I didn't read every reply, but BT (Brian Transeau) made a track called 1.618, which is a song in his album which I assume is a tribute to nature and science, titled This Binary Universe. Worth a listen!!!
That is inherent! I tune pianos and have some knowledge of quantum physics and mathematics. It is now becoming vividly clear as to the meaning of the music of the spheres. The cyclical nature of vibrating fields of energy are always transmuted based on geometric harmonics. Sound becomes light. As above ,so below.
Oh boy I have waited so long to hear this. Now revolve the cord and and add the sub melody it will be like a fractal image. In music. The real brainwave of the new human. Where can I get the (album) And play it for my garden
beethovensg yes the rosacrutions knew that sound makes light. The Hopi beetle people played a flute and heated stones red hot But o like this bit for its Brian wave entertainment ability’s It’s a fractal. Can’t wait for more
Two enthusiastic and mutually supportive artists explaining the Golden Ratio in music ... well, so much fun. Thanks so much for putting this out to the world.
Yes, well it sounds pretty inlfuenced by "minimalism" which is what a lot of composers gravitate towards nowadays, perhaps because it somehow aligns with the Zeitgeist of our time and our current scientific knowledge and philosophical paradigms that we all (sub)consciously live in? Similar to like classicism must have felt natural to composers in the 18th-early 19th century? That might be why certain composing styles become popular or "dominant" in a certain era... just my thoughts.
While she intentionally used the Fibonacci Sequence in her musical composition, I'm not so sure that the other composers mentioned, really knew what they had done. It seems to me that it is an innate ability of our senses to the rhythmic perfection of the Fibonacci Sequence and that is why we appreciate and relax within the harmony we feel when we hear it. This video made me reflect on several musical pieces that I have been drawn to and why. When I listen to music whether it be classical to rock, before a note is even played, I know the sound of that note, the tempo of that note, and the perfection of that note. It's in the synchronicity of humanity and the universe.
To me, the perfect energetic tempo in music to connect to is 144bpm(or 72bpm), is a fib number and where most peoples heart rate lies when they are doing physical activities (dancing)
I am 60 next month and feeling such excitement that the world has young people like you in it and will have (God willing) for many years to come. You bring such a joy in your music but most of all, in the smiles I see you sharing with one another :) Thank yooooo :)
I'm way into this mentality. I was explaining the golden mean to a friend of mine. And showing him how it's in nature. He didn't seem to be very interested. But later was asking me more about it. As I showed him the spiral pattern in his Sunflowers. The possibility with music is endless. Like the Mandelbrot Set. Which is based on the Fibonacci sequence.
Everyone is qualified to speak about music (just not theory). Music has 2 equally important ingredients: the intellect... and the intuition. The former is what scares people away from music. The latter can make music without instruments or training (though it might not be 'listenable' to the trained ear).
1 - "Black" 1 - "Then" 2 - "White are" 3 - "All I see" 5 - "In My Infancy" 8 - "Red and yellow then came to be" 5 - "Reaching out to me" 3 - "Let's me see" Tool
Agreed. The Phi moment of this video @ 6:17 sounds like this piece by Mannheim Steamoller from 0:28 to 0:33 and then a quick skip to 1:22 to the end. ua-cam.com/video/FrHlL8k7ouE/v-deo.html I only know this because I'm a huge Mannheim Steamroller fan, especially their second christmas album which this song is from.
Almost 60 years ago my brother invented something he called "The Magic Sound." It was vocal training and sound systems based on the golden ratio. He wrote some music based on this. He is a theoretical physicist. He shared his knowledge with others and has never been given credit.
I really appreciate the discussion on limitations and boundaries in a creative space. It is very freeing to have a structure to create within, and conversely, lacking that can feel overwhelming.
Those arpeggios sound really disordered but also have some sort of order that u can expect the next note of the melody. Hence I think why the golden ratio is so important is has just the right amount of order and disorder to make things beautiful. Really want to hear a modular synthesis version of those arpeggios!!
I think the golden ratio can be applied not only to music, but art, thought forms (for example expansion of a business model), word forms (like oratory/language skills), automotive design, architecture, engineering, and computer code, just to name a few. Great video!
Math in music I mean, it's there by definition, right? Octaves are doublings of frequency. We divide a piece into measures with so many beats per measure. Equal temperament 12-tone scales use the square root of 12... Bach used math to quickly improvise - just about all of his pieces are simple themes where he used basic math rules to create variations on the fly. If he lived today he'd be a hiphop DJ, going to raves every evening to make a living. Back then he went to court with his fiddle. He did write a lot of his music down, but he didn't value what he wrote down because what mattered was the math he used to create the music. There's a famous story where he used a sheet of music to wrap a fish... Heck y'all should do an ep on Bach's math. ^_^
Newbie Failmaster Exactly. I studied classical guitar at university and the idea Bach would go to raves is so ridiculous. Learning Bach, listening to Bach and studying classically leads me to believe Bach would not only stay away from raves but he would look down on it because it is beneath being considered music or art.
I think that without even counting at all some musicians intuitively anticipate and apply the number sequences and ruthyms and tones are less thought or calculated . I believe the most talent lies within someone who is both capable of the intuitive and the deliberate .
