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Date: 19 Jan, 2022
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"WORSE THAN THE LEFT" Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire | RIGHT WING MEDIA CIVIL WAR ►ua-cam.com/video/DEfpujN5omI/v-deo.html
Okay first off I want to say I agree with you that this is completely stupid, yes you're right about the contract. But I think you're missing a huge part of this once again. This seems to be the trend of every video I watch of yours. Okay let's assume Steven Crowder is correct, and that the daily wire is in bed the big Tech. What I believe Steven Crowder's trying to say if you're in bed with big Tech, for example Ben Shapiro said he had a phone conversation with the UA-cam president or whatever her name is. I think what Steven Crowder's trying to say, that he doesn't trust the daily wire enough not to go to big Tech, just say hey cancel this video demonetizing so we don't have to pay him(Steven Crowder). Because he knows the RIGHT loves slave labor, not if they could get away with not paying you they will.
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Who would have thought that Crowder was such an advocate to workers' rights 😂
Based Crowder
I remember the days when he'd say taking labor day off was a poor excuse to pick a business owners pocket 😂
Crowder is standing up against JM, that is good enough for me
crowdin stevenov
He’s a communist here lol
Its just incredibly arrogant of Crowder to say he knows how it can be done better, this company has been running under its model and for no reason would change for just Crowder.
And their model has held their own pretty well, even though I find their shit kind of obnoxious.
“just get a new business model!” absolutely broke me. what a moron,
Crowder is the largest conservative show online not the daily wire
@@Chevalier_knight lol that’s not correct
@@jilliansmaniotto2326who’s bigger?
I've heard Crowder talk down things like predatory contracts and now he's crying. Simply beautiful.
I think he talks about people who complain about predatory contracts AFTER taking them. To his defense, he did not take it.
Crowder is incredibly petty and manipulative. Just go look at how his ex Co stars talk about him. He's awful to work for and loves to play victim
@@frostedlambs Which ex co-stars?
liar. he has never done that.
@@Zefurion1988 So why is he complaining if he didn't take the deal? I don't understand his argument. Why couldn't he have just respectfully declined and moved on to another option? I suspect it's because he loves being controversial; it's what made him popular/famous. So he's leaning into the rebel bit. I think he cares more about being controversial than he cares about changing the culture or "standing up for the little guy."
Stephen Crowder really has a tonne of acting experience when he monologues. It's like you're watching a movie of every locker room pep talk in a B grade film when he speaks.
Oh the guy definitely has a script
he comes off as insincere and i am pretty sure he loathes people more than i do, which is hard
its so awful to listen to honestly
@@nikolastiscareno4963 yeah but you can hand anyone a script and they won't perform it like Crowder. The worst part is he's like REALLY dramatically acting out the script, really clear enunciation, highly emotive language and a sort of "call-to-arms" rhetoric, dramatic pausing, well-placed breaths and inflections. It's a masterclass in peak far right American anti-intellectualism.
@@nikolastiscareno4963I mean, that obvious, just like every other person on UA-cam should. Also the president of the USA.
"It's not about the money... its about conservativism"
But every problem you had with the contract had to do with you losing money
@@SerratedPVP
Can you tell us what Crowders business model is?
@@xEnder515 well it sounds like his business model is a subscription service and ad reads. But it doesn't really matter because either way he's taking about money
@@xEnder515 Mugclub, fans pay him, he gets to speak without worry of demonetization, therefore, freeing his speech. He wants this for future conservative content creators, what he has done I believe is out of precedent.
DW works much the same way, but they have this part about feeing you for being demonetized. So they actually care more about the money from monetization than he does.
And I don't often agree with what Crowder has to say.
@@brandonolsen579 He only asked for 30mil from DW and they put together that, in which he refused. So idk man, if you are getting nearly double what you asked for but you still say no, it's probably for another reason. EDIT: I am wrong with the figure of 30mil here and go on to admit and apologize for it in my discussion with Outta PancakeMix.
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I'm confused. Where's the business model?
That's all fine and dandy but to run a business you need a profit. What incentive does DW have giving Crowder millions of dollars if he can't make DW money.
Running a merch store isn't exactly the fresh cutting edge new business model you may think it's out to be.
Of course crowder is trying to come off as completely innocent as possible when referencing a phone call he knew was being recorded.
@Drunk Robot It's not that it's illegal, it's that he framed the conversation and edits it to be as good looking for his side as possible instead of giving the unedited tapes.
@@mikoi7472 you will act differently if you're recording a conversation compared to if you're unaware of being recorded. Such a recording says very little of the behavior of the person doing the recording, but can reveal things about the individual being recorded (however you do need to take a lot of other things into context)
@@mikoi7472 That's also why it can get him sued. Defamation is a thing. I don't know much about Law, though, so there might be something far more fitting to sue over when it comes to this. Libel? Slander?
the phone call he only released when DW lied about what was said in the call?
If they hadn't lied he would never have used it.
@@hammerhiem75 Where's the lie they said?
"It's not about the money..." Ok, Joker. Calm down.
I thought that line was from Kingpin
The left needs to adopt him quick so he can start pushing for some American healthcare
@@adrycough 😭😂
@@ChipCheerio It's about the Mets!
he even does a joker voice
26:42 Nobody should ever call Crowder now without an attorney present since he's told everyone he records his personal phone calls for evidence.
