And you've been succeeding admirably. Many many Thank Yous. Just remember, your Mom was right; somebody ❤️ you. When you do good, it makes you a good person.
I like to play this piece with all the strings tuned a whole step lower. Then I would use the capo at the first fret to mimic the actual tuning of the piece in c# minor. That is one of the reasons why I like Tarregas arrangement.
lsdman I enjoy it starting with A minor. It drops the song down. I interpret this song as dark and possibly depressing. When you drop it down that comes out. Beautiful song regardless of how it’s interpreted
A very well presented video and excellent playing. I tried the Dm version and settled on the Am transcription eventually shelving the piece all together. I would say to any student guitarist that before you spend some months of your life learning and practicing this piece, that one should take a step back and have a look at the music from technical perspective. Beethoven's music was all about melody and dynamics. I eventually came to the conclusion that the guitar does not have the dynamics to do this justice. It just becomes a relatively boring little melody on guitar instead of the hypnotic result the piano would bring. Sometimes piano pieces sound better on guitar (ie: Asturias) Just my opinion.
He does have a point: this is one piece that loses quite a lot when moved from the piano. Hey, it's fun, but I can see why many guitarists would want to put their effort elsewhere.@@TheKrazyLobster
one of my goals as i progress in my studies is to try to make a transcription of the entire moonlight sonata. (All three movements) for classical guitar.
There are so many hundreds of thousands of pieces composed for guitar, I personally try to stick to Guitar repertoire as much as possible. I am glad we have Lute transcriptions and other pieces from pop jazz blues etc. that we can select from. If I see right away a piece that is going to take a lot of time and that I am not able to play it well, then I move on to something else. Your lessons are very good.Thanks again.
Nice class ! Really helpful. As I've mentioned on other videos, it would be great if either at the end or the beginning of the video you could play the whole song please :)
I love your commentary on this. Great analysis (If that's what we'll call it) of the Tarrega transcription. I've seen, I've heard and I've played many transcriptions of this movement from Beethoven's Sonata but I still haven't found one that pleases my ear the way that Ludwig's piano arrangement makes me feel. I've known about Pancho Tarrega's version for a while AND I've heard a few recording's of it, so like you mention at the end of the video, it's a pretty cool historical anecdote to have Tarrega transcribe a Beethoven piano piece for the guitar only a few decades after Ludwig Van's death (however, I DO consider Beethoven to be a Romantic composer whereas you think of him as classical, but hey! it's ok to disagree). So..... onto my question: If YOU, the one and only Bradford Werner, would transcribe the single most accurate and BEST sounding tribute to LVB's Moonlight Sonata for guitar, what key would you do it in? Panchito's D minor makes sense But so do the tons of versions in A minor As well as the tons of versions that keep it in its original C# minor So, what key do you think it would be best suited for a guitar arrangement that keeps it close to the original that Beethoven had in mind?
I don't know. My process is usually to write out the piece in the original key and then start transposing it and see how the bass and upper lines intersect and how much rewriting I'd have to do versus how difficult it turns out. In the end I would probably strip the piece down to the bare bones as the piece really doesn't work all that great on guitar anyway so I'd probably just simplify it and not try to be too fancy. But d minor does make sense here if you want to keep the octaves on the bass accompaniment part that happens often. That said, I'd probably ditch any octave in a chord anyway to make it easier. Manjon has a nice version in A minor, it's maybe a bit better. I would consider taking his arrangement as my basis.
Ya, actually just looked at the version by Antonio Jiménez Manjón (1866-1919) and I think it's a bit, not better, but more practical. Maybe I'll make an edition of it at some point.
I have three questions w.r.t the sheet music, I would appreciate for any comments: 1) The 8 bellow the Trebel Clef tells that all the notes should be played one octave lower, am I right? 2) Why the 6th stroke is explicitly assigned to D while it is E? how one should interpret this assignment? 3) The combination of the Trebel clef and the Bb tells that the note is written in F major scale, am I right?
1) The guitar sounds an octave lower but you don't need to do anything, whenever we read guitar music that is the way it is. If you, for example, were playing from a jazz chart you might want to play everything up an octave. 2) "Stroke"? Do you mean "String"? The 6th string is tuned down to D to accommodate a larger range of pitches since this is originally for piano. 3) Close but no. This work is in D Minor (the relative minor to F Major) so they share the same key signature but the tonal centre is D.
@@Thisisclassicalguitar 1) Thanks for this clarification, I see this in many notes and I was wondering how should I account for it while playing the notes. 2) Sorry for my mistake, yes I meant 6th string. Then for practicing this note we should relax the 6th string from its normal state to actually sound D. Then I should take into account all the semitone shifts accordingly, right? 3) These scales are the holy grail of the guitar for me at this state. All these 8 major/minors are quite confusing !
