Guys just to answer your quastion's here. BATC needs Airplane models for example FSLTL but only models. You don't run the injector. BATC is injecting traffic to MSFS. Have a great day.-Chris
was just reading something extra on the BATC discord. seems that the best liveries option currently for msfs24 is the fsltl ones. Someone said that AIG liveries and models have no animations (no landing gears, no flaps, etc), FSTrafiic might not work at all, and fsltl the only issues reported is the barking sound on external camera, which BATC has a temporary fix for it, and the lights are not 100% good, as they do show the light beams, but not he light sources (cant see the "bulbs" in the airplanes), so it seems fsltl is the more "complete" liveries pack for BATC on msfs24.
I have the base models installed yet says can’t find flight sim on pc. I have a c main drive and flight sim is on the D drive as much bigger. Also BATC says no models found. As you can imagine quite confused. I have the steam version and the deluxe version. Full ATC product as well. Anyone’s help would be appreciated ty
@@twarog6825 are the files inside C:\Users[Your Username]\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024\Packages\Community ? you can also use the ms addon linker app and have the addons in a separate folder and link the app to that community folder and should work. also, out of curiosity, are you the farming twarog? :p
Microsoft has the code of the best AI, ATC traffic, released in FS9 & FSX. It was a marvel of its time and used in conjunction EditVoicepack and AI Aardvark models was impressive, not sure why they are not using it for a better experience in the newer sims.
I just got Beyond ATC yesterday, and probably about the time you were posting this video I was thinking I wish someone would do basically this exact video, and here it shows up on my YT recommended feed. Doesn't it feel like the algorithm not only hears and sees what we do, but can mind - read as well? Anyways, thanks for putting the time in to do this video. Enjoying my time with B-ATC and excited to see what's in store for us as the sim matures.
To be honest it's scary sometimes how algorythm works on you tube:) I'm glad you like this video and thank you for taking your time to comment also:) Have a great day
I just got it yesterday for about $44 Cdn, jeez what you get for that price is amazing, even with basic voices and everything is printed out. I would get 2 months on the other one. Now I can imagine a DLC with BeyondATC + tower simulator in FS24 that would be something :)
Yeah bro beyond ATC is game changing if comes to ATC in the simulator. What i love about it it that it understands you even if you mumble to your mic:)
They did great job. If I would have to nitpick something it would be that AI aircraft after line up takes off before the readback. As soon as the ATC starts to say the long clear for take off message they spool up engines and dont wait for the reaback :)
We used to have it so they waited for the full readback before taking off, but we found during testing this small extra bit of time would cause compounding delays and result in massive traffic jams. This small change kept the flow of traffic moving efficiently, even at the cost of realism. Sometimes a video game is more about user experience and flow more than realism, so we take these choices very seriously - but ultimately for this one, this small change helped in a big way.
@@beyondatc Yeah I understand that. With default ATC at large busy airports you cant readback sometimes even for 60-120 seconds because of all the ATC instructions to all the aircraft in the airport vicinity. Can we get a more detailed control panel like FSLTL does have? Sliders for more settings? Like GA, airliners, inject radius, ground traffic, parked traffic etc.?
I've been playing with this for the last 24hrs at different airports in the UK and Europe. There are a few issues here and there. Many to do with poor scenery implementation by developers not following standards (even Gaya!), but overall I am very impressed. I expect it will take another 6 months before we get VFR and everything runs smoothly, but it's definitely playable in the state it is in today, and a huge upgrade over the default traffic, or FS Traffic/FSLTL/AIG.
So I used the traffic in the last two days. So far I had aircraft taxiing into my tail, received take off clearance with traffic still on short final and landing traffic during my take off run. Also the ai traffic is not using blue and orange lines when available. So I got blocked by other planes. There is still a lot of improvement to make
They taxi at a maximum of 30kts on straight paths, and 5-15 kts on turns depending on the angle. This is physically calculated using their mass, acceleration and movement delta, so the number should be perfectly mathematically accurate.
Yes according to BATC these are real flights. Sids and stars you get from simbrief and ATC just following your flight plan. You have to have flight plan done in simbrief to load BATC
Open FBW software then go to the settings tab. Then, change the sim location and community folder location to your FS2024 community for both directories. Then re-install FSLTL. However please note that MSFS2024 does not detect the liveries of planes from MSLTL but you'll see the planes at usual
I bought the premium version, and when i tried to run Beyond ATC it said I needed FSLTL, or AIG, or FSTraffic. Those don't even work with MSFS2024 that I know of. How did you get this to work?