Fuck, I should not have call him and ask for weed last week 😩
Typical Christian persecution complex
Don't worry, he'll just upload the convo and end up embarrassing himself again and you'll ride the free clout wave that won't almost cost you $50M.
Its totaly fine to record in 75m$ deals, the thing is at second call he knew he wont ever accept anything and "spoke to the yt watcher" as he knew this is just played "gotcha"
Meanwhile you listen to a guy who has said a million times that he is doing the same thing
It’s time for the Daily Wire to sign the right Stephen and add another strong black woman to their cast
Seagal?
Destiny is a strong black woman
Naw they need tree😂
That would be unholy and incredibly interesting.
@Black Steve They wouldn't do that considering she and Candace have had issues from the beginning
Bruh. Crowder sounds like Mr girl in this clip.
Truth
"It isn't about the money it is about sending a message."
-Steven Crowder
-The Joker
Crowder did an entire 30 minute rant on his show how he hates how he has to pay holidays like labor day and christmas for his workers... so like its probably hell to work with this amazing business man... Sounds like the guy that will take a friday off, demand his employees still go in on that friday, then demand they come help out for a few hours the following sunday so he can put something out.
He is such a terrible and greedy business person his side-kicks repeatedly quit over and over and over because he is being greedy.
You should watch all 4 videos in length. It has nothing to do with money.. people are just idiots and think it is
@@williammasters1620 no sir, you are the idiot, because his first reply was that he wanted double the money. The second thing is that if its not about money then why can't he understand that Daily Wire would lose incomprehensible amounts of money if his show was banned on these platforms, and Crowder wants to be immune from those loses. You are simply an idiot if you take Crowder seriously... he's an absolute fucking fool. He is the personification of the Dunning Krueger effect. Watch his content on Ukraine its absolutely retarded in every way.
Also, if you are a hardcore Crowder supporter then you are probably the fucking idiot. I've enjoyed some of his comedy skits in the past, but I don't take his political arguments seriously, if you want serious conservative political arguments you would listen to the Daily wire not Crowder.
@@williammasters1620 About this drama? I have watched those, but also OP's comment had to do with a different video than related to the drama.
Regardless, I hope Crowder allows all his contracts (that he writes for creators on his platform) to be seen (if the creator agrees.) This way you can know if he actually wrote a better deal than DW.
@@originalname2709 where does it show he wanted more money?
@@originalname2709 and what about Ukraine? Because he doesn’t want to give billions of tax payers money for the 2 most corrupt countries in Europe to kill each other?
The funniest part of all this is that Crowder is being very un-capitalist, and sounding like a college socialist who expects an employer to operate at a loss by paying everyone out of the goodness of their heart, even if their employees handicap their revenue streams and bring in less money than they get paid... He also says it's not about the money but the movement, but what he's doing and expecting would absolutely hurt the movement. not only is he causing petty drama and division, but his demands would cause DW to lose growth and reach for the movement.
Not only that but I'm pretty sure Crowder and his buddies make fun of people like Kaepernick for saying that their contracts are exploitative, saying things like "tHeN jUsT dOn'T sIgN iT! LOL!".
Yeah Crowder. Stop trying to make employees better you idiot! Shill for the establishment more so that way we... that way...
Well I'm sure things will get better without people changing their positions for better ones. Eventually. Somehow.
Socialism isn't about operating at a loss but at a profit margin of 0 because the workers democraticly own the means of production. Crowder is asking for a benefactor because that's what the right wing machine is based on.
@@natediaz1863Nobody can take you seriously with your previous comments deepthroating Andrew Tate 😂 if only we could get as much pussy as you bro
@@natediaz1863 what are your financial goals Nate? What to you means you've 'made it'?
lmao turning down a contract is un-capitalist? Are you 12?
Daily Wire is 100% in the right here.. Crowder is so incredibly slimy here
I'm laughing ... I'm 71 years old and female but I'm tracking down opinions on this situation with Crowder and Jeremy Boreing. I saw your thumbnail and thought, "Let me see what this guy thinks". You had the EXACT reaction I did!!! So thank you for your support of the same understanding on this exchange between these internet heavy hitters.
Just as an aside, I have (much younger!) friends who play games like you're playing in the background. I have no clue how they are played but they insist "Little Nightmares" is something I could handle, lol. I tip my floppy old lady hat to you and the folks who can play those games that you play.
My mother is 70 and it’s an impossibility for her to turn on her computer or open an application without a 30 minute instructional phone call. The number of times I’ve had to explain the concept of a desktop and shortcuts would make any reasonably sane person’s brain melt out of their head. It’s a hellishly futile effort; an unwinnable battle. I envy your children/young friends.
Anyways… try The Sims 1 or 2. I’ve never played 3 but the first two are great for any age. Then maybe one day you can join us in Factorio ;)
@@TopSpeedKertus What a kind reply! Thank you so much. I'll take a look at Sims. Thank you.
The genre he’s playing is essentially a construction management / automation genre of game.
Its called Factorio. If you like or want something similar, I think games like RollerCoaster Tycoon are older and much simpler.
If you prefer fantasy genre, I am a fan of Dwarf Fortress myself. Steam recently added a modernized, more graphical user friendly version of that.
