@idir bouchdoug junglers also have to rely on the fact that their team has map awareness and isn't selfish enough to help the jungler in some situations. It's a team game and it doesn't matter how far ahead I get my mates if we don't use it the right way
@@Okita78 yep every game the enemy team groups and helps objectives while your teammates expects you to 1v5 dragon and kill the whole team and then ping jungle diff
As a Bot main, my biggest advice is play support occasionally and actually commit to doing well. You’ll end up improving your mental game and synergy, because you’ll understand the mindset and thought process of a support player.
I am ADC main, and one day someone said to me "Delete the thought of supports being the adc's babysitters. You as an ADC take the role of the Support's father: Make their game comfortable and they will reward you with the good plays you need" That changed my game style completelly.
This goes for every role but especially for learning jungle and support at a basic level and vice versa if you're a jg/support player. I've played every role for around 60+ games trying out the other roles after getting diamond as ADC and wanting to mess around. When I first started League I was a mid laner because Faker inspired me to pick up League and then later on I switched to ADC because it reminded me of unit micro in SC2 which is the game I came from. Then I tried support and recently-ish I tried JG. It helps having a base level understanding of what other roles needs and desires are so that you can understand how people are likely to play which will give you a better barometer for gauging your opponent's moves in solo queue.
@@cloudynguyen6527 there is also the Yasuo dilemma, you either ff 15 or live long enough to see Yasuo get his 0/10/0 powerspike, this however isn't poetic like the Draven dilemma
@@vinaayagamkarunagaran3439 feast or famine, pretty much me when my support hovers rell/leona and I'm already hovering between kalista/samira thinking which do i want to die for the dive on hardest this game xD
It's mostly self-aggrandizement. People just want to think whatever they are doing is the hardest job and everyone else is just leeching off their greatness. At the end of the day, it's a teamgame and if one role doesn't perform, you'll notice and it doesn't matter who it is.
As a former support who switched to adc, i always tell the support when they are doing a good job. This actually makes them even better and boosts morale XD on the other hand i flip out when i have an autofilled one who plays like a top laner ....
as a current support/jgl main, you're one of the few players that make this thankless, unpaid *Job* that is playing both of these roles actually bearable.
Currently on hiatus from League, but same here. Used to be a Sup main, but I moved over to ADC. I still go Sup as my second option. Definitely appreciate and compliment good support and be patient with ones who aren't doing as great.
As a Jungle main, the teammates I honor the most are support players. if you have a good one the game can feel like such a breeze to play. Today I had a Talon mid pentakilling the enemy team and just hunting them down, but it was the support who always responded to objective calls and helped me actually take over the map while ADC and mid went on their next hunt for more kills without accomplishing anything else
Fr like, jg feels both easy and hard to play in lower Elos cause nobody but you has to make plays happen and even then there is no guarantee anyone will follow through regardless. Like when drag is up, the enemy jg is down/too far from the obj, and adc and other good dps classes are alive and have prio I swear I want to yell at my screen “TAKE THE F-ING DRAGON!” Like these people think I absolutely need to be there for everything even when they have the advantage.
As a support main, Im now learning jungle because I usually pinged onjectives but my jungler was too slow to go there. Now if I ping I can actually DO something about it
@@duishungry eyy im also a support main just starting to learn jungle too! i wanted to understand jungle pathing, tracking, and macro better as well as get a fresh perspective of the game thats why i wanted to role swap :D
I think, the main reason, why so few people appreciate a good support, is because, as long as it‘s not a carry support or an ap support, that deals a lot of damage himself or a engage support who just sets up crazy kills no one could get normally, you don‘t really notice them, as long as they‘re doing their job right. You don‘t notice a 0/3/6 Sona who prevented you from dying 8 times and prevented several ganks by warding. You only notice dying 8 times and getting tanked constantly because you have no vision.
This is entirely true but the emphasis is on supports really get flamed for NOT doing their job, its really easy to see when someone gets autofilled support and it happens a lot since support is the least played role, but instead of warding for ganks, setting up dragons, tanking engages, even ganking mid and supporting the jungle, all things expected from a support are so often ignored and when you have a support who doesn't ward, doesn't set up objectives, picks something autofill like full AP lux support you just essentially have a second mid laner which so many people don't understand makes the game so much harder for everyone else ESPECIALLY the adc which is why the most flame towards supports come from adc, because a bad support vs a good support can make the match up feel hopeless for the adc on the bad supports side.
@@davidmaitland3238 I think the reason for this is the following: The terrible tutorial and new player experience league gives you. When i, roughly 2 years ago started playing league i first played a bit of mid and then switched to jungle at about lvl 20. As a new player you are usually overwhelmed by everything happening around you. You try out some champs and eventually find something you like. The game doesn't give you smite till like lvl 9 so at first nobody playes jungle. I think you'd agree that support of all the roles is the one where mechanics matter the least and macro the most but the problem is that when you start out, you only have your mechanics. The tutorial teaches you nothing about macro and nobody in your matches knows it either. One of the first advices i got when i started out was to play only one roll and focus on that. At the start, knowing your champions mechanics better than your enemy theirs usually means you beat them. The goals of top mid and bot are pretty apparent and the rest is learned along the way. When you even remotely know what to do on mid and you play it enough you'll get better and have a noticeble impact. Even the goals of jungle are not that hard to get. (Also especially in low elo jungle is regarded as the most impactful and important role in the game so you don't really get around at least knowing what to expect) Support however is different. When i started out and play some beginner friendly supports (only enchanters essentially), I thought that the goal of a good support is to just stay with and heal/shield their adc and cc some enemies and the the ADCs at this leven reinforce that idea. You're regarded as a sort of servant to your adc, following their every wish. Even if the enemies are back you'll get flamed and reported if you leave the lane at all. (my experience) Support seems unfun, boring and without any meaningful impact on the game as on that level of play the adc mostly doesn't even get fed. And like i said in my earlier comment. As you progress and get better in one of the other lanes, you don't notice how much impact the support actually has and never realize what the role is actually about until way later. It also requires a unique mindset in comparison to the other roles contributing to the problem. Sry for the long comment btw xD
@@LezbianLizard So funny how true this is and the ironic thing about it all is that after like level 5 helping the adc at all is optional and the most impactful supports are the ones that roam especially if you're not duo queue with the adc, its far more beneficial for supports to help the jungler because the jungler is the most impactful role in the game and having a good adc is nice but often not even needed. Ive said it for a really long time but dota 2 makes supporting feel so good compared to league, theres a financial incentive to stay with your carry and protect him, pulling waves gives you the support gold and something to do in lane, destroying enemy wards gives crazy amounts of gold so every support in dota wards so much, besides the fact that in dota 2 supports feel so much more powerful, they control the early game completely and quite often are the best team fighters so you feel like a powerful force on the team and not just some background character so far far more people play support in dota than league and you can see why, I just wish league leaned more towards this idea of supports controlling the early game tempo, mids and tops controlling the mid game tempo and adcs controlling the late game tempo, it makes every player have their moments to shine in the game.
