What if he was & the Maximals returned safely to Cybertron, & then Megatron escaped with the help of other rouge Predacons, then he unleashed the virus, with the Maximals surviving & leading a resistance movement against the Vehicons!
I personally don't consider BM the same continuity, but I think its hilarious that the ending of the Maximals have Megatron tied up outside the ship INSTEAD of the inside literally spelt their doom.
Nevermind the fact the whole plot of Beast Machines makes no sense. Megatron falls off the Maximals ship which means he should be dead, and then he somehow made it to Cybertron and killed everyone taking over the planet, I don't think it was ever explained how that happened either.
@@thedude9941 Transwarp space goes through space AND time as explained by Rhinox in the first episode of Beast Wars. Meaning when Megatron fell off the Maximals ship, he ended up arriving to Cybertron earlier than the maximals, thus putting in motion the events of Beast Machines
This show, as a sequel to Beast Wars, is frustrating since it throws away everything that was established but, by itself, I think Beast Machines was actually good. Not perfect by any means, but I liked it. I loved the darker tone. I loved how more intimidating Megatron became. Most Maximals personnalities were thrown away but Cheetor was an evolution of what he was, he made sense in this show. We saw him growing up from a young reckless kid to a mature young adult.
And Blackarachnia lost a bit of her dark side and being a techno head like Tarantulas but I think it was just her true maximal self shining through (how she would have been if she hasn't been made predacon)
I think the maximal behavioral changes were justifiable. Optimus had a religious experience, so he started acting religiously. Rattrap, knowing how outnumbered they were, seemed more cowardly because he was scared. He's got a high sense of self-preservation. Silverbolt remembered who he was as Jetstorm and was ashamed of his behavior. It actually reminds me of childhood dreams being utterly shattered as life takes its toll on you.
Cheetor's development was one of the good things in the show, I agree. He was much more mature and competent while retaining some of the original personality.
@@saviitrius still, Rattrap was capable of being toe to toe against Megatron Sometimes even taking leadership Beast Machines was a complete involution for him, even taking further toll into his robot form, that looked like a joke
@@condedepiamonte93 I had to look up that word cause for a moment I thought you meant to type "devolution," but I'm still not sure what you mean. Are you saying that the show did him injustice? That would be a shame, cause my favorite episode is the one in which he made that deal with Megatron. (And I actually love his new robot mode.) But I'm not particularly nitpicky about things like this.
@@Shadothecat _When in imaginary land because they never once said that._ Are you kidding?? The final battle between Optimus and Megatron in Endgame (the battle before the Oracle, Key to Vector Sigma, and Plasma Energy Chamber came into play) proves this is true.
@@Deined yeah and this was megatrons first time using optimus body too. if it was optimus from beast wars that was familiar with the body he would've pounded the beast machine optimus even quicker.
@@frankspick7544 _beside few exceptions he as the_ _exception not the norm _ Eh, in Blackarachnia's case it's debatable, but Cheetor's Transmetal 2 form was definitely more powerful than his reformatted form. This is all, of course, before we consider the boost Primal's team temporarily got from Cybertron's captured sparks.
i love the detail of not showing silverbolt’s transformation. i know its most likely due to the fact they had no idea what he would devolve into. but it definitely makes it all the more heartbreaking when we find out what did happen. he was forced to become someone else entirely
He didn't actually devolve to anything. The virus was a anti-transformation virus, which locked transformation and paralyzed the victim. The devolution was a side-effect for those who had gone through evolutions. The reason why Silverbolt and Rhinox were captured was because the virus not only locked their ability to transform but also paralyzed them
I don't think he would technically devolve into anything. He had a basic beast form like the others devolved into it was just a fusion of two different animals.
@@177SCmarothe problem is that the virus Megatron used also removed transmetalization and both Quickstrike and Silverbolt are at least part Transmetal so we don't know for sure what would happen to his body
@@jacksbrow182 Again, neither had a form to devolve into. What we saw was their base form. All the others had "evolved" two or more stages past their initial base form except for Rinox. The only thing silverbolt could possibly devolve into would be his blank slate form like in the status pods.
So... Megatron killed both Maximals and Predacons. He ruined the Decepticon legacy. But... if we think about it, Megatron won. He did what 1st Megatron and all Decepticons wanted to accomplish - he took control over whole Cybertron permanentny. He became the leader of Cybertron and all Transformers. He did it, yeeess...
As villains go, Beast Wars Megatron dwarfs even the original Gen 1 Megatron. He succeeded where the original failed: conquering Cybertron and remaking it in his image. And he did it even though, as Ravage scornfully told him, he lacked the original Megatron's army. He never had more than a few followers at any given time, and when he escaped between Wars and Machines he arrived on Cybertron completely by himself. Talk about doing more with less!
mam162 But G1 Megatron and his Decepticons did takeover Cybertron as shown in the 1986 movie. It's only because Unicron attacked Cybertron that the Decepticons abandoned Cybertron and they ended up on planet Char.
bagsikdangal And technically speaking, Shockwave was ruling Cybertron when they left. They only forced out all the Autobots in the movie... in a way, Megatron held Cybertron throughout Season 1 and 2.
Seeing the old designs just make me miss them more. Especially after seeing Optimus's freaky face right after. I get they wanted redesigns to sell more toys. But couldn't the redesigns be, y'know...good?
I forgot how messed up Megatron was when he tried to separate his cybertron body from his organic dragon body. Seeing his dragon mode was kinda horrifying.
The Beast Wars ended the moment that the Maximals left the prehistoric Earth with Megatron as prisioner. The Maximals actually won the war. Whatever happened between leaving the Earth and arriving to Cybertron was no part of the Beast Wars. Megatron said he won out of his monstruous ego and arrogance, but that's a lie. He arrived to Cybertron before the Maximals and slaved it, but that was no part of the Beast Wars, but the Beast Machines' saga.
It's funny that Megs claims that he won the Beast Wars, yet he wants to get rid of his organic/beast half. That doesn't sound like he won the Beast Wars. If anything, him trying to get rid of his organic/beast half, is like him having PTSD from the Beast Wars. Or should it be PTBWSD(Post Traumatic Beast Wars Strees Disorder)?
Megatron was actually correct. The Maximals were tasked to capture Megatron. They did but then lost him. Megatron made it back to Cybertron before they did and re written their future. The Maximals failed their mission and because of their failure it costed them cybertron.
@@bthesilentgames Wrong. The whole point of the Beast Wars came because Megatron wanted to change the future, allowing the Decepticons to win the Great War. Ultimately, that was avoided and the Maximals leave the prehistoric Earth more or less how it was. THAT part was won. The problem came in their journey back home. Megatron escaped, and through the time tunel, he arrived Cybertron before the Maximals. Megatron didn't actually "change the future", he returned to the Maximals' "present", and the problems that the Maximals had in the time tunnel caused them to take more time to arrive Cybertron. These are actually typical problems that come when Time Travel is involved.
@Bags IDK why Megatron was bothered with his Beast Mode. He never complained about it once during the Beast Wars. In fact at the time he like his transformations when he 1st got them.
Anyone else weirded out by the disconnecting-and-reconnecting wires behind Megatron’s Head? Seriously, it’s like looking at a still functioning brain with electrical neuron activity.
This Megatron is forever the ONLY one that won. Let the history books reflect this as his majesty, his glory...a single elegant machine, forever will this Megatron be the brilliant leader that Cybertron needed.
BW Megatron : Yesss. My infiltration of the production company to make them hire that fool Dan Didio paid tremendous dividends. After he issued me a Full Villain Sue license, having an absurd advantage throughout all of Beast Machines was child's play.
Oh yes. Dan DiDio. The reason why I always thought Beast Machines was a questionable portion of the Transformers world. Under someone else it had a potential to be better, but instead it was an overly dark, depressing mess with no clear direction. If the Maximal victory was going to be torched then the central story line of Beast Machines needed to be of much more compelling and higher quality. Instead it was overall a wreck much like DiDio has been wrecking DC Comics since become Vice President/Executive Editor there in 2004. DC sadly has become an overly dark and morbid mess much along the lines of what DiDio did with Beast Machines. And that's a shame since DC Comics characters were a pert of my childhood right beside Transformers.
Well according to the TF Fandom, seeing as we got Armada, Energon, and Cybertron out of it people have reevaluated Beast Machines in a more positive light. I still don't like it and it doesn't help that Dan Didio called a "religious epic for TV".
Goku Black TNT's 'Joseph' was a religious epic for TV. Beast Machines was the Proto-Countdown.Although, to be fair, many might have turned to their religion after reading or viewing anything by Didio.