What kind of mic are you using, it sounds as if I was there in front of you listening to you live. This is through headphones I'm listening. Is this a stereo mic?
On bar 16 I'd have to bar fret3 and play with the 2nd finger on fret4 and with 3rd and 4th fingers on fret6? I'd have to cut some skin and break some bone in order to do that....maybe I could stretch 2nd and 3rd between frets on lower strings, but on e, B and G AND with a barre, there's no (anatomical) way for me! It's interesting that no one has mentioned this in the comments...which makes me wonder... Am I interpreting the bar wrong, or is this just a "normal stretch" for the classical guitar "gang"? Now regarding the video, thanks for the pointers and, especially the revised/with extra notes free score!
Well, it's not an easy stretch, I agree, but it is playable. You could try it without a barre and just jump the first finger over to F when needed. That might help you secure fingers 2,3,4 with the stretch mainly being with 1.
Tárrega is what you wrote in the title to the video. Notice that accent on the "a?" That means that you accent that when you say the word. TARR ega. Not Tar-EGG-uh. Sorry to be picky, you help people a lot. I can't be the first person who has pointed that out.
Sometimes it's a difference between the level of the player. Concert level guitars played by pros are sometimes pretty high because they dig in so much and it would simply buzz if it was low...
Good guitar makers will tell you: normally the clearance between the fret and the string is about 4mm on the low E and 3mm on the high e. Maybe you're looking at bad guitars - even the cheap ($500) ones I've seen have a nice action. I have a cheap Altamira, as well as the 2 others I made on Luthier courses.
*How many hours & how often do you practice every day, plus do you learn new pieces each and every week, if so how many?* I think you will not answer my query...
Really, really enjoy your video lessons. Wish you were located here in Ohio; you'd have a dedicated student!😇 Hope you don't think me a bit of a douche-bag, but: your pronunciation of Tárrega is kinda off -- especially for a guitar teacher. The emphasis is on the accented 'a', not the 'e'. So, it's not Ta-RAY-ga, rather, TA-ray-ga. Hope that helps -- I'm taking Spanish lessons 😏 -- along with my guitar lessons. Hey, when you're retired, that's what you do!
Paul Prachun thats right. i know learning my language is tricky, specially from english. But when you see an accent like Tárrega, just put the enphasis there, thats all. Its harder when the accent is not wrote on the word xD
I'm really concerned about the 1st note of the 3rd triplet in the 4th bar; shouldn't that be an "A"? It's written as a G in the transcription, but that does not sound good at all. I have watched the video several times, and I hear an A every time, and it even looks like you are playing a A, but I make lots of mistakes. is this just another example of my ignorance, or is there really a A there. Please advise. Thanks
The G is correct, it functions as the 7th of the chord in A7 there. It also works as a passing tone from A to F. It will sound good when you flow through it aiming for the next measure.
I must have been really screwed up that day. It gets worse than that; I was forgetting the c was a c#, so no matter what I played it sounded terrible. Of course it's a g; an "a" right there would sound totally bland. Thanks for responding! @@Thisisclassicalguitar
Best classical guitar instruction on the net. Thank you so much for sharing your time, skills and insight.
Thanks, I've been trying to pass on concepts rather than just walk through every bar like a robot. Hopefully people like it!
And you've been succeeding admirably. Many many Thank Yous. Just remember, your Mom was right; somebody ❤️ you. When you do good, it makes you a good person.
I like to play this piece with all the strings tuned a whole step lower. Then I would use the capo at the first fret to mimic the actual tuning of the piece in c# minor. That is one of the reasons why I like Tarregas arrangement.
lsdman I enjoy it starting with A minor. It drops the song down. I interpret this song as dark and possibly depressing. When you drop it down that comes out. Beautiful song regardless of how it’s interpreted
Why the capo? Why not just tune down half a step?
Great explanation thanks. Do you have a video where we could hear you play this in its entirety?
A very well presented video and excellent playing. I tried the Dm version and settled on the Am transcription eventually shelving the piece all together.
I would say to any student guitarist that before you spend some months of your life learning and practicing this piece, that one should take a step back and have a look at the music from technical perspective.
Beethoven's music was all about melody and dynamics. I eventually came to the conclusion that the guitar does not have the dynamics to do this justice.
It just becomes a relatively boring little melody on guitar instead of the hypnotic result the piano would bring.
Sometimes piano pieces sound better on guitar (ie: Asturias)
Just my opinion.
Allan Dunsmuir or maybe you just suck at playing the guitar and can't do the piece justice.
Just my opinion.
