Chris Evert d. Steffi Graf - 1986 Lipton International finals
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- Опубліковано 6 кві 2010
- Considered at the time to be a blisteringly hard hititing match, Chrissie and Steffi exchange some dynamite winners in the finals of the Lipton International finals of 1986, a 2-week event only 1 tier down from the majors, and an event in which Chris never failed to at least reach the finals.
She hands Steffi a convincing defeat, but it's still a changing of the guard in that Steffi is beginning to reach her period of destiny and Chris at 31 is entering what she would later call "a new phase of her career...it's called end of career." Still, she had one last grand slam victory left in her, as she took the French title a few months later, and one other Slam final appearance at the '88 Australian Open.
*commentators are Arthur Ashe & Pam Shriver.
(Edit commentary) : Regarding the discussion of years at #1 of these all time Greats... This is a fair observation that there are variant views on the topic. In 1978, though the computer put Navratilova at #1, the formulas used for calculating tournament & h2h value was still quite primitive, and by modern computer equations, Evert surely would have been #1. Indeed, in consideration of the times, in the pre-1980 years, Tennis Historians & Media still elected who was #1 - as expert observational insight was still valued - & Chris did earn that distinction. She did so by matching Navratilova's slam count (both played 2, winning 1 each - though only Evert made the finals of both) and beating Navratilova at the Colgate Series final (The WTA's sponsor, as Virginia Slims Championships had been before & after) - which was considered a 5th major at the time... and thereby holding a 3-2 edge over Martina in the h2h, as well as an enviable 56-3 record. Both Martina's wins over Chris were 7-5 & 9-7 in the 3rd set. This is a factor that matters to rankings today but was not considered then. So it's amorphous territory, and not as cut & dry as it would be deemed today. Many serious tennis historians consider Evert to have been ranked #1 a full Seven Years, and those who don't are generally open to the discussion. There are arguments for fewer than 7. But just as remarkable, Evert was never outside the Top 2 for 13 straight years. This will not likely be matched. Nor should it be ignored that the person she was #2 to was a fellow all-time great in her prime years, (ie, before Navratilova was 30 years old) which says a lot for how many years of comparable #1 were in her. - Спорт
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That is a reference to her years at #1 when she was 'Queen of the Courts'... These videos are part of Chrissie's official social media platform, along with facebook & twitter... and I am one of her her staff members. The videos aren't made to feature other players... our job is featuring the play of Chris, and sharing with HER fans. Not sure why that is causing a ruckus. Other players are free to be good to their fans by posting videos too. :) Obviously, it's generally well received.
Chrissie's prime years are 1974-1982. By 1984, she was 29, the age that Graf retired from tennis. While she physically improved in the latter portion of her career, mental focus peaks at ages 19-27 when the only thing you have on your mind is winning. And Evert's game especially was built around mental -not physical- strengths. To have the Highest Winning Percentage in History, covering 20 full YEARS (start of '70 thru '89) of results, puts her in the Top Echelon of any tennis conversation.
I have to disagree with you partly since Chris herself says 1985 was probably her best ever year of tennis. She actually had to get better than she was previously to start beating Martina again in late 84-86, as her previous game was not good enough once Martina went into super-turbo mode.
It is hard to say. I think 85-86 and maybe even into 87 a bit was her physical and technical peak. Her mental peak was in the 70s. Maybe her best combination of the two was late 80-82 so maybe that was her truest peak of all.
Chris Evert Just The Best
Mental peak was in the 70s. Was a machine.
Not that important but Graf retired at 30, not 29. And she quite likely retired earlier than she would have due to a career of chronic injuries.
Look at that crowd. When Chris played, especially in Florida, expect a full house
Chris Evert's precision is second to none.... amazing.
I love Chrissie's groundstrokes!
Yes ~ and thank you for paying attention to what we are doing on this channel. Gold star!!! :) I never enter into the Comments area of the videos, and now that I have, I know why ~ So many people just trying to find ways to argue, hoping for an angle they can 'win'... Everything is not a competition.
I agree with the thread poster btw, Chris being ranked year end top 2 for 13 years is one of the greatest feats ever in tennis, along with her winning atleast 1 slam 13 years in a row. Amazing longevity and consistency. Only Serena can match her in longevity but definitely not in consistency.