The problem isn't that Beast Machines is horrible, the problem is that it's a sequel to Beast Wars and it was clearly written by people that didn't watch/care about Beast Wars.
Speak for yourself, I grew up with both Beast Wars and Beast Machines and preferred the darker tone of this show compared to the jovial one in Beast Wars. I disagree with the idea that these stories shouldn't ever be "depressing" or have any tragedy, I personally get sick of all the happy bullshit in cartoons because it's clear they're just pandering to the viewer to avoid making them feel uncomfortable. I do agree that they could have handled this story better but overall I'm glad this exists, it was unique for the time and gave us some of the best versions of these characters.
Beast machines isn't popular because of it's religious concept and organic designs, but you have to admit it's deeply thought out and has 1 plot hole (waspinator being catapulted through time and space)
It had potential but I didnt like the plot with Optimus' character changing into a plant guru rather than a serious but caring military general like leader he was in Beast Wars, and Megatron never really fought much. That and its criticism of being too dark (as in the lighting was always at night) and they really nerfed Rattrap bad.
@@melvinharris916forgot about that, I always assumed he flew down as they we're going threw time and got to Cybertron a few years early 🤷♂️. Still a plot hole though.
Survivors should have learned how to make their own cheese, not to protect themselves from Megatron, but for sound suppression to prevent blowing any amplifiers in their audio circuits. Kup : "...and then their was that ONE TIME, I got to Vrraxius Signus and did battle with a Quintason, that believed it had it's own emmy-award winning daytime talk show panel about fashion, entertainment, and gossip!" Any other sentient being : XpX Shockwave : "Did they discuss for to make the fondue recipe for the eligible bachelor/(forever alone)?"
This show was so freaking cool. After binge-watching Beast Wars, I took everyone's warnings to heart and expected this sequel to be a trainwreck. I was pleasantly surprised by how good it was.
which is bad since everyone forgets about the overall mess the series Energon is then there's the bay movies, and at the bottom of that...a little something known as kiss players...NEVER look at kiss players...
To honest I enjoy Beast machines, however it is a terrible sequel to beast wars. the characters of Rat trap and Blackarchnia seem to have changed over night if you watch beast wars first. Also while the amnesia thing worked back before Beast wars season 3 was broadcast on TV now we know this line from megatron is nothing but a lie to mess with optimus.
@@humangirl2122 It actually did to be honest. I like the idea of the whole nature vs tech thing, Cybertron being Techorganic and some other stuff. But like with Dragon Ball GT the idea was handle poorly therefor why Beast Machines has really mixed reactions by Transformers Fans.
@@humangirl2122 How is having the opinion is wrong? If you like Beast Machines all right to you. But I wanted to explain that you trying to take your opinion as facts to other users on the Internet and trying to start drama just for clout and attention.
All by himself...with no army? One lone bot conquers an entire planet? How could he even get to cybertron from slipspace without a ship, much less survive without instantly dying ?
@@tobiaswalker7562 I reckon he arrived a year or so earlier. His beast mode looks damaged. Either by trying to remove his beast form or from burning up falling through Cybertron atmosphere but surviving. You'd think cybertronians would have seen him or tried arresting him but he seemed to slip past their radar.
@@LJGrindewald he was actively trying to remove his organic form. As hinted in season 3 bw. Megatron wanted a body like optimal optimus but got the dragon form instead.
Putting megatron outside the ship was the biggest mistake they ever did. Then beast machines wouldnt of happen. Prbly the beast wars may have continued again at cybertron
They should have removed his Dragon head arm and put him in stasis lock in a large stasis pod and kept him with them..silent then he'd be put on trial by the council of elders and Tripredacus council.
Darkest and most Original Transformers show ever. At the time it was so difficult to digest. But today there are several things I like from this show. Hope we get to see a sequel one day.
HudsonValleyGuyVideos 1 tigertron and airazor were eaten by a plant monster and 2 the vok fused their body's into tigerhawk witch later got obliterated by megatron.
As awesome as this show is (yes I know I'm in a minority here) I feel that it missed out on a really good story opportunity. When G1 ended, the Autobots were in a stable alliance with Earth to the point that some humans worked and even lived on Cybertron, and Transformers on both sides had allies from various other planets, both organic and robotic. They could have expanded on these facts, saying that they are still allied with futuristic Earth and the other planets to the point that there are human colonies on Cybertron. Of course Megatron would see them as a blight on his perfect technosphere and would attempt to wipe them out, which would lead to them attempting to leave Cybertron and go to the other allied planets. But they find out that Megatron already sent vehicons to the other planets, capturing the Cybertronians and wiping out all of the allied aliens, destroying the organics, and melting down the robotics to make more vehicons, all to make sure that nobody who can fight him remains. This in turn means that there is nowhere for the human colonists to go, leaving them stranded on Cybertron. Imagine the story potential of the Maximals meeting a human resistance.
From what I read, I think humans were wiped out. It's why they aren't on Cybertron or talked about in beast wars. Apparently. The reason the Vok are doing their experiments on prehistoric earth and leaving energon and puzzles for them to solve, it's like an apology for being behind their demise and they're re-writing that for humans. I think the Vok were known as the swarm before.
@@LJGrindewald cool, where did you find this information? It's fascinating I had no idea what happened to the humans in beast wars and was always curious.
How did Optimus Primal revert to his pre transmetal form when his body was destroyed in the Planet Buster crisis and the gorilla DNA along with it? So shouldn't Megatron's virus turn him back into his transmetal form?
His spark was halfway to join the Matrix, Rhinox saved him and brought him back to life with a transmetal body. And don't forget one robot arm broke through the dirt in the start of season 2 episode one
Mr. Mark so, just to clarify, does the Beast Wars series end before or after they returned to Cybertron? The way it was edited made it hard for me to tell where Beast Wars ended and Beast Machines began
If this Megatron had succeeded in becoming the core Conscious of Cybertron, he would have swallowed Unicron for breakfast. Seriously, think of all the variations of Megatron, G1, Armada, Prime, and all, none of them can reach this Megatron's level. He did things none of them would ever consider. Whereas G1 Megatron would have killed or enslaved you, Beast Wars/Machines Megatron will tear your soul out, and melt your body into raw materials for drones, and eat your soul in the process. Truly the most tyrannical version of them all. It also makes Optimus Primal the greatest and most heroic version as well. Resorting to guerilla warfare since the Maximals were clearly outnumbered, and outgunned. P.S. Notice how Optimus Primal rejects Cybertronian technology and returns to Monke? He's truly the ascended one.
In the Transformers Universe comics (the sequel to Beast Machines) Tarantulas returns and reveals he was serving Unicron's agenda. Primus then resurrects Optimus Primal to defeat them, implying even the God of the Transformers believes him to be the greatest hero in history.
Just realized. If Optimus just did some quick thinking and turned the ship around, they could've gotten to safe space and be able to regroup. They might've come to the conclusion that Megatron arrived earlier than them, messing something up. Then they could've gone back into transwarp, and try to arrive at an earlier point in time to try and stop Megatron's plan. Hell, they could've tried to find a transwarp ship while they were on Cybertron and try to change the present. Though, Megs probably anticipated that and had all time travel technology destroyed. But still, food for thought :p
Goku Black Why do you think he would had been a Veihcon? He was a Transmetal 2. All characters who were Transmetalized reverted back to their original forms. Dinobot would had just gone back to his original form.
Dinobot Kiryu yeah true but transmetal 2 was a clone but perhaps after he regained his memories of the original dinobot instead of being killed off he could have played a bigger role in beast machines
Goku Black That's what I have always said. I was annoyed when I saw him die for a second time. I felt it was a wast of a character. Same thing with Tigerhawk. Wouldn't it had been cool to see Dinobot 2 communicate with the original Dinobot from the Oracle?
It feels pretty weird seeing BW models and voices in BM. Also, BW Megatron was really a sort of "technological god" in this show. He wiped out all of Cybertron and took away everyone's spark and used their bodies as drones.
While I can respect the writers for having the balls to do this, it still makes all 3 seasons of Beast Wars totally useless. And as someone who loved that show, I can't help but feel somewhat insulted.
What makes you think this makes BW's three seasons pointless? They managed to prevent Megatron from screwing over the timeline of the Autobots and the Decepticons. While Megatron still managed to win, it isen't a total loss. It would have been if Megatron had gone back to prehistoric Earth and tampered with the timeline again without the Maximals being able to stop him.