These games are rarely played by people outside a subset of very nerdy engineering guys like me. Haha
@@asw654 Roller Coaster Tycoon is a great suggestion! That game, Age of Empires 1 and SC were the first PC games I got for my Compaq as a kid. What's great about those old titles is that they still hold up. They're timeless. Black and White 2 is another fun top down game like the above suggestions, but if you don't want to deal with enemies then Roller Coaster Tycoon is perfect.
If you want a more puzzle oriented suggestion, I've been playing a game called Opus Magnum recently which involves building "alchemical" molecules. Like most of these games, your solutions can either be simple or you can put your engineering cap on and go for the most optimized solution.
@@asw654 Laughing! Love your comment. Thanks for being kind.
He didn't have to sign the contract? So why is he acting like he was screwed over?
It wasn't about the money it was about the bootlicking big tech norms of demonisation.
because this was all a plan to start his own media company and cut the legs out from under his biggest would-be competitor from the jump. every step of this has been calculated as hell. keep in mind, crowder registered the “stopbigcon” domain name back in december 2, weeks after talks ended… and then several months later, crowder calls up josh and records the call.
Because he’s an egotistical, entitled brat. He truly believes that he is the biggest influencer in the Conservative movement. He’s the Kim Kardashian of the right. So because he has such an inflated ego, he is insulted at the fact that he isn’t receiving the money that he feels he deserves. He wants these companies like The Daily Wire to grovel and beg for him to join their team. But he fails to realize that he is a huge liability and he is inconsistent with the content that he puts out. He wants to have his cake, eat it, and smash everyone else’s piece of cake.
Bcuz right wingers love to be aggrieved, even if that means making stuff up.
That's what I'm trying to understand !
The number of time he said “give me a call.” Truly incredible after the stunt he just pulled.
Right! Like anyone would be eager enough to call him now that he has completely tarnished his business and personal relationships. He's despicable. Idc if he thinks he is doing this for good intentions. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and he will eventually crash and burn because his arrogant behavior.
Right? “I know I just shit all over your business and you guys and recorded a phone call without your knowledge and heavily edited it to my favor but just give me a call when you want to talk.”
Crowder keeps talking about his business model as if selling a subscription to your content and merch is something that the Daily Wire does not already do. The Daily Wire happens to also have UA-cam ad revenue as another source of income though. Crowder doesn't have some secret sauce to scale up DW's subscriptions, no shot.
It's not about the money for Steven but it is for DW. The Daily Wire's top priority is to conform its beliefs to appeal to Godless liberal fortune 500 companies, that's the point. People like Nick Fuentes are far more respectable because they have nothing to lose so you know he won't hold back his thoughts or the truth.
@@edwuncleriii1922 Did you just say Nick Fuentes, the dude that himself said he hides his beliefs, is far more upfront about his beliefs?
@@edwuncleriii1922 What are you on about? "Conform its beliefs to appeal to Godless liberal fortune 500 companies?" You say that like Crowder is some rebel that is constantly fighting against UA-cam. Instead he has millions of subscribers and has no problem raking in millions of views. If he was so principled then he wouldn't even be on UA-cam in the first place and would instead either solely rely on MugClub or be on a less popular, alternative platform. Instead he wants to drag DW through the mud so he can prop himself as this "Champion of the Conservatives" when they're both fighting for the same causes.
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@@edwuncleriii1922 If it isn't about the money then why doesn't he just take the deal and just brunt the 20% revenue loss?
His whole complain is that he wants the DW to brunt the costs of HIS demonatizations. It clearly is about the money.
He's soooo self righteous my eyes are rolling so hard.
Funnily, I feel like Ben is definitely way more conservative than Crowder. It seems like Ben actually takes a more intellectual approach, believes what he says, and pushes for specific policies, whereas Crowder seems more like an airhead who's also an egomaniac who conflates his bigotry with conservatism.
@@adrycough Yeah Crowder comes across more as a frat bro. The way he openly wears a holster is so cringe.
It's obvious that Crowder doesn't like to be told no. I think The Blaze let him get away with a lot, so he expects other media companies to bow down and kiss his feet.
Steven Crowder thinks he's Dave Chapelle walking away from 50 million.
This is the best analogy! Crowder is entitled and he thinks that he’s the ish because he is one of the most controversial voices in the conservative space. He needs to eat a slice of humble pie.
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Crowder: “This isn’t about money. It’s about the movement!”
Crowder on the call: “I don’t get all my money if I get demonetized?!”
I think Crowder is a great real life example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. He has no idea what he is talking about but because he's loud and confident, some people automatically think he's a credible and smart person.
Absolutely and now that he has the image for being a man of the people because see the matrix it’s after him
He's literally been the top conservative in UA-cam since UA-cam was born.
I mean, that's not what Dunning-Kruger is.
@@aaronyayger How is it not? He apparently does not understand how typical contract law works and because he doesn't, he feels confident that he does.
@@Gaingar Your comment implies that him affecting people into thinking he's smart because he's loud is the Dunning-Kruger effect. Which it's not. The reply? Sure, absolutely is.
why does crowder always sound like hes about to cry
Well, if it barks like a dog...
Well he already has me crying...
Acting
August, make him react to Ben Shapiro's new video response. That's the only way I'm following this saga.
Yes.