Consistency yes! 52 grand slam semi finals in 56 appearances! Crazy. Has anyone else done that?
Evert's game is so beautiful
Ricardo Gigante and so was she!
Everytime I visit this video, I'm marveled at how much control Evert had in her shots.
Chris a GREAT underrated volleyer
I also like these clips. They show how Chris was such a great competitor - probably the best there has ever been in women's tennis.
Chris had a perfect backhand and she played strong and aggressive that day. It took a little more time before Steffi could master her backhand side but then she became a legend in her time
Yeah...Evert backhand is beautiful and flawless... the best in history...
It took a few weeks only for Steffi.
@@awsetyo1797 Henin’s backhand was better and more beautiful.
Vintage Evert. 86 was her last great year
Evert played this event the first 5 years and never missed a final... someone please post the 87 quarterfinal between sukova vs evert 6-7,7-5,6-4 for Evert. Bud Collins was quoted, worthy of a Wimbledon final
Oh yes I'd love to see that too. The reporter in the daily mail in the UK said the lines people had tears in there eyes Chrissy was playing so well
@@iwantafennec9577 Correct.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Lipton_International_Players_Championships_%E2%80%93_Women%27s_Singles
this is a hard-hitting match REGARDLESS of when it took place. these were two of the hardest hitters (and most accurate) to ever play the game. chris always could hit hard off the ground and the graphite raquets definitely helped emphasize that. the williams sisters wouldn't be able to do crap with wooden raquets.
Williams has nothing to do with this video but yet you inserted them. You sound like a hater
This is a great clip. I never got to see this match, and only heard about it. People at the time were really thrilled with hitting by these two in this final. Thanks for a great posting !
Thank you so much for these! All of your clips are brilliant. You are a gift to the online tennis community, and fans of vintage tennis everywhere!
I really like that there is no shouting and unbearably loud grunts during the match.
I have to say, I have never seen an Evert-Graf match from 1985-1989 where Evert did not volley more often and more effectively than her opponent. Evert was more bold, more comfortable and more versatile at net.
@Max E Oops, Its my fault. I was reading and responding to two different notifications on two different Evert videos. The other one involved the 1987 wimbledon semifinal v Martina speculating about how she might have done had she won, and met Graf. I got them confused and posted something that makes no sense here. Your point here is obviously correct. Evert's volley was not a key component in these Graf -Evert matches. She was too busy scampering and defending against that huge forehand and serve to get up there. I will delete the above post. I apologize for the confusion.
Thanks from me too - seeing this great Chrissie matches is brilliant. Keep them coming please.
I can't believe my own eyes, Steffi was going over that backhand a lot! I love it!
Steffi lost but it was still great to watch her pre-greatness, thanks!
thank you for these videos!
And now as the dust has settled after Serena‘s retirement Steffi is still the GOAT.
According to almost all polls.
Nationalistic Americans‘ heads explode.
I‘m loving it!
I Grew up in a tough neighborhood in Brooklyn, we were poor, but we had the Boys Club who had a guy come and teach us tennis. This is around 1976 and we were all 13 and 14 years old. We were terrible at first, then after maybe 3 months we got better, and the next thing we knew, we were going around playing the PAL and some amateur things in places we never went before, and winning.
I was a baseball player, so I ended up going to Cal in California, my buddies all stuck with it, and went on to play college tennis and were able to go to school on tennis scholarships. But, in baseball I kept the tennis foot work
Coach Brown always told us to look at Chris Everet because her baseline game and two hand back hand were the best he had ever seen.
We all become huge Everett fans.
And we all keep the back hand. We all graduated college and become tennis geeks all because of this lady. We were some poor black kids who looked at the elegance on and off the court. It took it on to college, to business.
You never know who can change your life.
So many of our friends got killed, ended up in jail, but we were at the Boys Club playing tennis, trying to get that backhand. We never won Wimbledon, but, all 7 of us college graduates with great lives, wives children grandchildren. You will never know what your presence did for 7 black kids from Bedford Stuyvesant in the 1970's THANK YOU FOR JUST BEING CHRIS EVERET
Is Everet related to Chris Evert?