I actually question season 3 of Beast wars more than Beastmachines if Megatron truly destroyed the ark his dreams of Predacon conquest would be retroactively aborted; no Matrix= no way to stop Unicron so yeah RIP universe
"Beast Wars ended perfectly, let's insult the fans by undoing ALL of it!" Ghad, I was SO right to ditch this show. I watched the first episode, smelled the stench of bullshit retconning and "NOPE!"ed right out of there. Everything about this show screams "Written by people who had barely glanced at the source material." And it was, the writers for Beast Wars took a break for a year, came back to see this abomination and did try to salvage it in the second season but it was too little too late. And yes folks, if you don't think the character designs were hideous, you need glasses.
I agree. The disrespect to BW and the ugly designs make it impossible to truly like the show as much as I wanted to. Which is sad because some of the ideas it had were cool and I wish later reboots did something like Megatron's plan here, the fact that the heroes were under a Cybertron totally under the villain's control, and the idea of a pure organic transformer like Savage/Noble. Good concepts, bad execution.
I liked all of the new designs except for Optimus' both beast and robot modes, and Silverbolt's beast mode. Personally if I saw them in real life I wouldn't care. But this is a show, so make them look good. I wish Optimus could have kept his "Optimal" look. I thought he was really cute and it was the most expressive. Also, Silverbolt needs a censor bar over his throat.
@@humangirl2122 I'm sorry but 99 percent of the people here say they are ugly. Because even if they were reanimated it wouldn't change bad character design.
Why the hell is optimus running? He can turn into a tank that has far more speed and firepower than a tank drone, his robot mode is also bigger than a tank drone, or better yet he could just pick cheetor up and fly away. I mean what the hell are the jet drones gonna do? Pebble him with tiny gunfire? He's massive! and can't cheetor also fly too? What the hell guys? A couple of mindless drones is nothing compared primal in a giant murder body! Let's think about this. Optimus primal in his reformatted form could take out and even pick up multiple tank drones by himself. Megatron in optimus's old body, beat his new bodies ass. So why couldn't Optimal optimus just nuke the fucking place with how overpowered he is? I call bullshit.
He could have transformed into his flight mode and all the others could have ridden him and his form can go supersonic. Could have flown away and found a place to hide. Would have been more exciting.
Want to know why? A logical reason to why is a cybertronian equivalent to adrenaline, they just got off the battered ship, only for them to be attacked, first instinct from danger, run.
because not matter how powerful your they were freaking out number plus the virus would of dealt with him plus flying dosn't really help when the virus could lett be drop from any wear
As far as I’m concerned megatron is the hero of the story because ultimately transformers were stuck in an endless war between two factions. Transformers only saw themselves according to their factions when their identities were in truth their sparks. This is why the vehicle generals being former maximals was a stroke of genius it showed how the confusion of social identity and culture lead to war and that cybertronians were really killing and murder ing their own kind over differences in body type snd programming. Which denied what they truly were which was sparks. When megatron removed sparks from their bodies he divided everything. Down to the base component. When he was going to murder their identities through assimilation it proved that all that mattered was the spark. Everything else was irrelevant. War happend because of their bodies and socially constructed identities. Megatron destroyed it all.
Recently, I binge watched both Beast Wars and Beast Machines one after the other. In retrospect, BM follows the formula and only really changes tone towards the end of Season 1, and every character felt more fleshed out if you follow the timeline
Megatron in Beast Machines: Remember how I tried to take over Cybertron back in Beast Wars by going back into the past and changing the future? Turns out I could have just done THIS the whole time! (Still no idea what that "THIS" he had done was though :/)
@@humangirl2122 I love monsters. They look so fucking cool! Take Godzilla for example. Who would've imagine an oversized dinosaur with dorsal plates would look so menacing?
I reckon he was damaged once arriving at Cyberton. Floated in Space then fell through Cybertrons atmosphere. Though he survived he was damaged but his transmetals 2 powers should be able to heal him.
Dunno why but I always wished Tarantulas returned in beast machines, unlike most predacons besides megatron and dinobot he was honestly pretty unique, considering how knowledgeable he was.
There’s this one Inferno toy that is a repaint of Cybertron Scrapmetal that could fit well with the BM Vehicons as if he actually survived BW and still serves Megatron into BM. Megatron gives him a new body and is now a Vehicon.
I think they should make an alterate reality/timeline series set after beast wars aftermath so we can forget about beast machines. A new tv series based on the Beast Wars Gathering/Ascending comics would be cool.
Exactly, my dream is for them to just say beast machines never happened and make a true sequel to beast wars where they take on the Tripredacus council.
If Beast machines were to have a better storyline that properly continues the Beast wars era, It should have been this. A Cybertron Predacon vs Maximal War that would have forced everyone to use earth animals for Beast modes from their archives to fight this war. Our main maximal team would have been the surviving soldiers of the Beast wars on earth. Introducing new predacons to aid Megatron in order to fight the maximals.
Beast Machines was exciting, dark and tension filled. I used to stay up late to watch it Friday nights on Bionix on YTV. I enjoyed it but it's definitely a far cry from the original series. The set up was shaky and the ending was vague but it had lots of atmosphere, mystery and the ride was enjoyable. Lots of worse shows out there.
If they lost their transmetal bodies and the oracle gave them back, id be down for that, because lets be honest, the techno organic forms werent the best, and it looked like a very slight power upgrade from their transmetal forms.
What's even more disturbing about Megatron, is how long he was isolated on Cybertron. Were his robots just stationary statues or did he go out of his way to simulate a thriving society with biker drones flooding the streets and jet drones zipping by from time to time or tank drones voicelessly fighting to give the impression of personality? The thought of isolation is further supported in episode 3. Megatron just used his beast mode after who knows how long, and needed answers to why he transformed, so he created a maintenance bot to be his personal nurse. Giving a sigh of relief when another voice gave him good news in a very long time. Even how he interacts with his generals. He talks to them like constructs and punishes them far more harshly than any of the predacons he lead prior. Rhinox being in control of the Tankor body is a perfect example. Instead of mentioning him by name, Megatron reminds the tank general that he is nothing more than a ghost in a machine. His maintenance bot suggesting free will was enough to enrage Megatron, proving that the little guy is nothing more than his programmed yes man.
Honestly, I wish we could get an inbetween series that would GO BACK and fill in the gaps BETWEEN Beast Wars and Beast Machines to show HOW far back in time Megatron got back on Cybertron and took it over and got that machine like body before the Maximals returned, and maybe even show us when he took over and built the drones and took out Autobot and Decepticons we know sparks and especially the missing Maximals, Silverbolt and Rhinox’s sparks after being captured… It feels like a majorly missed opportunity… I know it probably would have been a very dark series for kids back then, BUT it would have been so cool to see the Maximals crash land and just run for their lives and match it up with the flashbacks… At least 8 episodes that would lead into the BM series … I think that’s why Beast Machines felt like a major disconnect for me despite loving Beast Wars so much growing up in the 90’s…. 😩 PLEASE Mainframe Entertainment, give us some nostalgia back by giving us what we miss!!!!!!
Theory: The reason why Megatron grew to despise organic life forms and Beast Modes is the result of when he Transfused his Spark with G1 Megatron’s spark.
Megatron might have won the Beast Wars, but that doesn't make Optimus and the Maximals give up hope, and as long as they keep fighting, hope will be upon Cybertron.
Why couldn't they created continuous of Beast wars series called: "Beast Wars :"The Combiners" like their g1 ancestors did that would be a lot cooler than beast machine if one of the producers from the show have other ideas
The fact that Megatron committed omnicide and used their sparks into his Vehicons is just pure evil. He escaped custody and ruled Cybertron with an iron fist, ridding Cybertron of all things organic and turning the planet into a "single elegant machine". This Predacon leader was going to become a godlike figure, the next Primus.
No. They should make a series from the Beast Wars Gathering/ Ascending comics. All the maximal protoforms that survived, half being turned into predacons by a wireless shell program by Magmatron, sent after Megatron by the Tripredacus councils after Ravage's mission fails and the Beast Wars Neo/II maximals join with Leo Convoy and his maximals. They could have used a mix of Transformers Prime CGI as it was the next best thing after Beast Wars animation.
@@JoaquinEduardo-gt4sm yes. Exact replica. But the thing is,Optimal Optimuses body is the most op one so far. Megatrons Dragon body is much more weaker in BW,and only reason why he keep up with/beating up Optimus was because he has G1 Megatrons spark. This is why Optimus can keep up with him in BM when he was still a dragon. Writers constantly had to nerf Optimal Optimus in S3 with diffrent methods. And this is why Megatron go full on ape slag with Optimal body. Besides Optimal Optimus only used his Beast mode once. So thats not makes it that much diffrent.
I do not understand where Megatrons hatred for any organic beings and his technocratic ideas came from. He actually wanted to continue the legacy of the Decepticons by becoming the leader of the Predacons and conquer cybertron.
Yeah, they never quite explained where Megatron's fanatics for technological purity and his hatred for organics and individuality came from. He just... did.
