Cyberspace in Science Fiction
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- Spacedock delves into varying depictions of "cyberspace" in sci-fi media.
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To this day Tron: Legacy is one the best designed world settings I’ve ever seen
meditation and the rain going UP made me breathe heavy. I wish my meditation could do that. And i've been practicing for 15 years, I sit 2x day, every day
It was a real treat seeing that movie in theaters on 3D.
Fully agree
For the eyes and the ears.
And the soundtrack really left a great legacy by itself. Really looking forward how Nine Inch Nails will expand on this in Tron: Ares.
The Quarians being in suits before the migration is a great example of the filter Shepard was seeing.
As is the sanitization of the Geth's side of the story.
@@Paul-A01 Would you expect anything else though? It's very unusual to not see either side of a conflict sanitize things.
The difference between the TRON movies is that in the first Kevin gets digitized into the maninframe system of ENCOM, while in Legacy, Kevin, based on that experience, puts a small supercomputer on the basement of his arcade place and in there he codes a simulation of a society (basically a The Sims + Cities Skylines + Garry's Mod thing) and uses the digitizing beam to get inside and interact with the simulation first-hand.
Also shoutout to ghost in the shell for not only integrating it into a more physical setting while making it such a core part of it's plot and fights (at least in the manga)
LOVE me some GitS!
A whole episode of Stand Alone Complex is set in a virtual chat room. Amusingly, all of the panelists had their own character backstory sheets - one was a cop, etc. - and the scrolling chat text in front of them is fully scripted. It beat Twitch to the punch by 20 years. (And then you find out that Motoko was participating while simultaneously driving down the highway… RIP Atsuko Tanaka.)
@@CantankerousDave Talk about versatile
That's taken straight from Gibson's Neuromancer
@@CantankerousDave oh no, this is how I found out she died :( she did such a fantastic job at portraying the Major, very Vulcan-like with the balance between outward stoicism with glimmers of her true feelings.
The best thing about cyberspace is that it's the one place where the rule of cool reins supreme. After all, as long as it serves the purpose of the narrative, it can look however the creators want it to look, even including how interactions are done in it. Nothing has mass unless if you want it, invisible walls might as well be a normal thing, and it doesn't matter if neon pink katana blades grow like grass next to an endless ocean of smooth glass.
Gen:Lock - a cyberspace technology that allows compatible users to digitize their minds into the giant robots they control as if they're their own bodies and they can synchronize with each other to work together as one.
Gen:Lock... if only the second season didn't go downhill
Was it the show that Rooster Teeth tried to make after all the main people left?
@@juimymary9951 What second season? They /never/ made a second season.
Sounds like Pacific Rim
@@juimymary9951 I heard it was because the head writer of the first season got fired for mistreating the staff and had to hire a new one without giving them the rundown.
The Cyberchase kid show had an interesting take on things. Data would connect with similar data forming sites with unified themes, forming islands and stations floating in a void of data in transit.
There is a game call "Virus: The Game" where you battle virus in a virtual world design by your hard drive. The game levels take place in the user's hard drive, with files and directories being represented by 3D rooms through which the player navigates. It won't play on newer systems for that reason.
Very happy to see Reboot on this video, one of my favourite childhood shows for it's short existence and the show that I, at least partially, hold responsible for turning me into a PC nerd!
_Game:_ *OVER* _User: _*_WINS_*
hex: scsi where have you been?
Mislabeled as "Tron" from about 7:29
@@too_many_knives WHYYYYYYYY!?!?!?!~
Sadge..
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The Digital World in Digimon is an interesting variation on the Cyberspace theme. It’s a parallel universe consisting of “data” as a result of Earth’s telecommunications (including the internet) and computing tech. So it’s not a one to one cyberspace to Reality like Tron or Reboot. It’s an alien world parallel and connected to our own, one which is still linked to our technology. What happens in the Digital World can disrupt not just electronics, but also even effect things like weather.
A traditional Cyberspace also exists in Digimon - we see it in Our War Game (aka part 2 of Digimon the Movie) and Revenge of Diaboromon. This cyberspace is in more in line with traditional depictions - strange imagery, floating around in a chaotic space.