Steven “run your company the way i tell you or im a slave” Crowder
Funny that he recorded these phone calls secretly and that somehow doesn't smell the same as Ethan sneakily bringing Sam on lmao.
Good point
how is recording a phone call the same thing as agreeing to debate one person and then showing up and two ppl are there and the first guy never meant to debate anyway? i hate crowder as well, but thats justs a huge whataboutism, im sorry.
@@DaFifaKid being a slimy snake makes you a slimy snake now crowder is the conservative sam seder and i wouldn't be surprised if he gets blacklisted by alot of places just like sam is blacklisted, just imagine how funny it will be when crowder finally starts his own streaming service and someone leaks his own terms im sure that will be field day full of laughs for us all, the irony of crowder making a big deal about the term "wage slave" when he made dozens of videos ragging on kaepernick for comparing the nfl to slavery is actually a chefs kiss moment he is a total hypocrite this content is GOLD
@j It's not supposed to be a one for one comparison. He's being sneaky and the OP said he hated it when Ethan was being sneaky. It's not that deep.
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I'm not afraid to admit it; buying that Talkboy is the coolest thing Crowder has ever done.
Home alone vibes.
15:55 Not only was it obvious based on how big of a company he was talking about, but he very intentionally made it as obvious as possible by making fun of Daily Wire sponsors with _extremely_ specific references. Crowder is grifting hard right now. He was _absolutely_ trying to make people know who he was talking about to drum up controversy for publicity. This is definitely planned to bring attention to him when he announces starting his own network/platform. 1000000%
Grifting is faking a position/belief for money.
@@nagual1992 Yes. And Crowder claims to be a capitalist, but is completely abandoning it right now for money. He wants everyone to be paid the full amount regardless what they do to reduce how much revenue they bring in. He sounds like a college socialist.
@@nagual1992 Also nice profile pic, I bought that same picture as a print for my brother last christmas haha.
@@niclastname For some reason YT is hiding this reply.
I don’t think it’s as deep as Crowder 180ing on capitalism. Because capitalism is just the idea that the economy belongs to private individuals, not the state or a specific class or group.
Thanks for the profile pic compliment. Lovecraft rocks.
@@nagual1992 Lovecraft does rock!
Crowder records all his calls and now he’ll have to bear with this reputation
Jeremy nailed it in his video when he said that Crowder just wants a benefactor. He wants all the money and the freedom to do/say what he wants. Obviously The Daily Wire is going to want him to stay on platforms so they can make money to pay his contract.
Yup. Crowder just wants a sponsor/investor to throw money at his business. He wants fun money so that he can do whatever he wants with the least amount of work ethic and integrity.
@@KaeBae_ Agreed. I'm not assuming any ill motives on Crowder's part. There simply doesn't exist a right-wing platform with the same traffic as UA-cam. They have to color in their lines until things like Rumble become more viable.
I agree with destiny that Crowder was never going agree to a deal. He made up his mind that he’s going create his own platform and basically burned The Daily Wire use as a launching point. He’s still going need rich investors, I can’t imagine a lot of professionals will appreciate him secretly recording and leaking a phone call.
Steven doesn't want to release the full audio of the call. That alone spells guilt in some capacity. He bullshits it away with "well there is some personal stuff" which is just a cope.
yes the personal stuff is that jeremy talked with him about his kids and how christmas went
he can't release that because he knows he comes out as evil
We've come full circle. They're finally mischaracterizing each other.
Lauren Chen revealed that while she was looking around, Daily Wire lowballed her on the initial term sheet and she walked away without renegoitating and Jeremy called her confused about it. She also got an offer from Crowder but it was HALF of DW offered in their term sheet...
LMAO
Do you have a link please?
@@beachballofdeath8888 Looks like she has removed the video, maybe got more heat than she wanted to deal with. Also turns out it was not half of DW offer, but half of the offer she eventually went with, unsure who she signed with but they either didnt lowball her or thought she was worth double what Crowder did. Also after turning down Crowder offer he supposedly distanced himself from her. Its not about business its family...
@@Basketballzrgay thing is neither chen nor crowder actually negotiated, so we don't know if dw was lowballing because dw never got the final offer stage
I love it that a small millioner self producing show is telling a multi million wide producing company which he wanted to work for that he would tell them how to get more succesful
What makes you think he ever wanted to work for the daily wire? My understanding is the daily wire made him an offer that was an embarrassingly bad. But instead of taking issue with the low balled dollar amount, he took issue with the insane and immoral (from his perspective) terms. His argument was never "this will make you more successful" it was "what the hell are you doing? You are playing right into big techs hands"
How many times does someone have to say "It isn't about the money" before those words travel from your ears to your brain?
@@grenin1010 I didnt say a word about steven looking for money... so now when we established that you are not a thinking person listen carefuly ----- in THE RECORDING steven is saying to jeremy "Maybe you should hange your buissness method, look at me how I did it without caving to big tech I can show you how" --- understand what it means??, small buissness steven crowder who doesnt have even close to the amount of success DW has is teliing the multi million buissness that he would teach them how they could be succesful without trying to get revenues from big tech --- while he apperantly for some reason does not do it for himself and become a multi millioner and using it for his dreams\aspirations and etc
@@polpol2739 Most people would directly correlate a business's success with it's bottom line. But to try to explain this with different words:
Crowder is just saying a conservative business can be successful, without selling out the core values like he claims the dailywire is doing. He's not at all saying a business ran his way would get even more successful. Just that they could still be successful without selling out their core values.