I think after gaining power, losing so many times and feeling humiliated sent him off the edge. He was a metal megalomaniac as Blackarachnia once called him. I think G1 Megatrons spark corrupted him further too. I don't know where the anger making him lose control and transform came form, like his beast form had a mind of its own.
It was implied going through the transparp without being inside a ship drove him crazy. That's what led to his hate of organic life even though most cybertronians are techincally organic but look like robots. And eventually taking sparks out of everyone so he can be alone on a planet of zombie machines.
you know im kinda on megatrons side not for being a dictator but because he wants cybertron to remain machine not turn into an organic or techno organic planet lol
To be fair he lost the Beast Wars because he never completed his goal of altering EARTH history of erasing the autobots. He did however accomplish his alternative goal of ruling Cybertron.....although I ignore the continuity of Beast Machines
I guess Shockwave was off planet for the entire series... only to come back at the end.. revert the planet back into metal just in time for G1 to start. From what I remember when the real Megatron used the space bridge to get back... there was no sign of any of this....
Beast machines takes place after the autobot beat the cons. The only reason the maximal saw the old Optimus was because they travelled through time. That was the plot of beast wars beast wars megatron traveled back in time to kill g1 Optimus to change the course of history and let the cons win.
The only problem I have with this story is that it basically kills off Primus who is the transformer God of life. How do you explain that he wants plants trees organic life when he is basically a metallic being forged by the same energy that made Unicron it's a tough sell if you know the full story of the transformers and I think it kind of erroneously kills him off in this story or at least neuters him
I mean it used to be that Primus was a multiversal singularity with each cybertron being different based on the reality it was held it. If you think that makes it confusing... it wasn't really. Not until the aligned continuity was made apart of the multiverse.
You're right he's original body was destroyed he only had his transmetal form that also raises another question what the hell happened to Optimus Prime's spark when primal was devolved? Did Megatron take it or did it just disappear? You know I used to like Beast machines but after rewatching it I really hate it now I never realized how bad it was until now
@@maximoomega3691 a ton of shit just didn't make sense with beast machines which the most unfortunate thing I learned was that the writers had never seen beast wars because they were told not to watch it for some reason
I liked the idea of a continued Beast Wars on Cybertron But I did not like the near religious of the Allspark and other stuff required to transform or push the plot forward These are advanced machines
Apparently the original plan was for them to fight back against the Vehicons as the virus slowly devolved them until they ended up in their Season 1 Beast Wars bodies. However, this was deemed too complicated for the animators, and we are left with the admittedly comical sight of Optimal Optimus and the Maximals *running away.*
The events of Beast Machines wouldn't have happened if Megatron was held inside the ship.
Moral of Beast Machines: Always properly secure your prisoners.
Garth Davis I think he was too big to fit if I remember correctly
TheChapelx nice try, Optimal was bigger. They could've easily brought him in the ship
What if he was & the Maximals returned safely to Cybertron, & then Megatron escaped with the help of other rouge Predacons, then he unleashed the virus, with the Maximals surviving & leading a resistance movement against the Vehicons!
Todd Davis no...megatron would be reyes right away if they were in the same time zone.
Big fuck up chaining him on the outside of the ship
This series broke my heart as a kid. Every episode was so painful finding out what Megatron did to literally everyone
I personally don't consider BM the same continuity, but I think its hilarious that the ending of the Maximals have Megatron tied up outside the ship INSTEAD of the inside literally spelt their doom.
Nevermind the fact the whole plot of Beast Machines makes no sense. Megatron falls off the Maximals ship which means he should be dead, and then he somehow made it to Cybertron and killed everyone taking over the planet, I don't think it was ever explained how that happened either.
@@thedude9941not really. His new body is powerfull enough to survive from that. Simple. That green GAS.
@@thedude9941 Transwarp space goes through space AND time as explained by Rhinox in the first episode of Beast Wars. Meaning when Megatron fell off the Maximals ship, he ended up arriving to Cybertron earlier than the maximals, thus putting in motion the events of Beast Machines
I dont get why they didt kill him.
@@DragonBallsolosyourverse probably do that he'd answer for his crimes. Get info why he did it. Etc.
This show, as a sequel to Beast Wars, is frustrating since it throws away everything that was established but, by itself, I think Beast Machines was actually good. Not perfect by any means, but I liked it. I loved the darker tone. I loved how more intimidating Megatron became. Most Maximals personnalities were thrown away but Cheetor was an evolution of what he was, he made sense in this show. We saw him growing up from a young reckless kid to a mature young adult.
And Blackarachnia lost a bit of her dark side and being a techno head like Tarantulas but I think it was just her true maximal self shining through (how she would have been if she hasn't been made predacon)
I think the maximal behavioral changes were justifiable. Optimus had a religious experience, so he started acting religiously. Rattrap, knowing how outnumbered they were, seemed more cowardly because he was scared. He's got a high sense of self-preservation. Silverbolt remembered who he was as Jetstorm and was ashamed of his behavior. It actually reminds me of childhood dreams being utterly shattered as life takes its toll on you.
Cheetor's development was one of the good things in the show, I agree. He was much more mature and competent while retaining some of the original personality.
@@saviitrius still, Rattrap was capable of being toe to toe against Megatron
Sometimes even taking leadership
Beast Machines was a complete involution for him, even taking further toll into his robot form, that looked like a joke
@@condedepiamonte93 I had to look up that word cause for a moment I thought you meant to type "devolution," but I'm still not sure what you mean. Are you saying that the show did him injustice? That would be a shame, cause my favorite episode is the one in which he made that deal with Megatron. (And I actually love his new robot mode.) But I'm not particularly nitpicky about things like this.
Beast wars definitely pushed the limits of cgi in the 90’s
Well at least the show acknowledges just how inferior their new bodies were in comparison to Transmetal tech.
When in imaginary land because they never once said that.
@@Shadothecat _When in imaginary land because they never once said that._
Are you kidding?? The final battle between Optimus and Megatron in Endgame (the battle before the Oracle, Key to Vector Sigma, and Plasma Energy Chamber came into play) proves this is true.
@@Deined yeah and this was megatrons first time using optimus body too. if it was optimus from beast wars that was familiar with the body he would've pounded the beast machine optimus even quicker.
@@Deined only optimus even then optimal was by far the strongest guy on the block beside few exceptions he was the exception not the norm
@@frankspick7544 _beside few exceptions he as the_ _exception not the norm
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Eh, in Blackarachnia's case it's debatable, but Cheetor's Transmetal 2 form was definitely more powerful than his reformatted form.
This is all, of course, before we consider the boost Primal's team temporarily got from Cybertron's captured sparks.
i love the detail of not showing silverbolt’s transformation. i know its most likely due to the fact they had no idea what he would devolve into. but it definitely makes it all the more heartbreaking when we find out what did happen. he was forced to become someone else entirely
He didn't actually devolve to anything. The virus was a anti-transformation virus, which locked transformation and paralyzed the victim. The devolution was a side-effect for those who had gone through evolutions.
The reason why Silverbolt and Rhinox were captured was because the virus not only locked their ability to transform but also paralyzed them
I just figured he became his proto form.
I don't think he would technically devolve into anything. He had a basic beast form like the others devolved into it was just a fusion of two different animals.
@@177SCmarothe problem is that the virus Megatron used also removed transmetalization and both Quickstrike and Silverbolt are at least part Transmetal so we don't know for sure what would happen to his body
@@jacksbrow182
Again, neither had a form to devolve into. What we saw was their base form. All the others had "evolved" two or more stages past their initial base form except for Rinox.
The only thing silverbolt could possibly devolve into would be his blank slate form like in the status pods.
2:15 why do I get the feeling that's Hasbro talking through megatron?
So... Megatron killed both Maximals and Predacons. He ruined the Decepticon legacy. But... if we think about it, Megatron won. He did what 1st Megatron and all Decepticons wanted to accomplish - he took control over whole Cybertron permanentny. He became the leader of Cybertron and all Transformers. He did it, yeeess...
Azereso A
The decepticon legacy was irrelevant to him , he was the faction and the planet. He was basically only second to primus if he got his way
Azereso A That is why this Megatron rules! Literally!
That’s what I loved about beast machines, it was no longer about factions.
G1 megatron: "Silence!!!!!!"
That's what he would tell beast wars megatron.
What Transformers?! There was nothing left but an army of mindless drones subservient to only Megatron.
