Thank you so much for this. Got 'er done - despite only having the draw plate and a vice...lots of cursing, slipping around and annealing LOL!! I think I put a hip out but I got from ingot to to round 1mm wire with your help! :)
Hi Andrew, I do a lot of drawing wire and like you, I have to mill it first on the square groves. However, I do something, I have not seen you or other tubers do: I actually roll round wire on the mill by rotating the wire less than 45 degrees. This is particularly beneficial, if you do not have a draw bench but only rely on your vise, draw plate and your arms. Can be hard work. Anyway, thanks for your videos. They are appreciated.
Ive been wondering about drawing down. Something didn't quite make sense in my rationing. I have seen you demonstrate quite a few times, but Its only just clicked in my slowly forming trainee Jewelers brain. I do Love it when that happens, because a leap takes place rather than step by step slowly slowly, although that is also very very good. Thanks Andrew. Legendary Educator as always Sir.
Well. I watched this video and went looking for a draw plate bench like you have. OMG are they outrageous! I ended up building one with a wench and got a pair of draw plate pliers for about $20.00, so the entire cost was about $80.00 US and mounted it on a 4X6X8ft piece of lumber. They were asking like $1,200 US for the one you have used. I also made mine adjustable with a flat vise that can move in as close as 2ft and out as far as making 7ft of wire. I made some copper wire so far with my carbide plate and I love it! No more trying to pull wire through a plate with pliers by hand, and making jagged wire. Your videos give me inspiration to do things and make things work. Looking forwards to more of your videos even though you have made many.
i used to work in a silver/gold metal mill, we did this with like, 10,000 T.oz at a time! We had giant annealing OVENS and machines that would do some of this in one step. We had a machine that would turn round wire into square wire( mainly to make it smaller size quickly) and square to round dies, round to half moons, triangle, and round to square again. Fun stuff! And very very very specific stuff. Very neat to see it done like this on a small scale. Thanks!
Excellent instruction. Exactly what I was trying to learn. You have some cool tools, unfortunately, I will be holding the plate with my vice and pulling with locking pliers. 😊
You don't quench after heating for annealing. I've so many videos where the craftsman quenches after heating. Why do they do that? I took a metallurgy class in college about 25 years ago and seem to remember that quenching hardens/case hardens the work.
I will not be making electrical wire with this method! I was just watching production of fence wire in 2 mile long rolls. What a long way we have come in our industrial processing of metals. Wish I had access to this shop just to watch the masters. Actually, I have to get back to my own bench that has been packed up for 20 years...... Great way to start my Monday!
Awesome video Andrew. Iv lived this whole indept series from ingot to wire! Alot of people will find it super helpful.. I got myself my firs draw plate last week.
Loved this series of videos. I have learned so much from your channel. It may be some time before I get the chance to try drawing my own wire but, I now feel no dread at the prospect of trying. Thank you.
Dear Sir Andrew , Thanks for your best Vedio nicely explained ,will please show the instrument you use to clamp / or you hold to pull through the draw plate Regards Sainath
Hi, maybe a silly question but Is it necessary to draw wire after the rolling mill? What if you just roll down to 2mm? What is the purpose of drawing it? Thank you in advance 🤗
I can see it’s a year since you asked the question but just in case you’re still looking for an answer… The rolling mill makes the wire square… the drawplate makes it round (or whatever shape the drawplate is).
Hi Andrew,Might be a dumb question,but how did the Vikings drawn down their wire for filigree? Maybe you dont know,but i dont have that super roller or the draw plates. Thanks in advance.
djyul Admit I get access to a mill from time to time and save bits to roll down. If desperate though I forge it down. Hammering all round the rough billet or on its flat surfaces and edges. I Anneal and pickle as it gets work hardened. I imagine very early metalworkers engineered some sort of mill but prior to that they must have forged. If you cast up scrap and make a billet of metal you should hammer it a bit it a bit anyway as the metal structure is too open. It stops the piece breaking up especially around the edges as you roll it or pull it through a draw plate. Just been doing this to turn scrap silver into useful stock using cuttlefish bones.
Hi Andrew, this might be a daft question but how would I draw a very long piece of wire using a drawbench? Say I needed a continuous 5 metres of round wire. It seems that the drawbench only allows for a certain length to be drawn, as a matter of fact, it seems that what you drew in this video might be the maximum length? Thank you!
You have to stop and then put the pliers back on the wire next to the plate and pull again. Put a piece of sacrificial metal over the wire so the pliers don’t mark it
@@Atthebench Ah you see I must have had a blonde moment - I did not think about putting sacrificial material around where pliers grab the silver/gold. Great stuff. And thank you for taking the time to reply. Now it makes sense.
I don’t have a studio of my own. I am in a place where I’m going to have to make do with less until I can make do with better tools. I have the first of many draw-plates, I have no draw plate bench. That is where I have to make do with alternative ways. There has to be away.