Chris managed to raise the level of her game in those last 3 years 86-89, even though the wins became harder to come by. It's just everyone else got so much better. I think she's a more complete player here than when she was #1 for sure. She did lose some of her patience in long clay rallies, but overall her game was a better.
Her game might have been better due to coming forward more and hitting harder, but she wasn't as consistently strong mentally and made way more errors against lesser opponents and it wasn't helped by her knee injury which kept her out for more than 5 months, but when she was on, she was a better player.
Why are you all so argumentative? I am beginning to think you dont come to the pages to see tennis but to formulate ways to find a reason to argue. My comment about Evert's winning percentage was an OPEN ERA comment, with statistics verified by the WTA, Evert played as early as 1970, but you'll find her statistics & titles won, etc, are officially noted by the WTA...which yes, did not exist in 1970. But it exists today.
Last victory against Steffi. The sixth and last time that this great champion has won against the future tennis star
In that last 3 years of Evert's career there came a point in some matches where she just wailed on the ball - some times she won, some times she lost. This time it was a W.
love how Graf hits the backhand one hander topspin a bunch of times-she hardly ever did later in her great career, as she was a master of the backhand slice-
I had forgotten how great Chrissy was. When it comes to consistency over time, she was one of the greats.
Chris is listed as the highest winning percentage by the WTA - You will note that the only place Court's W/L record is published is wikipedia (edited by fans) whose "reference" is the TennisForum site, also compiled by fans. But which events are official versus exhibitions is not known... & the link is not active from the WTA site & incomplete entirely on the ITF site. No definitive source has clarified Court's record - though she is truly "Great". Evert's playing record is officially verified.
Yes, and don't forget about Gunther Parche who made it possible that Steffi had less problems with the true number one of that era Monica Seles. Whenever we speak of Steffi, there will always be Gunther Parche next to her. Steffi herself won't get rid of that name. It is a psychological pain and I am sure that it hurts Steffi even today!!!
Also, youtube a Chris Evert video from 10 years prior (1976), and you should gain a ton a respect for how much she had to raise her game just to remain relevant.
Chris is such an incredible champion. She kept raising her game throughout her career. The precision of her shots and her shot decisions are the best of all time.
Hey I truly enjoy these videos good job on them
I know these things. Graf had the most powerful forehand in the women's game. Martina was the fastest in the women's game and had the best serve. Chris had the best return of serve, the best lob, the best drop shot, and the best backhand. BJK had the best volley. And the most consistently great player was Chris Evert. Take your pick.
I would say Martina had the best volley and overheads.
BJK had the best volleys when she had to stoop for them, especially on the low forehand volley. Martina had the best volleys when she played them above the height of the net. Both had marvellous backhand volleys (as did Evonne Goolagong-Cawley) and overheads. BJK had slightly the better reflexes when the ball was drilled at her. Martina was slightly better volleying on the stretch - as was Margaret Court. The biggest difference between Martina and BJK was that Martina had an excellent forehand ground stroke, whilst Billie's was a less assured and less effective shot. I also think Martina learned to be pretty patient (probably from playing Chris Evert so often) - something BJK was not so good at. Interesting that BJK had a somewhat better record against Martina than she did against Chris.
I see this a little differently. BJK had more variety on the volley more consistent technically and better anticipation. Martina was more powerful on the volley and had better lateral movement at the net.
I wouldn't disagree with you Brian. BJK was amongst the best tacticians in the game and very cunning. Martina was the faster and stronger athlete.
Seles had the best return, best backhand and best passing shots.
I thought I was clear that we were discussing Open-Era results... I ran out of space in my comment so may have taken that part out... Not referring to the amateur years of tennis before paid professionals played. :) I already covered the issues re: Court, who only a tennis forum proclaims Court's results, but not the WTA.
Justine Henin has the best single handed backhand ground stroke, while Steffi Graf has the best slice backhand in women tennis.
Steffi's slice can withstand Serena's cow-strength forehand and backhand. Steffi is the best of all time.
I love how Ashe says the pace is "torrid."
Videos are posted here for the enjoyment of the qualities Evert brought to the game, which prior to this channel were not widely available. There has never been any attempt to prove she was better than anyone.. Her tennis always does the talking. People evaluate however they do. And I was not retracting the Fed/Nadal point because results of certain match ups in tennis have to do with how games mesh, not necessarily who's a better tennis player. Otherwise K Jordan would not have beaten Evert 3x.