@@davidmaitland3238 Dota 2 is a much better game after all. It is more balanced, has a much better early game experience and quite in contrast to league (at least in solo queue) having this thing going on where everybody on the team tries to be THE 1v9 solo carry actually rewards team play. League is weird in this regard cause at least for me, i don't play it in spite of these problems but because of them. If i really think about it the only reason why i play league more than Dota, it just that: that it's unbalanced and borderline unfair in a new way every two weeks. That was a weird realization for me but this chaotic and ever changing nature league has is just what makes it fun for me.
Well hate to break it to you but there are certain things that are basic fundamental levels of play expected from every role, support included. As ADC I don't get praise for dying max 0-2 times in the early game (trading kills in the process or surviving) and having 9+cs/m the whole game. That 0/3/6 Sona doesn't deserve praise for warding well. That's her job. The saving my life part sure, but not warding. Again ADCs don't get praise for farming well because that's a fundamental expectation of playing the role. You are expected to farm well so you can be a strong consistent DPS threat in the mid/late game. You don't go out of your way to praise the cashier at the grocery store checking you out. It's their job to do that. Good supports who make really good proactive plays like flash hooking someone or pinging someone they see on their vision and shotcalling a play that gets you a pick on the enemy jg or whoever and thus gets you dragon/herald/baron. Of course those supports deserve praise and recognition. However if you are the afk right click bot lane, stand 2 miles behind your ADC and it's not a bad matchup where you need to play that respectful, need to be pinged and asked by your ADC to ward tri or river, etc. you don't deserve praise. Doing the bare minimum is not praise-worthy.
As a support player, there is nothing more satisfying as watching people win games because of things you did. It's why playing Bard is semi addicting because mystical journey is the encapsulation of "I set things up".
Bro same, a few seasons ago when i used to play lol alot i only played Bard. He is so fun, he allows you to do anything you want. I carried so many games Bard forever
Support player try not to remind everybody that you are so good and talented and smart = impossible. Find it funny when supports get filled to top or mid and they go 0/20 at 10 minutes.
@@mark5338 that could be said the same to EVERY ROLES you know? learn to appreciate what other can do, before discarding their efforts you otherwise can't see.
I love how you explained that every role is important and gave reasons as to why supp and jg are objectively the hardest and people still try to argue about them being easy
Adc seens to have the loudest moaning mains out there, so obviously the roles that affect them the most (support and jungler) HAVE to be bad otherwise when they lose its their fault
Jg is not objectively the hardest it is in fact the easiest but also most important role, its more just low elo misunderstand their role as a jungler or their pick.
Support is ridiculously easy, I once switched to it just to see it was a cake walk, idk what the support mains complain about, its the easiest role. Adc is way harder than support im actually astonished people would think otherwise like supports just need to stop complaing and do their job
You might wanna make a video on WHY all the laners are in their respective lanes - - the whole philosofy of an ADC needing babysitting, dragon location etc. is a whole discussion on its own
The thing is that the answer is really "Cuz old ass dudes teach new players that that's how they should play even tho the game is not at all the same as when they played it and the 'knowledge' was passed from player to player without even considering if there's an actual reason anymore or not" And it's just a waste having to spend more than 5 minutes on that since people are quicker to dismiss that train of though than yk, thinking if that's true or not... That's also why everyone uses the word META as "What people play in this lanes" instead as "Most-Effective-Tactic-Available" as it should be Sorry for the mini rant but that's what I've seen
@@makuron5743 thats also why dota 2, even tho i dont play it in my opinion is a better game than league, there they have 2 supports and im not completely sure but both their "ad carries" just farm and dont even interact with each other, correct me if im wrong
@@makuron5743 I mean you don't need to understand the words that make up an acronym to understand what it means. Plenty of acronyms you can understand what they entail by context clues. If someone is saying "that champ is META right now" then I assume "hey this champ is really strong in the current game state" which is exactly the same as understanding "Most-Effective-Tactic-Available" As for the onboarding of new players and teaching them how to play the game, most people aren't wrong because they still play the game. If someone is telling you mordekaiser bot is a strong pick they probably haven't played the game in many many years. Now if someone is telling you that supports are traditionally paired with marksmen champs bot lane and you would just tell them it's because people realized long time ago that having at least 1 marksmen champ on your team was a good thing because they are a strong reliable source of consistent DPS in fights. However they are very squishy and susceptible to dying to ganks so pairing them with another role is ideal. I'd also add that it's not really that hard to put 2 + 2 together with a lot of things in League. As I just said I never needed someone to explain why supports go with marksmen champs bot nor why marksmen champs are usually picked bot. It all just is easily perceived. Marksmen are good consistent DPS but they are easily killed and they need time to scale so they need assistance in the early game.
Im liking the generally informative type of video. Maybe you could make a series where you talk about individual champions and their place in the meta?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he doesn't do that because the meta changes all the time. A video about meta in season 13 won't be relevant in season 15.
he can't, the most he can do i generalize their identity and playstyle with why No One/Everyone Plays, the meta changes too much for well made individual videos for champs
As a support main I dont really want recognition but when that rare adc thanks me for protecting them troughout the game its just pure childish joy. Thank your supports people they literally babysit you until you can do things on your own and are still there to help if you mess up (talking about actual good supports here).