@@himagnamukherjee9382 It's simply not. For one, the DNA things is wrong, because people fudge up the numbers to get the result to be phi. If you take the real measurements, the ratio is something like 1.78~, not phi. Also, more things in Nature follow different ratios than they do phi, so saying "everything" follow this magical rule is just a lie. Yeah, it appears in Nature, but so does quantities of other ratios that nobody cares about or pay attention to because they don't create cool looking spirals and patterns... The mystical status of phi as this "key" to the Universe or godly instrument is incredibly overdone. Any self-respecting mathematician will tell you as much.
Hey Wow Cool find Really tho Mind if I join in? Because I want to know the truth Why would something like this dominate our human brains? To be honest I don't like the idea of beauty constrained to a simple math I prefer beauty to be free of such fixed numbers It seems a tad draconian Bit ironic, eh? I'm sorry Well then Yeah Bye
I think the Fibonacci sequence is very cool and the music you made using it was beautiful. The composer you played early on seemed to have mastered it, his work was ethereal.
As a huge fan of Bartok, I already knew about the "phi" moment in the gigantic fugue that is movement 1 in "Music for Strings, Percussion, and Celesta," and how the measures leading up to that (and following it as well, if I recall) can be plausible divided into lengths corresponding to numbers in the Fibonacci sequence. But I did not know about the similar division in the solo xylophone[?] taps that begin a later movement. And I was very taken with Nahre's brief piece. As a novice composer I've been given more food for thought. Good job, guys. I'm subscribing.
A fun exercise to try : Whenever you encounter the word "nature" in this video, just slip in the word creator/creation and the sentence will sound just as good as was intended.
Golden ratio appears in dentistry. The visible width of each adjacent tooth should be 1.618 times the next tooth back as you move away from the midline.
I am here because of It's Okay To Be Smart & now am here to stay. Awesome stuff....... Going to incorporate the golden ratio for my next album...... Calculator is now as important as my MIDI keyboard.
When the “phi moment” of a piece of music arrives the listener hasn’t heard the rest yet, so has no way of perceiving that it is a phi moment. So the golden ratio can only effect music we have heard before.
Or, with much of the excitement and beauty of music coming through anticipation, perhaps the phi 'change' point allows you to instinctively know when it's 'supposed' to be complete?
Seeing the direction this channel is going, I'm impressed. I imagine sometime in the future you'd be doing episodes on genres and phenomenons around the world like comparing South Africa's Hip Hop origins with Kwaito vs US's Hip Hop Origins, and India's precise percussion and tones. This finna be litty. Thank You for this. Hope to somehow someway contribute to this amazing channel. PS: I'm about to initiate a challenge to my fellow musicians and friends to make an EP based on the Golden Ratio.
@@SarahMike147 the most enticing thing about this challenge for me is having the whole EP some how follow a sequence derived from the Fibonacci. I gotta say though this is fun as hell.
I don't know how I got here, but as a musician, painter, and math enthusiast, UA-cam finally got the algorithm correct this time. I'm glad it did. Thanks! ♥️
Math is often referred to as the “language of science.” Interesting how music is written (so to speak) in math as well. Art and science are often viewed as being so different but they have more in common than most realize. Really cool video guys 👍🏽👍🏽
This is like peeking at Coltrane's brain at work with all the musical math of Slonimsky and metaphysical of Sun Ra and Alice Coltrane going on in his mind and body.
A pine cone has a double spiral, one angled slightly more than the other often in Fibonacci sequence. The cone releases a winged seed and the seed has a double spiral, In the seed's DNA is a double helix or a double spiral. The branch that the cone grew out of has a double spiral and at every intersection an event occurs, a pine needle grows. When a tree splits in half a spiral is revealed from its growing pattern. Since noticing this I have never been able to see the tree without thinking of its divine Nature.
Trees are amazing to observe, a bit off-topic but have you also noticed how trees in winter resembles a human circulatory system, or an explosion of electricity out of the ground?
I notice it in nature everywhere. I hadnot thought of it with regards to sound. Although while studying flamenco in Spain there was a bird that lived in my courtyard who chirped out very flamenco ish rhythms. Amazing. Mesmerizing.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong cause this is crazy. I liked the idea of the phi moments in music. It's true that a lot of great music has some dramatic change or climax somewhere between the middle and the end, but I was skeptical to think that they are determined by a mathematical equation. I tested out some popular songs. I liked the under pressure example, so the first song I tested was bohemian rhapsody by queen, often considered queens best, and one of the greatest songs of all time. 6.04min = 362.2sec, × 0.618 = 223.83 or 224sec, about 4.14min. Go listen to bohemian rhapsody and tell me what happens at 4.14! Epicness!
You're seeing the Carbon Atom. It's a Tetrahedron. Tetrahedrons are golden ratios. Golden ratios mathematically speaking (pi & phi) are circles as there is no ending to the sequence they keep going and going, so it can be said they are vibrating. Said another way, it's an amplifier of energy. Wrap a wire from a Tetrahedron from its apex to its base and you'll have the Fibonacci sequence. Beautiful isn't it? You're seeing and hearing the building block being expressed of our reality, Carbon.
