What I find most incredible about the whole project is that you built very serious scaffolding around the whole site to protect everything from the weather! I have never seen anything like that here in North America. I guess we are just shabby unprofessional builders. Also I got no problems with ads as you were saying you’ve got to eat!
Here’s the consistent thing with the Skill Builder videos...when you check and there’s 60 seconds of the film left, but you are left disappointed as you could easily sit and watch another 10 minutes! Thanks boys, it takes a huge effort to film, edit and publish and it’s greatly appreciated! If you ever want a trip to Edinburgh to film “Skill Builder On Tour” my old house would love to welcome you all for some expert work. Keep up the great work
Hi Rob It is interesting because our editor Dylan, who is not from a building background, needed some persuading that this whole section on putting the steels in should not be speeded up. I argued that it had a lot of value to people contemplating the job. Going forward I think there is a case to be made for making a separate longer edit and showing the other 20 minutes that we cut out of this video. Maybe we just do a binge video of all the stuff we have cut out including the cock-ups.
Skill Builder Morning Roger, it was so interesting. I’m not planning on doing any major steel work like that but as my comment suggested I was really disappointed when there was only a minute or so left! I’d commented the other day on how easy it is to watch James (skimming video) and the group you have of James, Robin and yourself are fantastic to watch. Some longer stuff would, I’m sure, be of interest to some of us hardcore subscribers. Might be worth keeping some traditionally shorter stuff too I guess. Keep up the great work and as I said if you guys want to come to my old Victorian house in Edinburgh there are always plenty of jobs up here! 🙂 Have a great Sunday
@@SkillBuilder I'm not a builder and I don't even do much DIY at the moment but I'm fascinated by all kinds of building work. Could watch this stuff all day.
Modern building technology - level beams, square corners. Makes everything else that follows so much more easy. Sipping a 6 year old rye and watching this is so relaxing. Cheers.
This is what my second half had been talking about. Seeing in reality is just great. Well done, its such a tutorial and I appreciate your work and I can't honesly wait for next video. All the best.
Hi Gary We have also been waiting for the chance to do one. We hope to do more in the near future. There is also a bungalow which will be getting a whole new first floor and roof.
The last guy i worked with doing loft conversion used half lengths of steels with flanges and we bolted them together, But i was never happy with a bounce in the middle , he ended up packing off the walls below to kill the spring, I was never too happy about it..
Putting the hangers in with a laser, is what we do. Then the 'regularised' timber varies. So we do it to the timber we're using in the hangers and not a sample offcut.
Never seen such an elaborate scaffold for a domestic job, nice setup-ideal for the UK; even if it is summer, there will be another season along in a few hours..
It is now very common to put a tin lid on a house of this size. It turned out to be a good investment because it poured with rain that day and the next and the one after that.
only right ,builders deserve proper safe conditions , for years i worked on bandstands/hop ups /traps in boards one slip and your fucked they think a hi viz top will keep you safe
I though the same. The canopy over the property is a great idea. I've been trying to paint my shed for the last month and it's a gamble whether to start or not cos the weather changes so often. North East England weather for you I suppose but great set up there lads.
It is a real surprise to see so many comments on the 'tin lid' or 'top hat' because in London and the South East it is very common. In that street along we can count three of them. I would say that 30% of loft conversions in London are done like this. Some of that has to do with making a good working area up on the scaffolding. With no gardens, limited parking and nowhere to store materials the need to take the roof off completely and get rid of the old timbers immediately requires a completely different approach. There is also the insurance aspect.
I'm a structural engineer and I design the structure for a lot of lofts. (Unless the width of that house is an optical illusion) I can scarcely believe the weight of those steel beams..... But that's not your fault. Good quality work, Guys......
Heyy would be nice to see some kind of blueprint and bit of an explanation so we know why they're lugging all that steel around. Can't wait for more vids. Shame I'm here too early to binge watch this like the rest of your projects.