I'm still watching 2019
I have been playing tennis for 35 years. I have been and always will be a fan of Chris Evert-Lloyd (LOL) and Graf and BOTH Williams' (and lets not ever forget Navratilova). These 5 women made the most Industry impact at "their" time. YOU CAN NOT take anything from any of these women. THERE STATS/RECORDS AND DOMINANCE PERIOD says it all. Tennis has changed every decade because of ALL of these women as pioneers in their game-style and play. There was NEVER anyone mentally tougher than Chris...
Evert is GoAT of balance, poise, consistency and mental strength. An ice skater on the court. Never looks ungainly unlike others.
Serena is GoAT of the modern power game, no doubt. But her record of tournaments wins overall pales in comparison to Chris. Chris treated every tournament the same, not just the Slams.
True. And in the 70s/early 80s there was less exclusive focus on the slams. It was about winning consistently week in week out on the tour, going for the year end #1 crown. Chris and Martina skipped a lot of AOs and FOs in their primes to focus on Team Tennis and helping to build up the early women’s tour.
@@tobiasisback4605 They played Team Tennis because of the money.
@@carrerau7138 So what? It was about building up the nascent women’s tour. So that meant playing tour events week in week out to get bums on seats, something that greatly benefited players of Graf's generation and beyond who reaped the rewards in greater prize money without having to play so much.
Chris is 8 wins & 6 losses during 1969-70, when she was 14 & 15. So Chris would be 998-91. So that gives Chrissie 91.64 %. I guess that's a passing shot, Evert.
Chris has an amazing record, particularly when it comes to longevity and consistency, but I thought her career win percentage was 2nd behind Court. Am I mistaken and is she ahead of Court?
The Win-Loss-Ranking (Open-Era) is:
1. Margaret Court 91.37% (593:56, retired age 35)
2. Chris Evert 89.97% (1309:146, retired age 34)
3. Steffi Graf 88.69% (902:115, retired age 30)
4. Navratilova 86.82% (1442:219, singles retired age 38)
5. Serena Williams 85.19 (851:148, now age 39)
If I had a dollar for every amazing shot that Steffi and Chris had played, I would be a millionaire.
No one in their right mind wouldn't say that the woman that possesses the best serve and return of serve in history of the game wouldn't be one of 2 best. You can't know what you're looking at if you don't think that Serena is in the same league as Steffi or Martina.
Serena has a great return but it is debateable if it is the best in history. Seles, Davenport, and several others are contenders for that. Only the serve is pretty much undisputable.
You are right and that is a great point that people will not see.
These two met here at the Lipton 4 times, 3 times in the final, Chris made the final all 5 times she played here at the Lipton. Steffi won this 4 or 5 times, they are 2-2, h to h here. I think this is the second year of the tourament, which is now the Nasdaq.
If there were an intent to mislead, it would not be abundantly clear in the introduction whether she won or lost. In every case the introductory comments note when Evert won a match or when she didn't. When we watch these clips, we know we are watching selective points designed to showcase Evert's talents. That is what we are here for, because it is stated up front, that the selection is FOR EVERT FANS. Relax, enjoy watching women's tennis, on these clips or your own favorites. No conspiracy
Steffi's bkhand slice is already a beauty back then. Joy to watch. Not that Chrissie's bkhand is any less.
That was a pretty hard hitting match for 1986.
Yes definitely these two are in the top FIVE for greatest singles players ever. Along with Serena Williams, Monica Seles, Martina Navratilova. Goodness Evert v Graf at both their peaks. Evert. Evert would razor like focus on Graf backhand but be smart enough to lure Graf into net and actually go after Graf's forehand to move Graf off the court some to open the court to go after Graf's backhand. Graf loved to run around forehand inside out and that would go to Evert's backhand (which was and is one of greatest strokes, shots in tennis history), a good up the line backhand by Evert would really work Graf over and open up the backhand.
Evert loved to hit those backhands everywhere on the court!
Sure Graf has that powerful forehand (which could have off days even at her peak and when Graf was winning singles slams Seles was gone) would be flashier than Evert. Yet Evert's groundies off both side more solid and aggressive enough to win enough points overall in the long rallies. Evert in the long rallies. Graf could not hit enough winners off both sides in the rallies to beat Evert in that situation.