Each Digimon universe is some variation of that. Adventures is supposed to be based on deleted data from the internet while Tamers is a computer program from the 80s made by college students that evolved (for the most part) on their own. The game Digimon Survivors added a twist that Digimon are mythological spirits taken physical form because of the internet.
Plus, unlike traditional virtual worlds, you can't just reset it like a video game or a computer. That's what Ken believed in Adventure 2 as he thought doing that would bring Wormmon back.
And if I remember correctly the Digital World can also do time travel. For example, in Adventure, after defeating Etemon, Tai and Koromon ended up back in the real to the time before Tai and the others went to the Digital World.
Or like in Frontier, Takuya ended up in the Dark Terminal following his humiliating defeat at the hands of Duskmon, Dark Trailmon offered him a ride back to the Real World. Instead of actually going back, he ended up going back in time to before he even boarded the train to the Digital World. His fighting spirit was literally being drained and he was haunted by a spectral image of Duskmon. To make matters worse, he was transformed into Agunimon's Rookie form, Flamemon. To prevent this from ever happening, he tried to stop himself from boarding the train to begin with.
If you’ve ever played the game Cyber Sleuth it has what I think is the most honest portrayal of what Cyberspace could be in our world. Aside from it being a Digimon game of course. In the not so distant future The Internet gets a major upgrade with the ability for VR Spacing in the Internet. Theirs tech that allows your thoughts to move your avatar in Cyberspace allowing for more in depth movement and websites now employ a 3D space to make visiting them even more engrossing.
However this also allows for an interesting exploit for hackers as now they can not only hack in the traditional way but “physically” exploit the code as well. Giving Hackers an almost super spy level of prestige. Data stealing from individuals through the usage of hostile programs essentially amounts to mugging Avatars. Theirs no traditional ability for violence meaning for those that can break past that limitation theirs no real struggle.
@@Cyber_kumoAnd each Digital World is almost like an Alternate Server allowing traversal between them if you know how.
@@kidprime6863 In Adventure it wasn’t time travel, but time rate compression. The Digital World time is slower compared to the Real World - months in the digital world is seconds in our world. Aka Narnia Time.
Which is the source of Tai’s confusion - for him weeks had passed in the Digital World and finding himself back in the real world on the same day he left.
By the end of the series, this issue is fixed in which the time rate for both worlds are equal.
Instantly thought of Code Lyoko... after Tron, of course.
Hugh five fellow Lyokofan. Fun fact : CL's creators actually drew some inspiration from Tron.
Also huge code Lyoko's fan here. Really loved the 2D to 3d change as they enter Lyoko..
it was a great show. if you ignore episode 1 and season 5.
@@yggdrasil75 What Season five ? Franz told me Even Darwin found it was a bad evolution 😂
Code Lyoko was the bomb
I can't believe you didn't mention code lyoko, it's criminal
Lemme guess, your laptop has pink hair?
i still get chills reading Gibson's "Neuromancer" and "Mona Lisa Overdrive". THAT is cyberspace to me. And Tron, well, don't get me started..it's TRON!
This is one of the things that I love about Cyberspace and the technology in general. The merging of the digital and physical worlds for the creation of art and advancing human philosophical interests. It can produce such pleasing and thought provoking environments in media that are truly spectacular.
Props for using the ost from "Ghostrunners" this ep! Edit: and then I see the "Ghostrunners" mention at the end.
System Shock also had a neat idea of cyberspace, where various computer systems were wire-frame "rooms" with enemy programs, bits of useful data, and controls for other systems in them. They were connected by "corridors" that were sometimes only one-way. Shame mose people didn't like the gameplay there.
Also special shoutout to the Tron 2.0 game for having fun with the concept of cyberspace being a thing inside machines that exist and have properties. In one section you deal with a super-powerful killer program by having it follow you into a much older system, so it can't run as fast. In another section you "torture" a mobile device by turning on its various functions in order to drain its battery.