Such a lovely way to work with the temporary roof and enclosure. Time to do everything in order Different scenario from mid winter client living on site and can't afford the cost for the temporary roof 😂😮🙈
Excellent video! Intrigued as to what the reason for using joist hangers over butting the joist direct into the steel beam? It cannot be for strength so it must be for later framing to plumb? I feel a Roger video coming on for the different methods of fixing timber to UBs!!! Yes Please!
I am amazed how you manage to put everything bang on level. No matter how hard i try always something runs away. Any interes on doing some videos about Leveling stuff - like during bricklaying, setting cabinets etc
Pretty sure I drove past this job yesterday, East Molesey by any chance? Speaking as someone who runs a loft conversion company, it’s nice to see someone else installing the joists correctly and not just sitting them on the bottom flange. Although I wouldn’t fancy carrying that air compressor up there!
Great to watch. Some advice please. I live in a 1930,s semi thats crying out for loft conversion...Purlin construction, good height etc..but how do you get the steels in without a gaping hole in the roof. Can shorter lengths be bolted together ? Many thanks.
Yes, you can have the steels cut into shorter lengths and fix them back together with plates and bolts. We have done this a few times but I prefer to keep them in one length.
Anytime I go near a bloody bike it's an endurance, and that's without pedalling the thing! Perhaps I should start drinking some of Roger's magic drink?
Why were the floor joists fitted onto joist hangers , ? mine were tucked into the steel beams , much easier and quicker ! just seems a lot of work to get to the same point not to mention all the extra materials and hundreds of nails .
They’re 35mm twist nails. The gun is a positive placement nailer and the nails are collated specifically for it. It’s a great tool and saves hours of work but that is the only job it can do.
why did they put wooden planks in the steel beam to attach wooden frames? isn't it easier to place a wooden frame directly in the steel beam without those attachments?
Plenty of people do just cut the joists into the web and sit them on the bottom flange, but it’s not the right way, they should be on hangers onto a piece bolted to the webz
The joist were often run from plate to plate with a supporting wall in the middle of the house. Sometimes the joist ends were short of the walls and spiked into the rafters. My house is built like that and it is 120 years old.
The important thing in London is that you don't really spend money on property you invest it. Doing up a house and adding a loft and a basement is better than putting money in the bank. With interest rates being so low right now it is a boom time for builders. Many guys here are booked up for 12 months.
@@BackyardMechCon There are very few scaffolders who observe the safety rules on putting up scaffolding because the job would take three times as long. For that reason they don't want to be filmed so it is very unlikely we will ever show it.
If I'd got you lot to do my loft it might be finished by now! Great work as with the rest of the king build series but I'm particularly enjoying these ads. I'm thinking men's moisturiser and sun screen next?!!
Should be a great series, was it raining the whole time? can hear something in the background. Also them pad stones are very small considering the size i had to put in recently.
We use steel spreader plates instead of pad stones (providing the engineers approves it) as they are so much easier to fit and don’t ever encroach on the rooms downstairs.
Roger, I’m an actor and I think you’re a natural in front of the camera. Just a tip though, when you advertise one of those drinks, try rubbing your belly in a circular motion and saying “mmmmmmm”. Apart from that, great video.
nothing wrong with what your doing, but why do you not cut the joists into the steel beam then nog it out accordingly ? takes the stress of the jiffy hangers and the overall need for them
We do that sometimes, it depends on the job. The web in the beam is just under 150mm and the joists are 175mm so where do we cut the inch off the joist and who passes that as structurally sound?
