😐 idc if i got the names wrong i still proved my point that its strong asf
I always laugh when people say a Naruto character can't beat a Naruto character. Anyone can beat anyone (with the exception of legit gods and edo tensei) it's just a matter of how they do it.
That reminds me of a Stan Lee quote on which superhero beats who. Basically says the answer is whoever the writer says it is. If he wants Hulk to beat Superman or Superman to beat the Hulk then that's what happens that comic.
@@kyuubinaruto17 And if they want a normal human with no powers or gadgets to beat Darkseid without any asspulls of "THIS CHARACTER WITHOUT POWERS ACTUALLY HAS LUCK POWERS" or any shit like that?
@@thomasthecoolkid7228 Then they wouldn't write it in the first place. The quote was about people wanting a definitive answer for x vs y superhero, when it's really up to the writer. And it's up to them to make it work.
@@kyuubinaruto17Stan Lee also explains and says in that same video I watched too, don’t suck the fun out of it, apart of the fandom is having these peaceful debates with one another and discussing the characters together, who do you think would win and why??
I mean comparison without any trace of plot hole. An author show can boar winning against lion but that wouldn't be possible without plot hole
Jiraya wouldn’t even be there by himself if he had Intel, the whole reason he went there was to get Intel 😂
Bro healthy Itachi can't be put in these simples comparisons because he has too many hacks. Imagine this guy spamming Amaterasu, Susanoo (wtih that special blade and shield) AND Tsukuyomi, like how Sasuke spammed Amaterasu and Obito spammed Kamui. Not to mention he has one charge of Kotoamatsukami. Now elaborate to me why Tsunade and Orochimaru won't both be put in a Tsukuyomi in the first second, and then tell me how Jiraya counters both Susanoo and Amaterasu at the same time.
Exactly. Then we really just have to think about it. Amaterasu ruins Tsunade's whole purpose entirely as she can't heal fast enough to counter and it would rapidly use up her chakra just to potentially stay neutral. Ultimately making her revert to being old and a useless liability. Jiraiya is done with Totsuka Blade easily and Orochimaru gets obliterated with Tsukuyomi.
The summons get fucked up with regular Genjutsu as is and Jiraiya could try and seal Amaterasu like he did before if it gets on him or someone else but that's more then likely not happening during the fight especially if it's on himself. This is all without factoring in Kotomatsukami and him more than likely having Izanagi (bcus with the flash back it confirms it's not a Jutsu restricted to certain people) as he is well aware of the Jutsu and how it works
Obito spammed kamui cauee he had Hashirama cells, and sasuke spammed amaterasu only after getting EMS. He was constantly/quickly losing vision prior to that. “Healthy itachi” does not mean he is exempt to spam his abilities like them.
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You posses a Shield that can block EVERYTHING and a Sword that with one pierce will put your enemy in a drunkin stupor for the rest of eternity... Nobody and nothing is competing with Itachi.
So let me get this straight, orochimaru is going to stand there and let him tsukyomi his ass even though he now has hashirama cells? He's not going to just use his reincarnation jutsu to bring the 4 hokages? Itachi couldn't kill orochimaru, and with the other two he somehow stands a chance?
I don't think Itachi even necessarily stomps Orochimaru with proper intel, the confrontation we're shown where Itachi one shots him is a) only in the anime iirc so the manga canon of Orochimaru's loss is more ambiguous so the matchup could be more complicated or interesting if fleshed out and b) if we respect that canon anyway then Orochimaru only lost cause he sauntered up to him without a care in the world then made eye contact like a dumbass, so it would *certainly* be a closer fight in a rematch. Itachi still wins most of the time ofc, I just think Orochimaru might have some high diff dubs in him
That’s a abismil ass take Itachi with sussano perfect sussano will wipe the Sanin they litteraly fear him
@@Vegetahasultraego Susanoo isn't invincible nor is Itachi's perfect, yata-mirror is an issue for ninjutsu from the front but you can go around it, and imperfect Susanoo can be broken, which we've seen characters of that caliber do several times already. Tsunade herself punched through MADARA'S Susanoo, if you suppose that they can do something about yata-mirror then Itachi's Susanoo itself is getting floored by Tsunade in that 1v3.