Well done. As we listen further to "ancient" music that emerged from the forests, deserts, oceanic communities, I become increasingly curious as to how the communal Fibonacci experience is expressed, polyphonic singing of the Bayaka in Central Africa Republic , for instance, may well not be separated from the natural environment and is a direct expression of the primary relationship of the random and well organized development of Life. The "live" communal, shared performance in the natural environment of music is much needed today. And I fear that in our having separated ourselves from the natural environment, we are responding to the human condition as if in a hall of mirrors, reflecting the musical memes that have little to no relation to "reality". The very atoms of the natural environment quietly and discreetly display sounds that are imperceptible but for the remaining Song Birds, vibrant flora and fauna and their mortal sequences.
Math is music. Music is our innate unconscious mental/emotional manipulation of math. I love your mathematical (fibonacci) composition. It is a conscious manipulation of math to make beautiful music. Thanks!
Freemasonry describes music as a mathematical and proportional arrangement of sounds which can be reduced to a demonstrable science with respect to intervals of sound. This is a great example of what that means. Thank you.
I like learning and I love music so this is great. Now I understand why some pieces just feel right even if it's a type music that is less interesting most of the time.
Loved the golden ratio in music. I notice and find it also exist in a personal and practical teaching manner of my golf swing. The rhythm and timing of my golf swing fits well to the Fibonacci spiral found in music. As was eloquently expressed in this video. On my backswing I conduct the club with my lead hand and wrist tracing the movement of the head of the club in space; timing; and tempo into a large Fibonacci Spiral and the on the down swing I use my trail hand to trace the head of my golf club into a Fibonacci Spiral in the same manner to the finish of my swing. My body reacts automatically in dualism to a yin as I swing my golf club back with my lead hand and then forward yang; as I swing my club head downward then upward with trail hand; thus securing the timing and tempo of the golden ratio Fibonacci spiral, of my golf swing. Cheers. I must confess that I first heard of the notion of the golden ratio Fibonacci Spiral sequence from golf instructor Cooper Osborne on you tube. And then I explored it on my own in detail for myself and others to grasp. Cheers
I naturally gravitate to these tones. Being a drummer our fills are the golden ratio. I have had parents tell me I healed their kids when they heard and watched me play. I can put a person or babies to sleep playing drums. Not due to boredom but frequency synch.
This is going to be the best math class I have ever taken in my entire life! I wish you guys could be my teachers during my school years, you could have taught challenging subjects in math in an enjoyable way like no other with this open-mindedness and high-level interaction! Thank you so much for this celestial, philosophically sublime and enchantingly beautiful, mind-expanding episode! Big love and respect! I really liked Nahre’s original piece, Ravel-esque and unique at the same time! I’ll try to create something with this cool “Phi Moment” too! Amazing as always! ♥️🙏🙌🎶😊
Sound Field Sound Field Challenge accepted! 😃 I’ll send my take on Trap music! I hope you can check it! That episode was amazing as well and I grew up by listening to Outkast, T.I. and other ancestors of the genre, they were my childhood, literally. I will make a beat and send it to you but it might take a little longer, plus I am going to try composing a piece that is influenced by this golden ratio episode! Thanks so much! You are so cool guys!
Try the term 'constraint'. Time is like a picture frame for music. It's the window through which we experience the creation. I'm beginning to think that human history also follows Phi.
2:08 To swing on the spiral, to swing on the spiral, To swing on the spiral of our divinity And still be a human. *First!* to make a *tool* reference! *',:*D*
Haha, @@SoundFieldPBS, figured you wouldn't go down that track and respect you for that. Awesome videos have been made about that song already. Love your videos as well. You guys are doing great!
I just did that calculation on my favorite song "In The Mood" by Glenn Miller...My Mind is BLOWN right now!!! It happens right where it goes from a hard driving Forte sound to a nice pianissimo...Then if you take the calculation from there to the end it happens again where it reverts back to the forte hard driving!!! This is absolutely amazing!!!
What you guys were talking about at the end of the this video really got me thinking. Have you guys ever heard of the Oulipo artistic movement? It was all about creating art by imposing certain limitations or restraints on the creative process. For example, a French named Georges Perec author wrote a book called La Disparition, an entire novel that uses the letter E exactly 0 times, which is as hard in French as it is in English, being the most commonly used letter in French. It was even translated into English as "A Void" (which I'm sure was a special kind of torture for the translator! 😂)
I definitely believe that some of the best music out there uses the golden mean. I have not mathematically calculated my compositions but I always keep in mind my Structure and create space for the climactic moment about 3/4 of the way in then piece.
this video kind of has a kind of Inception-esque (as in the movie) load of phi moments that begin with the announced phi moment, followed by Nahre’s piano phi moment and then immediately at 8:08 we have the center moment of LA going “oooooooooooo!” Which was the best moment of the episode.
I just tuned a piano with the golden ratio and it sounds horrible. I learned from a numberphile video that the golden ratio is the most irrational number so I guess it's also the most dissonant interval possible.