Look at how close Evert was with Graf when Evert wasn't winning slams. Evert was still having 3 set matches with Graf in 1989 when Graf was at her peak and Evert a few years past peak. Graf was 19-20 and Evert 34-35, thats A BIG Difference and why the last few matches I don't hold up since Ever was past her peak years, Evert mentally was ready to retire in 1989. Yeah Wimbledon final 1989 but Evert was drained from Golarsa and Evert was done with tour at this point. Yet still getting to semifinals of Wimbledon. Quarterfinals of US Open in 1989.
Evert was also flexible enough to keep bending down for the Graf slice. Evert! Even on a great serving day by Graf, Evert's return could block back to get point going and if Graf wasn't serving great Evert would be controlling the points. Evert's serve with a high percentage of first would be fine, Graf would get some winner returns but not enough if Evert got 75% or more of first serves and go to Graf's backhand with occasionally going to forehand. Evert! :) my vote in this at their peaks match up! The Evert 13 straight years winning at least a single slams every year (a few times more than 1) is GREATNESS! That record will never be broken.
Seles with no Wimbledons one of the greatest ever?
You idyot.
@@carrerau7138 You are common. YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF THE GAME and are a dabbler. IDENTIFYING ELEMENTS OF THE GAME, EXPLAIN A STROKE, you cannot RATHER YOU ARE FULL OF USELESS opinions. SELES won 6 of 8 singles slams in two years before turning 20, no others did that. SELES has loads of other records and due to no fault of her own, due to lax of GERMAN security, due to a crazy person who wanted his idol to get back to #1 by CHEATING, yes CHEATING the biggest CHEATING incident in history of sports, he got his wish. NOT TO mention the spoiled princesses of WTA except SABATINI refused to recognize "this was awful attack of criminal nature on tennis court" and SELES must have a protected ranking. GO LEARN SOME REAL HISTORY and understanding, CAUSE little girl or little BOY do not come COMING FOR ME. GOD BLESS.
They didn’t have much of a rivalry: Chris won their first six matches, then Graf won the next 8. But the second set of the 1988 Australian Open final was epic!
Chris won all her matches when Steffi was only 15/16 and hadn't even won ONE title on the tour yet.
After that Steffi had less problems with her than with the Maleeva sisters.
4:27, how did she adjust to the net cord and still control the volley into a perfect lob?
Experience and practice. Not her first time at bat.
Two of the best examples of superior footwork ever.
Amazing rallies.
Regarding the discussion of years at #1 of these all time Greats... we have a lengthy addendum in the match description to clarify the factors of Evert's term at the top of the sport, which we hope will be helpful information to consider.
Let me clarify what u have written: graf won 3 in 93 1 in 94, 2 in 95 in seles' absence. That was 6 of 10 GS played in seles absence. Seles played 95 US final losing 2 graf, won the 96 auzi & made 96 USfinal. Her tragic incident was awful but not grafs fault. how seles handled initially upon return was excellent considering 11 match win streak & 2 str8 slam finals winning 1, After that seles will tell anyone it was her eating habits, lack of fitness & worrying about her dad that hurt her most
a minor stab wound?? Are you serious? Have you ever been stabbed? I am wondering that a person who is going every day to a shrink appointment underestimates that much the psychological effects of a minor stab!!!Maybe you should visit your friend Parche and celebrate these thoughts with him. Doing so you won't need to pay for your doctors anymore! Good Luck and please do not answer anymore!!!
These two players have the best foot work in the game - now and then!
Evert herself says she was playing her best tennis in the mid 80s. She had a 90%+ winning percentage in 84-86. Shame she got injured in 87.
Thanks for this, wonder if this is the last time Chris beat Steffi?
It was . In nrext 8 matches Chris won only one set. 8-6 Graf
Wish Chris was still able to play a class act of a player and woman 👩
This feels like a 1993 match between steffi and monica. NOT a 1986 match between Steffi and Chrissy.
Chris and Graf should've played 2 more yrs each. They were still REALLY good
Steffi knew that she never would have reached her former peak form again with her reconstructed knee. Why then keep on playing just to win 2 or 3 slams more in the next 4 or 5 years?