@@mac1cam and I honor my ADC's always but more often than not people honor the yone who shredded the enemy team and not the support Lulu who kept Yone alive while he was bashing his face on his keyboard.
Same, I absolutely adore it when my adc recognizes the efforts I take to engage, peel, heal, shield, body block, or flash for them. It makes me feel so happy and appreciated 🥹
although i do think that the control role can be expanded upon. for example volibear almost perfectly fits that role. he can do a little both of all 3 but, hes not the same as ivern or fiddle and whatnot in that they cant zone off an area. i think the closest thing he can do is disrupt everyone in teamfights with his 1 cc ability, which is the bear(sorry) minimum. hes borderline a toplaner that hangs out in the jg. idk if are they also part of the control role, to me they feel likea juggernaut except sometimes they dont have as much damage
@@gangsterman5590 volibear is not a farming jungler at all, neither a controller. He is clearly a ganker, his early-mid are great (early more than mid), so farming is useless, has great gank potential and DIVE potential.
@@ghibli5111 I don’t think so, you have enough sustain and base stats that you can do what morde does. You can full clear into taking both scuttles into drag into another full clear. And even if that wasn’t true, his clear has always been really fast making him have a lot of tempo. He can farm gank farm gank pretty well. It’s like in all my games if I lean more towards ganking the game only gets more coinflippy. Relying on consistent fast clear speed seems to work really well. If the enemy jg is someone I know I can bully early I’ll even invade often and gank even less knowing that if I can lock down objectives and if my laners can simply not be inting it’ll be more than worth.
@@gangsterman5590 if u don't feed ur laners as volibear u are failing at him. Farming fast is not making u a farming champ. Invading is possible becuase of strong early game, which is tipically associated with being a "ganking" jungler, like nidalee, elise, xin zhao, khazix... Getting a lead by powerfarming is not what makes u a farmer jungler. Every champ can get a lead by powerfarming, but that lead is useless if u are volibear. Ur strongest time in the game is early-mid, if u waste it farming u are inting.
As a support player i feel like support/jg player i feel sup is the easiest to play but most difficult to play correctly, and that this is where the controversy comes from. You can have a new player and literally tell them what ability to cast on you when you want it and technically they're still playing the support role to a bare minimum, but actually supporting properly is so much more difficult. Like the mental gymnastics on whether you're safe to set up vision in an area bcs of your jg/mid matchup... whether the adc matchup means the enemy shoves the wave so fast ur adc gets dived so u cant roam... Who needs a renata save or thresh lantern more than everyone else. Then sometimes its just so demoralizing to see the flak u get after working so hard for someone else to get to carry. In short be nicer to the support players, unless theyre autofilled top laners playing sett or pantheon.
100%. Support (and jungle) is a role that when played well can solo win the game for your entire team. Draft a strong pairing bot, play for lvl 2 all in. Get a kill or force summs, crash the wave and ward for 3min~ when JG is about to finish clear into reset/roam mid. Wrap around vision with hex flash or hugging walls and gank mid, blow flash or get a kill. Help jg with an invade, baiting the enemy JG and killing them. Good support play is incredible and I'll always appreciate them when they do play well. However like you said it's also the easiest role to play aka it has the lowest skill floor meaning the base level requirements to play the role are almost nothing at all. This holds true as in my experience when I get an autofilled mid player as my support most of the time they are really good and active in lane trying to pressure because they are hungry to get advantages. Meanwhile most support players are passive as fuck and don't want to even contemplate stepping up because they might pee their pants if they tried to make a proactive move. And I don't want to hear the go-to support excuse of "well I don't want to get flamed" because that's bullshit. It's your job to do so. Unless the matchup is so unplayable that you cannot even trade abilities you should be always looking to pressure.
I'd love an in depth analysis of each lane. What makes a good champ work there by analyzing the established ones and therefore try to search for parameters on what makes an offmeta champ work there. You can also analyse things like heimer sup that became meta and try to establish a pattern
My role is the hardest, and everyone always flames my role for the thing that they think is my responsibility, but it's actually everyone's responsibility for doing the thing that you think my role should do.
It's funny how a good team always has a better support yet no one appreciates them. Depending on what support they are either A. the teams lifeline (shielders/healers) or B. Holds so much psychological pressure (tanks/catchers/hookers) or C. The ones who farmed under there ADC/APC and became the carry itself. Arguably the most of not the 2nd most important role in the game. (mostly junglers are the most important role)
Honestly no, support is a good role but I argue Midlaner are one of the most important role in the game, people usually goss over them since most of them are carry champ, this set up the "carry is easy" mindset.
Fuck no this isn't true. On my climb to diamond this year for the first time I had a 60% wr in 200 games and maybe 30 max had genuinely good support players. The reality of support is it doesn't take much to be the "better" support because the skill floor is so low that if you simply know how to ward at good times and play proactive just in lane alone you are already the "better" support. Are you hitting creeps and walking up as you're about to hit lvl 2? Already the better support. It's not hard to be better than your counter part as support in solo queue. Sorry (not sorry) but warding, holding the wave for your ADC, actively looking to pressure in lane and walking up if you're going to get lvl 2 first, etc. Those are the basic fundamentals of support. You don't see people praising their ADC for farming 9+cs/m and not feeding in the early game and you know why? Because those things are expected of you as a bare minimum as ADC. Every role has bare minimum expectations and support is no different. The reality of the average support is they sit 2 miles behind their ADC and you're lucky if they throw out an ability once every minute trying to trade or even threatening pressure in lane. Most supports don't know how many creeps it takes to get lvl 2 as is evident by how many of them still walk up despite not helping dps the wave to either get lvl 2 first or match lvl 2 and then they die. Those are the two typical early game support gameplay experiences you will see. Most go through every game playing as if they are kicked back on the couch playing a singleplayer mario game with their feet up and a drink and snacks next to them. The supports that actually look for plays and look to pressure as is the purpose of their role are the ones that will be the "better" support purely based on the fact that your opponent is afk right clicking bot lane while they alt tab to watch a youtube video or change songs on spotify while they take a bite out of their food. Most supports play on autopilot is what I'm saying and they do it by far the most out of any role.