I applaud your experiment. Was thinking about frequency ratios some time ago and got to the same conclusion. Golden ratio is most anti-harmonic. There is something interesting though, divide 432 repeatedly by golden ratio and let me know if you spot something. I was amazed!
It may be too obvious to include but Tool's Lateralus is literally based on the Fibonacci sequence. The syllables go up and down in the sequence and describe the sequence in it's lyrics. Check it out!
The Young lady was smokin the ivory keys there , would love to hear how the piece she was working on turns out. Really enjoyed the short piece so far..
Thanks a lot guys. I am the guy doing konnakol from 5.53. It means a lot to be featured here. 🙏
Your work is so inspiring to us! Thanks for letting us feature a part of your piece in this video. Everyone should check out your amazing music.
Thank you sound field it means a lot 😊
Bahut khushi Hui!!!!! Amazing musician!
I didn't read every reply, but BT (Brian Transeau) made a track called 1.618, which is a song in his album which I assume is a tribute to nature and science, titled This Binary Universe. Worth a listen!!!
Manjunath B.C That was AMAZING!!!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
It was great working on this video with you guys! Sound Field is awesome (but anyone reading this already knows that 🤓)
Thanks for the help Joe! Can't wait until you make a video on the golden ratio...
It was so cool to collaborate like this, thank you Joe!
That is inherent! I tune pianos and have some knowledge of quantum physics and mathematics. It is now becoming vividly clear as to the meaning of the music of the spheres. The cyclical nature of vibrating fields of energy are always transmuted based on geometric harmonics. Sound becomes light. As above ,so below.
Oh boy I have waited so long to hear this. Now revolve the cord and and add the sub melody it will be like a fractal image. In music. The real brainwave of the new human.
Where can I get the (album)
And play it for my garden
beethovensg yes the rosacrutions knew that sound makes light. The Hopi beetle people played a flute and heated stones red hot
But o like this bit for its Brian wave entertainment ability’s
It’s a fractal. Can’t wait for more
Two enthusiastic and mutually supportive artists explaining the Golden Ratio in music ... well, so much fun. Thanks so much for putting this out to the world.
"Evaporate it" is such a perfect way to describe that.
i can relate so well to that producing trance, i like to "evaporate" my leads with reverb and filters :D
... and also the way she motioned it with her fingers... :)
The music she wrote feels so natural, I immediately got the feeling I've heard it before even tho I havent. Anyone else got that feeling?
The phi moment sequence reminds me of the walking dead theme tune...
Me.
how can we get this song?
Yes, well it sounds pretty inlfuenced by "minimalism" which is what a lot of composers gravitate towards nowadays, perhaps because it somehow aligns with the Zeitgeist of our time and our current scientific knowledge and philosophical paradigms that we all (sub)consciously live in? Similar to like classicism must have felt natural to composers in the 18th-early 19th century? That might be why certain composing styles become popular or "dominant" in a certain era... just my thoughts.
mv022 good thoughts!
This video is 618 seconds long and that is amazing planning.
Its 10:19 minutes long though...
@@danfield6030 yes, and 10x60 = 600 + 18 = 618 seconds
They are showing us how to make music, it’s incredible.
Tool "Lateralus" ??? How did that get lost...?
While she intentionally used the Fibonacci Sequence in her musical composition, I'm not so sure that the other composers mentioned, really knew what they had done. It seems to me that it is an innate ability of our senses to the rhythmic perfection of the Fibonacci Sequence and that is why we appreciate and relax within the harmony we feel when we hear it. This video made me reflect on several musical pieces that I have been drawn to and why. When I listen to music whether it be classical to rock, before a note is even played, I know the sound of that note, the tempo of that note, and the perfection of that note. It's in the synchronicity of humanity and the universe.
To me, the perfect energetic tempo in music to connect to is 144bpm(or 72bpm), is a fib number and where most peoples heart rate lies when they are doing physical activities (dancing)
Omg the phi moment on Nahre's was amazing
After editing that moment for literally hours, I was really starting wonder if it was worth it.
6:17
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@@SoundFieldPBS 😂
@@NahreSol that piece was stunning thank you for enriching my life 🙂👍
I’m 1.618034 % sure this is my new favorite episode.
Have yourself a piece of Phi...with ice cream.
that's not very sure
I am 60 next month and feeling such excitement that the world has young people like you in it and will have (God willing) for many years to come.
You bring such a joy in your music but most of all, in the smiles I see you sharing with one another :)
Thank yooooo :)
Well said, I agree.
I was expecting some Tool here
We are just beyond expectations!
@@SoundFieldPBS Oh, you definitely are! You guys are awesome
I was looking for this comment :D
Tool was probably the most popular blatant example too :P
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Spiral out
Keep going
Spiral out
Keep going
Spiral out
The piano song was beautiful
I'm way into this mentality. I was explaining the golden mean to a friend of mine. And showing him how it's in nature. He didn't seem to be very interested. But later was asking me more about it. As I showed him the spiral pattern in his Sunflowers.
The possibility with music is endless. Like the Mandelbrot Set. Which is based on the Fibonacci sequence.