The Ghostrunner soundtrack is very appropriate for this topic.
in Stellaris's Machine Age DLC, Machine Empires can become fully digital entities that exist on virtual server realities and interact with the physical world in ways I kinda struggle to understand. Virtual ascendance as it is called is pretty much the Ultimate playing tall method. what I mean by "playing Tall" is to have as few physical assets as possible and making increasingly efficient use of the resources you can get from those fewer assets. basically Imagine a Civilization whose entire Civilian physical existence is all on a single planet and several orbital stations around several star systems. this Civilization, while small, due to insanely efficient use of the resources it has can field military assets that are on par with Civilizations that span dozens of world and star systems. one of the best ways to "play Tall" is virtual ascendance, have a fully colonized Ringworld, a Dyson Sphere and a Matter Decompressor. I've played such an empire and dominated the game. it can take a bit of time to build up to that point however.
Historically, a lot of people assumed people would prefer to interact with the internet via a literal cyber-space, but it seems they were wrong.
Cyberpunk predicted the internet, but they usually depicted it as a literal cyberspace, programs were not people (unless they are sentient AI programs) but they were tangible objects and machines. The word "cyberspace" comes from an early Cyberpunk story.
A lot of articles about "2nd life" seemed to suggest it would grow in popularity and possibly supplant the 2D internet, at least partially. As if we would all watch youtube by moving our virtual avatar to a theatre and having them manipulate virtual video casettes rather than just clicking a thumbnail. I suppose a chatroom with a virtual room and avatars you can see is superior to text only chat, but it is also a lot more effort.
Meta was originally envisioned as a cyberspace version of Facebook, ideally done with VR. While the parent company changed its name and was heavily reorganized, the concept of Facebook but with VR was mostly abandoned.
“Cyberspace. A consensual hallucination experienced daily by billions of legitimate operators, in every nation, by children being taught mathematical concepts... A graphic representation of data abstracted from banks of every computer in the human system. Unthinkable complexity. Lines of light ranged in the nonspace of the mind, clusters and constellations of data. Like city lights, receding...”
Another banger from Huge Iguana
To be fair. The matrix was revolutionary for the time it came out.
Assassin’s Creed Revelations: The Lost Archive DLC has kind of a mix between the normal Animus virtual reality and actually seeing the inner workings of the code that runs the Animus.
Also one of the 1990s Scooby-Doo movies did explored cyberspace to. Even the Sword Art Online anime series can be considered as cyberspace themed as well.
If you want a crazy idea of cyberspace in a futuristic sci fi setting take a look of the book series "The Culture". There exist some civilizations that still believe in corporal punishment to the extreme and basically create a copy of your consciousness to torture in cyber hell for eternity. Its pretty wild how far the author explores the societal impacts of such a system and how other civilizations with different moral codes might respond.
Nier Automata had a nice take on the concept with the hacking mechanism being a bullet hell game. You have to destroy important softwares while fending off anti malware bots.
It gets crazier in the late game but I won't spoil.
I love the subtle use of the music in the video being very similar to what you hear in the Tron Legacy movie.
7:34 Think you missattributed the source here. If that's not ReBoot, I'll eat my shorts.
The "Claptastic Voyage" sounds like Psychonauts for droids. And also kinda like getting an STD while stuck aboard a Carnival cruiser.
Honestly, I feel like if Borderlands wanted to do a BioShock, they should do a survival-horror parody aboard a Carnival cruise.
Good luck getting the license for such a thing. I suspect that Carnival would express that such an idea is insulting.
@@irystocrattakodachithatmooms Eh, they can make a parody of it.
Besides, if Carnival didn't want the reputation they have, they'd work towards earning a BETTER reputation.
@@GmodPlusWoW A parody would definitely work.
Carnival is probably banking on the ignorant and elderly.
Serial's experiment lain massively plays with the virtual and how it is disolved into reality. It is very much focused on what the virtual does to you and what it does to society in general, information transit and hysteria, people behaving differently online and irl, the way the net floods back into reality to the point where you have to wonder if a limit even exist.
It's really hard to explain lain so i'll let you watch it and fail miserably at make sense of it instead.
it asks very modern questions for a show born pre 2000
I am suddenly noting parallels between Lain and Paprika.
@@adriansue8955 satoshi kon just loooooved breaking down reality whether it's paprika, perfect blue or paranoia agent
A little surprised that Cyberpunk didn't make an appearance here.