She never played for records like Martina or Serena. Different mindset.
@@carrerau7138wrong
@@63002 You think she would have reached her former peak again?
Well, possibly. But I think she was right.
Better to go out with a bang (FO 99 triumph) than with a long whimper like Serena.
There are so many myths propagated as facts among fans or fans sites of one great or another, it is impossible to keep track. I just keep in mind that what a few fans do or say, the players are not responsible for. It is best to laugh off the ridiculous, and remember that each these champions for the most part had great respect for each other, and while they feel intense pride at their own accomplishments, none need disparage another to retain their stature and they know it.
@serenakicksass It is never a shame to lose to a great champion, which both Chris and Steffi are, something that Serena is far from and will never be !
What planet ru on all players chris martinA Billie Jean king all say Serena is the best ever
Although I think chris is the best
People forget that evert after 12 years on tour in 83 had to change to graphite ,Navraitlova changed in 81, graphite suited Martina because it adds power but evert struggled for two years in practice trying to find a graphite racquet where she could still get her accuracy If graphite had never come in Martina would not have 18 slams she had 3 with wood 15 with graphite
I'm talking about how hard the ball they are hitting. Evert's hitting impressed me. I didn't mean to insult Chrissy, I meant to compliment her.
I actually think martina navratilova should be considered greatest when u look at her entire career. She won not only 18 single slams, but also won numerous slam doubles and mixed doubles to the tune i believe of over 50 all told. I am one of the greatest graf fans out there but she never won any mixed slams and i believe only has 2 slams doubles titles. Not even federer comes close to what navratilova achieved and navratilova even pkayedthru i believe 2004. Incredible.
Court though has more singles titles, singles slams, and combined doubles and singles slams than Navratilova. If the best singles and doubles career overall is your critiera I would say it is Court who is the GOAT ahead of Navratilova.
Interesting--so Pam Shriver did TV commentary while her career was still active?
...no one that changed the AGGRESSION AND FITNESS and game style than Navratilova, no one that first combined the BIG BABE POWER GAME than Graf...and no one other than SERENA AND VENUS that have broken more records and TAKEN ALL of the above into the 'women's' game and catapult it to BE RESPECTED EVEN BY TERMS OF THE MEN'S GAME. Each person is a PRODUCT of it's predecessor. I've seen all of them LIVE from the late 70's to 2010
Question ! Evert made semi finals or better in 52 of 56 Grand Slams. Does any other player - male or female - have a better percentage (93%) ?
Lenglen, Wills, Connolly.
I loved the Wilson Pro Staff awesome stick.....
I have the 95 sq in version. Very good stick.
@rbasinge : I agree totally. I'm loving all these clips I have never seen before
I love your videos. The only thing I take exception with is your website seems to indicate that Chris and Navratilova are the only two in contention for the best ever tag. I dont agree with that. I think many consider Serena or Graf as the best, actually more probably than Evert and Navratilova these days (rightly or wrongly, IMO rightly for Serena and wrongly for Graf) and Court, Wills Moody, and Billie Jean King deserve consideration as well. Other than that fanastic work though.
The WTA named her player of the year, but that is not the number one ranking. In 94 Axtranta Sanchez was the year-end number one. In 95 the WTA named both Graf and Seles as the player of the year, but that tie was broken by the ITF and John Barrett. As it was in the case of Sanchez. The list for the world number one female tennis player is one the web for everyone to see, with the breakdowns. It is not the WTA year end list, either !!
@Melancholist74 Absolutely not true, if the 1hr 23 min rain delay in Australia didn't happen in 88, the final would have been very different ! In fact Chris injured her knee badly in the Fed Cup in 86 which hampered her play for the rest of 86 and throughout 87, (which Evert made no excuses about, and is a little know fact). She moved and play much better in 88 and was not dominated by Graf like in 87.
Blame the trainer...he/she diagnosed it. Serena was moving awkwardly to the ball in the beginning...not saying it was because of the rib, but it's a fact. Davenport's level dropping due to HER injury was what caused the actual turnaround in that match...somewhere around 3-all in the 2nd, Lindsay tweaked something and never really recovered.