@@Vegetahasultraego Orochimaru is scared of Itachi cause he relies entirely on ninjutsu to overwhelm his opponents and create a solution to any problem but his ninjutsu all falls apart in front of such a talented Sharingan user, and Itachi is as fast as Orochimaru so Orochimaru has no good fallback, but Orochimaru is the least skilled in hand to hand combat among the sannin, sage mode alone is a different beast, and the only comparison we have between Itachi and sage mode level enemies are when he's in an edo body against edo nagato, whom he was weaker than even with his sickness gone, a spammable Mangekyo, and buffed strength and speed
1) what happened in the anime is most likely what happened in the manga. The manga also shows orichimarus severed arm
2) please do not use the "orichimaru wasn't fighting serious "argument. Orichimaru directly said himself that itachi was stronger than him,to the point he didn't dare touch him for several years after. That doesn't sound oike a person who could fight another character if they are serious.
@@nonameneeded2943 I already said I think Itachi is stronger, I explained why, and I never said that Orochimaru didn't try, I said he fucked up, whether or not Orochimaru wins any fights out of ten, he can do better than walking up to Itachi holding a knife smiling menacingly and then making eye contact. It was literally "how to get put under genjutsu 101", if he did literally *anything* different it would have looked less embarrassing, that's why I have a hard time believing that's how Kishimoto would have written it, I don't see why getting his arm cut off means he has to have been one shot.
Itachi isn't beating all 3 Sannin at the same time 😂
Unless reanimated
When you said "uhhh, god exists.."
I was listening on audio only and fully expected a picture of Shino.
I was quite dissapointed
Sounds like that other guy came up with some rage bait engagement farming garbage and slapped a “controversial takes” sticker on it.
Itachi fanboys still think he can solo the verse?
damn...takes are too hard.
Solo the verse? It was just saying he can beat the 3 sanin lol
@@donovan4222 lol Itachi literally ran away from Jiraiya failing the mission of kidnapping Naruto. Itachi can never beat orochimaru (orochimaru was caught offguard by genutsu) because he had EDO TENSAI so itachi had to fight 4 hokage, Raikage, Kazekage etc..
@@addictedtomelody799 Itachi one shot Orochimaru with his base Sharingan as a 12 year old, then defeated Orochimaru again as an adult while he was half dead and out of chakra. Orochimaru got completely bullied by Itachi, and he openly admitted Itachi was much stronger than him…I don’t know how you can read/watch the story and not realize that? It’s made very clear Itachi is far above sanin level. Even in early Naruto Shippuden, Orochimaru and Sasuke both say that together they still wouldn’t be a match for Itachi. It’s openly stated like 3 times by the author that Itachi sh*ts on Sanin level characters lmao
@@donovan4222 literally Orochimaru had EDO TENSAI whole world war and MADARA feats started because of EDO TENSAI..WHOLE world needed to came together to stop EDO TENSAI and you think Itachi can stop Orochimaru lol, you are the one who needs to watch naruto again..
@@addictedtomelody799It comes down to bad bodies. Post war Orochimaru with a white zetsu body made up of Hashirami cells could be a monster, but any time before that he just doesn't have the capability to be a threat to Itachi.
Yes, he has Edo Tensei, but nowhere near the skill to use it to full effectiveness. Compare Oro's initial summon of Hashirama to what we see in flashbacks and even his second summon of him, and we see back then he barely brought out like 30% of his power.
We also see from the battle with Nagato that Itachi can negate Edo Tensei with the Totsuka blade.
TLDR: Extremely weakened Edo Tensei plus Totsuka blade doesn't swing things in Oro's favor until post white Zetsu body.
Even if Juubito could become pass through things with Kamui, it likely couldn’t protect him from limbo. Not that it would even get to that point.
But he had the rinnegan so he should see the see the limbo clones.
