Ben Simmons has lost all credibility - Tim Legler | First Take
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- Опубліковано 24 кві 2022
- On First Take, Tim Legler, Jay Williams and Stephen A. Smith react to Ben Simmons missing Game 4, how his teammates should feel, does Simmons have anymore credibility and more.
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The reaction jwill had when molly once again said something irrelevant was priceless 😂😂
J Will finally knows what Max went through all those years.
if bee shut up had a face
she has no clue
Molly said something dumb once again getting into her "emotions" and not understanding what J and Legler are talking about.
She was so mad 😂
This is Killing Jwill because He COULD NOT play anymore.. compared to Simmons who WONT play by choice.
JWill's downfall was his own choice. The Bulls didn't have to pay him and they still did too
@@lifeisbutamoment I think you kinda missed the point there
@@Kali-Ikigai he did.
@@lifeisbutamoment 🤡🤡🤡
@@publicenemygelo6204 🤡🤡🤡
Not always a fan of JWill's takes, but he is speaking from the heart here, this is a good segment here. It's almost as if JWill is pained by this whole incident
Cuz jwill’s career was taken for real. he probably still wants to ball till this day. Then look at Ben.
@@Pasuhdina exactly.
@@Pasuhdina facts
Man would have had a heck of a career he hadn't gotten racked up in that motorcycle accident. So yeah he can relate about loss etc.
@PASUHDENA spot on. Imagine if JWill had a long career. Straight dawg
Surprised Stephen A. was able to get through 3 minutes without interrupting anybody
😂😂
Unfortunately, the same can't be said about Molly 🤦♂️
I was grateful the video ended right before he was going to ruin it w. his garbage takes.
Ben Simmons sit and pee.....STOP HURING HIS FEELINGS!
I remember Mike Miller playing with severe back pain where he couldn't sit down. Ben Simmons doesn't care.
Facts... dude could barely run up and down the court but he gutted out for the team
and larry bird to name a couple
@@koolsmoothfan facts.. larry played years on a bad back
@@edwardfisher9930 Bird's back was so bad the last couple years he sometimes had to be in traction in the hours leading up to games and then they'd manipulate his spine so it could possibly go three or four hours without locking up...which was excrutiatingly painful for him....watch that Celtics-Pacers playoff game (where he also busted his cheekbone on the floor of Boston Garden) and look at when Chuck Person gives Bird a double forearm shot in the middle of his back....he goes down instantly....but gets on back up...and he didn't even have anything to prove at that point in his career.
@@KClouisville I remember seeing Larry lying on his stomach on the sidelines to be comfortable.
Ben in the locker room: “Yo, all we got to do is set more screens and run pick and pop better, y’all keep your heads up WE gon get through this”
Everyone else in the locker room: “SHUT THE FCK UP FOREVER”
😂😂 @ FOREVER!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Man I needed this laugh thank you !!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The only time I've agreed with Jay.
Simmons loves everything except the game
At that level it’s a job. I shouldn’t have to show everybody at the office that I “LOVE” sales marketing. I just have to do my job when it’s time to do my job. And I shouldn’t have to be second guessed about my job by the way I “dress”🙄
Ben Simmons is the dude I think all nba players talk about when they talk about dudes who don’t love the game and just play because they can
Ben Simmons have been playing red flags since his LSU days
You’re wrong bud
When Draymond said this on the podcast I thought of Ben Simmons
It's a disgrace, dude just born with all the gifts and literally doesn't bother, puts in the bare minimum everywhere he goes. He's the example of talent vs hard work
@@Cryptum404 No he’s not, dude has been quitting on teams since LSU
Philly is now accepting apologies from Brooklyn fans
No they will be in the same boat the next few days
@@gerdanbombales uhh 🤣
@@gerdanbombales how is that?
Are we getting Simmons back on the team or something?
When tim legler talks, we listen.
Love Tim. Probably one of my favourite sports analysts.
How are there people actually defending Simmons at this point? Dude is being a diva and there is so much evidence against him and clowns still want to defend that??
Yes, as you can see, he is being defended by a fellow diva..
Wait do you have an issue with Molly saying “because he likes to dress fly, that’s not fair”….that’s what you consider “defending”…..🥴🥴
@@BennettCharles23 I think he is referring to people in the comment section.
You can put Kyri in that same conversation. Two very selfish players.
@@pryfy7746 for sure 🤙
when Tim speaks Basketball you listen and you know he brings the real stuff...