As villains go, Beast Wars Megatron dwarfs even the original Gen 1 Megatron. He succeeded where the original failed: conquering Cybertron and remaking it in his image. And he did it even though, as Ravage scornfully told him, he lacked the original Megatron's army. He never had more than a few followers at any given time, and when he escaped between Wars and Machines he arrived on Cybertron completely by himself. Talk about doing more with less!
mam162
... Yeah but it was all a fluke. He didn't plan getting to Cybertron first, neither does how he did it make any sense
mam162 But G1 Megatron and his Decepticons did takeover Cybertron as shown in the 1986 movie. It's only because Unicron attacked Cybertron that the Decepticons abandoned Cybertron and they ended up on planet Char.
bagsikdangal
And technically speaking, Shockwave was ruling Cybertron when they left. They only forced out all the Autobots in the movie... in a way, Megatron held Cybertron throughout Season 1 and 2.
@@PSNragglefraggle1 Megatron probably had the virus as an ace up his sleeve the whole time but no one to really use it on.
@@Taospark i think it's said the virus was something his former boss made in the comics
Seeing the old designs just make me miss them more. Especially after seeing Optimus's freaky face right after. I get they wanted redesigns to sell more toys. But couldn't the redesigns be, y'know...good?
They are good.
@@humangirl2122 pales in comparison
@@Silentevil7 No,they are perfect!
@@humangirl2122 I dissagre
@@stratagemSG1 They are just fine the way they are.
I forgot how messed up Megatron was when he tried to separate his cybertron body from his organic dragon body. Seeing his dragon mode was kinda horrifying.
The Beast Wars ended the moment that the Maximals left the prehistoric Earth with Megatron as prisioner. The Maximals actually won the war. Whatever happened between leaving the Earth and arriving to Cybertron was no part of the Beast Wars. Megatron said he won out of his monstruous ego and arrogance, but that's a lie. He arrived to Cybertron before the Maximals and slaved it, but that was no part of the Beast Wars, but the Beast Machines' saga.
It's funny that Megs claims that he won the Beast Wars, yet he wants to get rid of his organic/beast half. That doesn't sound like he won the Beast Wars. If anything, him trying to get rid of his organic/beast half, is like him having PTSD from the Beast Wars. Or should it be PTBWSD(Post Traumatic Beast Wars Strees Disorder)?
@@bagsikdangal More or less, yeah. Megatron claimed his victory in the Beast Wars all because of his arrogance and inability to accept defeat.
Megatron was actually correct. The Maximals were tasked to capture Megatron. They did but then lost him. Megatron made it back to Cybertron before they did and re written their future. The Maximals failed their mission and because of their failure it costed them cybertron.
@@bthesilentgames Wrong. The whole point of the Beast Wars came because Megatron wanted to change the future, allowing the Decepticons to win the Great War. Ultimately, that was avoided and the Maximals leave the prehistoric Earth more or less how it was. THAT part was won. The problem came in their journey back home. Megatron escaped, and through the time tunel, he arrived Cybertron before the Maximals. Megatron didn't actually "change the future", he returned to the Maximals' "present", and the problems that the Maximals had in the time tunnel caused them to take more time to arrive Cybertron. These are actually typical problems that come when Time Travel is involved.
@Bags IDK why Megatron was bothered with his Beast Mode. He never complained about it once during the Beast Wars. In fact at the time he like his transformations when he 1st got them.
It broke my heart to see them loose their awesome transmetal bodies
Tyler Kelly For the sake of new toys.
And how did their memories get wiped?
Megatron's nano-virus damaged their processors
@@bagsikdangal nothing wrong with that but they looked horrible in beast machines, too much organic and ugly
@@biphronte for me look great awesome and original
Anyone else weirded out by the disconnecting-and-reconnecting wires behind Megatron’s Head? Seriously, it’s like looking at a still functioning brain with electrical neuron activity.
Maybe that’s the point. And given Megatron’s preaching about robotic perfection, I find it kind of hilarious.
This Megatron is forever the ONLY one that won. Let the history books reflect this as his majesty, his glory...a single elegant machine, forever will this Megatron be the brilliant leader that Cybertron needed.
But not the leader that Cybertron deserved
Yeeessss...
Eh, he still lost in the end, though.
Technically, that would be the Megatron of the Alligned continuity, because Megatron lost his life in Beast Machines.
BW Megatron : Yesss. My infiltration of the production company to make them hire that fool Dan Didio paid tremendous dividends. After he issued me a Full Villain Sue license, having an absurd advantage throughout all of Beast Machines was child's play.
Oh yes. Dan DiDio. The reason why I always thought Beast Machines was a questionable portion of the Transformers world. Under someone else it had a potential to be better, but instead it was an overly dark, depressing mess with no clear direction. If the Maximal victory was going to be torched then the central story line of Beast Machines needed to be of much more compelling and higher quality. Instead it was overall a wreck much like DiDio has been wrecking DC Comics since become Vice President/Executive Editor there in 2004. DC sadly has become an overly dark and morbid mess much along the lines of what DiDio did with Beast Machines. And that's a shame since DC Comics characters were a pert of my childhood right beside Transformers.
Well according to the TF Fandom, seeing as we got Armada, Energon, and Cybertron out of it people have reevaluated Beast Machines in a more positive light. I still don't like it and it doesn't help that Dan Didio called a "religious epic for TV".
Goku Black
TNT's 'Joseph' was a religious epic for TV. Beast Machines was the Proto-Countdown.Although, to be fair, many might have turned to their religion after reading or viewing anything by Didio.
The problem isn't that Beast Machines is horrible, the problem is that it's a sequel to Beast Wars and it was clearly written by people that didn't watch/care about Beast Wars.
Speak for yourself, I grew up with both Beast Wars and Beast Machines and preferred the darker tone of this show compared to the jovial one in Beast Wars. I disagree with the idea that these stories shouldn't ever be "depressing" or have any tragedy, I personally get sick of all the happy bullshit in cartoons because it's clear they're just pandering to the viewer to avoid making them feel uncomfortable. I do agree that they could have handled this story better but overall I'm glad this exists, it was unique for the time and gave us some of the best versions of these characters.
Beast machines isn't popular because of it's religious concept and organic designs, but you have to admit it's deeply thought out and has 1 plot hole (waspinator being catapulted through time and space)
He wasnt waspinator stated he flew back on his own power after the primitive human overthrew him.
It had potential but I didnt like the plot with Optimus' character changing into a plant guru rather than a serious but caring military general like leader he was in Beast Wars, and Megatron never really fought much. That and its criticism of being too dark (as in the lighting was always at night) and they really nerfed Rattrap bad.
You don't count Megatron getting back to Cybertron faster than spaceship a plot hole?!
@@melvinharris916forgot about that,
I always assumed he flew down as they we're going threw time and got to Cybertron a few years early 🤷♂️. Still a plot hole though.
@@Brandon-McFadden. yeah I do like Beasts Wars more then Beasts Machine
2:46 R.I.P. Soundwave.
Am I correct to assume he shielded Kup from getting slagged? So, that part of the time line survives, all of Kup's heroic war stories -_-
Survivors should have learned how to make their own cheese, not to protect themselves from Megatron, but for sound suppression to prevent blowing any amplifiers in their audio circuits.
Kup : "...and then their was that ONE TIME, I got to Vrraxius Signus and did battle with a Quintason, that believed it had it's own emmy-award winning daytime talk show panel about fashion, entertainment, and gossip!"
Any other sentient being : XpX
Shockwave : "Did they discuss for to make the fondue recipe for the eligible bachelor/(forever alone)?"
Soundwyane
@Doctor Tophat their just in stasis lock on the Ark their not dead
@@themarylandgoatman4475
That was the past ark
This show was so freaking cool. After binge-watching Beast Wars, I took everyone's warnings to heart and expected this sequel to be a trainwreck. I was pleasantly surprised by how good it was.
You're the only one who feels that way.
which is bad since everyone forgets about the overall mess the series Energon is then there's the bay movies, and at the bottom of that...a little something known as kiss players...NEVER look at kiss players...
Nooooooo don't remind me.
sorry lol
To honest I enjoy Beast machines, however it is a terrible sequel to beast wars. the characters of Rat trap and Blackarchnia seem to have changed over night if you watch beast wars first. Also while the amnesia thing worked back before Beast wars season 3 was broadcast on TV now we know this line from megatron is nothing but a lie to mess with optimus.
Beast Machines: I had good ideas but poor execution.
Dragon Ball GT: Your not the only one with that problem.
You did not have poor execution Beast Machines.
Beast Machnes:You are right.I'm just fine the way I am.
@@humangirl2122 It actually did to be honest. I like the idea of the whole nature vs tech thing, Cybertron being Techorganic and some other stuff.
But like with Dragon Ball GT the idea was handle poorly therefor why Beast Machines has really mixed reactions by Transformers Fans.
@@devilishprime1987 You are wrong!