@@grenin1010 so he is saying there is a way to be extremly succesful like the DW is now but without being careful about TOS - but he doesnt know what that way is??
@@captainphoenix where did i say it was about the money?
bro really said "it's not about the money, it's about sending a message!"
Gee Ben what could go wrong with being Crowder's friend?
Tbf they've been friends for years
Lol The entitlement is crazy. Also secretly recording and posting a private phone call is beyond shady. He basically just told everyone to never trust him. If you have a phone call with him you better operate like it’s a public call.
Noooo go look at comments sections people are more understanding towards DW Steven clearly planned this whole thing. And the more I look at it the more I'm sympathetic towards DW. Because at the end of it all he is pushing his thing he wants to start. Hope he knows that at some point he will have to create contracts for others as well.
No look at stevens comments they understand this has nothing to do with the money its the censorship, steven is the largest conservative show not the daily wire its his comment section that matters
@@Chevalier_knight but how can a guy just demand another company change the way they run. He's going to start his own thing and will soon realize you can't run of good ideals. Maybe they should relook at terms. But what he is doing here is so distructive just to launch his own thing.
@@Chevalier_knight As of right now, Steven Crowder is making less money because he left The Blaze. He's out on the street right now, begging for people to throw some coins his way. He probably thought that he'd have so many offers lined up after leaving The Blaze and when that didn't happen, he started to panic. He's like a prosperity gospel pastor; telling his audience what they want to hear just so that he can prey off of their emotions and gain more clout and money.
“It’s not about the money, but I’m so upset that I’ll make less money if I fail to meet certain standards”
Very good point
If he were truly agnostic to the money he probably would’ve just said “yeah sure I don’t really care about the contract I just want to get the word out”
When people make an issue out of something but claim it’s for some other principled reason, I’ve found it’s usually because they actually have an issue with what the something is, but don’t want to admit it, and would rather hide behind a principle
The first thing he did was bitch about the money. Said he wants $30 million a year. "iT's NoT aBoUt moNeY!" Get the fuck outta here.
Yep. He says it's not about the money but literally his only problem with the terms were about the money...
Those standards can't be what DW claims to stand against. You can't fight big tech censorship while monetarily enforcing it. It's really no different from a scummy talent agency or record label. Give them a bunch of money but fine it into nothing and claim they made you famous.
@@michealball1896 They have to monetarily enforce them if that's part of your income that they're paying you for... This is basic capitalist econ. Wtf is with all the "conservatives" suddenly sounding like college socialists in this comment section, acting like an employer should keep paying an employee X amount and not cut pay when the employee does things that reduce what they bring in...? Why would DW pay him the same amount of money if he does something that reduces how much revenue he generates? Everyone seems to have dropped their support for capitalism real quick to defend Steven today...
The pinnacle of Crowders career to me is when he dressed up as Cenk and trolled him. Then he chased out his best cohost “not so gay jared”. That was the end of the entertainment value he had. He’s just not smart enough to carry a show without the silly antics.
You haven't changed my mind...
Silly antics from a comedian? 🤔
Wait what happened between him and Jared?
@@beasty108 I'm also curious
Jared left for other work opportunities. Claims that he chased Jared out are pure speculation.
Videos like this are why I tell people lots of conservatives are actually really smart. This is bull on Crowder's part and he knows it, but he's virtue signaling and is gonna be paraded around as a "hero" in these spaces for this if it goes his way.
Steven Crowder sounding like the SJWs he hates so much. He tried to bully the Daily Wire and now he's being a snowflake because they pushed back.
He’s grifter , to bad many can’t see through his Bs
A few years ago I never would've imagined seeing infighting this high up in conservative media.
I hope it's a sign.
A sign of what?
That you know who is coming for our salvation
@@Margarinetaylorgrease based
@@Margarinetaylorgrease Yep! Biden 2024!
Oh, you better believe it's a sign. The upcoming Republican primaries are gonna be juicy! Be ready to get your popcorn to enjoy then show.
To be fair, I’d feel like Crowder records every phone call.
There’s nothing wrong with recording phone calls for record keeping purposes. It becomes a big issue when you decide to selectively edit the audio and present it to millions of people to try to smear someone. That’s extremely unprofessional and just plain wrong.
I'm trying to be interested in this.. but I just can't.
Why are you not interested in this if you don't mind me asking? No hate I'm just genuinely curious
@@Gaingar Just feels like something that Crowder is milking.
@@Tero133 ohhhh yeah that makes sense. I see it more as a topic around organizations versus individuality as well as how people do not understand contractual law because they try to personalize it instead of separating the two.
I put all these clauses when i sell houses that way when someone backs out of a deal i still get $2500
Well in this deal you can be making no money while you're still beholden to the contract if you get demonetized and struck on enough platforms with TDW owning all of that content and TDW still making money on ad reads
Not sure how people aren't getting that
@@Feedmeakitten I am not going to buy expensive products without first ensuring that there is some sort of insurance / warranty that can cover it, much less for a dollar amount with several extra figures for what is essentially yelling at a camera, with the occasional appearance of a party store costume. What kind of weird communist shit is this, y'all sounding like commies now. Let's not forget Crowder was already essentially making these same videos without being paid by them. Must suck when conservatives get paid only what they're worth I guess?