Joel Embiid didn't want Ben Simmons and that is one of the reason he got booted out of Philly. SAS did a segment about Philly and AI talking about having heart, working hard, guts something you have to have when you put on a Philly jersey. Joel Embiid has all of that and Ben Simmons didn't. Ben Simmons went to the worst place in the Nets, where you have KD who is passive aggressive who is beta male, Kyrie Irving who only plays 50 % of the time and a coach in Steve Nash, so there is no one to hold Ben Simmons accountable. Ben Simmons is soft weak man. He couldn't be playing for GS or Miami Heat because Draymond Green or Jimmy Butler would have got in his face big time.
Imagine if he went to the Timberwolves and had to deal with Beverley in his ear. He would be crying after 5 minutes of stepping into that practice facility.
Really? Embiid has that? Why was he fat, outta shape and injured for the two years prior to last year then? He'll fold like a house of cards. Always has.
And how about the Suns?! He and Chris Paul live on different planets!
@@mikeg6606 aww we have a Ben lover. Embiid has been carrying Philly for years kid
Molly isn’t sport-smart enough to understand what these guys are saying. She’s looking at them like they’re being too harsh or that they’re thinking too deeply into this, but what JWill, Legs, and Stephen A are saying is the truest assessment of what a person’s behavior is saying; even without them verbally saying anything. Body-language and behavior tells far more about a person’s character than words.
Her comment of “oh because they dress nice that’s not fair” just pissed me off beyond levels of comprehension. Of course a person like Molly who cucked and sucked her way to the top would have sympathy for someone who’s doing the same exact thing.
It is not sports smart. It’s emotional intelligence that she didn’t get. It’s actually a really good quesjtin from her because I guarantee there are people here who needed the breakdown. Stop the Molly hate, it’s so weird. Y’all obsessed w hate.
She’s there to be a mediator. That’s it.
@@admusic247 Except that she constantly forgets that she’s a mediator and always tries to insert her opinion where it isn’t necessary. Everyone has been fed up with it for years.
@@gauravagochiya4218 facts bro!! It's like being a secretary and interrupting every business meeting, That's not her job!
@@admusic247 Then someone needs to explain to her what the job of a mediator is. Keep simpin.
Molly's statement shows just exactly how out of touch she is
You gotta love how Jay Williams put clueless Molly in her place.
I think she was playing devil's advocate by saying that, like "some people will say that's harsh", but he explained his point perfectly and i agree with him 100% in what he said.
@@mattpeckham667 Unless that conversation was scripted, it was way too reactionary to be something like that.
@@TheMattTrakker it basically is Scripted.
@@denistuohy2535 If that was my line in the script I would be like um nope I'm not going to be the one sounding like an idiot.
From what I've read, Simmons hasn't even practiced with most of the starters. He's done some 3 on 3 with reserves. And they were actually thinking about putting this head case who hasn't played in a year into a playoff series with guys he's never played with? What a clown show.
They should have played him more than a month ago after the trade happened but the Nets kept babying him with all that talk of conditioning him first
Can they replace Molly already please?!
He lost all of his credibility a year ago... But it's good to see people finally catching up to this now
Lazy Talent vs Hard work, Simmons is a shining example of God given ability wasted, dude literally puts in the minimum but his talent was so great he got this far! He succeeded financially in life but he's going to look back some day and realise what could have been. For his sake he better hope that all that money doesn't dry up because those ho's and other young socialites will not be there in the end, in the end it's God, your family, and your legacy, that's it.
Couldn’t agree more 💕
Well said
Jay Williams hits the nail on the head.
JWill has the right to say what he did because he has played the game and has been in plenty of locker rooms with teammates. Molly doesn't have a clue when it comes to understanding what JWill had to say about Simmons. Simmons reminds me of Johnny Manzeil.
I can't believe there was a team on earth willing to take him after this fiasco. What a monumental risk. Imagine he ever has another bad game? There goes that money. Hes proven the lightest of criticism makes him hide under the covers. Id rather sign two players that are decent and i know will show up over this prima donna any day. But, hey, what do i know? Im not good enough at wasting massive amounts of money to be in charge of a sports team.