Hi Robert and all you other guys out there. I think, it is standard to be without a bench for years first. If you are drawing wire less than 2mm, just place the plate in a strong vise (on a very steady table/base), grab your tong with the hands, and pull. Maybe you should put your feet on the vise to gain more strength and to prevent you from pulling the table. Anneal frequently. Melissas home made bench is good (I just made one after 50 years of dreaming). Hans Mevis also has a video on building your own. Have fun.
Andrew Berry Thanks for the recommend, I found it helpful. Getting up that hill to purchase something, is slow going. I started with nothing but pliers. Looking back I see how far I’ve come along. Recent relocation has turned on my self awareness. I have a lot.
@@Coleman77 Hi Robert. I would maintain that 2mm is about maximum of whst you should pull of solid wire by hand. The larger holes are for the more mechanised and for tubes, chains and the viking stuff. And do not forget to oil the wire. For years, I used a candle stump for this.
Have made the mistake he showed about compressing the metal too much too fast. Not a good thing especially when it starts flaking and your still trying to work with it. I had a piece of gold stuck in my thumb for the longest time and I would look at my finger with multiple x magnification and couldn't see the little or should I use the word micro piece of gold cause it literally wasn't visible I eventually got it out but idk if I ever really had a visual of the piece of metal smh not a cool week or two . Wish I would have seen this before lol but you live and you learn some times it the hard way lol
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FINALLY! Someone showing how wire is actually made instead of endless videos of people drawing wire from...wire!
Thank you so much for this. Got 'er done - despite only having the draw plate and a vice...lots of cursing, slipping around and annealing LOL!! I think I put a hip out but I got from ingot to to round 1mm wire with your help! :)
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Hi Andrew, I do a lot of drawing wire and like you, I have to mill it first on the square groves. However, I do something, I have not seen you or other tubers do: I actually roll round wire on the mill by rotating the wire less than 45 degrees. This is particularly beneficial, if you do not have a draw bench but only rely on your vise, draw plate and your arms. Can be hard work. Anyway, thanks for your videos. They are appreciated.
Yes I have also done that. I will do a film and credit you with the suggestion 👍🏼
Thanks for the tip much needed.
Ive been wondering about drawing down. Something didn't quite make sense in my rationing.
I have seen you demonstrate quite a few times, but Its only just clicked in my slowly forming trainee Jewelers brain. I do Love it when that happens, because a leap takes place rather than step by step slowly slowly, although that is also very very good.
Thanks Andrew. Legendary Educator as always Sir.
Well. I watched this video and went looking for a draw plate bench like you have. OMG are they outrageous! I ended up building one with a wench and got a pair of draw plate pliers for about $20.00, so the entire cost was about $80.00 US and mounted it on a 4X6X8ft piece of lumber. They were asking like $1,200 US for the one you have used. I also made mine adjustable with a flat vise that can move in as close as 2ft and out as far as making 7ft of wire. I made some copper wire so far with my carbide plate and I love it! No more trying to pull wire through a plate with pliers by hand, and making jagged wire. Your videos give me inspiration to do things and make things work. Looking forwards to more of your videos even though you have made many.
i used to work in a silver/gold metal mill, we did this with like, 10,000 T.oz at a time! We had giant annealing OVENS and machines that would do some of this in one step. We had a machine that would turn round wire into square wire( mainly to make it smaller size quickly) and square to round dies, round to half moons, triangle, and round to square again. Fun stuff! And very very very specific stuff.
Very neat to see it done like this on a small scale. Thanks!
Dream job. What was the name of the company? I want to do this for a living.
I recently looked up fine silver wire online. The cheapest I could find had more than a 600% markup over what you'd pay for the bullion weight.
Oh! I needed this video days ago! Now I’ve got a bunch of crappy flakey wires. Guess I was to eager with the increments I squeezed them ate
Excellent instruction. Exactly what I was trying to learn. You have some cool tools, unfortunately, I will be holding the plate with my vice and pulling with locking pliers. 😊
I place my plate over two bits of wood then stand on it and pull the wire up. My vice isn’t on a heavy enough table. 😢
You don't quench after heating for annealing. I've so many videos where the craftsman quenches after heating. Why do they do that? I took a metallurgy class in college about 25 years ago and seem to remember that quenching hardens/case hardens the work.
Perfect training, thank you🌺
Thanks so much for this series from scrap to “new” wire! So very helpful.
Thank you, Andrew! Really enjoyed watching your process!
I will not be making electrical wire with this method! I was just watching production of fence wire in 2 mile long rolls. What a long way we have come in our industrial processing of metals.
Wish I had access to this shop just to watch the masters. Actually, I have to get back to my own bench that has been packed up for 20 years...... Great way to start my Monday!
So incredibly helpful. Thanks, Andrew.
Awesome video Andrew. Iv lived this whole indept series from ingot to wire! Alot of people will find it super helpful.. I got myself my firs draw plate last week.
Very interesting lesson, thanks for sharing
Loved this series of videos. I have learned so much from your channel. It may be some time before I get the chance to try drawing my own wire but, I now feel no dread at the prospect of trying. Thank you.
