Does Auto Stop Start System Damage Your Engine? ECO Savior Or Car Killer? 🚗

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  • @nashaecreary3892
    @nashaecreary3892 9 місяців тому +29

    I drive a turbo diesel with a stop/start system, I always switch it off for the fear of having the engine shut off while the turbo is hot. My turbo is not water cooled so i dont want to take the chance. Plus we cant blindly trust in manufacturers to build parts that will last a very long time. Many say components will last the life of the vehicle, for all we know, the life of the vehicle could be 8 years or less. Idk, because idling too long is a risk, constant stop start is a risk. Best solution to me is just keep up on top of maintenance and hope for the best.

    • @ncopp4358
      @ncopp4358 9 місяців тому +2

      Its only bad if you idle for hours at a time. Other than that, yeah shutting the motor down while the turbo is screaming hot just cooks the oil inside of it. Then you get sludge and everything just falls apart, at least on the Hyundais. They suffer the most, my mothers palasaide started burning oil after about 40k miles. Did a compression test and cylinders 3, 4, 5, and 6 were DONE.

    • @torquecars
      @torquecars  9 місяців тому

      The oil sludge in the hot turbo is also a VW group thing and I'm sure lots of others without water cooled turbos have similar problems.

    • @ncopp4358
      @ncopp4358 9 місяців тому

      @@torquecars oh definitely. Especially in the b5 series. The design was pretty horrendous with the fact they only recommended blended oil and the oil pickup which frequently clogged pretty much meant you had to lift the motor out of the frame since that was the only way you could access the pan. I saw some people drill a hole in the pan with a hole saw to get to the pick up LOL 😂

  • @brianaslett4154
    @brianaslett4154 9 місяців тому +9

    I have a Mini Cooper with stop/start. The first battery lasted just over two years and was replaced under the service plan. Since then I always turn off the stop/start function and the new battery has lasted 5 years so far with no problem. Yes, it is a larger battery - 70Ah with a very high cold cranking current spec, but it didn't last.

  • @keithej2
    @keithej2 9 місяців тому +3

    My F150 2.7 turbo would shut off at red lights just 1 mile from home. The windshield wasn't even completely defrosted yet. Made my own heavy duty trailer harness with two large power resisters which mimic trailer brake lights. Truck thinks I'm always towing and stop/start is always disabled. Other benefits, 1. Blinks 5 times vs 3 when you tap the blinker stalk. 2. Charges my aux AGM battery in the bed (canopy/topper mini camper) via spliced trailer battery wire.
    My 8 year old starter AGM battery was still starting the truck normally when I recently replaced it due to battery saver function always activating when I turned off the ignition and wanted to listen to the radio.

  • @Malachor8091
    @Malachor8091 6 місяців тому +15

    When i start my 2024 Silverado, i start the vehicle, put on my seatbelt, and immediately disable the start/stop. Its now in muscle memory.

  • @billquattlebaum1577
    @billquattlebaum1577 Місяць тому +3

    I don't like stop/start. Most of the time I turn it off. The bad thing is you have to remember to turn it off every time you start the vehicle. In a rural area like I live in there is really not much benefit to have it. Also, many times after it turns off the engine the light turns green within a few seconds. It makes buying a vehicle more expensive and I believe over time it will cause repairs to be made.

  • @regbarnard2866
    @regbarnard2866 9 місяців тому +3

    Allegedly some cars ECU keep track of the number on starts a starter motor has done and flags it as needing to be replaced.

  • @dominicanwar363
    @dominicanwar363 9 місяців тому +18

    Apples to oranges. You over-engineer a starter motor (which should have been done 50 years ago). Of course it lasts longer now. Second point, Fuel in engine oil. Every stop-start system has more. Is that really a 'green solution'? 3rd point, the 1 second extra it takes to pull away at traffic lights means someone else behind is trapped on a red light. Do they have stop-start?
    4th point. You are carrying additional battery WEIGHT, and where does the electrolyte and cells come from exactly? (not very green is it?). 4th point, the smaller engines get, the more boost turbos have to make. Heat soak in a hight pressure turbo is the reason why we all bought a turbo timer to keep the engine running to provide oil to the bearings. Stop-start is political and not physical, just like electric vehicles. It might slightly reduce emissions in built up areas at the expense of emissions, engine wear, cost, service, everywhere else.