in my house the only way would be to lower the floors :(, i wonder how much more the cost would be the only problem i can see is the damage to the lower rooms. its a shame but i need 2.2 or 2.4 m and mine is 2m :(
Skill Builder could you give me a rough price on an eco joist . Obviously you can’t give me an exact price but let’s just say a 5 metre span by whatever minimum depth they make just so I can roughly gauge how much it would cost because I too would need to lower the floor and take some of the existing bedroom height from below . I know it’s only be a rough guess but you’d probably have a better idea than myself . Appreciate any help thanks
Am I the only one that's going to say that its a crazy amount of scaffolding. Can't imagine how much that would cost to have installed for the time they working on the project. Madness
You only have to drive around London and you will see any number of tin lids. It is standard practice with houses costing a million quid a go. With loft coversions costing around £80,000 it is not a huge extra. It also means the work can carry on in all weathers. If a roofer is rained off on another job he is very happy to come and work under a steel canopy.
Hi Roger Why not fix the timber to the RSJ with Paslode nails? The chippy who did my garage roof (10Mx8M) 40 years ago did that and it saved a lot of time and the cost of drilling the RSJ. Mike
Skill Builder Understood but I assume that using nails would be structurally fine as the load would be carried on the base of the RSJ and not by the fixings.
As a building engineering student, I don't see any advantage of putting heavy ridge beams, I spoke to my teacher and he don't get it why people go for heavy ridge beam (more than required) may be lazy structural engineer or Is it customary. Looks like primary ridge beam of this house was timber and took the weight of the roof with supporting purlins. Flitched beams will do the job or you can go with 8/8 metal beam with purlin supports. Builder's dont realise purlin supports three quarters of the weight of slope roof.
The second video will clarify the ridge steel is also being used to transfer the loadings for the new dormer roof. The ridge steel profile looks relatively small in that regard & laterally provides good restraint between the existing masonry walls during construction. I guess a timber flitch beam could be used, but the height would be taller & as there are other floor steels on this project, this appears to be the more economic & practical design solution taking into account existing site conditions.
I have done a few flitch beams in my time and with a 10mm steel plate going through the middle they are certainly not lightweight. Even getting the bendy steel plate up into the loft is a mission. The steel on the ridge is not just about surporting the rafters it is about supporting that snow laden dormer and putting the load onto the gable walls.
Roger Bisby good to know about flitch beam. I have heard from few other sources they are not light weight as I thought. Plus need to be very cautious because of it’s bendy nature.
@@SkillBuilder Yeah and having the staff definitely helps aswell as access through the roof me and my pal normally walk them up the stairs as it's only the 2 of us 🔨
It’s a specific nailer called a positive placement nailer. The nails protrude from the end of the gun so that you can place them directly into the hole on the hanger. This gun serves no other purpose. They do make gas powered ones but they are big bucks in comparison.
Great video, really like these boys 👍👍. You were working hard on that block & tackle Roger, surprised the chain didn't jump out - it looked like you were into a bit of campanology 😂😂. Just had my timber delivered for my roof - 12 tons 😱😱😱😱 all to be hand balled, love making my life harder 🤔🤔. Regards Tim
silviu bahnovei because the steels need to be big enough to carry the load imposed, but you want to keep the floor level low enough so as not to compromise on head room...
This was a tricky one. The steel closest to the cylinder was raised up to clear some essential pipe work that couldn’t go anywhere else and the reason that the timbers are not flush (or slightly above) the steels is that it would’ve meant cutting the hangers which would compromise their strength so we will add a piece of 50x25 on top after it has had the chicken wire and insulation fitted between the joists.
When moving that heavy beam instead of bending and lifting ,each man should have a piece of rope ,hold the rope like a skipping rope under the beam and this allows a straight back when lifting this heavy load, much better for your back.
Nice job lads, but how realistic is that tin house over the house?! What we talking £10-15K. Where I live I could never price it with the job, wish I bloody could tho. Doing an amazing job tho lads. How much does it cost for that scaffold then?!
That scaffolding/tarp action is impressive. Sure beats the daily weather planning and tarp removal I'm accustomed to.
What I find most incredible about the whole project is that you built very serious scaffolding around the whole site to protect everything from the weather! I have never seen anything like that here in North America. I guess we are just shabby unprofessional builders. Also I got no problems with ads as you were saying you’ve got to eat!