@Feedmeakitten No, because if you tank your reputation whilst being a DW member and promoted on their channel, they too are likely to get demontinized. Demonetization impacts viewership (shadow banning) and therefore impacts the interest of those companies paying for ad read spots. Also, if Crowder goes off the rails with his takes, it will damage the reputation of the sponsors associated with the daily wire, they'll drop out. Soon, having you on board as a talent becomes a net negative; that's what the clause protects the company from.
Why would it be okay for Crowder to make a profit if he causes the brand he's representing to not do so? How is that a justifiable investment for them?
Imagine you're running a drop shipping business and paying for the supplier's product costs more than you make from selling it on.
@@notan3144 dude, daily wire talent have their own youtube channels, what are you talking about? And do you really think youtube ads account for that much of their ad revenue when they do 3 or 4 ad reads a show?
The lenalties are unnecessarily punitive and it's absolutely easy to make a profit off of such instances without youtube ad revenue. If they penalized less and had a clause that with enough stikes and demonetization they simply dissasociate and prorate the rest of the fee with a penalty to account for the hit TDW from setting you up and nlt getting the full value of the contract then sure. Instead they have you bring them all your value for the rest of the duration, own your content produced under them, all while you're working at a loss compared to if you could simply be released at penalty
It's a shit deal that shows their more about the profit than the movement. If someone isbdumb enough to sign that they'll take it and that shit is predatory, even if it's normal in contracting
You're acting like people are claiming there should be no penalties when nobody has made that claim, just destiny when he straw mans the point
I do somewhat admire Crowder. He's a master of manipulation. I can guarantee that his new platform Mug Club will be announced within the next month or two. I'd put money on it
You'd put money on mugclub ;)
He’s asking other people to take a pay cut “for the cause” but isn’t willing to the same it’s so transparent
I don't care about the points Crowder has made in the past.
He is just inarguably correct to criticize this contract.
DailyWire is a conservative media company. Their stance for the better part of a decade has been that the "censorship" that UA-cam and the likes engage in is EVIL. For this company to essentially staple the same terms of that censorship into their contract as an initial offer is inarguably hypocritical. It would be one thing if they began the negotiation with a low operating budget but didn't allude to enforcing EVIL policy unless the employee asked for it. But that's not what DailyWire is doing. They offer a higher operating budget, but enforce EVIL upfront. You can't be a free speech conservative that built a large portion of your fanbase on "fighting the good fight" against big tech, but then only pay out to your partners if they adhere to big tech's rules.
Again, as stated all around, the contract seems fine from a business standpoint, but it INARGUABLY contradicts DailyWire's publlicly stated agenda. This is no different than Hasan claiming to be a socialist but then making a multimillion dollar deal with a company owned by Bezos and then using the profits to buy a mansion. You can still like Hasan and still think his opinions are valid, but this behavior is inarguably against the socialist agenda. So is DailyWire's contract.
"Not about the money." Dude. You countered with a $120M, no penalties for missing work or being yanked off all platforms, counter-offer. Like hell it's not about the money. He just didn't get the deal he thinks he deserved from anywhere and he's kind of freaked out. He doesn't actually know how many people subscribed to Blaze because of him, and he left without so much as an email list. He has _no idea_ what he's worth to a company. (Not to mention, he has less than no idea how many of "his" subscribers are _already_ DW+ subs, too.)
I agree. I think Crowder was more pissed at the fact that he would have been penalized for missing shows, because he misses/delays shows A LOT. I think he just wanted to get away with the same cocky behavior that he had with The Blaze because they let him get away with a lot of crap. He was probably shocked to find out that The Daily Wire values consistency from their talent which would have meant that he would have had to work more.
Crowder is so theatrical. He acts like he's all righteous and fighting for a cause, thats because he rich af. If he was still working for a decent salary this clown would be ALLLLL bout the money.
NA in every other outlet people are seeing right through crowders bs...and this is coming from a fan
It’s interesting that Crowder has an issue with the way capitalist business operates. You can’t ignore that Facebook and Google are massive business enterprises and not political entities. Conservatives always say someone’s right to capitalize takes priority to someone’s political sensibilities. He’s expecting them to change their entire business model suddenly when they rely on UA-cam’s platform to sell their product because it could result in him losing money and then pretending it’s to protect future content creators.
Also the phone call was very disingenuous he recorded that on purpose and jumped out the window on little provocation to put it out publicly. Simply that was a rat move. He has to know DW won’t come back to him and say you know you did just try to expose our whole brand as fraudulent but you were right we are gonna do it your way. Crowder is definitely working on some kind of conservative UA-cam platform. This whole thing was performative. I can’t believe he didn’t know this was transparent.
Bruh Crowder sounds like the Joker in the dark knight “It’s not about the money, it’s about sending a message”
If DW and Crowder get back together, Hassan and Destiny can
@@testcase6997 that doesn’t mean you have to hate each other, but I think Crowder really burned that bridge. Much like Hassan burned one with Destiny
@@DougDimmaDab oh, you live that disposable lifestyle? where 1 spat ends a friendship? All of this between DW and LWC can be solved with a sit down, like men and make some public apologies and move past it. Ive got into fist fights with mufuckas that i consider my brother and we still tight as ever. this new age of humans are so fuckin weak i swear. OH NO we had an internet argument lets forever be pussy about it. this is a VERY VERY light situation. the fact that its even this big is stupid and its because people keep talkin about it instead of the 2 parties involved talking to each other.