And wouldn't he also be able to make his own, granted they would be weaker
@@dasherplayz4471 I never thought of that. But he would still be weaker. And even if he couldn’t touch Obito he would still be way stronger and probably just wait out until Kamui runs out.
Why do you think it wouldn't protect him from Limbo? There's no basis to that assumption. They're basically just invisible clones, but even if they were Madaras in a different dimension, Obitos Kamui sends you to his Kamui dimension and no other, so unless Madaras Limbo happened to coincidentally be linked to the same dimension Madara would be unable to touch Obito while he was in Kamui.
The problem is that just hiding won't do Obito any good and in terms of offense he simply isn't that good, so while he could try to sit Madara out in Kamui, he has no way to actualy BEAT Madara.
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Obito was spamming the shit out of kamui the whole war before the ten tails.
With the ten tails he isnt never running out of kamui.
And yes, madara would be stronger and faster but the difference isnt astronomical, but obito is a LOT more haxed and he is still strong enough to deal damage to him and fast enough to keep up
@@dasherplayz4471 I think the limbo clones were specific to Madara. Like how Sasuke has his switch technique
Yo the god exist part had me rolling
I kinda agree with the Kamui thing. They made it so Juubito couldn't phase through anything or teleport, which is what made him so dangerous before the Juubi. If he could teleport, he could have just teleported away and used infinite tsukiyomi somewhere else, and no one really could stop him.
Lmao shut those down hard 🤣
Itachi literally ran from 1 sanin😂😂
He didn't wanna kill him cuz he was working for the leaf bruh, he cucked orichimaru badly with 1 attack when he died in his fight with Sasuke obito stated the itachi could've one that fight and he was nearly blind and was dying literally so a healthy itachi giving the 3 sanin a good fight if not winning because his sussano not getting beat my them he one shot orichimaru with Toskala blade can do that to all of em
Some people just say "Controversial takes" to justify being wrong
Edo shisui: *uses kotatmatsukami*
Edo shisui: *stabs eye out so it regens*
Edo shisui: *uses kotatmatsukami*
Edo Shisui: *gets speed blitz*
Lol good point, I never considered him destroying his edo eyes so they can regen.
This is a hot take: Lee was a better fit for a main character.
This is a bad take: Kiba beats Madara
Most of those fall into the latter.
here me out tho
Nah kiba negs
Lee was SUCH a better fit for the main character. Naruto tries to push this narrative that hardwork is all you need to be successful but that’s literally not true. 99% of the characters in Naruto were born with special powers.
@@JK_of_Today And that is why my beta-themed rewrite's version of Naruto will instead push for natural talent and hard work being able to coexist
Lee totally better as main with Naruto as one of the primary villains.
Healthy Jiraiya beat the 3rd, 4th and 5th weakest paths. Prime Jiraiya was weaker than unsealed Orochimaru. Orochimaru got low diffed by a 14-15 year old Itachi, a healthy Shippuden era Itachi bodies the 3 of them. The only reason Itachi didn't beat Jiraiya when they came for Naruto was because Itachi wasn't trying to, he was trying to seem evil, but didn't want to actually do anything, killing Jiraiya would have only been bad for him.
I want you to delve more into the pain vs jiraiya one because I like to explain if deva alone was instantly tryna kill jiraiya he could’ve
Shisui didn't have a cool down. Faster you get that through your head the better lmao.
Itachi does 1v3 them honestly, so does Nagato .
Why do people keep saying Itachi is equal to Nagato when Itachi one shot both Negato and a member of the Sanin?
Let's be real. Tsunade isn't doing anything at all to Itachi.
@@lastraven7205 she would get put down faster than orichimaru. The sannin aren’t good opponents for Itachi
@@kemar1997 I think jiraya could put up the best fight but Itachi has already demonstrated he can instantly 1 hit orochi and Tsunade seems like even less of a problem than orochi
@@lastraven7205Itachi is not stronger than Nagato. The fact that Nagato after destroying whole Konoha was fighting with Jonins, anbu and other shinobis already makes him above Itachi.