What??? Qualified musicians speaking about music???
Everyone is qualified to speak about music (just not theory). Music has 2 equally important ingredients: the intellect... and the intuition. The former is what scares people away from music. The latter can make music without instruments or training (though it might not be 'listenable' to the trained ear).
1 - "Black"
1 - "Then"
2 - "White are"
3 - "All I see"
5 - "In My Infancy"
8 - "Red and yellow then came to be"
5 - "Reaching out to me"
3 - "Let's me see"
Tool
What I came here to see
Am not.
@@therevelistmovement4683 Am not what?
@@labbeaj a tool.
@@therevelistmovement4683 😅
Sweet composition Nahre. Love the colours you paint with musically and numerically.
Thank you!!!
Lateralus, by TOOL is my favorite math metal song because they purposely used the Fibonacci Sequence to write it. I'm obsessed with the Golden Ratio.
They didn't purposely use it . Maynard said it was a complete accident look up his interview about it ..
@@katieb2098 no fuckingway! are you serious?! That's even BETTER! I'll go look for an interview about it right now.
"by the way, this is the phi moment of this video" hilarious! and you are all mindblowing, thank you!
@9:40😂
Agreed. The Phi moment of this video @ 6:17 sounds like this piece by Mannheim Steamoller from 0:28 to 0:33 and then a quick skip to 1:22 to the end.
ua-cam.com/video/FrHlL8k7ouE/v-deo.html
I only know this because I'm a huge Mannheim Steamroller fan, especially their second christmas album which this song is from.
Okay! As a Hungarian I never expected Bartók to be mentioned in such matters! Thank you so much for sharing! I definetly learned something new today!
Many of us love us some Bartok.
New favorite trick. Forwarding to the 0.618 section of a song and embracing the golden moment!
Over 60 years ago, my mom taught me that all music is mathematical.
How old are you?
@@mosesgrag2195 65. Why?
@@BettyHorn over 60 years ago......
10:00 they did surgery on a grape
Lmfao
Or just fans of Diana Krall :)
Almost 60 years ago my brother invented something he called "The Magic Sound." It was vocal training and sound systems based on the golden ratio. He wrote some music based on this. He is a theoretical physicist. He shared his knowledge with others and has never been given credit.
What was your brothers name?
@@poppelgaard The world may never know...
Would love to hear Nahre’s piece in full
You can download all of our original songs at our SoundCloud
What Title ???
Reply ASAP
@@SoundFieldPBS how can I find this
@@SoundFieldPBS Whereeee?? I NEED it hahah, it's splendid
It’s on SoundCloud on Sound Field’s page and the title is “The Divine Keys”
I really appreciate the discussion on limitations and boundaries in a creative space. It is very freeing to have a structure to create within, and conversely, lacking that can feel overwhelming.
Those arpeggios sound really disordered but also have some sort of order that u can expect the next note of the melody. Hence I think why the golden ratio is so important is has just the right amount of order and disorder to make things beautiful. Really want to hear a modular synthesis version of those arpeggios!!
The strange arpeggio thing (pardon my naïevité of music lingo) is also very much her style. Check out her channel! She's incroyable!
I think the golden ratio can be applied not only to music, but art, thought forms (for example expansion of a business model), word forms (like oratory/language skills), automotive design, architecture, engineering, and computer code, just to name a few. Great video!
You two have such great chemistry, you're a pleasure to watch.
Ongoing Discovery 🎯💯☺
I felt the Phi she created. Great work. So talented.
Math in music I mean, it's there by definition, right? Octaves are doublings of frequency. We divide a piece into measures with so many beats per measure. Equal temperament 12-tone scales use the square root of 12...
Bach used math to quickly improvise - just about all of his pieces are simple themes where he used basic math rules to create variations on the fly. If he lived today he'd be a hiphop DJ, going to raves every evening to make a living. Back then he went to court with his fiddle. He did write a lot of his music down, but he didn't value what he wrote down because what mattered was the math he used to create the music. There's a famous story where he used a sheet of music to wrap a fish...
Heck y'all should do an ep on Bach's math. ^_^
One interesting point about that square root of 12: As you rightly say: only equal temperament scales. Pure intervals are always rational.
*It's twelfth of root of two.
Newbie Failmaster
Exactly.
I studied classical guitar at university and the idea Bach would go to raves is so ridiculous. Learning Bach, listening to Bach and studying classically leads me to believe Bach would not only stay away from raves but he would look down on it because it is beneath being considered music or art.
Everything is mathematics though, we are just condensed vibrations
I think that without even counting at all some musicians intuitively anticipate and apply the number sequences and ruthyms and tones are less thought or calculated . I believe the most talent lies within someone who is both capable of the intuitive and the deliberate .
I’ve also heard this ratio as “God’s Fingerprint”. As it is found trough nature dna the universe etc.
It's everything natural, and sometimes not
1.618033988749895 it's the answer to nature, DNA, the universe, everything.
Anthony P. Ramirez ll
Anthony - you are awake!
How to get that fingerprint on human-made designs... Can biomimicry do it?