@@DrippUP “one spat ends a friendship”
Secretly recording a “friend” and blowing it up online to hurt their multimillion dollar business is a “spat”. You just roll in from stupid town buddy? No one cares about your anecdotes of the time you pillow fought with your best friend 😂😂
Does Crowder even run his business? It seems like The Blaze just gives him a bunch of money to hire people and make his show while they actually run the business side lol
So in Stephen's mind, a platform like the Daily Wire is supposed to drop guaranteed revenue from maintaining a presence on established platforms, and just move over Rumble where they are guaranteed to lose money? And not only will they lose money, they will lose potential new viewers if they leave an open platform and go to Rumble's echo chamber.
People say it's because Crowder makes more from Mug Club. 50 million is Crowders operating costs. Both Tim Pool and the Quartering say he would make 120 million in the same time period. The penalties for demonetization add up to 110% of pay, but he's already not monetized.
Bottom line Crowder brings more money day one than the offer. Friends don't record friends true, but friends don't send predatory contracts to friends. Either it's just business or it's just friendship.
Oh boy I sure do love political infighting
Steven is such a malignant narcissist that he fully believes he's entitled to and deserving of the "word" of places like the Daily Wire that they'll structure contracts to lose them money, and then grandstands and diatribes like a moral authority when he doesn't get it. Appalling.
I'm pretty conservative, have even defended some of Crowder's provocateur moments... I have no idea what Crowder is thinking here. I mean, really?
"It's not about the money" all while his entire objection is "you're not making up for the money the channel loses when demonetized". That's his ENTIRE objection! Money *is* the entire objection!
Lauren Chen did an hour long livestream about this whole thing that was really good. She had a neutral take on it and didn't really take sides.
>When have you ever heard someone say "it's just business?"
When you break their legs for not making their payments in time?
Crowder is smart to play the “We’re all in this together” card.
I semi-disagree with the view of people not understanding business; I think a lot of people do understand business to a point, but morally don’t want to play the game of trying to get the most value out of the other party at the lowest cost to themselves (in regards to contracts). There’s a reason that there is a stereotype of the “cuthroat” businessman.
Exactly, Crowder is framing this like the Daily Wire is a cold, uncaring money-making machine, and he just wants human compassion and profit to coexist.
With regards to
Not wanting to play the game is not understanding business. You can't just not play the game. Especially if you're a conservative. That's capitalism baby
There's a reason there is a stereotype of a small hat lawyer businessman.
Nice to hear a unbiased opinion on these two parties
Like 8 years ago I liked Crowder now he is such a clown...He is so wrong on this
How is he wrong?
worst part about the clip at 6:25 is when you're only listening you have no idea that they just immediately cut right there
Sounds like a rapper vs label arguement
Because he’s Jewish?
@@Vite. Hasan is that you?
@@Vite. 😅
Notice who owns these brands doing the finessubfy
If it wasn't about the money, he wouldn't have came back with an offer
Crowder is out of his mind on this one. I’ve almost never said that. I’m a fan. But not only does he look bad here he looks downright foolish.
Naw not you being a fan 😭
You being a fan is also downright foolish
Lil bro said he's a fan of Crowder. Take this L
You should check out Friendlyjordies video on Crowder
I honestly thought destiny's fans would be more open minded but these replies suggest otherwise, anyway I'm also a fan and yeah I agree
The irony of Crowder complaining about how the capitalist model isn't more like communism is all the laugh I need for 2023.
27:35 that poor kid would be left with only 20% of 50 million dollars due to a predatory contract. How dare you DW
I always knew Steven was a snake in the grass.
The one surprising thing here is that Crowder actually seems to be losing. Looking at the comments on his own video, most of them are quite negative towards him
No they get the rights to all of his shows while they would pay him for exclusivity. He is only required to make the shows in the contract but all shows made during that period would be the DW to use in perpetuity. The contract covers the cost of crowders studio, hence DW paying for the production of the show.
Crowder tryna cosplay as Dave Chappelle
When this happened I took a visit over to Crowder's channel like I had done so many times back when I was a high school libertarian. I can't say the content has become any more respectable since then. If you watch any of the videos that is painfully apparent. Zero charitability, humor, or intelligence behind a word he or his co
-hosts say.
I was just thinking about this the other day. I can't think of a net positive that Crowder has brought to the forefront of the conservative movement. At least with the Daily Wire (whether you like how they conduct business or not), they are actively trying to make a solid impact on culture, in a strategic way. Crowder, on the other hand, just likes to ruffle feathers and stir up controversy. Sure, the Change My Mind segments have had a big influence and may have helped people think critically about their arguments, but other than that, Crowder just adds drama to everything and always finds a way to center himself in said drama.
so if I'm an NBA player and I sign a contract...they should stop paying me if I get injured and unable to make them money?