Thank You for your comment. Yes you need FSLTL to work with BATC traffic. But you only run FSLTL models of the airplanes without injector. BATC injecting traffic to MSFS
as far i read, any of those addons are used with BeyondATC only for the textures and models, none of them will run their own traffic injector, its the injectors that are not yet compatible with msfs24, and they are needed to "force" the textures and models into the game, but BATC injector picks them up and can force them on its own, so you can use fsltl, aig or fstraffic on msfs24 ONLY for the textures along with the BATC traffic injector. Also read that AIG has the most ammount of liveries, but i cant figure how to get them working, but i am very noob regarding to msfs modding or 3rd party apps as i havent played previous titles. only flying game i done was elite:dangerous lol.
@@Showstopper70Gaming Hear aig has more liveries and models, but can't figure how to install it for msfs24. Have a feeling I need msfs20 installed, get aig into it and then copy whatever folders it created on msfs20 community I to msfs24 community..... Dont yet have batc, but been following and next week I probably will get it and use msltl liveries.
I can’t get it to load past 25% of my simbrief flight plan so I cannot use it at the moment….loads right into fs2020 but doesn’t work at all for me in fs2024
There is no free version of BATC...Just freeware voices and premium voices. The only diffrence beetwen them is quality of the voices. In my video you hear freeware voices as i wanted to keep it real. Once you buy BATC you get traffic as well no matter which type of voices you use.
The aircraft are not barking at each other. It is a French Bulldog that somehow escaped its carrier. They just haven't added the visuals for this yet. 😉🐕
@flightdirectorr I would like to add that I've been following BeyondATC for some time, and I think it is a manifestly excellent add-on. I intend to purchase it just as soon as I get my broadband sorted out! Assuming they fix the barking, - wouldn't it be great if they gave the option to keep it in, and add a visual model of a little French Bulldog running around? 🤣
FSLTL works in MSFS 2024 as it was in 2020 version ...Just install it and it's done. Remember you only need FSLTL's airplane models not the injector. BATC injects traffic in to simulator
Another great thing is that they're modified the AI planes behaviour on takeoff and landing which was terrible in msfs 2020. Also no more hoping planes on taxi it seems
I mean honestly I am not in the sim to plane spot and look at other aircraft. As long as they get me to and from my airports in a ok manner I won't even see this kind of stuff.
Bought Early Access early in release and used for 6 months.... I fought them to release this last month due to advertising did not match "alpha" charge and clearly not "Alpha" status.... As a result, they ended my lifetime access permanently with a TOS that is not legal 2 days before release of the very thing I fought.... Beware of this developer, just a warning.... They can end your use at anytime though advertise Lifetime Access on time payment... The BBB does not even recognize this company per their claim???
voices on the base version are still computer generated (text to speech) like the ones used for google maps or phone assistants (usually not much noticeable as they are meant for short phrases, but more noticeable on bigger sentences), while the premium voices i believe it uses recorded voices or are also computer generated BUT much better quality (like siri or alexa digital voices) and you have to "top up" to use premium voices as they are from dedicated servers from their respective providers. Premium voices i believe can also provide regional/national accents, so you can fly to an airport in japan and hear the ATC talk to you with a japanese accent, or a pilot from a french company contact atc and have a french accent, or a new york accent, or a texas accent, etc.
small correction since only at the end of the video i understood that it was ALL recorded with free voices, so regional accents are also present on the free voices as we could hear from the japan airlines plane right at the start. just might be harder to understand due the "robotic" sound of the free voices.
Guys just to answer your quastion's here. BATC needs Airplane models for example FSLTL but only models. You don't run the injector. BATC is injecting traffic to MSFS. Have a great day.-Chris
was just reading something extra on the BATC discord. seems that the best liveries option currently for msfs24 is the fsltl ones. Someone said that AIG liveries and models have no animations (no landing gears, no flaps, etc), FSTrafiic might not work at all, and fsltl the only issues reported is the barking sound on external camera, which BATC has a temporary fix for it, and the lights are not 100% good, as they do show the light beams, but not he light sources (cant see the "bulbs" in the airplanes), so it seems fsltl is the more "complete" liveries pack for BATC on msfs24.
I have the base models installed yet says can’t find flight sim on pc. I have a c main drive and flight sim is on the D drive as much bigger. Also BATC says no models found. As you can imagine quite confused. I have the steam version and the deluxe version. Full ATC product as well. Anyone’s help would be appreciated ty
@@twarog6825 are the files inside C:\Users[Your Username]\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024\Packages\Community ?
you can also use the ms addon linker app and have the addons in a separate folder and link the app to that community folder and should work.
also, out of curiosity, are you the farming twarog? :p
Microsoft has the code of the best AI, ATC traffic, released in FS9 & FSX. It was a marvel of its time and used in conjunction EditVoicepack and AI Aardvark models was impressive, not sure why they are not using it for a better experience in the newer sims.
