Hey very well could. I mean his family passed recently. Mind could be elsewhere. Playing a known cheater for money tournaments, who also is very strong. I mean MVL is a 3 headed monster. Wesley, a monster a well. My condolences to the Carlsen family
The chess community is wierd. They have this huge cheating problem, but when they bust a cheater, they keep giving them second chances. Should it matter that the cheater was 12 or 22? If they are competing at a pro level and are caught cheating, they should be permanmently banned.
Least (fill the blank) chess player. I miss the old days when chess was more of a niche game, now a bunch of 400 elo (fill the blank) participate in it
Wait until you see what happens in the corporate community. They not only give known cheaters a second chance, they promote them to executive management and give them multi-million dollar comp packages.
@@Mike_Baldwinand who could blame him? Prolly the right move tbh, just avoid forever and let him do his thing. Magnus never needs to play him for anything
@@carrottoponcrak Absolutely agreed. In fact, I made that comment in haste. Now that I actually take the time to put myself in Magnus shoes..... given his mother, his legacy overall - if it's me, I'm definitely skipping Paris. Withdraw.
@@RbgBennettno it's fine to listen to, but unbearable to watch. Luckily there is Adobe podcast so all you need to do is download the video, extract the audio, run it through the AI enhancement, recombine the new audio file with the video and voila you now have something that is not only listenable, but also watchable as well. And it only takes a couple hours rather than wasting all your time sitting through this entire 20+ minute video
Fabi is a bit too understanding of a cheater as if the age and online are factors to spare a cheater from the reality of having been caught and that the punishment will come when you get older. Your reputation is not saved by that you think you have the right to cheat just because your a teenager. Hans chess doesn't speak for itself but his cheating did, teenager or online doesn't matter. All people playing that don't cheat online deserves to see a cheater be outed
I think Fabi is probably 90% way there in terms of having a fair take on this. The one thing he misses though is when he says Hans has no moral position because he ruined his reputation as a "known" cheater. Everyone should be asking themselves how was he a known cheater? Because his only infringements were on a certain online platform. Their position when dealing with online cheating has been to be give the players discretionary bans if they admit to the offenses. Hans apparently has not been the only high level GM to have done so but yet his name is the only one which was seemingly outed. How exactly did Magnus, Nepo, Fabi or anyone else have reason to suspect Hans has a known cheater? That information could only have come from one source.
Really good point, Hikaru always saying "there were whispers among the top GMs" , like 1. wtf does that even mean; (& to your exact point how) and 2. If thats true, its a horrible look and only actually helps to solidify Han's "conspiracy" narrative
I disagree with part of this. You can know (or be awfully damn sure) an opponent is cheating when you play games without them being proven, convicted cheaters. So it makes a lot of sense that, given that Hans *was* cheating, that a lot of top GMs were on to his schtick, and that they spoke amongst themselves about it.
@@rich842 hikaru forgot that there are "whispers" about him too(like nepo, kramnik aka procedure man, naroditsky etc) so if we follow this logic everyone who play against him should quit after the first move like magnus did, the reality is that they are all like girls, they have to talk bad about everyone beyond your back.
@@SenorCoupon That could be a fair, legitimate point but for a couple of things:- 1. The games he admitted to cheating in were years before and not involving play against any top GMs. 2. Magnus obviously did not hold this belief nor was he "on to his schtick" before the Sinquefield Cup. This isn't speculation but an absolute fact - Play Magnus previously sponsored Hans and he was a brand ambassador for him. That isn't happening if Magnus was in on anything. Additionally, Magnus played Hans twice in Miami in the weeks before. Losing the first time but beating him in the second game. The pair were also photographed just playing a friendly game together on the beach before the competition there began.
They handled it so poorly that Hans is no longer the bad guy. Magnus needs to handle business in Paris if he is going to move past this situation. Was there ever any clarification on why Magnus wouldn't play Hans in the teams? Has to play in Paris though, right? Slave shit.
Sounds like a good fair take, something that is needed here.
Me thinks Hans doth protest too much.
Imagine if magnus loses to hans again 👀
hopefully
Hey very well could. I mean his family passed recently. Mind could be elsewhere. Playing a known cheater for money tournaments, who also is very strong. I mean MVL is a 3 headed monster. Wesley, a monster a well. My condolences to the Carlsen family
@millyviews He still has to show up for Hans unfortunately. History depends on it
I really hope he won't use family events in this drama, that would be really low
The chess community is wierd. They have this huge cheating problem, but when they bust a cheater, they keep giving them second chances. Should it matter that the cheater was 12 or 22? If they are competing at a pro level and are caught cheating, they should be permanmently banned.