Thanks man. We need some tea and sympathy. We put this stuff out and we are the devil.
Same thing in Finland, everything is done open to the elements. Then they start worrying about mold.
Amazing how many loft companies will tell you it’s not necessary. Speaking as a Professional I think it’s the only way to work,
Here’s the consistent thing with the Skill Builder videos...when you check and there’s 60 seconds of the film left, but you are left disappointed as you could easily sit and watch another 10 minutes!
Thanks boys, it takes a huge effort to film, edit and publish and it’s greatly appreciated! If you ever want a trip to Edinburgh to film “Skill Builder On Tour” my old house would love to welcome you all for some expert work. Keep up the great work
Hi Rob
It is interesting because our editor Dylan, who is not from a building background, needed some persuading that this whole section on putting the steels in should not be speeded up. I argued that it had a lot of value to people contemplating the job. Going forward I think there is a case to be made for making a separate longer edit and showing the other 20 minutes that we cut out of this video. Maybe we just do a binge video of all the stuff we have cut out including the cock-ups.
Skill Builder Morning Roger, it was so interesting. I’m not planning on doing any major steel work like that but as my comment suggested I was really disappointed when there was only a minute or so left! I’d commented the other day on how easy it is to watch James (skimming video) and the group you have of James, Robin and yourself are fantastic to watch. Some longer stuff would, I’m sure, be of interest to some of us hardcore subscribers. Might be worth keeping some traditionally shorter stuff too I guess. Keep up the great work and as I said if you guys want to come to my old Victorian house in Edinburgh there are always plenty of jobs up here! 🙂 Have a great Sunday
@@SkillBuilder would definitely watch more footage of the steels 👍.
@@SkillBuilder I'm not a builder and I don't even do much DIY at the moment but I'm fascinated by all kinds of building work. Could watch this stuff all day.
Modern building technology - level beams, square corners. Makes everything else that follows so much more easy. Sipping a 6 year old rye and watching this is so relaxing. Cheers.
Could watch this stuff all day!
This is what my second half had been talking about. Seeing in reality is just great. Well done, its such a tutorial and I appreciate your work and I can't honesly wait for next video. All the best.
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Hand bawling big steels is a retched job, and looks like a right touch that the lorrys crane managed to swing em in. Good hard work boys.
At last! Been waiting for a loft conversion on SB for years...........
Hi Gary
We have also been waiting for the chance to do one. We hope to do more in the near future.
There is also a bungalow which will be getting a whole new first floor and roof.
@@SkillBuilder please make a video of that aswell 🙏
guy in white shirt moving a steel that big wearing adidas trainers cowboy for sure
Must be one of the Best Builders around ,attention to detail way above some I have seen . Well done .
The last guy i worked with doing loft conversion used half lengths of steels with flanges and we bolted them together, But i was never happy with a bounce in the middle , he ended up packing off the walls below to kill the spring, I was never too happy about it..
2:50 thought Roger was going to start shaving in the van.
Some bollocks to take a job on like that. Hats off to you. Can't wait to see it unfold.
Putting the hangers in with a laser, is what we do. Then the 'regularised' timber varies. So we do it to the timber we're using in the hangers and not a sample offcut.
This is important if you want all out accuracy
Never seen such an elaborate scaffold for a domestic job, nice setup-ideal for the UK; even if it is summer, there will be another season along in a few hours..
It is now very common to put a tin lid on a house of this size. It turned out to be a good investment because it poured with rain that day and the next and the one after that.
only right ,builders deserve proper safe conditions , for years i worked on bandstands/hop ups /traps in boards one slip and your fucked they think a hi viz top will keep you safe
I though the same. The canopy over the property is a great idea. I've been trying to paint my shed for the last month and it's a gamble whether to start or not cos the weather changes so often. North East England weather for you I suppose but great set up there lads.