And after that he was even fighting with Naruto sage mode. And he beaten even him. Itachi is not doing all that. Konoha was lucky that Nagato decided to stay on his side and revive shinobis.
Even Edo tensei version of Nagato is stronger than Itachi. Nagato was low diffing 2 jinchurikis. No way Itachi having in arsenal only totsuka blade will even touch Nagato.
Chibaku tensei is enough for Itachi.
@@Sueiei29737 Itachi 1 shot Negato and his summons
People really love thinking Itachi is some god. . . The only thing he has which can effectively kill any of the Sanin would be his Susano blade and there’s no way he’s hitting all 3 with it. Heck the only reason he hit Orochimaru like he did in canon was that it was by surprise.
He’s not a god but he is absolutely beating all 3 Sanin and it’s not close. I feel like people forget that he one shot Orochimaru with genjutsu as a child. Not to mention he also one shot his strongest form with the totska blade. Orochimaru is arguably the strongest sanin. It took Jiraya and Tsunade together to beat and Orochimaru without arms. Jiraya isn’t much of a threat without sage mode which takes forever to power up and Tsunade would be a problem if he didn’t have the totsuka blade.
Hello?????? Amaterasu?!?!??????? TSUKUYOMI????????? Sanin are getting wiped from the map.
@@JK_of_Todaynot to mention, does he not remember that one scene where orochi tries to get his sharingan💀
@@xenothekami888 Oh wow, mentioning Itachi’s abilities as if the Sannin are just powerless defenseless civilians. Definitely not biased INDEED.
They’re called Sannin for a reason.
@@JK_of_Today Why do you people keep using that genjutsu scene as an excuse to overestimate Itachi?? He didn’t “one shot” anything, he just caught Orochimaru off guard with tsukuyomi because Orochimaru carelessly underestimated him. By your logic, Itachi “one shots” Hashirama since it’s possible to catch him in a genjutsu as well.
And how in the world was Orochimaru being sucked out of Sasuke’s seal his most powerful form when it was even barely his base??
You also ignored the fact that Jiraiya and Tsunade were weakened as well. Jiraiya was poisoned while Tsunade was traumatized by the fear of blood which Kabuto figured out. But once Tsunade manages to suppress that weakness for even a bit, guess what? She violated Orochimaru until he was forced to retreat.
Conclusion: Orochimaru might be the strongest when they’re all at full power but they’re all still relatively equal (not too far apart in power level). Even if Itachi manages to somehow defeat one of them on his own, he stands absolutely NO CHANCE against all three of them together. It would be overkill against Itachi. Stop overrating him just because he managed to surprise attack a cocky Orochimaru with genjutsu.
I don't think any of the naruto cast has even surpassed hagoromo yet even in boruto.
I feel like people either overate itachi or underate nagato. Edo tensei nagato and itachi seemed more equal but a big reason for that is because edo tensei essentialy gives you infinite chakra. Nagato already having an absolute shit load of chakra when he was alive doesnt get as much of a buff as itachi gets even if he was healthy(im not a supporter of the itachi having low chakra idea btw. He still has a lot of chakra but compared to nagato who is an uzumaki he doesnt have nearly as much)
Jiraiya did not take out 4 paths of pain, he took out 3 temporarily and they just got revived and low diffed him anyways. Pain at full power could definitely fight the 3 sanin and likely win. Hanzo was able to do that, and pain defeated Hanzo.
Jiraiya did take out 4. He took out the Animal, Preta and Human paths and after they were revived by the Naraka Path Jiraiya took out the Animal path again with his Barrier: Toad Gourd Prison and Rasengan.
@@kanoreese1253 Yes I know but that’s a stretch saying he took out 4 paths when it was only temporary, and one of those 4 was the same path twice. It makes the battle seem a lot closer than it was.
Also, I think it’s worth noting that Jiraiya was running away for most of the fight and not fighting all 6 paths at the same time. The preta and human paths are also pretty weak since they are just support paths that only work well when combined with the others. What I’m getting at is Jiraiya stood no chance there in a straight up fight with all 6 paths.