A half-joking, half-serious summary of *.* *.* *.* League in 2023: Top: A role that you either get stomped in and don't play the game or you get so far ahead you can straight 1v3 maybe even 1v4 in most elos in mid-late game. Whether or not the fed enemy toplaner is winning the game for their team may or may not be your fault but in actuality your team will always think the the former! Mid: The role that imo gets the most agency in the game in terms of roaming but also usually gets ganked the most by junglers who wanna grab a kill while passing by the middle of the map. Many classes here get fucked by the meta in the regular Jungle: The most polarizing role in the game and the most impactful one. You may be wielder of all tactics but regardless of the truth, usually you are called the master of none! You are either the "jg diff" guy or the jungler who can carry a game single-handedly with this being the only role that's able to do so. Also, apparently, Riot's foster child the past few seasons with it getting increasingly more and more buffed every new season. Adc: Ever wondered how it feels to be useless in front of literally any other enemy laner if they have even a 600 gold lead despite it being a 1v2? Well this role is for *you* ! You get the privilege of getting ganked constantly and sometimes even those weird breakable pink wards that usually give you a small chance to survive can't help you! But hey, at least you're playing the "adc carry" right? You are sure to carry this game in 30 minutes right? Support: You can choose to play the "play perfectly and still get stomped" or the "actually have a semblance of visible game impact" classes . Which classes you ask? *Well* you see every few months Riot spins a wheel to decide that! If your class gets chosen, good for you! If not you get the incredible opportunity to experience what it is like to play a game while feeling like a spectator to it! So much so that, these days, your teammates won't even bother reminding you of the fabled "supp gap" cause you are so -forgettable- formidable! *In all seriousness though, the game has gotten more and more polarizing the past few years. The metas are getting so powerful that even OTPs are starting to quit their champs cause complete mastery of both macro and micro and knowing every single mechanic of their champs inside and out isn't enough to close the gap between them and the guy who picked the meta champs and got 1 kill in early*
"The support must be the most thankless role in the game" My man never babysitted a lane as a jungler only for said laner to still turn it around and feed their asses off and proceed to flame his own jungler claiming jug diff even when he has 5/3/3 jungler compared to enemy 1/3/3 one.
Man, this has nothing to do with the video (I barely watched ten seconds of it) but there's something I wanted to say for a long time now: your choice on music is always great, man. That one time you used the OST from pokémon conquest? Just perfect. Congratulations on the nice taste, and keep it up! Also, the videos are always nice, you quickly became one of my favorite youtubers because I love game analysis on a game design perspective, and your thoughts are always appreciated ^^
I played all 5 roles to EUW master 600LP. Things I learned are: -Bot laners are all trash and brainless, easiest to win with. -Mid lane is annoying because either you don't play the correct champs or you're getting 1v3ed all the time. -Jungle is the best to get free LP but it's taxing and not fun at all since you're not laning and you're just trying to outsmart the enemy jg. -And there is the one... the most aids role in the game. Top. You either counterpick or get counterpicked, you either get camped or your opponent gets camped, you play a carry champ or hope your bot is human. Even if you win ur lane while getting counterpicked and 1v2 all game bot laners will still find a way to go 0/20 on strongside and lose every dragon. So role rating is jg>adc>supp>mid>-------------------------------------- big gap------------------------------------->top
This is actually very helpful. Particularly jungle’s roles helps in understanding what junglers do beyond simply just ganks. In low elo some people just talk about ganks the whole time without really acknowledging the other types. I used to play a lot of adc but now I am not only hoping to diversify my champion pool in that lane and otherwise, but also learn how to play the other roles more properly. I have actually been drifting towards support in a way because after having taken a break and watching higher elo in the meantime, I learned more about the importance of vision and how to properly use it. In the right situations, support can essentially be a team leader, in high elo they oftentimes roam super hard as well acting like a mini jungler in some cases (rakan or thresh being the biggest ones) It will be interesting to see what I most gravitate to especially with how fun yasuo has felt given that he meshes perfectly with my playstyle. Bot lane is a role I am still consistent in given its simplicity and Tristana works great for applying macro pressure between fights late game as well.
Honestly, I think top lane is probably the most skill expressive lane in the game. Other lanes get ganks all the time but top is like a gladiator arena that makes you want to bash your head in
Horrible take imo, top lane is purely just stat checks. Top laners are almost always easy to play due to no skill shots and no intricate kit. Being on an island means it’s more brain dead. There are no outside factors to worry about, you just win in champ select or you don’t. IMO all ur logic is backwards here
I play smite and dabble in some league from time to time but mainly watch it because it's interesting but this is totally opposite from smite, I've been seeing support is the easiest role in league but in smite it's easily the hardest or 2nd hardest, first being jungle, and solo/adc is easiest. Mid and jungle are the most macro/micro heavy
As someone who mainly plays jungle, I know that it is the most impactful role since I can see which lane would has the most result when I gank them. I occasionally play support and can recognize a good support when I play ADCs. Nowadays, Im playing Top which is reliant mostly on how I will play and has the most varied matchups. I do notice that most players hate the Support and Jungle role when I try autofilling for a couple of games. Im fine with both roles so I dont see why people dont like the babysitter role
People (largely ADCs) don't like supports because the skill floor for the role is so incredibly low meaning the bare minimum you have to do to win in the role is significantly lower than every other role. You can be the type of support who afk right clicks bot lane for 15 minutes, doesn't even try to look for any roams, doesn't ward, doesn't buy pink wards and instead buys fairy charms/amp tomes/long swords, etc. and you can still "win" games because you coinflipped the better team anyways so you inting didn't matter because you got the better laners/JG. Meanwhile if you are an ADC, farm 4-6, even 7cs/m and die 3+ times every lane phase you likely won't be winning even half of your games because you aren't meeting the bare minimum requirements expected of you.