But, like, it did
I played the Neuromancer game before I read the novel, and the game had a major influence on how I saw this stuff. Both probably could/should have been mentioned here.
I now have Some Things Never Change stuck in my head 😅. Which version did u play?
@@RIGman0497 C=64. Six 5.25” floppies!
My favourite form of Cyberspace is the one shown in the 2005 animated series titled Code Lyoko, especially the Network in Season 4 of the series
I liked how in the New Adventures of Johnny Quest was used as a setting where they showed the cyber realm was a place of unlimited possibilities. IIRC the main villain of that space was someone who was paralyzed or old and when exposed to it, he became addicted.
I read hyperspace and clicked faster than light to see if there's any b5 and Freespace references, darn you! :D
The footage starting from about 7:28 to 7:38 is mislabeled as being from Tron; it's actually from ReBoot.
Came here to say this too!
A honorable mention to the Nintendo game Disgaea, wherein one could dive into a virtual world hidden inside every item in the game world.
I just wanted to point out that even though TCP was standardised at the same time as TRON, there were plenty of several educational networks ran by various states in the US that would hook up schools to a central mainframe, where also many of the first text-based dungeon crawlers (MUDs) lived, in the late 60s and 70s.
Are MUDs still around? (Shout-out to Ancient Anguish on the Telnet protocol)
TRON LEGACY MENTIONED RAAHHHH
But not Tron 2.0...
Aww, wish you could have covered the Digital World from Digimon. Then again, there's like several different versions of it depending on the continuity. Sometimes it looks like our world, sometimes a tron esq looking world. Sometimes even a mix where it's forest's with large computer parts and circuitry dotting the area.
So Tron foresaw always online single player games? So ahead of its time.
no hyperion? that was the best representation ive ever seen
OMG, I remember watching Reboot as a kid. Man that brings back memories! Speaking of, you mislabel a scene from Reboot as being from Tron towards the end
Neuromancer and The Net 👌👌
Possibly my all time favorite interpretation of a virtual reality is the Net Force series by Tom Clancy. It was set in 2010 (I started reading them in the 90s) about basically Internet FBI. The VR worlds portrayed the internet according to how the user wanted, a river in the Bayou with websites as houses, a highway with exits as heading towards other countries, ect. I was really disappointed when 2010 passed and nothing of the sort was around.
That TCP/IP factlet is awesome. I can't imagine how I'd imagine the futuristic look of networking without that.
I remember when I was a kid seeing so many shows that revolved around the wonder of computer tech. Code Lyoko, Digimon, Reboot, etc. And it’s such a shame that wonder’s seem to have disappeared. Maybe one day it’ll get a revival
Neat seeing Re:Boot remembered
Please someone, create a company called Clicky-Clacky Keyboards.
And make them sell only mechanical keyboards to live up to the name
(The office I worked at did sound like a WW2 trench full of MGs on busy days)
There was a 1995 kids book called "Lost in Cyberspace" by Richard Peck. Did you know cyberspace lets you time travel?
The cyberpunk genre has so many cool representations of this. Neuromancer, the game, Shadowrun, etc.
I was hopeful you might bring up the animated series Pantheon in this video. While the cyberspace worlds aren't as visually interesting as say Tron on their own, the way the UIs can manipulate their environment and bend it (and other uploaded minds) to their will is something not really seen to that level in any other media. It is also my favorite series of all time, so I may be biased ;)
Pantheon is based.
The crazy thing about tron is that it was a trobled and not ultimately great movie in terms of pacing. Despit that it achieved a very difficult standard in fantasy: it felt epic.
Another cool example is The Shape from the game Frozen Synapse. Everything about it, including its interaction with the real world, is incredibly vague and mysterious, which adds a ton of depth to the world. It also has that original Tron look to it, and is the explanation behind your XCOM-like ability to plan everything out in slow motion.
The show Pantheon has a really good on a cyberspace/world
MINOR MISTAKE: at 7:36 that's Reboot not Tron
Great job otherwise.
No VR Troopers? Okay...
My favorite PBS show was Cyberchase.