Dear Sir Andrew ,
Thanks for your best Vedio nicely explained ,will please show the instrument you use to clamp / or you hold to pull through the draw plate
Regards
Sainath
I just look for all your video. Can you do one showing your wire drawing bench? I thank you.
Thank you for your knowledge!
Love your videos, sir.
nice one andrew great advise
Very nice video--and great info!! Thanks for doing these--keep 'em coming!!!!
I appreciate you Andrew!
Brilliant videos
Many thanks sir
From Morocco
What karrot wire do you start with?
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Thank you so much
When I've ruined the metal by adjusting rollers too quickly, can I just remelt the metal and start again?
Would these tools be able to draw annealed steel by any chance? From 2mm to 1.5mm let's say?
Excelent, thanks
Hi, maybe a silly question but Is it necessary to draw wire after the rolling mill? What if you just roll down to 2mm? What is the purpose of drawing it? Thank you in advance 🤗
I can see it’s a year since you asked the question but just in case you’re still looking for an answer… The rolling mill makes the wire square… the drawplate makes it round (or whatever shape the drawplate is).
good info
What material is the big place where you anneal in this video made from?
I love the videos, thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Its made from soldering boards, 300mm square 12mm thick
@@Atthebench thank you!
What does coat shaped wire look like, please? Thanks, Andrew!
Coat shaped wire?
@@Atthebench Court shaped I think.
Court shaped I think Chef.
Hi Andrew,Might be a dumb question,but how did the Vikings drawn down their wire for filigree?
Maybe you dont know,but i dont have that super roller or the draw plates.
Thanks in advance.
Not sure about the vikings but I don’t have a draw bench. I manage with a draw-plate in a vice and a pair of old pliers ground flat at the ends.
@@candyem6622 yes,but taking it down before that. rough stock before you get to start drawing.
djyul Admit I get access to a mill from time to time and save bits to roll down. If desperate though I forge it down. Hammering all round the rough billet or on its flat surfaces and edges. I Anneal and pickle as it gets work hardened. I imagine very early metalworkers engineered some sort of mill but prior to that they must have forged. If you cast up scrap and make a billet of metal you should hammer it a bit it a bit anyway as the metal structure is too open. It stops the piece breaking up especially around the edges as you roll it or pull it through a draw plate.
Just been doing this to turn scrap silver into useful stock using cuttlefish bones.
@@candyem6622 Thanks for your reply Candy.
Looks like i will be doing the same.
Hi Andrew, this might be a daft question but how would I draw a very long piece of wire using a drawbench? Say I needed a continuous 5 metres of round wire. It seems that the drawbench only allows for a certain length to be drawn, as a matter of fact, it seems that what you drew in this video might be the maximum length? Thank you!
You have to stop and then put the pliers back on the wire next to the plate and pull again. Put a piece of sacrificial metal over the wire so the pliers don’t mark it
@@Atthebench Ah you see I must have had a blonde moment - I did not think about putting sacrificial material around where pliers grab the silver/gold. Great stuff. And thank you for taking the time to reply. Now it makes sense.
10:12 My condolences on your thumb...
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I assume that every time you say "centimeter" here you actually mean "millimeter"?
I don’t have a studio of my own.
I am in a place where I’m going to have to make do with less until I can make do with better tools.
I have the first of many draw-plates, I have no draw plate bench. That is where I have to make do with alternative ways. There has to be away.
Take a look at my good friend, Melissa's film ua-cam.com/video/KsRrfRJDSiU/v-deo.html
Hi Robert and all you other guys out there. I think, it is standard to be without a bench for years first. If you are drawing wire less than 2mm, just place the plate in a strong vise (on a very steady table/base), grab your tong with the hands, and pull. Maybe you should put your feet on the vise to gain more strength and to prevent you from pulling the table. Anneal frequently. Melissas home made bench is good (I just made one after 50 years of dreaming). Hans Mevis also has a video on building your own. Have fun.
Andrew Berry
Thanks for the recommend, I found it helpful.
Getting up that hill to purchase something, is slow going. I started with nothing but pliers.
Looking back I see how far I’ve come along.
Recent relocation has turned on my self awareness. I have a lot.
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I pulled a tool box mostly full of stuff. I’ll try more weight. I can rig up some short term things. I was pulling way above 2mm mark.
@@Coleman77 Hi Robert. I would maintain that 2mm is about maximum of whst you should pull of solid wire by hand. The larger holes are for the more mechanised and for tubes, chains and the viking stuff. And do not forget to oil the wire. For years, I used a candle stump for this.
Have made the mistake he showed about compressing the metal too much too fast. Not a good thing especially when it starts flaking and your still trying to work with it. I had a piece of gold stuck in my thumb for the longest time and I would look at my finger with multiple x magnification and couldn't see the little or should I use the word micro piece of gold cause it literally wasn't visible I eventually got it out but idk if I ever really had a visual of the piece of metal smh not a cool week or two . Wish I would have seen this before lol but you live and you learn some times it the hard way lol
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