My tip for ranking up as a support player, stay away from engage supporter in solo queue. Enchanters, damage supporters, and pick supporters are more consistent. Things like Alistair, Leona and nautilus are great but the problem is you must completely rely on your team to back you up. So many times will you engage as a support and be left for dead. Roles where you can exert your pressure while maintain the ability to bail out if far more consistent. Much easier to win backing up your teams then trusting your team to back you up.
@@MarianaBello-fq3hx Jungle it's the most important in the early - mid game. Lategame there is the single and only important rhole; ADC. Lategame it's 85-87% adc diff.
In my experience most roles aren't really understood. I always honor good supports. My main role is ADC (the most useless role in the game) and without a good support, life is hard. But no matter if i can carry the team or not, i will use every ability and move i can make to support the whole team. ADC is a responsibility, you gotta be careful, you gotta watch out and you gotta take care of your support and LISTEN to his warnings. (Never get in the way of two supports who fight over a ward. Just don't do it.) So at least you can say you did everything you could while the whole enemy team (excluding toplaner) will turret-dive you the first 15 minutes.
With the revent adc changes the power level of adc's had generally gone up making them statistically one of the highest impact roles in the game. Although they often feel the complete opposite for many, bot lane is indeed a very, very powerful role.
Used to have that in Season 0 and 1. But by Season 2 it's been pretty hammered in. You can still do it, you just gotta do it with a premade team. Cause if you try stuff like that in solo que... well we all know how nice and caring the League community can be at times, (sarcasm.)
@@zidaryn Still in S2 people did what ever and had fun. I used to play Crit Nocturne ADC back then. Everyone was fine with it, well, almost everyone 😅. Fixing roles is more of a S3 things, which is when they gutted the Eve mid and later Kha mid. Remember Kha'Zix mid being THE meta and then Riot target killing it to force him jungle? Yeah, that kind of shit begun in S3, but picked up steam from S5 onward.
@@nathanc939 Yea. It happened with Team Builder. (Now normal que, or position que.) It's way better for people knowing "oh, I'm doing this" but not as much for creativity.
Everyone knows the most important roll is the shaco teemo bot lane, like how can anything else compare, the clown and the not literal clown just trolling their hearts into a vic
"The support must be the most thankless role in the game" My man did you ever witness 8 people claiming jungle diff? And of course 4 of them being in direct opposition with the other 4 in their claims?
My man have you never seen a 10/4 ADC who carried their dogshit JG who afk camped the 0/4 darius running it the fuck down while their support stood 2 miles behind them for 15 minutes? JG and Supports are the two most entitled roles in the game and they love to scream to the heavens that it's the other way around. I can't even begin to count the number of games I've played where my JG afk paths topside to a losing top and mid meanwhile I'm having to put on my giga tryhard pants and 1v2 or 1v3 bot lane and somehow manage to get out of lane with a 40+ cs lead, more plates and/or tower and carry their awful asses in the mid game.
As a top laner, i felt the its "one thing for sure is not top lane" comment. Like riot consistently nerfing top laners while the lowest percentage of the top 100 on euw are top laners like let us breath bro. It definitely has the lowest carry potential.
I only complain about mid because of how many champions can just play that lane, sometimes it feels that if you do not abuse some champs you feel helpless and get flamed when you are put behind against Tristana midland etc
Excellent video. I've seen one other like this from someone else long time ago; this was a little more in-depth. I've heard it talked about as three class before. I like playing Wild Rift and sup is my main (jg second). Lux got me to Masters. Lulu got me to diamond. Those are probably my two favorite champs. Waiting for Swain to come. I will have a better idea of what to do thanks to this video. Peace, Brother.
Support life since season 1 I was playing with friends and i got to play support ever since then i just stayed support it's nice when the adc says gj and ppl thank you 😊😊
This makes me wonder: why is lane distribution so stale in LoL? Why don't we see tri-lanes, 2-1-2, 1-2-2, roamers, etc.? My theory: perhaps because champions scale exponentially, it's not worth sacrificing safe farm for early pressure. Tell me if I'm stupid.
Oooh i remember the good old days, going blitz with duo top before jungle was a settled thing. All my friends loved me since i was actually supporting my team, a rare thing to see back in those days. Good times.
"Supports are either aggresive or defencive" Me - Who plays Sona so aggrecive that I often solo kill/force out of lane the enemy ADC because I won't stop poking them
Somehow I doubt this because I have never in my life played with a sona that was aggressive. I can be auto spacing the fuck out of the enemy ADC while dodging all the enemy support's spells and if I have a sona they are in zimbabwe alt tabbed watching youtube.
I'm main top bc is piss easy, even if I loose I'm still chilling and losing games is not as heartbreaking as other lanes. Now, jg is stupidly hard bc you need to play for 4 other people and avoid 5 other people for the whole game, and it's just extremely stressful. Adc is a piss poor experience when you soloq, bc no one ensures a good support, and when a support is good you REALLY notice it. Also, the mechanical skill to properly kite and position yourself is carpal tunnel inducing. Mid's kinda chill. If bot sucks, you help em and get cash, same with top. The only deal is that the champs played in mid are all scuttlebugs with 18 dashes. Sup is jail.
If you think top lane is piss easy you must be boblow lol. It is debatably the most mechanically demanding role and any leads you build can fall hard if your team loses anyways at dragon fights and the game becomes uncarryable. Your impact on the outcome of the game is so low if your team loses it before you can even leave lane.
I god damn hate assassins and their players. It just so happen that the people playing the 500 dashes bullshit are also always scums who are toxic to everyobe while going 1/9.