@@himagnamukherjee9382 It's simply not. For one, the DNA things is wrong, because people fudge up the numbers to get the result to be phi. If you take the real measurements, the ratio is something like 1.78~, not phi. Also, more things in Nature follow different ratios than they do phi, so saying "everything" follow this magical rule is just a lie. Yeah, it appears in Nature, but so does quantities of other ratios that nobody cares about or pay attention to because they don't create cool looking spirals and patterns... The mystical status of phi as this "key" to the Universe or godly instrument is incredibly overdone. Any self-respecting mathematician will tell you as much.
That piece Nahre wrote is so cool. When it switched, I went like WOW
It makes me so happy to watch Nahre nerd out while explaining the music she wrote. i think i have a little crush now
so the phi moment canT really be appreciated until you've experienced an entire performance
Black
then
white are
all I see
in my infancy
Red and yellow then came to be,
reaching out to me
Lets me see
Hey
Wow
Cool find
Really tho
Mind if I join in?
Because I want to know the truth
Why would something like this dominate our human brains?
To be honest I don't like the idea of beauty constrained to a simple math
I prefer beauty to be free of such fixed numbers
It seems a tad draconian
Bit ironic, eh?
I'm sorry
Well then
Yeah
Bye
:(
Tool
Captain Deadpool hellya
@@Manas-co8wl Is Idea two syllables?
I think the Fibonacci sequence is very cool and the music you made using it was beautiful. The composer you played early on seemed to have mastered it, his work was ethereal.
Nahre's genius becomes more apparent with every piece she writes. The Divine Keys?! C'mon, man! That's some Ravel level sheeee.
When I smile playing the Bass guitar and lovingly fret the notes while being grateful I Feel more love n Light .
As a huge fan of Bartok, I already knew about the "phi" moment in the gigantic fugue that is movement 1 in "Music for Strings, Percussion, and Celesta," and how the measures leading up to that (and following it as well, if I recall) can be plausible divided into lengths corresponding to numbers in the Fibonacci sequence. But I did not know about the similar division in the solo xylophone[?] taps that begin a later movement. And I was very taken with Nahre's brief piece. As a novice composer I've been given more food for thought. Good job, guys. I'm subscribing.
I don't usually say this about these kinds of channels, but Nahre Sol is actually an amazing pianist/composer
Great point about limitations being a good thing when you are trying to be creative.
A fun exercise to try : Whenever you encounter the word "nature" in this video, just slip in the word creator/creation and the sentence will sound just as good as was intended.
I LOVE THIS STUFF! On a spiritual level that transcends our current states and blends it with science! God bless you all!
Golden ratio appears in dentistry. The visible width of each adjacent tooth should be 1.618 times the next tooth back as you move away from the midline.
Loved and seriously impressed by the piece you wrote and the phi knowledge thru the lense of Music
how did that tune go from cold to really lit really fast damn
OK. PBS Space Time sent me here. And I'm staying! Science and Music. That's my bag!
Lol same. Your the first person I've found with similar interests
This is truly one of the best videos I have ever seen on so many levels. I love your collaborative composition!!
We were just talking about the Golden Ratio in one of my music theory classes! :O
I am here because of It's Okay To Be Smart & now am here to stay. Awesome stuff....... Going to incorporate the golden ratio for my next album...... Calculator is now as important as my MIDI keyboard.
She is awesome! Very talented.
When the “phi moment” of a piece of music arrives the listener hasn’t heard the rest yet, so has no way of perceiving that it is a phi moment. So the golden ratio can only effect music we have heard before.
Or, with much of the excitement and beauty of music coming through anticipation, perhaps the phi 'change' point allows you to instinctively know when it's 'supposed' to be complete?
Seeing the direction this channel is going, I'm impressed. I imagine sometime in the future you'd be doing episodes on genres and phenomenons around the world like comparing South Africa's Hip Hop origins with Kwaito vs US's Hip Hop Origins, and India's precise percussion and tones. This finna be litty. Thank You for this. Hope to somehow someway contribute to this amazing channel.
PS: I'm about to initiate a challenge to my fellow musicians and friends to make an EP based on the Golden Ratio.
Lol. I was already on it. I want my lyrics to follow it as well. Its a lot of fun
@@SarahMike147 the most enticing thing about this challenge for me is having the whole EP some how follow a sequence derived from the Fibonacci. I gotta say though this is fun as hell.
I don't know how I got here, but as a musician, painter, and math enthusiast, UA-cam finally got the algorithm correct this time. I'm glad it did. Thanks! ♥️
Math is often referred to as the “language of science.” Interesting how music is written (so to speak) in math as well. Art and science are often viewed as being so different but they have more in common than most realize.
Really cool video guys 👍🏽👍🏽
Thanks for watching Jay!
This is like peeking at Coltrane's brain at work with all the musical math of Slonimsky and metaphysical of Sun Ra and Alice Coltrane going on in his mind and body.
A pine cone has a double spiral, one angled slightly more than the other often in Fibonacci sequence. The cone releases a winged seed and the seed has a double spiral, In the seed's DNA is a double helix or a double spiral. The branch that the cone grew out of has a double spiral and at every intersection an event occurs, a pine needle grows. When a tree splits in half a spiral is revealed from its growing pattern. Since noticing this I have never been able to see the tree without thinking of its divine Nature.