Nice one boy's, great video! Always a pleasure
Beautiful job men. I really like the rain covering roof and scaffolding.
It is a real surprise to see so many comments on the 'tin lid' or 'top hat' because in London and the South East it is very common. In that street along we can count three of them. I would say that 30% of loft conversions in London are done like this. Some of that has to do with making a good working area up on the scaffolding. With no gardens, limited parking and nowhere to store materials the need to take the roof off completely and get rid of the old timbers immediately requires a completely different approach. There is also the insurance aspect.
I'm a structural engineer and I design the structure for a lot of lofts.
(Unless the width of that house is an optical illusion) I can scarcely believe the weight of those steel beams.....
But that's not your fault. Good quality work, Guys......
Can I hire you to check some calcs for me?
Crikey lads, worked up a sweat just watching you humping those steels around! Solid effort. Great watch as always, thanks.
Great to watch. Brings back memories of doing this on site
Nice work as always!!!
I would have these lads do any building work on my house. They do a cracking job.
Andrew Holland Me too I don't think they were cheap I'm thinking 70k for that job.
Great to watch, proper old school builders.........let’s scroll down the comments, someone must of said “PPE, PPE ! “
Good old block & tackle used one of them first time in 1982 . Nothing changes
Love to see the bit in the CDM where the scaffold beam is propped with a bit of 4x2 😆
It just ensures the beam doesn't bend and it didn't so QED
@@SkillBuilder RGJ
You boys need to get yourself an impact wrench.. speeds up bolting stuff no end!!!
Great idea with the cover over the top. Poor Roger on the Chain Gang.
Just bought some YFood, will give it a try. Thanks
Looking forward to next videos 👍🏼
Very handy those PP nailers , don't half throw out some crap though when they fire .
Biggsy1970 it’s air powered. it’s just air kicking all the shit up around it.
Awesome work Guys keep the videos coming have a awesome weekend all the best Tony 👍
Brilliant just what I need about to start one, once the steel is in its should be simple enough, keep up the good work
Same here
Love doing roofs!
Heyy would be nice to see some kind of blueprint and bit of an explanation so we know why they're lugging all that steel around. Can't wait for more vids. Shame I'm here too early to binge watch this like the rest of your projects.
I've no head for heights, but as long as I didn't look down between the joists, even I think I could work in this set up.
Good job boy more power to your elbow 💪
Brilliant guys really looking forward to this one. You work together so well 👍🏻
Brilliant work, love watching big builds like this, very brave to take on a job like that! 😬😬😬
Brave to let it be filmed. So many people to tell them they are doing it all wrong.
thoroughly enjoyed that, anymor videos of this project?
What a brilliant video,
Pleasure to watch people who knows exactly what they are doin'
Such a lovely way to work with the temporary roof and enclosure.
Time to do everything in order
Different scenario from mid winter client living on site and can't afford the cost for the temporary roof 😂😮🙈
Excellent video! Intrigued as to what the reason for using joist hangers over butting the joist direct into the steel beam? It cannot be for strength so it must be for later framing to plumb? I feel a Roger video coming on for the different methods of fixing timber to UBs!!! Yes Please!
I am amazed how you manage to put everything bang on level. No matter how hard i try always something runs away.
Any interes on doing some videos about Leveling stuff - like during bricklaying, setting cabinets etc
Pretty sure I drove past this job yesterday, East Molesey by any chance?
Speaking as someone who runs a loft conversion company, it’s nice to see someone else installing the joists correctly and not just sitting them on the bottom flange.
Although I wouldn’t fancy carrying that air compressor up there!
No not East Molsey but maybe only 10 miles away
Good work
Great to watch. Some advice please. I live in a 1930,s semi thats crying out for loft conversion...Purlin construction, good height etc..but how do you get the steels in without a gaping hole in the roof. Can shorter lengths be bolted together ? Many thanks.