@@Soft__lemons Don't you understand that the role is easy, PRECISELY BECAUSE of all you said? If you have a good match-up, but don't manage to capitalize on it, no one's going to blame you for losing the game, as no one's actually expecting you to carry anyway. And if you have a bad match-up, all you have to do is play safe and try to keep up with your opponent in terms of CS and be mindful to warn the mid laner when your lane is empty, so they should be careful of a gank from your lane opponent. That's all. The enemy jungler and how they dedcide to play is basically the biggest unknown in top lane. But even that isn't that big a worry, because you will (very) rarely see a jungler willing to grieve you by babysitting your oponent, as that's kind of pointless and thus counter-productive for their team. Sure, it's basically impossible to win a game if your team-mates are potatoes, that's true...but that doesn't mean that the role is hard. Becuse you don't really have any control on how good your team-mates are. It's the hardest role with which to climb, yes, but that's just the isolationist nature of the position. It's still easier than the others, esepcially jungler, where you falling behind even a little can cost your team the game. As for mechanics...those are all champion reliant. And there are some champions in top lane that even a chimp could play, as well as some that are basically unfair to almost everyone else (Jayce and Gnar). Just stay away from Riven and Irelia and you're good.
@@madsgrams2069 You said some top laners even a chimp could play but you said that adcs need mechanics??? Dude everyone in this game needs to auto attack and abuse range, just because your character is fragile doesnt mean the role isn't easy enough for a retarted child to do well
The hardest part of playing support is dealing with the ADC. They are, far and away, the worst role to deal with. Petulant little children. Toxic, liable to throw a tantrum if they aren't the center of attention for even a second, far more likely to int and run it down than any other role. I actively despise them.
There was a point in time where I have committed myself to plan all five roles because I had no Champion or playstyle that fit me well in the beginning. Top and jungle have currently become my weakest roles, while support has become my strongest. Thanks to that I can at least play at a mediocre level at each role, and at least know how everyone else would play at any given time. My advice to everyone is to give each role of shot even if you're extremely bad at it just so you know how it's supposed to work. It's really humbled me even as an iron player
This is true, I was able to reach gold so far this season as a support main but I felt like I can’t just rely on luck or only playing the same three champs in a single role if I want to try and reach plat. I can play adc and mid to an extent but top and jungle are also the roles I can’t/don’t play, that’s why I’m starting to learn both and get out of my comfort zone as well as get better game knowledge and macro. I didn’t want to play either role at first because jungle is so daunting with its complexity and top is so intimidating with its intense 1v1 environment 😭 but after finding top and jungle champs whose mechanics I’ve grown to enjoy from aram, it’s time for me to get a new perspective of the game :]
@@mcsy98 Top is a very snowbally lane, if you aren't confident that you can win a 1v1 against their champ (if you're up against any Duelist like Fiora or Jax just give up on getting a kill on them without your jungler to help) then take extreme care not to die, even a single time. It can get out of control real fast, they can abuse their advantage to zone you out of creeps and make you useless in the late game. Tank champs like Malphite and Ornn are pretty safe into most matchups. Except Fiora, Gwen, Camille or Irelia (which are called the "four horsewomen of top lane" btw lol). You just pick Poppy into those. Or you could also pick up Jax as a counterpick to these, be careful against Fiora's parry while you're casting E though.
@@masterblaster2678 Hey thanks for the tips! I do like supportive / utility champs which is why I was thinking about playing tanks like shen, chogath, and ornn, but jax is my bruiser pick if ever. Also I thought riven was part of the four horsewomen of toplane instead of gwen since I’ve actually heard of that before, unless gwen is like an honorary member lol
@@mcsy98 It's kinda interchangeable, I think most people considered Riven a part of the 4 horsewomen but I like the category that involves all the women that slices tanks :D Riven feels a bit easier to deal with as a tank imo. But hard to land a Q on her as Cho :
I have played this game for years most the time as tank top main but I have been mid and jg as well I will says this during half the metas being a tank top your team thinks of you as second support all kills from ganks need to go to the jg die for a good teamfight and be on shifts with your support on babysitting your adc so I view supports as colleges
i see the support get honoured and encouraged the most out of the roles. if the support doesn't actively int they are getting always an honour from someone normally the adc and if they do 1 good thing in a match like a 3 man nami ult then it's the whole team honouring them while other roles like top and jungle and do the same and it's just them doing their job which is weird cause it goes the opposite for saving a teammates life. if shen ults to save someone their a legend but a janna flashing to shield and heal you while stunning an enemy isn't worth noting. i think enchanters are the most thankless class along with tanks, more vanguards then wardens. the amount of times i have hit a 3 or 4 man ult as Ornn but no one causes but when the pyke presses r 4 times their a god. same with destroying people as ivern but means nothing when the yas just right clicked on them while i spoon fed him and kept him alive, he'll get the prays. anyways mid is probs the most gushed over role while top and supports are the least but supports get praised for existing ok most of the time so it's not too bad for em.
Yeah well you can hit a 5 man stun on Cassiopeia and your team still lose the fucking fight and then proceed to spam ping you and blame you, while you are the only one that killed someone. Control/battle mages mate. No mater what you do, someone is mad at you, usually because they pinged for help but you were out of mana and just recalled. Meanwhile later on you land 3 man stuns as Anivia and completely 1v9 the game and that guy still spam ping you. If you are a champion that is mana hungry, always remember to keep pinging your mana, even though it is on their screens, your 4 morons can't understand mana is a thing. You will get your jungler try to dive your oponent, expecting you to join in, while you sit on 3% mana and ping them off, then they will get mad and int the game. Battle/control mages have the allies do not understand mana debuff.
I'll be honest I've never once thought a pyke player was a god for pressing R and getting resets in a fight. It's the embodiment of last hitting kills in teamfights except in champion-form. Now what I will call them a god over is hitting insane hooks.