The NBA is who lost credibility. They're paying Simmons a huge salary while he's refusing to play.
best, most honest segment on ben ive seen.
i find it funny how simmons is durants teammate whos mantra coming into the league was "hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard"
Durant will tell this story 10 years later as a cautionary tale of that same mantra
How is the mans back hurting but he can stand n cheerlead his team to a loss all game?🤔🤦🏽♂️ Clearly he is finessing the system smh
Dumb comment.
Simmons will be a permanent cheer leader and distraction for yrs to come. Nets are now stuck with him and are forced to pay him. He will retire when his Nets contract is up and he has received his 114M from the Nets. Mental or physical - this boy will not play a game!
And there are players with back issues who can barely leap anymore like a Dwight Howard who still go out and give his all.
Yeah remember Mike Miller playing hurt for the Heat? Running up the court hunched over that was a man with true back pain gutting it out.
@@nukeboy4939 I remember that.. Dude literally had tears in his eyes but he knew he couldn't let his team down..
I’m starting to like J Will more and more and I’ve loved Legler as an analyst for a long time. I used to think J Will was very delusional but I think he’s really good now. Apart from when he said Ime Udoka was the Celtics first black head coach last year 😂
I mean Jay Williams is very relatable as he had his career taken away from him before it even began. So to see a guy like Simmons not even give any effort just killed him inside, and his pain is genuine knowing what he went through.
If I’m not mistaken, Bill Russell was the first black head coach in the history of the Celtics.
Also...why does Molly exist? Honest question.
@@cityhawk I believe Bill Russell was the first black head coach in the nba
When did Ben Simmons ever have credibility
Philly fans tried to tell y'all about Simmons but y'all didn't want to believe us...we were right
100 percent 215!!!
He probably hurt his back climbing a tree outside Devin Booker’s bedroom window.
I love how Jay Williams was on KJM wearing just a hoodie, then stopped by the First Take and put a jacket on a hoodie to look classier. 😂😂
His back hurts bc all those chains he likes wearing
Facts. well said J Will. Scottie Pippin played through a playoff series with a hurt back, the guy couldnt even jump but he went out there and gave what he could for the team.
Simmon’s face always looks like he doesn’t want to be apart and can’t wait to go home and hide😳
Always
Now the world sees what us philly fans are talking about, we have been vilified bcuz of Ben. We backed him ever since his rookie year. Every year he showed clips of hitting a jump shot but hardly tried it in the game. Everyone who backed this guys needs to apologize to Philly. And now he has the nerve to file a grievance to get his 20 mil back. This guy is a narcissist. I just wish he loved the game so he could show the next level talent which is beautiful to watch
🗣PREACH
Jay williams had one of the best takes ive heard on this show. It was spot on.
“Cuz u like to dress nice?”
Molly SHUT UP.
He was explaining himself.
“Ya no please do”
Unnecessary commentary.
I like how he started to address her and ending his sentence with “..Molly”
You can’t come too NY , half assing… good job on the media for calling that big baby out
NY is soft
There was a report saying Ben Simmons is walking around like MJ in nets practice. Turns out that wasn’t a compliment.
Tim is an absolute beast
Legend
Bang on bang on
💯
I never seen someone standing up and delivering their point BIG UPS TO JWILL one of the smoothest PG ever! I hope Ben sees this video but I don't care to see him play ever again either he can GO!
Molly is always speaking based off emotions and not with logic, that's why so many people get upset with her. Plus it's not her job and if you try to explain that to her I bet she would pull the women empowered card. Undisputed is better because moderators do their job and the debaters debate.
She is a modern women what do you expect!
It's called playing devil's advocate. Just has producers in her ear telling her what hot buttons to push.
She will disagree with the panel in order to hear their explanations and to provide a television show with alot of bite.
Some hosts are made to just sit and agree with everything a guest says.
Some hosts are made to encourage guests to go off on one.
It's just tv. And clearly it's working because this show seems very popular.
It has nothing to do with "women empower card" or blah blah whatever other nonesense you wanna bring up.
2:25 YEP! Nobody really cares anymore when Ben Simmons is coming back to play. Guy is a JOKE and the biggest baby ever. I am so glad that Stephen A. Smith has reminded the audience in other segments that Ben Simmons has BEEN a quitter. He quitted back in college on LSU. He has shown us what he is already before the 76ers debacle even occured!
Thank u for cutting the video at the PERFECT MOMENT!! Stevenay smiff was just about to open his biggest mouth and ruin it, but u cut him off. Great job! Liked.
J will check molly for trying to interrupt.
