Assassin is the best for Honour Mode. Advantage always on first round of combat means you almost never miss your Critical Hit round. Assassin's Alacrity makes a huge difference, being able to use both an extra Action and Bonus Action at the start of combat is better than just having a Bonus Action from Thief. You lose any Action or Bonus Action you use to initiate combat on Honour Mode, but with Assassin you can attack with dual wield at the start of combat and have both refreshed. It can even sometimes give you two instances of Extra Attack when multiclassing, but that is not common. Also, it doesn't say it, but it refreshes your movement speed as well so you can get crazy with placement while in Turn-Based Mode to start out combat and not have to worry about having spent your movement speed.
Totally agree with your assessment. I love to take 3 (or 4 for the feat) levels in Thief for the additional bonus action especially for Barbarian Bezerker and Monk who can effectively use the bonus action in combat.
With all my many play throughs, I almost always multiclass Astarion (except for my very first full run of the game - kept everyone with their default classes and subclasses where applicable). However, on my newest run, I have decided to mono-class Astarion again (Thief Rogue), and take advantage of the extra feat. Setting him up for duel wielder and medium armor. This run isn't about using the best build, but more just doing something I haven't done in a long while. As always, thank you for the content! :)
4 feats is one of the biggest benefits of pure rogues in my opinion, which can allow us to try some different things. Dual wielding is one way to take advantage of the extra bonus action so I imagine it worked out alright!
thief feels like the most consistent of the subclasses, but assassin is the most powerful in the earlier levels. if i insist on monoclassing rogue (which i only do for challenge purposes) i start out as an assassin and switch to thief as soon as I can get hold of the gloves of balanced hands so i can have up to three decent attacks per turn
If you wanna be a gish rogue it will be better to just mix it with swords bard, you get a lot more spells and the extra attack/flourishes will really bump up your damage. And you get an extra expertise and dialogue as well
Yeah, there's little that rogues can offer that a swords bard cannot. Then again, swords bards are probably one of the strongest subclasses in the game anyway.
@@CasualVeteranGamer 9 swords bard 3 thief rogue could have some insane cc with the band of the mystic scoundrel, you could attack 4 times then cast 2 cc spells on your bonus action, with them boosted by arcane acuity as well. While a pure arcane trickster would do 1 attack and 1 weak 2nd level spell in a turn..
Arcane trickster has always bugged me in both 5e and in BG3 for the same two reasons really, though 5e a bit less so. For one, although spells can also be very defensive or highly damaging, the the Arcane Trickster restrictions forcing them to be focused on low level, utility spells prevent them from taking advantage of this really. Then on top of that, giving the highest utility martial class access to a few spells only for utility is...well, redundant. The one thing Arcane Trickster gets in 5e that it doesn't in bg3 is the ability to use certain magical items and magical scrolls that they otherwise wouldn't be able to use. Is that worth a whole subclass though?
I can see your point there. Also if we're using spells that cost an action it means that can't even get sneak attack, unless we use a hand crossbow with a bonus action I guess? I figure their niche in bg3 is scroll casting after level 9, but the thing is arcane acuity builds don't even need to give enemies disadvantage for their spells to land.
Assassin is the best for Honour Mode. Advantage always on first round of combat means you almost never miss your Critical Hit round. Assassin's Alacrity makes a huge difference, being able to use both an extra Action and Bonus Action at the start of combat is better than just having a Bonus Action from Thief. You lose any Action or Bonus Action you use to initiate combat on Honour Mode, but with Assassin you can attack with dual wield at the start of combat and have both refreshed. It can even sometimes give you two instances of Extra Attack when multiclassing, but that is not common. Also, it doesn't say it, but it refreshes your movement speed as well so you can get crazy with placement while in Turn-Based Mode to start out combat and not have to worry about having spent your movement speed.
Totally agree with your assessment. I love to take 3 (or 4 for the feat) levels in Thief for the additional bonus action especially for Barbarian Bezerker and Monk who can effectively use the bonus action in combat.
It's a shame that rogues are such a great 3/4 level dip, but on the whole don't offer as much as most other classes when monoclassed.
With all my many play throughs, I almost always multiclass Astarion (except for my very first full run of the game - kept everyone with their default classes and subclasses where applicable). However, on my newest run, I have decided to mono-class Astarion again (Thief Rogue), and take advantage of the extra feat. Setting him up for duel wielder and medium armor. This run isn't about using the best build, but more just doing something I haven't done in a long while. As always, thank you for the content! :)
4 feats is one of the biggest benefits of pure rogues in my opinion, which can allow us to try some different things. Dual wielding is one way to take advantage of the extra bonus action so I imagine it worked out alright!
thief feels like the most consistent of the subclasses, but assassin is the most powerful in the earlier levels. if i insist on monoclassing rogue (which i only do for challenge purposes) i start out as an assassin and switch to thief as soon as I can get hold of the gloves of balanced hands so i can have up to three decent attacks per turn
Arcane Trickster is an S-tier subclass for pickpocketing.
If you wanna be a gish rogue it will be better to just mix it with swords bard, you get a lot more spells and the extra attack/flourishes will really bump up your damage. And you get an extra expertise and dialogue as well
Yeah, there's little that rogues can offer that a swords bard cannot. Then again, swords bards are probably one of the strongest subclasses in the game anyway.
@@CasualVeteranGamer 9 swords bard 3 thief rogue could have some insane cc with the band of the mystic scoundrel, you could attack 4 times then cast 2 cc spells on your bonus action, with them boosted by arcane acuity as well. While a pure arcane trickster would do 1 attack and 1 weak 2nd level spell in a turn..
ahh yes the red headed step child of classes
Best Multiclass class.
Arcane trickster has always bugged me in both 5e and in BG3 for the same two reasons really, though 5e a bit less so. For one, although spells can also be very defensive or highly damaging, the the Arcane Trickster restrictions forcing them to be focused on low level, utility spells prevent them from taking advantage of this really. Then on top of that, giving the highest utility martial class access to a few spells only for utility is...well, redundant. The one thing Arcane Trickster gets in 5e that it doesn't in bg3 is the ability to use certain magical items and magical scrolls that they otherwise wouldn't be able to use. Is that worth a whole subclass though?
I can see your point there. Also if we're using spells that cost an action it means that can't even get sneak attack, unless we use a hand crossbow with a bonus action I guess? I figure their niche in bg3 is scroll casting after level 9, but the thing is arcane acuity builds don't even need to give enemies disadvantage for their spells to land.