I feel like I get my props playing support. If I play well, most of my team recognizes it because the things I do impact what they do. I tend to play champs that have very obvious "big play" ability. Like, if I'm playing Morgana, everyone knows when I land the q to shut down their snowballing hypercarry. The only people who flame me when I'm not playing great are people who are also playing poorly to cope with their own failures. I think a lot of people flame supports who are way too passive.
as someone relatively inexperianced (played for a long time but mostly aram and took long breaks) with the game trying to main/learn support first feels difficult. if you dont play tank/engage sup everyone and their dog 1 shots you and if you play a tankier sup when you engage no matter how good/well timed it felt i usually get ccd and die or bursted down and die and be lik wtf ADC. i like the kits of thresh, nami, naut, braum, blitz and soraka
i have a question, whats the reason for "i dont make guides videos"? i mean i dont mind watching a series of "Why you should play " couched by vars , some kind of discussion like for what is the champion strong or stuff ,it ll be nice for the "why no one plays champs " SO YOU SHOULD CONSIDER maybe in the future
I'm just guessing (not Vars by any stretch,) but I think it's because he looks more at game design as opposed to what works well now. Also there are lots of other people making guides, but not that many do analysis like him. Vars would be amazing at guide vids if he did them. I'd definitely watch them. They'd probably be much more in depth as well.
If a team loses before 15 minutes, it's probably a lane diff. If a team loses after 15 minutes, it's probably a Support diff. Where Supports shine is when both teams are evenly matched, so that it's their peels, their engages or their vision that swings the match. It's frustrating to be Support when your team has decided to FF and run it down and your top/mid is going 0/6. You can't support a team that doesn't want to be supported.
You know what also sucks? When support players don't look to get lvl 2 and pressure, when they don't buy pink wards and instead by fairy charms/amp tomes/long swords, when they don't look for proactive plays either in lane or making roams on good timers where your ADC will be safe from getting dove and the wave is in a good state to roam i.e. has crashed and is pushing back, etc. Support players love to act like their role is low impact and can't do anything but you have the 2nd most impact in the early game. If you're saying your team losing in the first 15 is team diff I can bet if I watched your replays you are afk right clicking bot lane 90% of the time and standing 2 miles behind your ADC not even looking to trade or pressure. Bad supports will make excuses and use those excuses as reasons to why they don't put in the effort to win. It's the stereotypical support coping mechanism. When team loses, blame team because "I'm support, what can I do?" When if you watch their replays they aren't looking for roams off reset or when their ADC is basing. They aren't looking to cancel the enemy ADC recall if they are greedy. They aren't looking to be proactive in any regard at all. They're just locking in sona and right clicking bot lane while they watch a movie on their 2nd monitor.
Support is a rough thing, I'm a tanky support player. I enjoy Leo, Naut, and so on. But I also try to get juusssttt enough damage, usually one damage item, so I'm not completely reliant on my ADC if they got no self preservation instincts. My main advice to any support...be supportive, but don't be dependent.
As an adc main. A sup diff is actually gigantic. A lot of the games where botlane wins its more because of the support than the adc. I love support mains
I feel like hecarim is sort of mischaracterized as a ganker. He is really good at ganking, but having 7+ cs per min is also really important for him to function well. His clear is a very important part of playing him.
Saying this as an adc main, support for me is by far the most important role, even more important than the jungler. If I have a support who knows what theyre doing then winning the lane is basically guaranteed and unless the enemy has an overfed assassin in one of the other lanes then the game is basically won. If I have a bad support however then maybe unless the jungle babysits the lane is lost and there is barely anything for an adc to do as farming becomed increasingly more dangerous and difficult as the game goes on as well
As a support main, most people think support is just warding/de-warding and shielding/healing/hooking. To be a _good_ support, you need much more than that, you actually have to use your brain and think a couple steps ahead and have the mechanics to pull off the moves needed to save people or help kill high priority people. Also, I almost never see anyone else other than the support players to call the shots and come up with a strategy.
I fully agree with everything except that last line. I'm an ADC main and in solo queue I'm always pinging my intentions based on the goals I have. If I'm looking to stack a wave into crash I caution ping the wave and then right as the next wave is at tower I ping assistance and on the way. In mid/late game fights I'm always the first one to look for what the best next move is. For example if we are post 20 minutes, win a teamfight mid and baron is alive I'll always be the first and usually only one to ping it. 9.9/10 times my team afk pilots to running to down mid lane and taking mid T2 instead of taking baron instead. Or the opposite of that, say we win a fight mid and ace them, my team will autopilot to going baron when the enemy teams death timers are 40+ seconds and we have a wave at the enemy inhib tower mid. I'll instead spam ping mid lane and my team will realize their call is wrong and they'll come mid and we end the game right there. I'm always looking and thinking of what the next move/play should be and I play ADC.
As an ADC main I always appreciate a good support and jungle. It's absolutely orgasmic when a support saves you from dying/engages at the perfect time, or a jungle who knows what they're doing. If they're good I'll literally do WHATEVER they want. They need help with dragon? I'll be there in a second!! They want to group up! I'll follow! ADC is probably the least impactful role while also having the absolute least agency. I'll follow good players like a dog.
Another big issue with noone beeing willing to play support is that people pick "support" champions instead, like swain who just takes all the adcs kills and becomes a midgame meanace that screws over his teams late game.
“they live and die by their creed: if they’re dealing lots of damage they’re doing well, if they don’t deal lots of damage they’re doing poorly” me: this is the way
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As far as I am concerned the five roles in league of legends are: Top, Mid, ADC, Support and Scapegoat.
it is also the most impactful role and you get fuck other peoples lanes and singlehandedly win the game. So i guess it balances out.
@idir bouchdoug junglers also have to rely on the fact that their team has map awareness and isn't selfish enough to help the jungler in some situations. It's a team game and it doesn't matter how far ahead I get my mates if we don't use it the right way
@@Okita78 yep every game the enemy team groups and helps objectives while your teammates expects you to 1v5 dragon and kill the whole team and then ping jungle diff
Top, Mid, ADC, Support and Child Psychologist*
@@idirbouchdoug1567 the meta right now is: Jax or useless, kassadin or useless, scapegoat, ADC , poor ADC
As a Bot main, my biggest advice is play support occasionally and actually commit to doing well.
You’ll end up improving your mental game and synergy, because you’ll understand the mindset and thought process of a support player.