🍀❤️ Steffi 🍀❤️
Seeing how no new generation has been able to break through against the big 3 shows actually how impressive it was for Graf to push revert and Martina aside. People say how it was just that they were older, but they’re actually younger than even Djoker, the youngest of the big 3. Yes technology has aided career longevity but it shows how it takes a mentality as strong as Graf to break through - not just youth and talent. Without Graf you can imagine every and Martina seeing no reason to assume they were not still in their prime.
Steffi took Navratilova’s #1 ranking away when Martina was 30 years old.
Same age when Serena had won only 13 of her 23 slams.
Looks like a video game.
If that's true, it would be remarkably impressive! I didnt know Steffi was at 94% - that is hard to beat.
Dustin Gabe ... Correct. Graf’s record is around the .86 mark, I believe.
@@jonathankieranwriter The Win-Loss-Ranking (Open-Era) is:
1. Margaret Court 91.37% (593:56, retired age 35)
2. Chris Evert 89.97% (1309:146, retired age 34)
3. Steffi Graf 88.69% (902:115, retired age 30)
4. Navratilova 86.82% (1442:219, singles retired age 38)
5. Serena Williams 85.19 (851:148, now age 39)
@@tobilinooo Serena's is actualy better than I expected, especialy playing until 40 now, although she has been semi retired atleast a year now probably. Consistency isn't known as one of her strengths, relative to other greats.
My opinion is chris brought steadiness & solid ground strokes to the game, martina brought athleticism & to some degree power mostly from her 90 mph serve (which later pales in comparison to the regular 115 mph speed of todays players), what steffi brought was raw power in a big first serve usually about 100 mph and a forehand with power pace and accuracy not seenpreviously in womens tennis. She also bridged that gap of natural athleticism between the steady evert and the athlete navratilova
@serenakicksass How are Graf's slams inflated ?, and what did Serena do at 16 ?
jeez people chrissie was past 30 here! old for a tennis player. not to mention chrissie started with wood racquets! imagine if she had years of playing with a graphite racket in her youth!
No...he was making a backhanded insult toward Seles.....like most Graf fans do.
Though I needed to point that out for you.
Hi Nicklas, I remember talking to you on another video thread. I know you are a big Navratilova fan, was just wondering if you were also a Chris fan. I know like me you are not a fan of Graf and Seles, the grimey grunters. My favorites all time are Serena, Venus, and Chrissie.
Steffi was never a grunter?
Trust me, I'm not trying to change your opinion or experience - If statistics is the way you know how to evaluate skill, and that's the assessment strata you trust, then Navratilova is your girl. She's yours to celebrate. I have no doubts or questions about what I've seen... And certainly nothing I've indicated is meant to pull Martina, Court or Graf down in any way. They're all jewels of the sport. If your investment is in hoping to prove your diamond is better than another, I shrug.
Agreed.
For the 2nd question, Chris says she performed best in '85 in large part due to the racquet improving play, making it easier to play well. With more challenging equipment, you don't play "as well"..Steve Flink watched her game closest & says her concentration peak was 1974-78. If you stop playing with wood & go graphite, you play better. Chris is unique in not being able to have played at mental peak AND physical peak at the same time, simply due to the era. (Fed > Nadal but RN has big lead h2h)
@Marchjoy1963 It's well known that Serena only uses her injuries to pull out of lesser events. Serena has never faked any injuries to win any of her slam titles, nor has she faked any injuries to retire during a slam QF/SF/F.
Graf was wta year-end number 1 - 8 times, not world number 1 (year end) there is a difference, Evert and Graf share that distinction 7 times each ...and Maragret Court did the Grand Slam in 1970... that is in the Open era !
Chris played soooooooooooo well
This is the last of the matches where Evert beat Graf. 6 months later Chris couldn't get close to Steffi (and neither could anyone else for that matter).
does anyoen knwp why graff rarley used her top spin backhand?
this is still actually a pretty hard hitting match, even more so considering the era
Chrissa never hit shots for clean winners like that againbst Martina
@rbasinge Thanks!
@justnatural there was a 3 set match in 89 i think, but yes it was the last win for chris
@serenakicksass This is a 16 year old Steffi, A 17 year old Serena lost to 29 year old Graf, (after back surgery)In fact only beat Graf once!And as far as lucky, well Graf never used injury times outs and fake injuries, to win slam titles,like Serena did.
This Court seems much faster than today's courts........