    • @torquecars
      @torquecars  9 місяців тому +2

      You make some exceptional points there my friend. On point 3 I would like to add it depends on the car. I've driven some that start as soon as the car in front starts moving (2023 Audi A3 with adaptive cruise control), and my own older A3's engine is back on before I've lifted the clutch to pull away it really is almost instant. But I guess the key here is almost.
      There are two many green solutions out there that when you dissect it are actually worse in terms of emissions.
      If only we could keep our cars for 25 years and not have to keep replacing them, they may guzzle the gas but I bet that still outweighs the cost of production and shipping on a new car.

    • @hamiltoncouple01
      @hamiltoncouple01 4 місяці тому +4

      Exactly, political. Modern cars are absolute garbage.

    • @dony210
      @dony210 2 місяці тому

      my thoughts as well. Active lubrication is always better than passive.

  • @torquecars
    @torquecars  9 місяців тому +7

    What do you think about stop start technology? Do you disable it all of the time, some of the time, or just leave it on to do it's think. How clever is the stop start setup on your car?

    • @tahani11
      @tahani11 9 місяців тому +1

      I disable it (Petrol Engine)

    • @weatherwatcher5303
      @weatherwatcher5303 9 місяців тому +1

      I disable it straight away

    • @covertnarcisisticawareness1025
      @covertnarcisisticawareness1025 9 місяців тому +1

      I d disable it period!

    • @aspecreviews
      @aspecreviews 6 місяців тому

      My 2002 Prius is far more annoying vibrating away at idle for no reason than when it cuts off.

    • @drizler
      @drizler 2 місяці тому +1

      I shut the cursed thing off every time I get in my 19 F 150 Most of the time I take an old trailer plug and shove it in during the dry months which turns the garbage off. It does shut off the backup guidance lines but I can live with that. There’s just something about shutting down turbos and considering those tiny fine screened oil inlet filters that rubs me the wrong way. You just don’t do that with turbocharged engines even if the manufacturer says it’s ok. Why, because they will happily lie to your face if Big Brother says to and you can’t trust either of them as far as you can chuck them. Gov is ruled by activist number crunchers who have no concern for your well being while manufacturers just want to sell more overpriced things.

  • @mrbutch308
    @mrbutch308 3 місяці тому +2

    Good explanation for those of us who are not experts on automobile engines. At first I hated the Start/Stop system on my new car, but now I accept it. When driving within the city I temporarily disable the system by just pressing a button.

  • @bradscott3049
    @bradscott3049 2 місяці тому +1

    I’m very happy with my first start/stop system which is on a 2023 Honda C-RV. I agree that the computer does a good job of determining when to use it and that Honda makes it easy to turn off which I do when I can see ahead the potential for a series of short on and offs. On the other hand, I appreciate it turning off the engine for some of the longer stops I have. The time to restart has not been an issue for me and on those rare occasions when I want to drive away quickly I have three workarounds. 1) Use auto brake and keep my foot on the accelerator. 2) Ease off on the brake and the engine will restart. 3) Turn off the auto start/stop while stopped and the engine will restart immediately.

  • @sizif717
    @sizif717 5 місяців тому +6

    The best thing about this system is that button that switches it off. The only thing I hope is that the previous owner has done the same thing or has not done much driving using it, hopefully I got it with only 29K miles.

  • @Mr6384
    @Mr6384 4 дні тому

    i’m really not sure how I feel about the system. I’m old enough to remember back in 78 when Buick first came out with the turbos in some of their cars and in those owners manuals it would tell the owner to idle the car for 4 to 5 minutes before shutting it off completely. Obviously we’re far much more advanced in our computer technology today. I did ask the dealer about it. One person says use it. One person says don’t use it. I think you make a good point though that if you’ve done some freeway driving and you pull off the offramp and it wants to immediately shut off that’s when I would disable it. I guess I’ll leave mine alone since it’s under warranty for now.

  • @everydaycommuter
    @everydaycommuter 9 місяців тому +2

    A friend of my rented a car with stop start. He said he almost took it back because it kept stalling. Wouldn’t that be embarrassing.

  • @TrueSkyl1n3
    @TrueSkyl1n3 9 місяців тому +2

    If I find definitive evidence of extra wear over idling on a modern engine due to Stop/Start I’ll disable it via the ECU pronto.