@Lunar Orbit Yes , but it's the sustain that loses out on this piece when played on guitar.
He does have a point: this is one piece that loses quite a lot when moved from the piano. Hey, it's fun, but I can see why many guitarists would want to put their effort elsewhere.@@TheKrazyLobster
You’re very good at communication. You don’t assume we’re all educated in classical guitar. I appreciate that.
Thanks!
Thank you for your teaching and sharing the free sheet music.
Glad you like them!
one of my goals as i progress in my studies is to try to make a transcription of the entire moonlight sonata. (All three movements) for classical guitar.
There are so many hundreds of thousands of pieces composed for guitar, I personally try to stick to Guitar repertoire as much as possible. I am glad we have Lute transcriptions and other pieces from pop jazz blues etc. that we can select from. If I see right away a piece that is going to take a lot of time and that I am not able to play it well, then I move on to something else. Your lessons are very good.Thanks again.
I honestly like Tarregas arrangement the most. It sounds much brighter in a higher key. Well that is my opinion.
Like your instruction. Thanks
Nice class ! Really helpful.
As I've mentioned on other videos, it would be great if either at the end or the beginning of the video you could play the whole song please :)
Ya, all my new videos do. In these older vids I sometimes leave it to the many other videos already on UA-cam by pros.
I believe this guy does the same arrangement... ua-cam.com/video/H6ma-JQxcvU/v-deo.html
I love your commentary on this. Great analysis (If that's what we'll call it) of the Tarrega transcription.
I've seen, I've heard and I've played many transcriptions of this movement from Beethoven's Sonata but I still haven't found one that pleases my ear the way that Ludwig's piano arrangement makes me feel.
I've known about Pancho Tarrega's version for a while AND I've heard a few recording's of it, so like you mention at the end of the video, it's a pretty cool historical anecdote to have Tarrega transcribe a Beethoven piano piece for the guitar only a few decades after Ludwig Van's death (however, I DO consider Beethoven to be a Romantic composer whereas you think of him as classical, but hey! it's ok to disagree).
So..... onto my question:
If YOU, the one and only Bradford Werner, would transcribe the single most accurate and BEST sounding tribute to LVB's Moonlight Sonata for guitar, what key would you do it in?
Panchito's D minor makes sense
But so do the tons of versions in A minor
As well as the tons of versions that keep it in its original C# minor
So, what key do you think it would be best suited for a guitar arrangement that keeps it close to the original that Beethoven had in mind?
I don't know. My process is usually to write out the piece in the original key and then start transposing it and see how the bass and upper lines intersect and how much rewriting I'd have to do versus how difficult it turns out. In the end I would probably strip the piece down to the bare bones as the piece really doesn't work all that great on guitar anyway so I'd probably just simplify it and not try to be too fancy. But d minor does make sense here if you want to keep the octaves on the bass accompaniment part that happens often. That said, I'd probably ditch any octave in a chord anyway to make it easier. Manjon has a nice version in A minor, it's maybe a bit better. I would consider taking his arrangement as my basis.
Ya, actually just looked at the version by Antonio Jiménez Manjón (1866-1919) and I think it's a bit, not better, but more practical. Maybe I'll make an edition of it at some point.
Thanks mark wahlberg
excellent tips. Priceless. Thank you!
Maybe I missed it. You didn’t mention to down-tune the 6th string. But on the score it says to.. is it a must?
Yes, that is an oversight on my part. But it says it clearly on the music. Yes, it is a must for this particular arrangement.
I have three questions w.r.t the sheet music, I would appreciate for any comments:
1) The 8 bellow the Trebel Clef tells that all the notes should be played one octave lower, am I right?
2) Why the 6th stroke is explicitly assigned to D while it is E? how one should interpret this assignment?
3) The combination of the Trebel clef and the Bb tells that the note is written in F major scale, am I right?
1) The guitar sounds an octave lower but you don't need to do anything, whenever we read guitar music that is the way it is. If you, for example, were playing from a jazz chart you might want to play everything up an octave.
2) "Stroke"? Do you mean "String"? The 6th string is tuned down to D to accommodate a larger range of pitches since this is originally for piano.
3) Close but no. This work is in D Minor (the relative minor to F Major) so they share the same key signature but the tonal centre is D.
@@Thisisclassicalguitar
1) Thanks for this clarification, I see this in many notes and I was wondering how should I account for it while playing the notes.
2) Sorry for my mistake, yes I meant 6th string. Then for practicing this note we should relax the 6th string from its normal state to actually sound D. Then I should take into account all the semitone shifts accordingly, right?
3) These scales are the holy grail of the guitar for me at this state. All these 8 major/minors are quite confusing !
Ah... a bit of search answered my second question. I did not know that it is actually called Drop D Tuning!