I agree.
Least (fill the blank) chess player. I miss the old days when chess was more of a niche game, now a bunch of 400 elo (fill the blank) participate in it
Wait until you see what happens in the corporate community. They not only give known cheaters a second chance, they promote them to executive management and give them multi-million dollar comp packages.
This. Simply This. But our other names also.
Yeah, because we should throw away the key on every 12 year old that makes a mistake. Ridiculous.
Hans is a repeated cheat
Yeppers. Wouldn't surprise me if Magnus skipped.
@@Mike_Baldwinand who could blame him? Prolly the right move tbh, just avoid forever and let him do his thing. Magnus never needs to play him for anything
@@carrottoponcrak Absolutely agreed. In fact, I made that comment in haste. Now that I actually take the time to put myself in Magnus shoes..... given his mother, his legacy overall - if it's me, I'm definitely skipping Paris. Withdraw.
Bad microphone quality makes the video unwatchable
huh? The quality is fine
It's fine to watch. The microphone quality effects the listening more imo.
I agree, but the video quality is so much worse, I can hardly even hear them in this episode.
@@RbgBennettno it's fine to listen to, but unbearable to watch. Luckily there is Adobe podcast so all you need to do is download the video, extract the audio, run it through the AI enhancement, recombine the new audio file with the video and voila you now have something that is not only listenable, but also watchable as well. And it only takes a couple hours rather than wasting all your time sitting through this entire 20+ minute video
@@RbgBennett That's a poor attempt at trying to be clever. Don't be a douche. Cheers.
This Hans guy is not supposed to be playing chess ...if FIDE was fair,the sport will never grow..
Fabi is a bit too understanding of a cheater as if the age and online are factors to spare a cheater from the reality of having been caught and that the punishment will come when you get older.
Your reputation is not saved by that you think you have the right to cheat just because your a teenager.
Hans chess doesn't speak for itself but his cheating did, teenager or online doesn't matter.
All people playing that don't cheat online deserves to see a cheater be outed
I think Fabi is probably 90% way there in terms of having a fair take on this. The one thing he misses though is when he says Hans has no moral position because he ruined his reputation as a "known" cheater. Everyone should be asking themselves how was he a known cheater? Because his only infringements were on a certain online platform. Their position when dealing with online cheating has been to be give the players discretionary bans if they admit to the offenses. Hans apparently has not been the only high level GM to have done so but yet his name is the only one which was seemingly outed. How exactly did Magnus, Nepo, Fabi or anyone else have reason to suspect Hans has a known cheater? That information could only have come from one source.
Really good point, Hikaru always saying "there were whispers among the top GMs" , like 1. wtf does that even mean; (& to your exact point how) and 2. If thats true, its a horrible look and only actually helps to solidify Han's "conspiracy" narrative
I disagree with part of this. You can know (or be awfully damn sure) an opponent is cheating when you play games without them being proven, convicted cheaters. So it makes a lot of sense that, given that Hans *was* cheating, that a lot of top GMs were on to his schtick, and that they spoke amongst themselves about it.
@@rich842 hikaru forgot that there are "whispers" about him too(like nepo, kramnik aka procedure man, naroditsky etc) so if we follow this logic everyone who play against him should quit after the first move like magnus did, the reality is that they are all like girls, they have to talk bad about everyone beyond your back.
@@SenorCoupon That could be a fair, legitimate point but for a couple of things:-
1. The games he admitted to cheating in were years before and not involving play against any top GMs.
2. Magnus obviously did not hold this belief nor was he "on to his schtick" before the Sinquefield Cup. This isn't speculation but an absolute fact - Play Magnus previously sponsored Hans and he was a brand ambassador for him. That isn't happening if Magnus was in on anything. Additionally, Magnus played Hans twice in Miami in the weeks before. Losing the first time but beating him in the second game. The pair were also photographed just playing a friendly game together on the beach before the competition there began.
@@lm1995. Good point!
They handled it so poorly that Hans is no longer the bad guy. Magnus needs to handle business in Paris if he is going to move past this situation. Was there ever any clarification on why Magnus wouldn't play Hans in the teams? Has to play in Paris though, right? Slave shit.
clarification? they have been in litigation, there is no need to clarify, wish they can move on after paris
@dafeac I kinda thought that but I don't remember how it was settled. Doesn't feel settled
Why are y’all so entitled lol it’s hysterical. None of these chess players owe you anything