@@chaosordeal294 Google pinecone Fibonacci.
Trees are amazing to observe, a bit off-topic but have you also noticed how trees in winter resembles a human circulatory system, or an explosion of electricity out of the ground?
I notice it in nature everywhere. I hadnot thought of it with regards to sound. Although while studying flamenco in Spain there was a bird that lived in my courtyard who chirped out very flamenco ish rhythms. Amazing. Mesmerizing.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong cause this is crazy. I liked the idea of the phi moments in music. It's true that a lot of great music has some dramatic change or climax somewhere between the middle and the end, but I was skeptical to think that they are determined by a mathematical equation. I tested out some popular songs. I liked the under pressure example, so the first song I tested was bohemian rhapsody by queen, often considered queens best, and one of the greatest songs of all time. 6.04min = 362.2sec, × 0.618 = 223.83 or 224sec, about 4.14min. Go listen to bohemian rhapsody and tell me what happens at 4.14! Epicness!
You're seeing the Carbon Atom. It's a Tetrahedron. Tetrahedrons are golden ratios. Golden ratios mathematically speaking (pi & phi) are circles as there is no ending to the sequence they keep going and going, so it can be said they are vibrating. Said another way, it's an amplifier of energy. Wrap a wire from a Tetrahedron from its apex to its base and you'll have the Fibonacci sequence. Beautiful isn't it? You're seeing and hearing the building block being expressed of our reality, Carbon.
Golden Ratio is the Harmonic sounds of the Universe, this is why music resonates with us all. So beautiful.
The mix of science, numbers, nature, music, and the chemistry between people earned my subscription to this channel right this moment!!
Maths is everywhere. Facinating stuff. Thanks.
Well done. As we listen further to "ancient" music that emerged from the forests, deserts, oceanic communities, I become increasingly curious as to how the communal Fibonacci experience is expressed, polyphonic singing of the Bayaka in Central Africa Republic , for instance, may well not be separated from the natural environment and is a direct expression of the primary relationship of the random and well organized development of Life. The "live" communal, shared performance in the natural environment of music is much needed today. And I fear that in our having separated ourselves from the natural environment, we are responding to the human condition as if in a hall of mirrors, reflecting the musical memes that have little to no relation to "reality". The very atoms of the natural environment quietly and discreetly display sounds that are imperceptible but for the remaining Song Birds, vibrant flora and fauna and their mortal sequences.
Math is music. Music is our innate unconscious mental/emotional manipulation of math. I love your mathematical (fibonacci) composition. It is a conscious manipulation of math to make beautiful music. Thanks!
Just like Leibniz said “Music is the pleasure the human mind experiences from counting without being aware that it is counting.”
Freemasonry describes music as a mathematical and proportional arrangement of sounds which can be reduced to a demonstrable science with respect to intervals of sound. This is a great example of what that means. Thank you.
I like learning and I love music so this is great. Now I understand why some pieces just feel right even if it's a type music that is less interesting most of the time.
Loved the golden ratio in music. I notice and find it also exist in a personal and practical teaching manner of my golf swing. The rhythm and timing of my golf swing fits well to the Fibonacci spiral found in music. As was eloquently expressed in this video.
On my backswing I conduct the club with my lead hand and wrist tracing the movement of the head of the club in space; timing; and tempo into a large Fibonacci Spiral and the on the down swing I use my trail hand to trace the head of my golf club into a Fibonacci Spiral in the same manner to the finish of my swing. My body reacts automatically in dualism to a yin as I swing my golf club back with my lead hand and then forward yang; as I swing my club head downward then upward with trail hand; thus securing the timing and tempo of the golden ratio Fibonacci spiral, of my golf swing. Cheers.
I must confess that I first heard of the notion of the golden ratio Fibonacci Spiral sequence from golf instructor Cooper Osborne on you tube. And then I explored it on my own in detail for myself and others to grasp. Cheers
I noticed the golden ratio for the first time today... in Nahre's piece :P Can't wait for that album!!!
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I naturally gravitate to these tones. Being a drummer our fills are the golden ratio. I have had parents tell me I healed their kids when they heard and watched me play. I can put a person or babies to sleep playing drums. Not due to boredom but frequency synch.
This is going to be the best math class I have ever taken in my entire life! I wish you guys could be my teachers during my school years, you could have taught challenging subjects in math in an enjoyable way like no other with this open-mindedness and high-level interaction! Thank you so much for this celestial, philosophically sublime and enchantingly beautiful, mind-expanding episode! Big love and respect! I really liked Nahre’s original piece, Ravel-esque and unique at the same time! I’ll try to create something with this cool “Phi Moment” too! Amazing as always! ♥️🙏🙌🎶😊
Hey Bati! did you watch our episode on trap music? I'd be interested to hear your take on producing a trap beat.
Sound Field Sound Field Challenge accepted! 😃 I’ll send my take on Trap music! I hope you can check it! That episode was amazing as well and I grew up by listening to Outkast, T.I. and other ancestors of the genre, they were my childhood, literally. I will make a beat and send it to you but it might take a little longer, plus I am going to try composing a piece that is influenced by this golden ratio episode! Thanks so much! You are so cool guys!