I just got Beyond ATC yesterday, and probably about the time you were posting this video I was thinking I wish someone would do basically this exact video, and here it shows up on my YT recommended feed. Doesn't it feel like the algorithm not only hears and sees what we do, but can mind - read as well?
Anyways, thanks for putting the time in to do this video. Enjoying my time with B-ATC and excited to see what's in store for us as the sim matures.
To be honest it's scary sometimes how algorythm works on you tube:) I'm glad you like this video and thank you for taking your time to comment also:) Have a great day
I just got it yesterday for about $44 Cdn, jeez what you get for that price is amazing, even with basic voices and everything is printed out. I would get 2 months on the other one. Now I can imagine a DLC with BeyondATC + tower simulator in FS24 that would be something :)
Yeah bro beyond ATC is game changing if comes to ATC in the simulator. What i love about it it that it understands you even if you mumble to your mic:)
They did great job. If I would have to nitpick something it would be that AI aircraft after line up takes off before the readback. As soon as the ATC starts to say the long clear for take off message they spool up engines and dont wait for the reaback :)
How did you get FSLTL in 2024? Mind you I have already deleted 2020
We used to have it so they waited for the full readback before taking off, but we found during testing this small extra bit of time would cause compounding delays and result in massive traffic jams. This small change kept the flow of traffic moving efficiently, even at the cost of realism. Sometimes a video game is more about user experience and flow more than realism, so we take these choices very seriously - but ultimately for this one, this small change helped in a big way.
@@beyondatc Yeah I understand that. With default ATC at large busy airports you cant readback sometimes even for 60-120 seconds because of all the ATC instructions to all the aircraft in the airport vicinity. Can we get a more detailed control panel like FSLTL does have? Sliders for more settings? Like GA, airliners, inject radius, ground traffic, parked traffic etc.?
I've been playing with this for the last 24hrs at different airports in the UK and Europe. There are a few issues here and there. Many to do with poor scenery implementation by developers not following standards (even Gaya!), but overall I am very impressed. I expect it will take another 6 months before we get VFR and everything runs smoothly, but it's definitely playable in the state it is in today, and a huge upgrade over the default traffic, or FS Traffic/FSLTL/AIG.
How did you get FSLTL in 2024? Mind you I have already deleted 2020
So I used the traffic in the last two days. So far I had aircraft taxiing into my tail, received take off clearance with traffic still on short final and landing traffic during my take off run.
Also the ai traffic is not using blue and orange lines when available. So I got blocked by other planes.
There is still a lot of improvement to make
about the "barking" planes, its a known issue with fsltl liveries pack, but BATC has a temporary fix for it on their website.
Thank You very much for this information!
Where is it located on their site? I could not find it.
I found it!
How did you get FSLTL in 2024? Mind you I have already deleted 2020
The discord page is locked... Anyway around that?
Does anyone know if planes show in littlenavmap ?
Yes they do!
If beyondatc would understand that planes don’t taxi like race cars this would actually be a good product by now.
lol tell that to Southwest pilots. This is actually slow for them. We all taxi faster than people think.
They taxi at a maximum of 30kts on straight paths, and 5-15 kts on turns depending on the angle. This is physically calculated using their mass, acceleration and movement delta, so the number should be perfectly mathematically accurate.
Great video. Thanks
You welcome and thank You for a kind word
Nice man, thanks for this. Just to confirm, these are real flights? Also, does it work with star/sids? Is it smart like simbrief?
Yes according to BATC these are real flights. Sids and stars you get from simbrief and ATC just following your flight plan. You have to have flight plan done in simbrief to load BATC
How do you install the FSLTL base models into FS24 to be used by beyond atc?
Open FBW software then go to the settings tab. Then, change the sim location and community folder location to your FS2024 community for both directories. Then re-install FSLTL. However please note that MSFS2024 does not detect the liveries of planes from MSLTL but you'll see the planes at usual
I bought the premium version, and when i tried to run Beyond ATC it said I needed FSLTL, or AIG, or FSTraffic. Those don't even work with MSFS2024 that I know of. How did you get this to work?
I believe FSLTL is only needed for the models.
Thank You for your comment. Yes you need FSLTL to work with BATC traffic. But you only run FSLTL models of the airplanes without injector. BATC injecting traffic to MSFS
as far i read, any of those addons are used with BeyondATC only for the textures and models, none of them will run their own traffic injector, its the injectors that are not yet compatible with msfs24, and they are needed to "force" the textures and models into the game, but BATC injector picks them up and can force them on its own, so you can use fsltl, aig or fstraffic on msfs24 ONLY for the textures along with the BATC traffic injector.