@@donovan4222 The Preta Path is most definitely not weak. It negates all ninjutsu omnidirectionally and that's the majority of Jiraiya's arsenal. The Animal Path is the second strongest due to it's summoning of giant animals that take multiple teams of shinobi to take out. And Jiraiya took them out without any prior knowledge. Jiraiya has plenty of battle exp and a genjutsu that Pain knew nothing about. He most definitely would've beaten Pain if he knew about the other paths. Hell, Kakashi almost took out the Deva Path if he hadn't sacrificed the Asura path to take the Chidori stab.
@@kanoreese1253 The preta path only absorbs chakra, in terms of its ability to fight on its own it’s pretty weak. It has no offensive abilities and no defense against taijutsu. Same with Human path.
The animal path is strong which is why I didn’t mention it, Jiraiya successfully fighting animal path summons was his greatest feat in that battle.
Jiraiya only took those paths down temporarily, Pain purposely was not using his full power, because he knew that he could just use a few of the paths to fight Jiraiya, get him to let his guard down, then revive the paths if necessary and defeat Jiraiya. Thats why as soon as Jiraiya got jumped by all 6 paths he lost his arm and was defeated. Pain uses the paths like chess pieces, he can win by sacrificing them since he just revives them anyways.
Jiraiya stood no chance against all 6 paths at the same time, no one in the village did.
Kakashi was fighting 2 paths and he couldn’t take out the Deva path even though he had some intel from Jiraiya as well as help from a team lead by Choza/Choji who saved his life from the Asura path. The shared Rinnegan vision was also too much for Kakashi and his team to handle, just like it would be for pretty much anyone who wasn’t Obito/Itachi level or stronger. Kakashi came up with a super high IQ battle plan that required help from Choji/Choza, and most characters in the series wouldn’t even think of, and it still failed and he died lol.
@@donovan4222 The problem with what you're saying is that you're completely denying what the author wrote. If Pain himself said that Jiraiya would've beaten him then it's a fact. Saying Jiraiya stood no chance against all 6 is your opinion in which you're entitled to.
I feel like people use the “he would have won if he had intel” statement to massively overestimate Jiraya. There is absolutely no way Jiraya could’ve defeated Pain. Naruto surpassed Jiraya in sage mode, had intel, and he still couldn’t beat Pain when Pain was weakened. It took eight tails to beat a weakened deva path. Itachi is beating every Sanin. We saw him deal with Orochimaru, Jiraya isn’t much of a problem without sage mode, which takes forever for him to charge up, Tsunade would be a problem if he didn’t have the totsuka blade.
lol, Orochimaru was not prepapred, simple as. 3 v1? Itachi dying.
Yes I’m sick of the Pain underscaling, people don’t realize that no one had any chance of beating him and the only reason Naruto won was because of 1 in a million circumstantial miracle after miracle just happened to go right for him (Pain uses all his chakra blowing up the village right before their fight, getting prior intel from Jiraiya/toads, having 4 sage mode batteries, Pain holding back with intent to capture, a convenient 15 year old chakra seal from Minato….)
Pain would absolutely beat the Sanin 1v3 because Hanzo was able to do that, and weaker Nagato defeated Hanzo.
@@donovan4222Nagato beat a weaker Hanzo
This would be a decent argument if Pain hadn’t SAID IT HIMSELF.
@@thecyberrabbit1440 Pain was talking about if Jiraiya knew where his real body was, not Jiraiya actually beating the 6 paths in a straight up fight. If you know where Nagato’s real body is, then pretty much anyone can defeat Pain.
And Hanzo was not weaker, it was the same Hanzo who stalemated the 3 Sanin, Jiraiya was stunned and thought it was actually impossible he had been defeated, showing that Pain surpassed him.
The least hot is denying that Nagato himself said Jiraiya would've beat him with info. Idk man it's almost as if Nagato told the reader what would've happened lmao
Pain said himself that Jiraiya would have won if he knew about Pains abilities
I'd go with that myself
Nick lowballing Itachi while claming to be a world expert of Naruto will never not be funny.