  • @leewatkeys9065
    @leewatkeys9065 9 місяців тому +1

    Interesting takes on both options. My wife’s Disco sport has it and the first time it kicks in I remember to switch it off. Usually top of the road on an incline with a blind entrance where you have to boot it and to have it switch off is frustrating and potentially dangerous. Take what you say about over engineering but think all the electrical tubings on modern cars will knock batteries out faster than without. Keep up the good content 👍🏻

    • @KlKl-yq9ud
      @KlKl-yq9ud 4 місяці тому

      @@leewatkeys9065 i have an Ecosport. Mine kicks every time i press the gas pedal. If you know how to fix it please let me know.

  • @johnhickton2922
    @johnhickton2922 2 місяці тому

    I drove a SEAT Ibiza automatic recently and it did not appear to have a button to disable stop/start. Handbook said the way to prevent it kicking in was to only press the footbrake lightly when coming to a halt. It sort of worked, when it was practical to do so, but seemed rather ridiculous not being sure of the engine was going to cut out or not.Handbook did have a picture showing that on a manual Ibiza there is a button to disable stop/start!

  • @mickymouse6399
    @mickymouse6399 2 місяці тому +1

    Interesting Video thanks for the info. I have had two new cars with Stop Start, a Range Rover Sport Diesel and a Ford Fiesta "Eco-Tech" Petrol. On Both I always switched the system off as soon as I jumped in the Left Hand Seat. Now after 3 years the Fiesta Stop Start has packed up (low Battery I suspect) so I don't have to switch it off any more. Yipee..... Result!!

    • @mickymouse6399
      @mickymouse6399 2 місяці тому

      Cocked that up, should have been Right Hand Seat......

  • @justinmilsom7990
    @justinmilsom7990 9 місяців тому +1

    I turn mine off as I've found I get better economy with it still on idle at the lights and junctions. Plus I feel it doesn't do the starter motor any good because they aren't heavy duty and not really designed to constantly keep starting an engine. Just my thoughts and it works for me.

  • @barrythomas529
    @barrythomas529 4 місяці тому +3

    2022 Honda crv idle start stop. Saves 50 cents worth of gas. Wearing the starter out. To replace the Starter depending on parts.$600,00 to $1100.00

  • @williamerwin8329
    @williamerwin8329 9 місяців тому +3

    My start stop ford eco boost has just cost me 4k for a new engine as the turbo failed due to lack of oil, constant stop starting.

    • @torquecars
      @torquecars  9 місяців тому

      Sorry to hear that so I guess you make a point of switching it off or disabling it. I'll be interested to hear from others with Eco Boost engines on this topic.

    • @Gazshadows
      @Gazshadows 8 місяців тому +2

      You'll probably find with the Ecoboost that it won't be because of the Stop/Start tech that you had lack of oil.. the wet belts are notorious for breaking up and eventually blocking the gauze on the oil pump which in turn kills the engine/turbo.

    • @mickymouse6399
      @mickymouse6399 2 місяці тому

      Be interesting if you could let us know how many miles the car has done and how old old it is, both have and impact on Cam Belt life.

  • @maksim82tallin
    @maksim82tallin 13 днів тому

    Skoda octavia 2022. Start/stop always on. 70 000 km. -25 to +30 celsius tem range. No problems at all

  • @SamRimo
    @SamRimo 3 місяці тому

    I don't mind having the stop/start system on in a manual because it only activates when the clutch is released in neutral. I'll only ever do that if I'm waiting at lights for more than a moment. In other cases like queuing at a rounddabout the engine will keep running and be ready to go provided it's in gear

  • @jesusrv2009
    @jesusrv2009 9 місяців тому +1

    I had it permanent switched off with OBDEleven

  • @brycebrown1
    @brycebrown1 4 місяці тому

    The ring gear in my BMW diesel just separated from the flex plate. I have disabled stop start but one of the rare times I used eco pro mode the other day, I encountered road works, engine stopped (always freaks me out) so I put it back into comfort, engine started, a few days later the flywheel threw a wobbly. Mechanic says it must have occurred when starter has engaged recently.... hmmm.

  • @saulgoodman124
    @saulgoodman124 2 місяці тому

    Hi, I saw your entire channel does not have any video of 1.0 TSI engine. Can you please consider making one on that? Thanks!