Yes, you can have the steels cut into shorter lengths and fix them back together with plates and bolts. We have done this a few times but I prefer to keep them in one length.
Roger doing all the lifting on his own at one point
Anytime I go near a bloody bike it's an endurance, and that's without pedalling the thing! Perhaps I should start drinking some of Roger's magic drink?
The first 20,000 miles is the worst bit
Why were the floor joists fitted onto joist hangers , ? mine were tucked into the steel beams , much easier and quicker ! just seems a lot of work to get to the same point not to mention all the extra materials and hundreds of nails .
We do it both ways depending on the setting out.
You do whatever the engineer specifies🤷♂️
I like the Plumbing work and the tank idea, Can you come and do this at my house lol as I need a loft converted
Rogers still got the moves on that chain
40 years working on the chain gang.
Brilliant work 👍can you tell me what nails your using in your nail gun to fix hangers and will they work in a paslode gun.??
They’re 35mm twist nails. The gun is a positive placement nailer and the nails are collated specifically for it. It’s a great tool and saves hours of work but that is the only job it can do.
James King cheers James and you also get to keep all your fingernails 😀paslode should get in on these
Paslode have had a positive placement nailer for years. www.jewson.co.uk/p/paslode-ppn35i-positive-placement-nailer-JTH03301
So when they're putting the timber joists in. Why are they not using the flange of the I-bean to rest the timber onto?
Bin there dun dat!! steels I have known and loved !!cheers!
looking forward to this one
Can't wait for the rest of this series even with the shameless"meal replacement" plugs 😉
Man's gotta eat and we have bills to pay. You can release us from this commercial yoke by sending us a £1,000 but somehow I don't think you will.
@@SkillBuilder Understandable! Rather have that then no channel at all
Matonias exactly.
Some proper old school gear there!
Very nice lads! Surprising what a little bit of extra muscle power can do. Congrats so far, looks very interesting.Cheers.
To be honest one more man would have made a huge difference but he couldn't turn up on that day.
@@SkillBuilder no Roger he was working on the Capel build!! LOL
why did they put wooden planks in the steel beam to attach wooden frames? isn't it easier to place a wooden frame directly in the steel beam without those attachments?
no because that way it wouldn’t be as strong
Just incase the steel is off level across the span its easier to level the timbers due to weight
Plenty of people do just cut the joists into the web and sit them on the bottom flange, but it’s not the right way, they should be on hangers onto a piece bolted to the webz
Very interesting.
Good video lads , the lad in the white shirt & wearing trainers 😩😩.
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Looks like another good series coming along. What would have been the jointing method in the old days before hoist hangers and steels?
The joist were often run from plate to plate with a supporting wall in the middle of the house. Sometimes the joist ends were short of the walls and spiked into the rafters. My house is built like that and it is 120 years old.
Good Builder.
Nice work! Any footage of the scaffold going up or even a closer look at it? It's a great job for the wet weather!
That’s some crazy scaf, that just wouldn’t happen is oz. we’d never get the job if we allowed for that :(
The important thing in London is that you don't really spend money on property you invest it. Doing up a house and adding a loft and a basement is better than putting money in the bank. With interest rates being so low right now it is a boom time for builders. Many guys here are booked up for 12 months.
@@SkillBuilder what about the scaffolding? lol 😅
@@BackyardMechCon There are very few scaffolders who observe the safety rules on putting up scaffolding because the job would take three times as long. For that reason they don't want to be filmed so it is very unlikely we will ever show it.
@@SkillBuilder Fair enough. Thanks for the reply 😀.
If I'd got you lot to do my loft it might be finished by now! Great work as with the rest of the king build series but I'm particularly enjoying these ads. I'm thinking men's moisturiser and sun screen next?!!