@@humangirl2122 How is having the opinion is wrong? If you like Beast Machines all right to you.
But I wanted to explain that you trying to take your opinion as facts to other users on the Internet and trying to start drama just for clout and attention.
I still don't understand why people don't like GT, I've watched it numerous times and I still love it, please God help.
Seriously, how can someone who got strapped to the hull of a moving spaceship for the ride home claim victory in the Beast Wars?
By escaping, then completing his original goal of conquering Cybertron.
All by himself...with no army? One lone bot conquers an entire planet? How could he even get to cybertron from slipspace without a ship, much less survive without instantly dying ?
The warp was through space and time, for all we know Dragon Transmetal Megatron landed on Cybertron centuries before the Maximals showed up!
@@tobiaswalker7562 I reckon he arrived a year or so earlier. His beast mode looks damaged. Either by trying to remove his beast form or from burning up falling through Cybertron atmosphere but surviving. You'd think cybertronians would have seen him or tried arresting him but he seemed to slip past their radar.
@@LJGrindewald he was actively trying to remove his organic form. As hinted in season 3 bw. Megatron wanted a body like optimal optimus but got the dragon form instead.
Putting megatron outside the ship was the biggest mistake they ever did. Then beast machines wouldnt of happen. Prbly the beast wars may have continued again at cybertron
They should have removed his Dragon head arm and put him in stasis lock in a large stasis pod and kept him with them..silent then he'd be put on trial by the council of elders and Tripredacus council.
After 20 years this still looks good.
Before Game of Thrones there was Beast Wars.
I love Beast Machines but one thing that hurts me is seeing them losing their Transmetal bodies but it’s All apart of the story and to sell more toys.
Darkest and most Original Transformers show ever. At the time it was so difficult to digest. But today there are several things I like from this show. Hope we get to see a sequel one day.
Try the 'Universe' comics, they are a sequel to Beast Machines.
Oh boy, it looks like we won the war! I sure hope no contrivances occur, causing us to severely lose the upper hand. : )
If only Dinobot was still living with them !😞
Don't forget Tigatron, Airazor and Depth Charge.
nope their dead
HudsonValleyGuyVideos 1 tigertron and airazor were eaten by a plant monster and 2 the vok fused their body's into tigerhawk witch later got obliterated by megatron.
HudsonValleyGuyVideos Airazor and Tigatron became Tigerhawk.
stevey j I miss him to
Megatron has come a long way from being taken out by a fart.
A fart visible FROM SPACE!!
@@jorgecarreras4214No wonder he spesifically take down Rhinox first.
As awesome as this show is (yes I know I'm in a minority here) I feel that it missed out on a really good story opportunity. When G1 ended, the Autobots were in a stable alliance with Earth to the point that some humans worked and even lived on Cybertron, and Transformers on both sides had allies from various other planets, both organic and robotic. They could have expanded on these facts, saying that they are still allied with futuristic Earth and the other planets to the point that there are human colonies on Cybertron. Of course Megatron would see them as a blight on his perfect technosphere and would attempt to wipe them out, which would lead to them attempting to leave Cybertron and go to the other allied planets. But they find out that Megatron already sent vehicons to the other planets, capturing the Cybertronians and wiping out all of the allied aliens, destroying the organics, and melting down the robotics to make more vehicons, all to make sure that nobody who can fight him remains. This in turn means that there is nowhere for the human colonists to go, leaving them stranded on Cybertron. Imagine the story potential of the Maximals meeting a human resistance.
From what I read, I think humans were wiped out. It's why they aren't on Cybertron or talked about in beast wars. Apparently. The reason the Vok are doing their experiments on prehistoric earth and leaving energon and puzzles for them to solve, it's like an apology for being behind their demise and they're re-writing that for humans. I think the Vok were known as the swarm before.
That would require a higher budget, that this series hadn't
@@LJGrindewald cool, where did you find this information? It's fascinating I had no idea what happened to the humans in beast wars and was always curious.
@@cygnusprime6728 I'm not entirely sure but I read it somewhere. It was on many pages 🤔
@@LJGrindewald In Beast Wars, the two factions are stranded on Prehistoric Earth.
How did Optimus Primal revert to his pre transmetal form when his body was destroyed in the Planet Buster crisis and the gorilla DNA along with it? So shouldn't Megatron's virus turn him back into his transmetal form?
His spark was halfway to join the Matrix, Rhinox saved him and brought him back to life with a transmetal body. And don't forget one robot arm broke through the dirt in the start of season 2 episode one
UGHHH! So THAT'S why they lost their awesome bodies?!
mdizzle999872 I know right? Lame as fuck. Weak plot device
Exactly, all these time machine plot is stupid.
New bodies, new toys, new toys more $$$. Bottom line is its always about the $$$.
BTW i actually enjoyed the story here. Very unique a d different.
Mr. Mark so, just to clarify, does the Beast Wars series end before or after they returned to Cybertron? The way it was edited made it hard for me to tell where Beast Wars ended and Beast Machines began
If this Megatron had succeeded in becoming the core Conscious of Cybertron, he would have swallowed Unicron for breakfast.
Seriously, think of all the variations of Megatron, G1, Armada, Prime, and all, none of them can reach this Megatron's level. He did things none of them would ever consider.
Whereas G1 Megatron would have killed or enslaved you, Beast Wars/Machines Megatron will tear your soul out, and melt your body into raw materials for drones, and eat your soul in the process. Truly the most tyrannical version of them all.
It also makes Optimus Primal the greatest and most heroic version as well. Resorting to guerilla warfare since the Maximals were clearly outnumbered, and outgunned.
P.S. Notice how Optimus Primal rejects Cybertronian technology and returns to Monke? He's truly the ascended one.
In the Transformers Universe comics (the sequel to Beast Machines) Tarantulas returns and reveals he was serving Unicron's agenda. Primus then resurrects Optimus Primal to defeat them, implying even the God of the Transformers believes him to be the greatest hero in history.
Well, it's no Kiss Players, but I can confidently say that I would rather watch Beast Wars.
WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT KISS PLAYERS.
Primal de-evolved into a body he doesn't have anymore.
Just realized. If Optimus just did some quick thinking and turned the ship around, they could've gotten to safe space and be able to regroup. They might've come to the conclusion that Megatron arrived earlier than them, messing something up. Then they could've gone back into transwarp, and try to arrive at an earlier point in time to try and stop Megatron's plan.
Hell, they could've tried to find a transwarp ship while they were on Cybertron and try to change the present. Though, Megs probably anticipated that and had all time travel technology destroyed. But still, food for thought :p
Nicholas Maslennikov if dinobot lived he might have been a vehicon but rattrap would get through to him with the disses and save him
Goku Black Why do you think he would had been a Veihcon? He was a Transmetal 2. All characters who were Transmetalized reverted back to their original forms. Dinobot would had just gone back to his original form.
Dinobot Kiryu yeah true but transmetal 2 was a clone but perhaps after he regained his memories of the original dinobot instead of being killed off he could have played a bigger role in beast machines
Goku Black That's what I have always said. I was annoyed when I saw him die for a second time. I felt it was a wast of a character. Same thing with Tigerhawk. Wouldn't it had been cool to see Dinobot 2 communicate with the original Dinobot from the Oracle?
Dinobot Kiryu yeah it would be like communicating with himself literally and as for tigerhawk cool character but too bad he was only for 3 episodes
2:46 that bot looks like Soundwave
Jerome Peries it does
It is soundwave thats why
@@bacon6200 Soundwave is on the ark still
@@themarylandgoatman4475 oh k
@@themarylandgoatman4475 That was 4 million years ago man, the War is over now. Beast Wars was in the past, Beast Machines is in the modern day
Every time I see a 2010-2014 Camaro's front-end, I can't help but think back to Megatron's face.... particularly the eyes.
ill always love Beast Machines, yes its not perfect but its far better than anything we’ve gotten since
Transformers Prime was excellent.
So was Animated
@@zemox2534 Wrong.
I loved Beast Wars and Beast Machines.
It feels pretty weird seeing BW models and voices in BM. Also, BW Megatron was really a sort of "technological god" in this show. He wiped out all of Cybertron and took away everyone's spark and used their bodies as drones.
Cybertron's sparks were never extinguished. Megatron just stole them from their bodies and then locked them up and threw away the key. LITERALLY.
Nice to see all the flashback scenes put together like this.
While I can respect the writers for having the balls to do this, it still makes all 3 seasons of Beast Wars totally useless. And as someone who loved that show, I can't help but feel somewhat insulted.
well no beasr war save the earth hut fuck cybertron
What makes you think this makes BW's three seasons pointless? They managed to prevent Megatron from screwing over the timeline of the Autobots and the Decepticons. While Megatron still managed to win, it isen't a total loss. It would have been if Megatron had gone back to prehistoric Earth and tampered with the timeline again without the Maximals being able to stop him.