Joel Embiid diagnosed Ben Simmons perfectly "He cares more about being the star than being a teammate"
Finally everyone sees what Philly went through
In his mind Ben Simmons has achieved ultimate success. Every sports program is devoting 5 to 10 minutes on him, the TV cameras are focusing on his game time spectator wardrobe, he doesn’t even have to pick up a basketball, and he’s been picking up checks from 2 teams. What more could we ask for? That he goes out and actually play???? He’s no fool, we all are!!
Jwill right Molly be quiet 🤐
The surprise is everywhere in the world except Philly. It’s been obvious for a while to all Philly fans this guy has checked out and has no interest in playing basketball. He has no interest in grinding to get better - learning to shoot - improving his game. He just wants to be some gucci celebrity and spend his money. But basketball? He’s out.
How can you lose something that you never had????!!!!! Ben Simmons has quit on 2 teams, and therefore he never had any credibility!!
He quit on LSU and the Australian team. Dudes a fraud
Brooklyn screwed up big time getting Ben Simmons. A bust.
Take that rookie of the year award back now....
@@willymaze368 Give it to the rightful winner in Donovan Mitchell
Molly mad at Jwil cause she got on the same green jacket that Ben had on the bench 😅
These dudes are soft. I'm a woman and I played in my high school finals with a dislocated thumb, popped it back into place and wrapped it. I won MVP.. scored 22 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assist
Wassup Ivy. Wassup baby.
@@AuburnFanSince2010 lol I'm good love.. and you?
@@mzua9962 I'm good love and you?
@@mzua9962 lol back in the day, I had it
All these players are soft. I had a dislocated shoulder ,had it popped back in, came back in and threw 4td passes for Polk High!
He was always overhyped its overwhelmed him. He might be ruined in the confidence department.
Best part is when SAS' part got cut; the professionals said all there needed to be said.
seriously, I was about to go to another vid when I saw it was his turn to talk but the editing was excellent
Tim Legler is awesome. Couldn't have said it any better than Tim Legler. You could tell from Tim Legler's almost red face just how frustrated and disappointed he is with Ben Simmons. That phrase that Legler used about Simmons just sums it up perfectly....Ben Simmons has LOST ALL CREDIBILITY with his teammates, and it shows with all those fake and awkward interactions he has on the sidelines with the team. It's so frustrating to see a player who could have really helped the Nets be so USELESS.
Ben Simmons has his picture up at every Walmart in America next to all the "Missing Children" in America.
Simmons is not a basketball player, he is a person. He lost his passion for the game, and that is not a crime. Just give the money back, walk away, no hate.
He will never do that
People should understand one thing.. Klay thomson tore is acl in final of 2019 and came back hit 2 free throws and asked kerr he wants to remain on court... That is the love for the game.. The championship mamba mentality... You have kawhi, ben Simmons if they feel just a discomfort they won't play...
Kawhi a killer and a champion on the court. This is a bad take. He is selfish but he aint a quitter. He aint soft.
Wow, Jay hit this on the head.
This was a great segment ty legz & jwill
Has anyone noticed how uncomfortable Ben looks on the bench very tense and meek but he appears to be comfortable dressing up takes pride in how he looks in his clothes much like a model but when it comes to B ball he has a block I'm not a therapist but there is something underneath the skin that is troubling him deeply and it has Zero to do with B ball
@@andrewmillman45 wants the clout without the work. Jwill really hit it - if Ben doesn't want all the attention on him and criticism then why is he peacocking on the bench instead of just wearing black like the rest of the team, even those not playing.
I am Happy Timmy is getting more Tv time. Hes has stuck with ESPn even when they put him on the back burner.
J-Will totally on point here. I'm Aussie and played ball at a high level. Have heard from people who played around him even during high school before he went to America that he's insanely selfish and arrogant. Total diva who is out for himself.
Love how they cut off SAS in all seriousness here.
He is the poster child but there are a lot of guys like that they make so much money they have lost all motivation to even play the very game they are being paid for.
Cut the video off exactly when they needed to.
The Nets should find a way to terminate his contract.
Simmons is an extremely talented player. However, hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard.