I know right, he has an obvious hate boner for Itachi
I wouldn't call it a hate boner but we see a younger, less experienced Itachi neg Orochimaru with base sharingan genjutsu, so what's stopping him from neg'ing them with Tosuka blade(Orochimaru), Tsukuyomi(Tsunade), and Amaterasu(Jiraiya)? I honestly think he wins if he isn't spitting up blood and on the verge of going blind oh and death
@@dragonscar3670 Itachi blitzed orochimaru while literally blind and a few minutes from dying, regardless of edo or sick Itachi, he folds all of the sanin.
Edo Itachi also blitzed Nagato with the Totska Blade as well, the same Nagato that was no diffing both B and KCM Naruto, and kcm Naruto is faster than the raikage who is canonically the fastest ninja Alive at the time, including the Sanin. Edo weakens the user's stats, so Alive Itachi is even faster than edo. The sanin all get blitzed.
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And thats obvious to most people, but Nick hates Sasuke and Itachi by extension.
Itachi meatriders are insane
Who freed Sasuke from orochimarus curse mark?
Orochimaru came out the curse mark during Sasuke's fight with Itachi & tried to take over itachis body when he was weakened but Itachi ended up killing / sealing him
@@anacc9261and when he sealed Orochimaru we see the Snake was still attached to Sasuke which once it was fully sealed the Curse Mark disappeared
@@kaimobley5324 yessir & I meant he tried to take*Sasuke's body not Itachi
If jiriyah had the proper intel he probably wouldve still lost but at the very least he wouldve survived and gotten away
Actually there is a panel in the manga from pain after the fight with pain and Jiraiya stating that if he had know the secret to the paths Jiraiya would have won
sasuke and sakura are the worst couple in fiction and only happened to create a female lead in boruto
fax karin would have been better
Um I just reread a couple chapters and let me just say calmly that ITACHI VIOLATES THE SANIN! He beat the strongest form of Orochimaru without any sharingan even activated. He literally didn’t even have base sharingan and was seconds from death when he dodged all of the snakes and stabbed Orochimaru. Tsunade if she gets a punch off(that’s a big if) would kill him without susanoo but with it the yata mirror could possibly block it. She may have cracked Madara’s susanoo but the yata mirror is said to block all physical attacks. We don’t know if there’s an upper limit to that but let’s be real she probably isn’t landing a hit anyway. And Jiraya…Jiraya doesn’t exist in the this fight. Sage mode takes too long. Itachi literally is known for ending fights fast. And no summons wouldn’t work either. We’ve seen itachi easily deal with summons. So yeah sick Itachi wins no difficulty. Healthy is just suicide.
There is no "possibly" with the Yata Mirror Itachi would without a doubt block it but also repel it back onto Tsunade like he did with Sasuke when he tried to use his sword. Itachi wouldn't even need to use the full Susano either only the Ribcage as we see from both Madara and Sasuke physical strength wasn't enough just from one person and at best she cracked it but only a insignificant amount which really did nothing.
Also when you stated itachi beat the strongest version of Orochimaru is the most untrue statement ever. During the war arc he got 100% hashirama cells and he mastered edo tensai. If I had to say when Orochimarus prime was it would probably be right now in boruto because he knows waaaay more Jutsu and he stills has jashirama cells. Not to mention he has all four kekkei genkai from the sound 4
@@Bird984 It was the strongest version of Orochimaru at the time. And he got easily bodied by no sharingan, seconds away from death Itachi.
How he beat oro with no sharigan if the susano is active enlighten me please.
@@ronlewis1554 Chapter 392, you can literally see Itachi’s eyes are deactivated if not completely blind. You can use susanoo without eyes. Madara did it.
i remember pain saying that jiraiya might´ve won if he knew his secret beforehand. i´m not saying that jiraiya wins this all the time, but if pain himself says it there is a chance of it happening
Healthy Itachi slaps all Itachi's Armored Susano'o wields the Totsuka Blade, which seals anything it pierces, and the Yata Mirror, which can block any attack. This combination of an overpowered offensive weapon and an impenetrable shield makes Itachi's Susano'o virtually invincible
Listen, Itachi stomped the strongest Sannin as a child. He easily dealt with him minutes away from death. I think Itachi being held back the entire story causes people to misinterpret how implied he was powerful to be. No one is stomping a Sannin TWICE if he's supposed to be close to their power level.