  • @eddiejones.redvees
    @eddiejones.redvees 16 днів тому

    I have just replaced my battery in my 2015 1.6 diesel Astra it was the original one but the stop start system stopped working 2y ago but the engine was taking longer to start up it was cranking over slower and I did not want to be stranded in the colder weather I had the glow plus replacing last year luckily they were not the pressure sensor type the car is running and starting a lot better with the new battery which controls the computers which tell the fuel indicators when to open so now mine are getting the writing amount of voltage now also the headlights or a lot brighter the stop starts is also working but the engine being a diesel shoulders on start up so unless I am in a long very slow moving traffic I will turn it off

  • @danedaniels3686
    @danedaniels3686 3 місяці тому

    Auto stop starts damages many parts of your engine, Modern Auto stop start uses a compression start from the GDI injectors. So don’t worry about your stater motor. Things to be concerned about. Everytime your stops it experiences heat soak which causes carbon build up. The PVC system sucks excess vapor from your crank case which contains vaporized oil. Use a very high quality oil and changed it every 5k miles or once a year what ever comes first.This is even more detriments if your car has a turbo charger on it which is oil cooled. The turbo bearing spins at very high speeds. Old school Turbo guys knew to let the engine run for a few minutes to allow the oil to cool the bearing. Auto stop start shits down the engine allowing the oil in the bearing to turn into carbon eventually destroying the bearing. The most strain on your value train occurred during starts even when at operation temperature.. This wears out cam belts and chains. If these fail it will cause severe engine damage.

  • @andrzejbielecki8080
    @andrzejbielecki8080 3 дні тому

    Well. Trucks do not have this thing onboard. My car had it, not anymore

  • @dj_efk
    @dj_efk 2 місяці тому

    - Project Farm on his YT video on this found via scientific analysis of oil samples that synthetic engine oil can go 18 months in the engine no problem, if the miles done are low.
    Personally on my VAG TDI powered cars I change the oil every 7500 miles. Most of their miles are longer journeys and both have done between 100-200k miles.

  • @weatherwatcher5303
    @weatherwatcher5303 9 місяців тому

    I absolutely hate the stop start system will create more wear and will notice in the longer term, also what do you think of forte engine oil treatment for oil burning? Thanks 🙏

  • @kyproset
    @kyproset 11 днів тому

    I disable it before I even fire up the engine.

  • @christis1975a
    @christis1975a 5 місяців тому

    What about on 48V mild hybrid car like Mercedes gla35 ? Does anyone knows ? On my old Mercedes yes I always switch it off .

  • @DeanSmith3935
    @DeanSmith3935 9 місяців тому +4

    I just keep turning it off..annoying eco crap thats not needed and probably isn't doing your car any good.

  • @angowT
    @angowT Місяць тому

    It killed the auxiliary on my Wrangler Rubicon, i was at a junction, It stopped and wouldn't start again. Dangerous, embarrassing, hugely inconvenient and expensive. It's permanently off now!

  • @TonyHammer61
    @TonyHammer61 9 місяців тому

    I am having an issue with oil dilution in my 2017 Range Rover 4.4 SD V8. Do you think switching off the Auto Stop/Start would help to reduce or stop it happening?

    • @torquecars
      @torquecars  9 місяців тому

      Do you do lots of short journeys? Those engines take a while to properly warm up and during warm up they are dumping a lot of moisture into the oil. Getting the engine properly warm is a good idea and if stop start is preventing this then I would certainly consider turning it off.

    • @hicnar
      @hicnar 4 місяці тому

      @@torquecars What kind of moisture are you talking about? The mechanism of getting engine oil diluted in diesel engines has absolutely nothing to do with with some unspecified "moisture" in the oil, where did you get that one 😀 It is failed DPF regeneration cycles that dump not fully burnt fuel in the oil, fuel that gets injected into the DPF filter to burn the particles. It will happen if the engine stops in the middle of the DPF regen cycle and modern start stop systems are certainly designed not to stop the engine in the middle of a regen cycles. Lots of short trips definitely contributes to oil dilution, if that's how you mainly use the car, sell it and get a petrol one.