"The New Adventures of Jonhy Quest" was my first contact with the concept of cyberspace, then came Digimon, Matrix and finally reading Neuromancer and the Sprawl Trilogy that gave rise to it all. And lastly I watched Tron Legacy.
ARE YOU KIDDING I JUST WATCHED TRON LEGACY LAST NIGHT CMON SPACEDOCK
If you’ve ever played the game Cyber Sleuth it has what I think is the most honest portrayal of what Cyberspace could be. Aside from it being a Digimon game of course. In the not so distant future The Internet gets a major upgrade with the ability for VR Spacing in the Internet. Theirs tech that allows your thoughts to move your avatar in Cyberspace allowing for more in depth movement and websites now employ a 3D space to make visiting them even more engrossing.
However this also allows for an interesting exploit for hackers as now they can not only hack in the traditional way but “physically” exploit the code as well. Giving Hackers an almost super spy level of prestige. Data stealing from individuals through the usage of hostile programs essentially amounts to mugging Avatars. Theirs no traditional ability for violence meaning for those that can break past that limitation theirs no real struggle
Rhinox hacking Blackarachnia's mind looks kinda basic by today's standards I guess.
It is nice to see the channel acknowledge Reboot though.
I wonder if 'H' has seen War Planets ?
No mention of Digimon? Sadness
4:00 nice catch!
That Geth segment is heartbreaking. As they say in writing: don't tell, show.
No system shock reference, tsk tsk
While it's a love-it/hate-it game series, need to shout out about a mission in Saints Roll 3 and all of Saints Roll 4 in which the player is immerged into a cyberspace environment.
Might want to check those out as well.
Missed the BSG spin off series which had cyberspace at it's heart 'Caprica'
The representation of cyberspace in the anime Serial Experiments Lain are maybe my favorite next to Tron. It's a highly stylized setting, and not as fully fleshed out as some of the others, but it's a key part of the series, and really drives some of the bigger world home.
to bad you didn't use any scenes from andromeda tv show, its idea for cyberspace was interesting and could you do a breakdown of the andromeda ascendant
It's funny that cyberspace is basically a skeuomorph now. XD
Wow, it’s like they don’t know that the game TRON2.0 exists. It was a game sequel that’s more in line with the original than Legacy was. Wendy Carlos did the music, and Bruce Boxleitner and Cindy Morgan are both in it.
It's funny. When I think of OG Tron I imagine it as the art style of Tron Legacy. Being reminded how primative the original Tron was is a WTF moment. Also, thanks for putting the clip from Reboot in the video. It was a great hit of nosteglia.
A fun example is the various interpretations of the Vex network in Destiny. Especially in the season of the splicer, the typical Vex blocky structures with the bright synthwave colours were a treat for the eyes.
My current favorite cyberspace has to be The MurderBot Diaries. Utterly suffuses the world it lives in, and lavishly described, but nonphysical in a way that is packed with versmilitude
To me the ultimate cyberspace is the Animus in the Assassin's Creed franchise.
Or the Matrix.
Surprised to see Megaman not mentioned at all
@@irishguy051 Yeah, that franchise at it's fair share of Cyberspace elements. Especially Battle Network and Star Force.
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I love the Rectifier.
No Megaman Battle Network references?! That was like the only example of cyberspace I knew of other than Tron. 😭
In any case, I like the idea of cyberspace as a VR or AR world where people can interact, sorta like an MMO game but not necessarily only for entertainment. Imagine being able to host a meeting with anyone from anywhere, and being able to look like anyone & project 3D images, environments, etc. to better demonstrate your ideas. Even without a group, it could become very useful to not only create the things you imagine but also to explore them with all your senses. I imagine movies, games, military or scientific training exercises, etc. would become a lot more immersive.
I am re-watching the Prisoner atm as it appeared on the ITV app. Its very interesting to speculate if it is in fact a cyberspace he's in, but back then the idea was barely conceptualised nevermind publicly understood
Tank Universal is a game that looks like the original Tron, it's a good callback. I noticed that that one ship actually looks pretty much identical to the ships in that game. Tank Universal even has the whole thing of what happens in cyberspace effects the real world, that being with a kid uploading a virus having his computer fried in the first game. Fried to the extent smoke is coming out of it.