I actually question season 3 of Beast wars more than Beastmachines if Megatron truly destroyed the ark his dreams of Predacon conquest would be retroactively aborted; no Matrix= no way to stop Unicron so yeah RIP universe
Not useless as it was planned by the Oracle to bring techno organic back to cypertron. Same with the plant maximal in season 2
Beast machines had some good ideas in it but bad execution
Dauda András agreed
Not true!
@@humangirl2122 fair enough
"Beast Wars ended perfectly, let's insult the fans by undoing ALL of it!"
Ghad, I was SO right to ditch this show. I watched the first episode, smelled the stench of bullshit retconning and "NOPE!"ed right out of there. Everything about this show screams "Written by people who had barely glanced at the source material." And it was, the writers for Beast Wars took a break for a year, came back to see this abomination and did try to salvage it in the second season but it was too little too late.
And yes folks, if you don't think the character designs were hideous, you need glasses.
I agree. The disrespect to BW and the ugly designs make it impossible to truly like the show as much as I wanted to. Which is sad because some of the ideas it had were cool and I wish later reboots did something like Megatron's plan here, the fact that the heroes were under a Cybertron totally under the villain's control, and the idea of a pure organic transformer like Savage/Noble. Good concepts, bad execution.
I liked all of the new designs except for Optimus' both beast and robot modes, and Silverbolt's beast mode. Personally if I saw them in real life I wouldn't care. But this is a show, so make them look good. I wish Optimus could have kept his "Optimal" look. I thought he was really cute and it was the most expressive. Also, Silverbolt needs a censor bar over his throat.
@@ArcherBro The designs wern't ugly.
@@humangirl2122 I'm sorry but 99 percent of the people here say they are ugly. Because even if they were reanimated it wouldn't change bad character design.
@@danitankmen8213 They are all wrong!The maximal's are not ugly and their character design are not bad!
On the real, because Primal took Megatron prisoner instead of killing him, he doomed Cybertron. So in a way, Megatron was right.
Why the hell is optimus running? He can turn into a tank that has far more speed and firepower than a tank drone, his robot mode is also bigger than a tank drone, or better yet he could just pick cheetor up and fly away. I mean what the hell are the jet drones gonna do? Pebble him with tiny gunfire? He's massive! and can't cheetor also fly too? What the hell guys? A couple of mindless drones is nothing compared primal in a giant murder body! Let's think about this. Optimus primal in his reformatted form could take out and even pick up multiple tank drones by himself. Megatron in optimus's old body, beat his new bodies ass. So why couldn't Optimal optimus just nuke the fucking place with how overpowered he is? I call bullshit.
He could have transformed into his flight mode and all the others could have ridden him and his form can go supersonic. Could have flown away and found a place to hide. Would have been more exciting.
Want to know why? A logical reason to why is a cybertronian equivalent to adrenaline, they just got off the battered ship, only for them to be attacked, first instinct from danger, run.
Flying would be better than running.
because not matter how powerful your they were freaking out number plus the virus would of dealt with him plus flying dosn't really help when the virus could lett be drop from any wear
As far as I’m concerned megatron is the hero of the story because ultimately transformers were stuck in an endless war between two factions. Transformers only saw themselves according to their factions when their identities were in truth their sparks. This is why the vehicle generals being former maximals was a stroke of genius it showed how the confusion of social identity and culture lead to war and that cybertronians were really killing and murder ing their own kind over differences in body type snd programming. Which denied what they truly were which was sparks. When megatron removed sparks from their bodies he divided everything. Down to the base component. When he was going to murder their identities through assimilation it proved that all that mattered was the spark. Everything else was irrelevant. War happend because of their bodies and socially constructed identities. Megatron destroyed it all.
Recently, I binge watched both Beast Wars and Beast Machines one after the other. In retrospect, BM follows the formula and only really changes tone towards the end of Season 1, and every character felt more fleshed out if you follow the timeline
Megatron in Beast Machines: Remember how I tried to take over Cybertron back in Beast Wars by going back into the past and changing the future? Turns out I could have just done THIS the whole time!
(Still no idea what that "THIS" he had done was though :/)
Good show, My only gripe is the character designs. I would side with megatron just because of their designs
The Maximal's design's were just fine!
@@humangirl2122 No
@@lordshotgun7168 Yes they were!
@@lordshotgun7168 You are a monster!
@@humangirl2122 I love monsters. They look so fucking cool! Take Godzilla for example. Who would've imagine an oversized dinosaur with dorsal plates would look so menacing?
I am actually curious in seeing how Megatron took over the planet Cybertron. I also would like to had seen where he got that scar from.
I reckon he was damaged once arriving at Cyberton. Floated in Space then fell through Cybertrons atmosphere. Though he survived he was damaged but his transmetals 2 powers should be able to heal him.
So... Megatron won the Beast Wars, by taking over Cybertron off screen after he lost the Beast Wars? Sounds legit.
I still don't know how Megatron survived without a spacecraft in warp zone and how did he capture Rhinox and turn him into tanks.
Dunno why but I always wished Tarantulas returned in beast machines, unlike most predacons besides megatron and dinobot he was honestly pretty unique, considering how knowledgeable he was.
Inferno should've returned.
@@DirgeHole-2866 really? I don’t hate him but he didn’t have much character did he?
There’s this one Inferno toy that is a repaint of Cybertron Scrapmetal that could fit well with the BM Vehicons as if he actually survived BW and still serves Megatron into BM. Megatron gives him a new body and is now a Vehicon.
I think they should make an alterate reality/timeline series set after beast wars aftermath so we can forget about beast machines. A new tv series based on the Beast Wars Gathering/Ascending comics would be cool.
Liam Geoghegan Transtrch!
Never!Beast Machines is a great Transformers series that must not be forgotten.
Beast wars ll and NEO
Yeah about that.... Ascending literally ended with Megatron making planetfall on Cybertron.
Exactly, my dream is for them to just say beast machines never happened and make a true sequel to beast wars where they take on the Tripredacus council.
If Beast machines were to have a better storyline that properly continues the Beast wars era, It should have been this. A Cybertron Predacon vs Maximal War that would have forced everyone to use earth animals for Beast modes from their archives to fight this war. Our main maximal team would have been the surviving soldiers of the Beast wars on earth. Introducing new predacons to aid Megatron in order to fight the maximals.
Considering the limited character models and voice actors they have,they never afford to do something like that.
Beast Machines was exciting, dark and tension filled. I used to stay up late to watch it Friday nights on Bionix on YTV. I enjoyed it but it's definitely a far cry from the original series. The set up was shaky and the ending was vague but it had lots of atmosphere, mystery and the ride was enjoyable. Lots of worse shows out there.
Let's face it: If the designs were not this level of bad, most of the hate for Beast Machines wouldn't exist, because the plot is amazing
If they lost their transmetal bodies and the oracle gave them back, id be down for that, because lets be honest, the techno organic forms werent the best, and it looked like a very slight power upgrade from their transmetal forms.
@@jessecombs5980 Techno organic was perfect!
@@humangirl2122 Perfectly garbage.
@@humangirl2122 Then which is better? The Transmetals and Transmetal 2s from BEAST WARS? or the Techno Organics from BEAST MACHINES?
@@trexindominus8119 IT DOESN’T MATTER!
What's even more disturbing about Megatron, is how long he was isolated on Cybertron. Were his robots just stationary statues or did he go out of his way to simulate a thriving society with biker drones flooding the streets and jet drones zipping by from time to time or tank drones voicelessly fighting to give the impression of personality? The thought of isolation is further supported in episode 3. Megatron just used his beast mode after who knows how long, and needed answers to why he transformed, so he created a maintenance bot to be his personal nurse. Giving a sigh of relief when another voice gave him good news in a very long time. Even how he interacts with his generals. He talks to them like constructs and punishes them far more harshly than any of the predacons he lead prior. Rhinox being in control of the Tankor body is a perfect example. Instead of mentioning him by name, Megatron reminds the tank general that he is nothing more than a ghost in a machine. His maintenance bot suggesting free will was enough to enrage Megatron, proving that the little guy is nothing more than his programmed yes man.