What kind of mic are you using, it sounds as if I was there in front of you listening to you live. This is through headphones I'm listening. Is this a stereo mic?
On bar 16 I'd have to bar fret3 and play with the 2nd finger on fret4 and with 3rd and 4th fingers on fret6?
I'd have to cut some skin and break some bone in order to do that....maybe I could stretch 2nd and 3rd between frets on lower strings, but on e, B and G AND with a barre, there's no (anatomical) way for me!
It's interesting that no one has mentioned this in the comments...which makes me wonder... Am I interpreting the bar wrong, or is this just a "normal stretch" for the classical guitar "gang"?
Now regarding the video, thanks for the pointers and, especially the revised/with extra notes free score!
Well, it's not an easy stretch, I agree, but it is playable. You could try it without a barre and just jump the first finger over to F when needed. That might help you secure fingers 2,3,4 with the stretch mainly being with 1.
Might try a download on the pc because it sure as heck didn't work on my Android. Who designed your website?
It's a Wordpress site, pretty straightforward, should work. Did the sheet music open in your browser or just didn't download?
@@Thisisclassicalguitar Probably an Android glitch. Couldn't add to the cart.
@@roberttrautwein1260 Oh weird, actual purchases are from Shopify which very well setup for all devices.
Bar 13 the last bass note is notated as an A natural in many transcriptions but is it actually meant to be A flat?
The Elias Barrieros arrangement sounds great. Hear one played by Michael Lucarelli
Tarregas arrangement sounds much brighter.
Felt like the "melody" part right after the initial arpeggios should have been an octave up for contrast
Tárrega is what you wrote in the title to the video. Notice that accent on the "a?" That means that you accent that when you say the word. TARR ega. Not Tar-EGG-uh. Sorry to be picky, you help people a lot. I can't be the first person who has pointed that out.
great
Hi, can you please play the entire piece from beginning to end?
Watch this kid play it, he's awesome! ua-cam.com/video/dClI-546kVs/v-deo.html
Thanks -)
No worries!
How tall is your action near the twelfth fret?
And I've noticed most new guitar have awful action. Are they meant to be adjusted by the buyer? Some
Sometimes it's a difference between the level of the player. Concert level guitars played by pros are sometimes pretty high because they dig in so much and it would simply buzz if it was low...
Good guitar makers will tell you: normally the clearance between the fret and the string is about 4mm on the low E and 3mm on the high e. Maybe you're looking at bad guitars - even the cheap ($500) ones I've seen have a nice action. I have a cheap Altamira, as well as the 2 others I made on Luthier courses.
*How many hours & how often do you practice every day, plus do you learn new pieces each and every week, if so how many?*
I think you will not answer my query...
Hi Marcus, it really depends on the difficulty of the piece. I try to release new material each week but some require more time than others.
Really, really enjoy your video lessons. Wish you were located here in Ohio; you'd have a dedicated student!😇
Hope you don't think me a bit of a douche-bag, but: your pronunciation of Tárrega is kinda off -- especially for a guitar teacher. The emphasis is on the accented 'a', not the 'e'. So, it's not Ta-RAY-ga, rather, TA-ray-ga. Hope that helps -- I'm taking Spanish lessons 😏 -- along with my guitar lessons. Hey, when you're retired, that's what you do!
Paul Prachun thats right. i know learning my language is tricky, specially from english. But when you see an accent like Tárrega, just put the enphasis there, thats all. Its harder when the accent is not wrote on the word xD
What type of microphone do you use
josue garcia On his website under gear reviews he mentions different zooms
Thankyou very
I'm really concerned about the 1st note of the 3rd triplet in the 4th bar; shouldn't that be an "A"? It's written as a G in the transcription, but that does not sound good at all. I have watched the video several times, and I hear an A every time, and it even looks like you are playing a A, but I make lots of mistakes. is this just another example of my ignorance, or is there really a A there. Please advise. Thanks
The G is correct, it functions as the 7th of the chord in A7 there. It also works as a passing tone from A to F. It will sound good when you flow through it aiming for the next measure.
I must have been really screwed up that day. It gets worse than that; I was forgetting the c was a c#, so no matter what I played it sounded terrible. Of course it's a g; an "a" right there would sound totally bland. Thanks for responding! @@Thisisclassicalguitar
what strings do you use?
D'Addario Hybrid set, you can learn more on my gear page: www.thisisclassicalguitar.com/classical-guitar-store-reviews/
You said that its free sheet, this is not free...
The Sheet Music is free! The tab is for purchase but help yourself to the free notation.
The notation edition is completely free!
What instrument do you want to learn?😂😂😂
Bar city in this peice
Barre city indeed.