    • @torquecars
      @torquecars  4 місяці тому

      I will try to use a word that is more specific though as moisture is often thought of as water.
      Moisture Definition: water or other liquid diffused in a small quantity as vapour.
      This would obviously include fuel. Interestingly when you put a catch can on these you'll notice a lot of liquid building up when you do short journeys, this is not fuel but a by product of the combustion process and this often ends up in the oil, but in most cases will evaporate away when you get a decent amount of heat in the engine.
      I have actually just shot a video on oil dilution as i thought that was an interesting subject so when I've edited it and published it please let me know your thoughts on it - I'm always striving to improve my knowledge and then share this with the community.

    • @petertrznadel8107
      @petertrznadel8107 3 місяці тому

      @@TonyHammer61 dilution with fuel ? It won’t be the stop/start try having your fuel system checked and the injectors tested, cleaned or replaced.

  • @Razzman-bv5qc
    @Razzman-bv5qc 4 місяці тому

    Wish everybody had stop/start, then I don't have to sit in stalled traffic or at red lights breathing in all the exhaust fumes from all the poorly maintained and smoky cars around me, that the ventilation/A/c is pulling in..

  • @Toms-will
    @Toms-will Місяць тому

    Can a stop start battery be used in non stop start engine?

    • @torquecars
      @torquecars  Місяць тому

      Yes, they are able to provide the power needed but over longer periods of time and cope with high loads. They both output 12V which is what a car needs, but a stop start car will quickly kill a normal battery due to the extra cranking demand it places and the load from the car electronics when the engine is off.
      Sadly it won't add any power or make the car go faster.

    • @Toms-will
      @Toms-will Місяць тому

      @@torquecars will a stop start battery be okay to use in a car that’s not stop start?

  • @gefleigh4264
    @gefleigh4264 15 днів тому

    Yes i hate it,I'd have it by passed but its not viable.

  • @douglasflandermeyer1659
    @douglasflandermeyer1659 8 днів тому

    Modern designs...... Modern designs....... Do more or less engines crater with relatively low miles, with or without stop start? Its not even close.

  • @ciupacabraciupacabra6442
    @ciupacabraciupacabra6442 Місяць тому

    Lord of the rings 💍 my precious 😂😂😂

  • @hamiltoncouple01
    @hamiltoncouple01 4 місяці тому +1

    Absolutely dumbest invention. Just imagine how often you’ll be changing that starter, lol. Engines are not over engineered but manufacturers spend millions on studies that can design engines parts that last till the warranty runs out then brake downs are expected as that’s where the money is made, in repairs.

  • @bm_wuratli6883
    @bm_wuratli6883 8 місяців тому

    that not true partialy politic forced to make enginer stop star engine so basicaly is a nono for me

  • @lesklower7281
    @lesklower7281 9 місяців тому

    I have never l owned a motor vehicle or own any vehicle with a stop start system just like to point out a starter motor has only a certain number of cycles before it will fail as most cars are are automatic now you are pretty well stuffed if your starter motor fails were in a manual if you are on a slope you can start it l have replaced many starter motors in many of my vehicles l have owned and replaced many batteries as for engine wear with a stop start system the car is warmed up when the engine is stopped its not a big deal

  • @thelonewolf666
    @thelonewolf666 Місяць тому +2

    its bullshit--- it saves 2 cents in fuel a year but stuffs a 300 dllar battery in 18 months--- disable it

  • @hangemhigh7069
    @hangemhigh7069 6 місяців тому +2

    Why we pay extra for this shite?😮

  • @stephenbrown9998
    @stephenbrown9998 9 місяців тому +1

    Just don’t believe it sorry

    • @torquecars
      @torquecars  9 місяців тому +1

      You Don't believe it does or doesn't cause damage? Please don't apologize, I've learned that people all have very different experiences with cars and car problems and by hearing as many points of view as possible we can have a more rounded out opinion.

    • @Mr6384
      @Mr6384 2 місяці тому

      I too am curious. We had it on our 22 Silverado but I turned it off because, to me anyway, that engine already had the cylinder deactivate, so why add more stress onto it.
      Now we own something we've never owned before a Nissan Rogue with the 1.5 turbo 3 cylinder.
      I'm playing with the system; that is I'm keeping close fuel economy lists checking whether or not it helps. Plus I'm rereading the warranty closely to see what, if anything, is covered.
      I'm never too old to learn and like you're videos and the comments