Honestly, I wish we could get an inbetween series that would GO BACK and fill in the gaps BETWEEN Beast Wars and Beast Machines to show HOW far back in time Megatron got back on Cybertron and took it over and got that machine like body before the Maximals returned, and maybe even show us when he took over and built the drones and took out Autobot and Decepticons we know sparks and especially the missing Maximals, Silverbolt and Rhinox’s sparks after being captured… It feels like a majorly missed opportunity… I know it probably would have been a very dark series for kids back then, BUT it would have been so cool to see the Maximals crash land and just run for their lives and match it up with the flashbacks… At least 8 episodes that would lead into the BM series … I think that’s why Beast Machines felt like a major disconnect for me despite loving Beast Wars so much growing up in the 90’s…. 😩 PLEASE Mainframe Entertainment, give us some nostalgia back by giving us what we miss!!!!!!
There is an actuall tie in comics that explains the state of cybertron before Megatron returned and etc. Though ı forget the name of the comics.
It looks like the bad guys are just as smart as the good guys here. Interesting
Carlos Galindo why is that surprising?
koolboy895 because usually the bad guys make dumb decisions that ends up giving the good guys opportunities to defeat them
2:47 is that soundwave and blurr!!!
The transformer that was running was Nightscream
It was only until this video that I saw Megatron in dragon mode outside of his life support body
2:15 is my favorite Megatron line.
Theory: The reason why Megatron grew to despise organic life forms and Beast Modes is the result of when he Transfused his Spark with G1 Megatron’s spark.
2:21 2020 be like:
Honestly the beast modes in this show look awesome, the best thing about it imo
Megatron might have won the Beast Wars, but that doesn't make Optimus and the Maximals give up hope, and as long as they keep fighting, hope will be upon Cybertron.
Why couldn't they created continuous of Beast wars series called: "Beast Wars :"The Combiners" like their g1 ancestors did that would be a lot cooler than beast machine if one of the producers from the show have other ideas
Because it would add more characters in, which would drive up the cost of producing the series if they didn't kill off characters.
The moment he said logical is the moment I started seeing BW Megatron as a combination of g1 Megatron and Shockwave
The fact that Megatron committed omnicide and used their sparks into his Vehicons is just pure evil. He escaped custody and ruled Cybertron with an iron fist, ridding Cybertron of all things organic and turning the planet into a "single elegant machine". This Predacon leader was going to become a godlike figure, the next Primus.
ACtually, Megatron lost the beast wars(its why he ended up a prisoner) but he won the Cybertron war since he became it's leader.
2:46 they killed Soundwave;-;
I wish Hasbro would make a new Beast Wars show set after the original that jettisons Beast Machines out of canon.
Beast Machines is the true Sequel to Beast Wars.
No. They should make a series from the Beast Wars Gathering/ Ascending comics. All the maximal protoforms that survived, half being turned into predacons by a wireless shell program by Magmatron, sent after Megatron by the Tripredacus councils after Ravage's mission fails and the Beast Wars Neo/II maximals join with Leo Convoy and his maximals. They could have used a mix of Transformers Prime CGI as it was the next best thing after Beast Wars animation.
a Beast Wars Uprising animated series would be cool
@@LJGrindewald Beast Machines really is the true sequel to Beast Wars.Everything else you say is wrong!
@@dunkanbulk14 No it wouldn't.
Megatron really made the Maximals victory in the Beast Wars look like it was all for nothing, didn't he?
How the hell Megatron even took over Cybertron where they were heading back to Cybertron after the maximals won the Beast Wars?
Can you imagine what would have happened if the maximals had kept their beast wars body and had not lost it to megatron's gas
Optimal Optimus is to Op. Needed to be nerfed. We saw what Megatron did with Optimal Optimuses body.
@@Vilgax00 that was a replica make from the og optimal optimus body, but with out the beast mode only have the robot and the two vehicles modes
@@JoaquinEduardo-gt4sm yes. Exact replica. But the thing is,Optimal Optimuses body is the most op one so far. Megatrons Dragon body is much more weaker in BW,and only reason why he keep up with/beating up Optimus was because he has G1 Megatrons spark. This is why Optimus can keep up with him in BM when he was still a dragon. Writers constantly had to nerf Optimal Optimus in S3 with diffrent methods. And this is why Megatron go full on ape slag with Optimal body.
Besides Optimal Optimus only used his Beast mode once. So thats not makes it that much diffrent.
2:20 It looks like Mainframe to me.
They gave Silverbolt a man bun, where's the logic in that Megatron?!
Bet they thought that was a real cute idea, chaining Megatron to the back of their ship like a hunting trophy.
Was tying him outside really the best idea they could come up with?
I do not understand where Megatrons hatred for any organic beings and his technocratic ideas came from. He actually wanted to continue the legacy of the Decepticons by becoming the leader of the Predacons and conquer cybertron.
Yeah, they never quite explained where Megatron's fanatics for technological purity and his hatred for organics and individuality came from. He just... did.
I think after gaining power, losing so many times and feeling humiliated sent him off the edge. He was a metal megalomaniac as Blackarachnia once called him. I think G1 Megatrons spark corrupted him further too. I don't know where the anger making him lose control and transform came form, like his beast form had a mind of its own.
HypertronDE he did has Dragon mode before.i am not talking about from Beast Wars.I’m talking about his dragons mode
It was implied going through the transparp without being inside a ship drove him crazy. That's what led to his hate of organic life even though most cybertronians are techincally organic but look like robots. And eventually taking sparks out of everyone so he can be alone on a planet of zombie machines.
first he lost the beast war. second his mantra: "i will brook no failure from anyone or from any reason."
"Megatron wins the Beast Wars" nah they definitely beat his ass, its just that RNGesus felt like giving Megatron something to fuck over the Maximals
*YYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS*
you know im kinda on megatrons side not for being a dictator but because he wants cybertron to remain machine not turn into an organic or techno organic planet lol
Yeah, optimus primal looks horrible
@@biphronte No he didn't!
@@humangirl2122 beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I cant stand robolips
Making Cybertron techno-organic was the only way to save Cybertron.
@@biphronteThere was nothing wrong's with any part of the body.
2:45
Soundwave, how could you give up so easily?!
2:45 That one have the Soundwave's form
To be fair he lost the Beast Wars because he never completed his goal of altering EARTH history of erasing the autobots.
He did however accomplish his alternative goal of ruling Cybertron.....although I ignore the continuity of Beast Machines
YEA IT WAS VERY COOL MAGATRON TAKING OVER CYBERTRON
Eye Megatron you know you got your ass kick in beast wars right.😄
I guess Shockwave was off planet for the entire series... only to come back at the end.. revert the planet back into metal just in time for G1 to start. From what I remember when the real Megatron used the space bridge to get back... there was no sign of any of this....
Beast machines takes place after the autobot beat the cons. The only reason the maximal saw the old Optimus was because they travelled through time. That was the plot of beast wars beast wars megatron traveled back in time to kill g1 Optimus to change the course of history and let the cons win.
The only problem I have with this story is that it basically kills off Primus who is the transformer God of life. How do you explain that he wants plants trees organic life when he is basically a metallic being forged by the same energy that made Unicron it's a tough sell if you know the full story of the transformers and I think it kind of erroneously kills him off in this story or at least neuters him
I mean it used to be that Primus was a multiversal singularity with each cybertron being different based on the reality it was held it.
If you think that makes it confusing... it wasn't really. Not until the aligned continuity was made apart of the multiverse.
Wait my question is why would Optimus revert back to his original form as he technically lost his organic side when he merged with Optimus
No he didnt. Optimal optimus still had a beast mode.
You're right he's original body was destroyed he only had his transmetal form that also raises another question what the hell happened to Optimus Prime's spark when primal was devolved? Did Megatron take it or did it just disappear? You know I used to like Beast machines but after rewatching it I really hate it now I never realized how bad it was until now
@@maximoomega3691 a ton of shit just didn't make sense with beast machines which the most unfortunate thing I learned was that the writers had never seen beast wars because they were told not to watch it for some reason
@@lordtachanka85 damn Hasbro was smoking something new
@@maximoomega3691 No they weren't
I liked the idea of a continued Beast Wars on Cybertron
But I did not like the near religious of the Allspark and other stuff required to transform or push the plot forward
These are advanced machines
I never undestand why the hell the maximals didn´t defend themselves against the vehicons, why they didn´t fight back with their transmetal bodies?
Rodimus Because they're not stupid, it's an entire ARMY
They were hit with the gas almost immediately after landing. Sliverbot and rhinox not having a trans metal form were defeat immediately from the virus
Apparently the original plan was for them to fight back against the Vehicons as the virus slowly devolved them until they ended up in their Season 1 Beast Wars bodies. However, this was deemed too complicated for the animators, and we are left with the admittedly comical sight of Optimal Optimus and the Maximals *running away.*
I agree with most everyone Beast Machines SUCKED IT SUCKED SO BADLY, Beast Wars was way better.
Beast Machines didn't suck it!
Talk about fumbling the football before the goalline....