I’m glad this video cuts off right when SAS starts talking
Legler one of the best commentators espn got ☝️
I like to equivalent the Ben Simmons situation to Magic Johnson when he was referred to as Tragic Bronson. They both had terrible final series which inevitably lost the game for their teams. They are very similar situations. The difference being is that Magic Johnson put in the work to redeem himself. Ben Simmons is hiding like a coward and blaming everyone except the one person responsible.....Ben Simmons. As a basketball fan I am really disgusted about the situation and I think the best thing for all parties involved would to be for Ben to retire permanently. It is certainly giving the NBA bad look. Until the NBA decides to put its foot down and make examples star athletes like Ben Simmons will continue to take advantage of the situation and continue to decrease fan basis in this great sport
Nobody questioned kyries love for the game , kyrie just understands life is bigger than basketball
Ben former teammate Tyrese Maxey improved tho... Same management too
The ad that ran for me before this video was the Wingstop ad where the guy looks at the dude and says "You seem like a boneless guy". He could have been talking to Ben Simmons.
Please please continue to record all takes from the experts and ignore SAS.
This was good.
Nah SAS can be okay at times. Just ignore Molly completely. Don’t show her on TV. Fire her. And then blacklist her from getting any job ever again.
With everyone talking about Ben Simmons, he is going to complain about his mental health soon. And that's gonna force everyone to back off him, just watch and see
Imagine just telling your boss, nah im not coming to work cause of some "soreness"
SAS was taking mental notes... that was well said
If Ben was a bit more open with the public about what he's experienced in this time he hasn't played, maybe the conversation would be different. You don't have to go into detail. Look at Klay, he's been open (to a point) about his struggles to get back and play. We see the short clips of his working on rehab, the happenstance pics of him courtside struggling to be so close to the game but can't play. It made the comeback, the current level he's playing at, mean that much more. As a person who deals with and works in mental health, sometimes the best thing you can do is come out and be vulnerable, just a little, and say, yeah, I'm struggling with confidence, with feeling like I'm going to be the player I was or better or worse. I'm having a hard time with hearing the push back from the media, etc. Right now, it just feels like a player who wants people to know he's still on a team, but not actually wanting to play. To see Jay, who clearly misses what could have been, talk about this kinda hurts.
I’m just waiting on The inevitable day Molly gets the boot. 😂😂😂
Everyone will celebrate that day
Larry Bird...bad back. Practiced everytime with dream team regaurdless. Got much respect.
Tim lengler need to feature more on this show...
Kyrie had his stance and actually was fined for being involved with his team after a game u took he could come back. Simmons hasn't even spoke to his teammates and wants nothing to do with the sport.
Keep the same energy
Remind me of Leonard not coming back for the spurs
But to his credit, he was actually hurt, sought a 2nd opinion and played next year for the Raptors. Although he did load manage in the regular season, they went deep and won the title in the playoffs with Kawhi playing heavy minutes. I think we all have good reason to not buy into Ben's supposed injuries at this point.
I like how Jwill said that and than camera pans out and the 3 guys in gray/black and Molly looking like a sour green apple.
JWill is right everybody's sore. Especially the people who've been playing all season 35+ min per game.
Jwill shutting molly up had me dying.
The next CBA gone be real interesting…just prepare for a lockout
I am very disappointed in the 76ers Organization because, they could of handle the whole situation better. Daryl Morey lacked responsibility as an executive by ignoring Ben Simmons injuries, and sent two more injured NBA players (Seth Curry and Andre Drummond) along with Ben Simmons too the Brooklyn Net's Organization for James Harden and that's not an equal trade! I just don't understand it...
Excellent take J Will
I did not pick up on the fact that Simmons was dressed like he was at NYFW while everyone else on the bench wore team black, but JWill is absolutely right. Going back to the clips; he looked like he was styled for every game of the series.
Michael Jordan played Game 6 of the 1997 NBA Finals against the Jazz with food poisoning. He was leaning on teammates when they went to the bench. He still scored 38 points and helped carry his team to a win. He felt he had an obligation to his team and Bulls fans. Simmons has no obligation to anyone except himself.
They are 100% right
imagine, with talent that Simmons has,
and just wasting it, J. Will would do anything to play pro,
it's gotta be insult, to all these former players, to see Ben like this.
Was t just the hawks series legs. It was EVERY playoff series.
He had back surgery yesterday. Who will be first to give a public apology?
I new the wheels were coming off when Kyrie said they don’t need a coach and when harden was traded
Tim is correct. Whether it’s fair or not, all of the guy’s credibility is shot. Crazy thing is though, he could get it all back if he actually showed that he loves and misses the game and hates not being on the court.