The Sprawl...if not for Neuromancer, there would be no visualization for all the said environments and interactions we all know. NOW.
I always thought Cyberpunk’s take on cyberspace was fascinating with the black wall and hostile AI’s essentially cutting humanity off from vast amounts of knowledge.
I like how it takes the Gibsonesque vision of cyberspace, which is super cool, but also quite old, and it makes it old within the setting itself. Neuromancer style cyberspace is a future which was canceled, and it has become its own ecosystem where humans are not welcome, while the modern net is pretty much our current Internet with some augmented reality
Im glad you showed it in the video but Reboot deserved more of a mention.
You don't really _go inside_ it except for the final dungeon of the 3rd game, but the cyberworld from the Battle Network series certainly qualifies. It's literally an entire _universe_ in there, depicted even more so in the anime as an outright parallel of the "real" world. NetNavis are as sentient as their Operators, acting as equals and friends, and things that happen in one world affect the other quite often. It's also, arguably, the closest thing in science fiction to *_our_* world, as though we don't have sentient program companions, stuff that happens on the internet has very real effects on the physical world (hi CrowdStrike!), smartphones are essentially PETs with a better interface, and netcrime pretty much runs rampant.
The Otherland novels by Tad Williams also had some fascinating early ideas on virtual worlds and online communities.
A couple of cyper space like settings that I like are the Vex Network feom the Destiny Franchise and the Digital World from Digimon.
Vex Network is a more traditional looking cyberspace, but captures the vastness of a hive mind network rather well.
And where the Digital World in Digimon is cool for how it differs from most other Cyber Spaces. Looking more like it's own world evloved similar to our own, but it still has some of those tell tale signs of it being a cyper space. Including circuit board lines on things, pixelization in areas like the sky, and even bits of random data floating around.
the precursor/forerunner domain from halo is really interesting since it is not really a cyberspace at all given it is built on the fictional neural physics that is essentially sci fi magic in halo; yet it still functionally acts as a 'cyberspace' albeit one that is galaxy spanning and semi-sentient in itself
What I find enthralling is the idea of how the cyberworld will be used in the day-to-day life.
Things like working and partying, tourism and studying are obvious.
But other aspects need to be explored: It seems obvious that there'll be a tiered access system for it. Some resources will only be available for those willing -and able - to pay extra. But what resources will those be?
And what other new features, new business and entertainment, will be introduced by the advent of cyberworld?
Maybe people will make anthropological sutides based on people living completely inside the cyberworld for extended periods of time, coexisting with AIs? Maybe there'll be a new form of tourism in which you travel throught the Caribean as a dolphin, or visitthe Grand Canyon as an eagle?
I'd like to see ideas like those explored more extensively in science fiction, but the best I saw about that was the short lived Caprica. And it barely scratched the surface.
No mention of Shadowrun, System Shock, TRON 2.0, Serial Experiments Lain, and Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex? Also, appreciate seeing ReBoot, though I wish it ended on Season 3, if not made a better and more conclusive Season 4.
@@UniversalCipher Or just have it end with Daemon Rising and remove the ending that featured the fake Bob
@@kidprime6863 No, there's still a feeling of an unresolved, bitter cliffhanger even if one does that.
Excellent.
Not sure if it counts, but my favorite “painting the medium” moment(s) is when Sword Art Online Abridged shows their digital game world glitching out due to poor maintenance.
me seeing the title: "I hope he mention Ghost Runner!"
Spacedock:don't mention Ghost Runner, but use the music during the whole video.
me: =D
Video just started and it's already playing CyberVoid music from Ghostrunner; this I like.
Imagine a cross between Cyberspace and Hyperspace Is A Scary Place. The internet goes through hell.
No mention of Johnny Mnemonic either. While very little screen time was dedicated to the cyberspace aspect, it still had it.
Woah, here within an hour of the upload.
One of my favorite versions of a cyberspace is from the Megaman.EXE universe, its a entire universe made of data that exists parallel to the normal world. Also i of course love Digimon and how its a unique take on things as well.
It seems strange to talk about cyberspace without even bringing up Neuromancer
Some of the Reboot shots are labeled as Tron.