Never thought I'd see the day destiny's community supports Ben Shapiro 😆 🤣 😂
The way Crowder talks just sounds so condescending. His winey voice makes it worse, like how can he sound more annoying than Ben Shapiro 😂.
he’s got that middle school drama club delivery
This simply shows the fault in the "conservative" movement over the last several years.
It has rarely (if ever) been about unrestricted freedom of speech.
It's been about the right to an audience.
Meaning the right to have access to the audience or customers in other words.
The irony never ceases to escape their fans though.
I agree. The conservative movement is so tattered and beaten down, that anyone resembling savior-like behavior, automatically gets praised and put on a pedestal. They did it with Trump and they're doing it with Crowder. But I think it ends up back-firing on conservatives because the people who they choose to uplift are actually not that great, morally speaking, and they are typically narcissistic types who just love basking in the attention that they're receiving.
Steven Crowder: "it's not about the money"
Also Steven Crowder: "it says right here that I lose money if I devalue the whole show, that's not going to work for me. In fact, friendship aside, I'm going to publicly fuck you now. Also, and this has nothing to do with his little debacle, I will be announcing a competitive platform that will directly rival you very soon. I even purchased the "Big Con" website before that phone call with my friend that I recorded ever took place. No relationship to this tacti... I mean situation."
If you would like to understand more on that particular contact or as said a negotiation starter I would see knights watch break down its long a little over 3 hrs but it give a perspective to think about.
I never thought id say this but im on the side of the daily wire
All business calls should be recorded, if you dont record it it's your own fault.
You don't need a degree in business management to understand that leaking a contract and recording a friend call is a complete break if trust and integrity. Now business with him is always going to be highly risky
Stephen is literally arguing against free market/capitalist principles being applied to contracts????????????
I don't like Crowder, to be clear, but what he is saying that the wealthy should be willing to lose a little bit of money in order to forward their ideology.
If I am worth $100M and I lose $1M a year to forward my agenda it should be worth the loss to forward the agenda and create the change and I want to see. I disagree 100% with Crowder's politics, but I do understand what he is saying I'm this arc.
Yep, you've summed up his "principles vs. business" argument. What I think Crowder is missing is that he doesn't want to have to share in those "losses" so heavily while forwarding one's agenda/movement/ideology. Crowder likely imagines that by putting in the clause "you will share in the losses we make due to forwarding yours-and-our ideology" it is like they are punishing/disincentivizing/cowtowing-to-big-tech.
When, in reality, the DW is just articulating the fact that one needs to be pick their battles when it comes to playing on "the other side's" platforms.
Because their ideology is money and they never really think long term anymore. They do everything they can to continue the profit now.
Yeah but then he gets mad when the head of Blackrock does just that, because it's an ideology he doesn't like. But the guy is following it at cost to his company.
Secretly taping people who you plan to try to get dirt on is a scumbag move.
Ben is just mad about Crowders short shorts interview.
The fact that some folks are emotionally arguing over two multi million dollar business entities publicly defending their position on proposed contract terms is absolutely absurd.
100% crowder is only doing this, and only started this in the first place, to start his own platform. Pretty smart. Will it work? No clue I haven't seen his business model. Do I dislike him or the wire because of this "feud". I could care less. Honestly could care less either way I don't plan on subscribing to either for more than a day at a time.
body language lesson: If someone is being dishonest intentionally, they will turn their face to show their side they are most confident of. Shrugging up shoulders whilst talking is also a sign of reservedness, attempting to hide or "turtle'ing", usually with someone intentionally being dishonest or deceptive... notice how often Steven in this video performs both these actions. even at the same time. Don't get me started on the vocal inflections when he is attempting to sound sincere.
Seems that it's just a publicity stunt to start his new platform that's not beholded to big tech and "big con" bla bla bla. He is throwing his "friends" under the bus to show that they're all connected to big tech and he absolutely needs his own platform to grow the movement. You need a shit ton of publicity to start your own platform like that because otherwise people won't go to a different website just for you. But if anything is going to give them attention it's that
I agree. I think Crowder’s attempts at creating publicity stunts to motivate his viewers to abandon these social media platforms has backfired several times. He always says, “I wish I didn’t have to use UA-cam, and in a perfect world, all of my viewers would migrate over to another platform like Rumble.” And he’s tried to herd his audience over to Rumble and Mug Club by creating drama and exaggerating about getting strikes on UA-cam. He tried to do the same thing with TikTok; he had a segment a while ago where he was telling his viewers that he was trying to get banned on TikTok by making videos attacking the Chinese gov. With these stunts, he hopes that his followers are loyal enough to leave and buy into his membership program. It’s marketing 101 and it’s really sad that people don’t see the shady pattern of behavior that Steven exhibits time and time again.
I have a DailyWire subscription because I believe they will protect conservative content creators with that money. This contract tells me otherwise.
Love seeing the infighting!
Bro think he the Joker in The Dark Knight, "it's not about the money, it's about sending a message" headass
Who would've guessed that a ring wing grifter acts in the slimiest way possible in order to get another bag
someone you disagree with that makes money off his views and opinions is not a grifter.
@joeymchavarti Agreed. I disagree with Destiny on more things than I agree on and would never call him a grifter. Apparently, if you make money giving your political takes and many people agree with you then you must be a "grifter."
I've never liked Crowder, he always tries to antagonise instead of building a bridge