We will be doing a lot more men's grooming. Roger is a challenge for any of those deep filling products.
hi the side bit where uiu build wall to raise sides is there insulation in that?
seems such an old fashioned approach when you see what Ecotrus and others are now doing
Should be a great series, was it raining the whole time? can hear something in the background.
Also them pad stones are very small considering the size i had to put in recently.
We use steel spreader plates instead of pad stones (providing the engineers approves it) as they are so much easier to fit and don’t ever encroach on the rooms downstairs.
Roger, I’m an actor and I think you’re a natural in front of the camera. Just a tip though, when you advertise one of those drinks, try rubbing your belly in a circular motion and saying “mmmmmmm”. Apart from that, great video.
Hi James
Good tip.
That's some serious scaffolding, never seen anything like that before
Spend a day in London and you will see loads of it in almost every residential street somebody is converting a loft,
Always put rollers under RSJ’s, work smart, not hard 😉
Gonna be a good one 👍
they are the best for steels
nothing wrong with what your doing, but why do you not cut the joists into the steel beam then nog it out accordingly ? takes the stress of the jiffy hangers and the overall need for them
We do that sometimes, it depends on the job. The web in the beam is just under 150mm and the joists are 175mm so where do we cut the inch off the joist and who passes that as structurally sound?
Skill Builder ideally off the top as no stress in the top of a simply supported end bearing
Them drinks will last a long time if you don't remove the seal 😄
in my house the only way would be to lower the floors :(, i wonder how much more the cost would be the only problem i can see is the damage to the lower rooms. its a shame but i need 2.2 or 2.4 m and mine is 2m :(
Have a look at Eco Joists. You can hang them on the top flange of the wallplate. That will give you more height and the span is much more than timber.
Skill Builder could you give me a rough price on an eco joist . Obviously you can’t give me an exact price but let’s just say a 5 metre span by whatever minimum depth they make just so I can roughly gauge how much it would cost because I too would need to lower the floor and take some of the existing bedroom height from below . I know it’s only be a rough guess but you’d probably have a better idea than myself . Appreciate any help thanks
@@SkillBuilder Thank you, will check it out as i cannot heighten the rood and to lower them ceilings is also not an option :(
Wow that looks tough. How heavy was each rsj
They varied between 300 and 450kg each.
I enjoyed that! What a great watch on a Saturday night!
Am I the only one that's going to say that its a crazy amount of scaffolding. Can't imagine how much that would cost to have installed for the time they working on the project. Madness
You only have to drive around London and you will see any number of tin lids. It is standard practice with houses costing a million quid a go. With loft coversions costing around £80,000 it is not a huge extra. It also means the work can carry on in all weathers. If a roofer is rained off on another job he is very happy to come and work under a steel canopy.
Is that one of those joke levels where the bubble always looks plumb??
Great video
To much levelling things up. Not enough bacon sandwiches, cups of tea and taking the piss.
sorry mate we let the side down there.
Skill Builder You did, very disappointed 😂
Wow that is a big job. Steel work in and a few timbers and it starts to look good 👍👍. Thanks are you sure you was trying on them chains Rodger.😀
Lazylad.
Yeah I was really putting my back into it. I am just the work experience guy along for the ride
Hi Roger Why not fix the timber to the RSJ with Paslode nails? The chippy who did my garage roof (10Mx8M) 40 years ago did that and it saved a lot of time and the cost of drilling the RSJ. Mike
The drawing calls for timbers bolted to the steels. We work to the drawing because it is their risk not ours.
Skill Builder Understood but I assume that using nails would be structurally fine as the load would be carried on the base of the RSJ and not by the fixings.
Been watching Skill builder video’s for ages & only just found out Roger is a fellow bike rider. 🚴🏽👍
Hi Barry
One day everyone will be a bike rider.
Skill Builder we can wish mate? Shame you & Robin don’t fancy a long bike ride up to the Peak District. I’ve got a big job coming up next year?