Juubidara mastered kamui? He used it twice lol. What lmao??
A hypothetical healthy evil/ambitious Itachi would be interesting to powerscale. An Itachi that really did leave Sasuke alive because he wanted EMS. A healthy body means he can train harder, would have larger chakra reserves, and EMS would help shore up his biggest weakness of being reluctant to use his best techniques because of the self damage.
Those posts were crazy
They used white Zetsu body’s for Edo Tensei (I think) and those mainly exist from Hashirama cells. Those make Kotoamatsukame useable every couple of hours so it depends on how Shisui fights
I don't even need to explain why Itachi shits on the Sanin, the people in the comments are already doing it.
Juubidara only had kamui for a second after he stole Kakashi’s eye, and he was weaker with it than with two rinnegan. The poster is talking about if Juubito had his ability that made him untouchable, which would have been a huge problem, and may have made him unbeatable for the heroes pre six paths power up. Now if he was actually more dangerous than Madara with two rinnegan is highly questionable. Maybe he would be more dangerous than one eye Madara. We never saw the full extend of two eyed Madara’s power.
What he meant to say was “I’m not gonna @ the content creator because I don’t want to drive views to his page even though I’m using his content to make money off of on my own page”
"Don't want to blow up their spot." 😅
Jiraiya definitely would have one that fight if he knew about the eyes connected.
Id be surprised if he didnt have a jutsu that can hit from blind spots. Naruto sage mode energy punch isnt something i think is unique to perfected sage mode. Jiraiya probably could do it and hit harder
"Jiraiya definitely would have one that fight if he knew about the eyes connected."
He did know that and still lost.
"Jiraiya probably could do it and hit harder"
Jiraiya is weaker then Sage Naruto so IDK how he will hit harder.
Ya madara is not the strongest in the verse but haguromo stated him self that juubidara with one rinnegan was starting to approaching his level of power
Youre telling me the 3 sanin would have beaten the yata mirror and totsuka blade combo 😂
the itachi one has great counters to both sannin with jiraya being the only difficult fight as genjustu and amaterasu would put both tsunade and orochimaru out of commission
I’d say jiraiya losing to pain if he had intel is unlikely while there is still a chance, jiraiya staying trying to figure out how the pains abilities worked and gather intel he didn’t already have lead to him staying and receiving more and more injuries until he died. If he went into the fight prepared he would came out on top extremely high diff tho
If Kushina were revived, the war would've been won
Yes
no😂😂😂
Correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure Madera didnt have Mastered Kamui, and ifJuubito never really used it which implies a bit that he didnt have access to it because otherwise he wouldve used it throughout the fight
“god exists” 😂
For shisui he could of found tsunada use kotoamatsu Kami for her to get ashram cells for him so he could spam it
Uhh idk. Madara did technically master Kamui ISH on the first use when he stole Kakashi's eye and showed us that Kakashi's eye can do something we thought only Obitos eye could do.... But can he phase in the way that Obito does? As in you see him standing there looking normal but when you try to slash him your sword goes right through
What’s controversial is not knowing where to buy these Pearl/Chain hybrids.
Does everyone forget pain said if jiraiya had know his secret he would have won?
I wanna see Nick do a video about the 3 v 1 with itachi and the Sannin
NOT THE BLACK MAHORAGA 💀😭
Unpopular take: borutos dad should get his own show.
If itatchi trained more after leaving konohagakure and still be healthy, he would have a pretty good chance against the sannin, and probably would win easily if he took his father’s eyes
I thought obito couldn’t use Kamui with the ten tales in him
Boy is wearing a pearl necklace 😂🎉
Considering takes like those no wonder boruto has a fanbase