@@Bati_ Can't wait to hear it! Post them on Soundcloud and we will repost!
Soundfield: what did you guys think of our mathematical composition?
me: How do I put this lightly...... BRILLIANT!!!!!!!
Love these new videos. The hosts have such chemistry between them. Anyone else shipping them?
Gaspard de la Nuit nah
I use it almost subconsciously in my photography, never thought about it in music but it makes total sense
Try the term 'constraint'.
Time is like a picture frame for music.
It's the window through which we experience the creation.
I'm beginning to think that human history also follows Phi.
That song was amazing. Wish I could hear the finished piece.
soundcloud.com/soundfieldpbs/the-divine-keys
they also did an extended jam thing :)) soundcloud.com/soundfieldpbs/fibonacci-jam
2:08
To swing on the spiral, to swing on the spiral,
To swing on the spiral of our divinity
And still be a human.
*First!* to make a *tool* reference!
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Hopefully many more tool references to come!
Tool. The #1 cause of brain cancer in the music world.
Haha, was looking for this one
Fernie Canto I understanding hating tool fans but why hate on the music?
Overthinking, overanalyzing separates the body from the mind
These structures within all of us is source,,, not numbers but respect of the highest degree paying honor from and with love. Well done.
I was expecting you to bring up Tool's album Lateralus!
Glad we were able to defy expectations!
Haha, @@SoundFieldPBS, figured you wouldn't go down that track and respect you for that. Awesome videos have been made about that song already. Love your videos as well. You guys are doing great!
@@balaenopteramusculus Tool is good too! Also we know they intentionally used the golden ratio, unlike Bartok!
@@SoundFieldPBS Although apparently Maynard felt a bit lame about it later on, haha .... But, oh well, who knows when he is being serious.
This comment has 42 likes, none else like it! Plz because 42 is the answer
I just did that calculation on my favorite song "In The Mood" by Glenn Miller...My Mind is BLOWN right now!!! It happens right where it goes from a hard driving Forte sound to a nice pianissimo...Then if you take the calculation from there to the end it happens again where it reverts back to the forte hard driving!!! This is absolutely amazing!!!
What you guys were talking about at the end of the this video really got me thinking. Have you guys ever heard of the Oulipo artistic movement? It was all about creating art by imposing certain limitations or restraints on the creative process. For example, a French named Georges Perec author wrote a book called La Disparition, an entire novel that uses the letter E exactly 0 times, which is as hard in French as it is in English, being the most commonly used letter in French. It was even translated into English as "A Void" (which I'm sure was a special kind of torture for the translator! 😂)
I found you today. What an absolute gift. I've always been a fibonacci junkie so this makes my heart sing. Thank you. x
I definitely believe that some of the best music out there uses the golden mean. I have not mathematically calculated my compositions but I always keep in mind my Structure and create space for the climactic moment about 3/4 of the way in then piece.
“Nahre... you are really the truth” 😂 so true so true
I've been thinking heavily on this topic lately, nice to see a video on it
this video kind of has a kind of Inception-esque (as in the movie) load of phi moments that begin with the announced phi moment, followed by Nahre’s piano phi moment and then immediately at 8:08 we have the center moment of LA going “oooooooooooo!” Which was the best moment of the episode.
Once you start looking...
If you ask me, 8:06 is the phi moment of this video
Very cool to see this at a time where kids are being taught that competence = evil. Music has a way of being unable to hide what's true.
This was incredibly interesting! Never thought about it in a musical context. Brilliant! You are both very talented!
As an artsy type I've known about the golden ratio for many years. It's fascinating to see how it relates to another creative medium.
About 9:10: some serious wisdom about " boundaries. "
Didn’t really explain exactly how under presser and in my feelings has a Fibonacci sequence in them? And that woman is very talented
The golden moment of this video is... 6:22 ! Well played Sound Field, well played.
The Rhythms of Swing ("Jazz") also appear in a golden ration and what we call "Groove" in electronic music, the little offbeat sequences
Matt from Pbs Spacetime sent me. So glad he did. Subbed :)
So glad you found us!
That piano play sounds like the music in the Ghibli movie Porco Rosso, the track called madness. Which I really like.
Praise God! Thank You, Jesus! Glory Hallelujah!
I just tuned a piano with the golden ratio and it sounds horrible.
I learned from a numberphile video that the golden ratio is the most irrational number so I guess it's also the most dissonant interval possible.
I applaud your experiment. Was thinking about frequency ratios some time ago and got to the same conclusion. Golden ratio is most anti-harmonic. There is something interesting though, divide 432 repeatedly by golden ratio and let me know if you spot something. I was amazed!
@@mmitja awesome.
It may be too obvious to include but Tool's Lateralus is literally based on the Fibonacci sequence. The syllables go up and down in the sequence and describe the sequence in it's lyrics. Check it out!
The Young lady was smokin the ivory keys there , would love to hear how the piece she was working on turns out. Really enjoyed the short piece so far..