As a building engineering student, I don't see any advantage of putting heavy ridge beams, I spoke to my teacher and he don't get it why people go for heavy ridge beam (more than required) may be lazy structural engineer or Is it customary. Looks like primary ridge beam of this house was timber and took the weight of the roof with supporting purlins. Flitched beams will do the job or you can go with 8/8 metal beam with purlin supports. Builder's dont realise purlin supports three quarters of the weight of slope roof.
The second video will clarify the ridge steel is also being used to transfer the loadings for the new dormer roof. The ridge steel profile looks relatively small in that regard & laterally provides good restraint between the existing masonry walls during construction. I guess a timber flitch beam could be used, but the height would be taller & as there are other floor steels on this project, this appears to be the more economic & practical design solution taking into account existing site conditions.
I have done a few flitch beams in my time and with a 10mm steel plate going through the middle they are certainly not lightweight. Even getting the bendy steel plate up into the loft is a mission. The steel on the ridge is not just about surporting the rafters it is about supporting that snow laden dormer and putting the load onto the gable walls.
Roger Bisby good to know about flitch beam. I have heard from few other sources they are not light weight as I thought. Plus need to be very cautious because of it’s bendy nature.
shut up and get back to school
Great video. After that hard work you better drink a six-pack of your bottle food!
To be honest half a bottle of it fills me up for ages. It is weird how full you feel on a drink like that.
What floor joists are they? C16 47x175?
A handy trick I do is get my steels cut in half and have them pre drilled and plated either side makes it a little easier on the back 🔨
We have the option of cleated steels but the single steel is better. Those plates get in the way.
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Yeah and having the staff definitely helps aswell as access through the roof me and my pal normally walk them up the stairs as it's only the 2 of us 🔨
Excuse my ignorance but why have you switched to an air nailer rather than a cordless to do the hangers?
It’s a specific nailer called a positive placement nailer. The nails protrude from the end of the gun so that you can place them directly into the hole on the hanger. This gun serves no other purpose. They do make gas powered ones but they are big bucks in comparison.
What shorts are they roger? Are they any good?
Snickers. To be honest they are too heavy for hot weather. They have lighter ones for the Summer.
Nail gun model for joist hangers please?
Bostitch strap shot. It’s such a great tool and a massive time saver.
Great video, really like these boys 👍👍. You were working hard on that block & tackle Roger, surprised the chain didn't jump out - it looked like you were into a bit of campanology 😂😂.
Just had my timber delivered for my roof - 12 tons 😱😱😱😱 all to be hand balled, love making my life harder 🤔🤔.
Regards Tim
That rings a bell
Drinks gone off lads
Why not set the steels on the same level and do the timber flush with the top ?
silviu bahnovei because the steels need to be big enough to carry the load imposed, but you want to keep the floor level low enough so as not to compromise on head room...
This was a tricky one. The steel closest to the cylinder was raised up to clear some essential pipe work that couldn’t go anywhere else and the reason that the timbers are not flush (or slightly above) the steels is that it would’ve meant cutting the hangers which would compromise their strength so we will add a piece of 50x25 on top after it has had the chicken wire and insulation fitted between the joists.
When moving that heavy beam instead of bending and lifting ,each man should have a piece of rope ,hold the rope like a skipping rope under the beam and this allows a straight back when lifting this heavy load, much better for your back.
Nice job lads, but how realistic is that tin house over the house?! What we talking £10-15K. Where I live I could never price it with the job, wish I bloody could tho. Doing an amazing job tho lads. How much does it cost for that scaffold then?!
Between 3-5k I'd have thought
I was worried about that unvented cylinder it seems abit in your way lol?
Yes it had to go in a few months ago to give space downstairs.
Hi, how would you build a dormer in the loft conversion? Can you make a video on this? Thank you
We have a video on that. Build a dormer in a day.
is the old joists gonna stay or it will go?thank you
They are holding up the ceilings and will be strapped to the new joists but still not be connected so the noise transmission is reduced.