Also read that AIG has the most ammount of liveries, but i cant figure how to get them working, but i am very noob regarding to msfs modding or 3rd party apps as i havent played previous titles. only flying game i done was elite:dangerous lol.
@@Marcompam Installing the base models now. Huge download lol. Thank you guys for your help.
@@Showstopper70Gaming
Hear aig has more liveries and models, but can't figure how to install it for msfs24. Have a feeling I need msfs20 installed, get aig into it and then copy whatever folders it created on msfs20 community I to msfs24 community.....
Dont yet have batc, but been following and next week I probably will get it and use msltl liveries.
Which AI traffic liveries do you use?
Hey there. FSLTL liveries. Not the injector thou
@@flightdirectorr as an official, FSLTL is not compitable with FS24, but is it sitll any chance to apply it on FS24?
Yes it works. Open your installer as normal but before installing change location of your community folder then install it
Do you still have to pay for supporters edition to get the traffic or is it now with the standard $29.99 version?
Hey there. As i said at the beginning of the video it's available to everyone with standard version of BATC
@@flightdirectorr Thanks very much and sorry I missed that bit.
No problem. I'm here to help:)
I can’t get it to load past 25% of my simbrief flight plan so I cannot use it at the moment….loads right into fs2020 but doesn’t work at all for me in fs2024
Thanks for this video :)
Free version have AI Traffic?
There is no free version of BATC...Just freeware voices and premium voices. The only diffrence beetwen them is quality of the voices. In my video you hear freeware voices as i wanted to keep it real. Once you buy BATC you get traffic as well no matter which type of voices you use.
@@flightdirectorr Very interesting thanks
The aircraft are not barking at each other. It is a French Bulldog that somehow escaped its carrier. They just haven't added the visuals for this yet. 😉🐕
Haha Yess that makes sense! Thank You for this information;) It's better explenation than barking airplanes:)
@flightdirectorr I would like to add that I've been following BeyondATC for some time, and I think it is a manifestly excellent add-on. I intend to purchase it just as soon as I get my broadband sorted out!
Assuming they fix the barking, - wouldn't it be great if they gave the option to keep it in, and add a visual model of a little French Bulldog running around? 🤣
How did you get FSLTL in 2024? Mind you I have already deleted 2020 @@mariannelindsell6042
Is it possible to have custom traffic? Like a base with military jets
Hey there. No I don't think so
How big is the performance impact?
Well if you keep it as they want with the sliders you shouldn't notice a big diffrence
Super 👌
Thank You!!
How did you get FSLTL in 2024? Mind you I have already deleted 2020
FSLTL works in MSFS 2024 as it was in 2020 version ...Just install it and it's done. Remember you only need FSLTL's airplane models not the injector. BATC injects traffic in to simulator
Am getting an error message that says invalid stored block lengths, at Zion.zlib0nError
Another great thing is that they're modified the AI planes behaviour on takeoff and landing which was terrible in msfs 2020. Also no more hoping planes on taxi it seems
so no traffic for 2020😬😬
I mean honestly I am not in the sim to plane spot and look at other aircraft. As long as they get me to and from my airports in a ok manner I won't even see this kind of stuff.
Planes don't even park at correct real life terminals even cargo at the correct ramps
An unfinished product for an unfinished product
Bought Early Access early in release and used for 6 months.... I fought them to release this last month due to advertising did not match "alpha" charge and clearly not "Alpha" status.... As a result, they ended my lifetime access permanently with a TOS that is not legal 2 days before release of the very thing I fought.... Beware of this developer, just a warning.... They can end your use at anytime though advertise Lifetime Access on time payment... The BBB does not even recognize this company per their claim???
Voices just arent good still. So robotic
Yeah as i said in the video i used freeware voices just to keep it real. If you want human like voices you can have them in your sim no problem:)
The real AI voices are excellent.
voices on the base version are still computer generated (text to speech) like the ones used for google maps or phone assistants (usually not much noticeable as they are meant for short phrases, but more noticeable on bigger sentences), while the premium voices i believe it uses recorded voices or are also computer generated BUT much better quality (like siri or alexa digital voices) and you have to "top up" to use premium voices as they are from dedicated servers from their respective providers. Premium voices i believe can also provide regional/national accents, so you can fly to an airport in japan and hear the ATC talk to you with a japanese accent, or a pilot from a french company contact atc and have a french accent, or a new york accent, or a texas accent, etc.
small correction since only at the end of the video i understood that it was ALL recorded with free voices, so regional accents are also present on the free voices as we could hear from the japan airlines plane right at the start. just might be harder to understand due the "robotic" sound of the free voices.
Yes you are right. Diffrent accents are still present but a bit "robotic"