I am ADC main, and one day someone said to me "Delete the thought of supports being the adc's babysitters. You as an ADC take the role of the Support's father: Make their game comfortable and they will reward you with the good plays you need" That changed my game style completelly.
yeah both adc/bot and support players should know how to play each others role so that they know what the other is looking for or trying to do
I will not fail with my teemo support.
This goes for every role but especially for learning jungle and support at a basic level and vice versa if you're a jg/support player. I've played every role for around 60+ games trying out the other roles after getting diamond as ADC and wanting to mess around. When I first started League I was a mid laner because Faker inspired me to pick up League and then later on I switched to ADC because it reminded me of unit micro in SC2 which is the game I came from. Then I tried support and recently-ish I tried JG. It helps having a base level understanding of what other roles needs and desires are so that you can understand how people are likely to play which will give you a better barometer for gauging your opponent's moves in solo queue.
You forgot the Draven role, Vars. It is a difficult role. You have to donate 10000 gold to the enemy team by going 0/20.
That’s only my team’s Draven. Enemy team Draven cashes in his passive once a minute and has mystic, ER, and BT by 10 minutes
@@mzou89 The Draven dilemma. You either int a Draven or live long enough to see yourself one shot enemy. Truly poetic.
@@cloudynguyen6527 there is also the Yasuo dilemma, you either ff 15 or live long enough to see Yasuo get his 0/10/0 powerspike, this however isn't poetic like the Draven dilemma
@@vinaayagamkarunagaran3439 feast or famine, pretty much me when my support hovers rell/leona and I'm already hovering between kalista/samira thinking which do i want to die for the dive on hardest this game xD
this comment thread is hilarious 😂 you guys are really funny
Its funny how every role complains that their one is hard and all others are easy
They're all challenging in their own right, to be honest.
@@sharavy6851 eeeeeeeeeeeeh
It's mostly self-aggrandizement. People just want to think whatever they are doing is the hardest job and everyone else is just leeching off their greatness. At the end of the day, it's a teamgame and if one role doesn't perform, you'll notice and it doesn't matter who it is.
As a top main, top is easy. I'm just bad.
Nah support easy af... I'm just bad at it lol
You forgot the most underrated role
River shen
A Riven. Or Sher
As a former support who switched to adc, i always tell the support when they are doing a good job. This actually makes them even better and boosts morale XD on the other hand i flip out when i have an autofilled one who plays like a top laner ....
as a current support/jgl main, you're one of the few players that make this thankless, unpaid *Job* that is playing both of these roles actually bearable.
me who queues top lane/support every day
If you play bot i think it should be mandatory to play a bit of the other role just to get the feel lol
Reminded me of those rare moments were you and your sup just seem to be on the same wave length or something, things just work and it's beautiful.
Currently on hiatus from League, but same here. Used to be a Sup main, but I moved over to ADC. I still go Sup as my second option. Definitely appreciate and compliment good support and be patient with ones who aren't doing as great.
As a Jungle main, the teammates I honor the most are support players. if you have a good one the game can feel like such a breeze to play. Today I had a Talon mid pentakilling the enemy team and just hunting them down, but it was the support who always responded to objective calls and helped me actually take over the map while ADC and mid went on their next hunt for more kills without accomplishing anything else
As a support main I usually just honour the least toxic person or whoever carried the hardest.
Fr like, jg feels both easy and hard to play in lower Elos cause nobody but you has to make plays happen and even then there is no guarantee anyone will follow through regardless. Like when drag is up, the enemy jg is down/too far from the obj, and adc and other good dps classes are alive and have prio I swear I want to yell at my screen “TAKE THE F-ING DRAGON!” Like these people think I absolutely need to be there for everything even when they have the advantage.
@@Ratty524 honestly I feel the same and I'm not playing jungle
As a support main, Im now learning jungle because I usually pinged onjectives but my jungler was too slow to go there. Now if I ping I can actually DO something about it
@@duishungry eyy im also a support main just starting to learn jungle too! i wanted to understand jungle pathing, tracking, and macro better as well as get a fresh perspective of the game thats why i wanted to role swap :D
You forgot to say something about things adc must do : fear everything that is not your team color
No matter how you stand, they will be able to oneshot you
Doesn't matter if they are full tank what takes you 15 autos takes them 2 abilities
@@dragonsreingsupreme1 true lol
I noticed you forgot to mention the jungle subrole of Warwick where you do whatever you want and profit
Applies to Bard in support as well
@@danielacanva9824 Bard
@@laughingstock7638 Bard
@@danielacanva9824 idk about that man
I think, the main reason, why so few people appreciate a good support, is because, as long as it‘s not a carry support or an ap support, that deals a lot of damage himself or a engage support who just sets up crazy kills no one could get normally, you don‘t really notice them, as long as they‘re doing their job right. You don‘t notice a 0/3/6 Sona who prevented you from dying 8 times and prevented several ganks by warding. You only notice dying 8 times and getting tanked constantly because you have no vision.
This is entirely true but the emphasis is on supports really get flamed for NOT doing their job, its really easy to see when someone gets autofilled support and it happens a lot since support is the least played role, but instead of warding for ganks, setting up dragons, tanking engages, even ganking mid and supporting the jungle, all things expected from a support are so often ignored and when you have a support who doesn't ward, doesn't set up objectives, picks something autofill like full AP lux support you just essentially have a second mid laner which so many people don't understand makes the game so much harder for everyone else ESPECIALLY the adc which is why the most flame towards supports come from adc, because a bad support vs a good support can make the match up feel hopeless for the adc on the bad supports side.
@@davidmaitland3238 I think the reason for this is the following: The terrible tutorial and new player experience league gives you. When i, roughly 2 years ago started playing league i first played a bit of mid and then switched to jungle at about lvl 20. As a new player you are usually overwhelmed by everything happening around you. You try out some champs and eventually find something you like. The game doesn't give you smite till like lvl 9 so at first nobody playes jungle. I think you'd agree that support of all the roles is the one where mechanics matter the least and macro the most but the problem is that when you start out, you only have your mechanics. The tutorial teaches you nothing about macro and nobody in your matches knows it either. One of the first advices i got when i started out was to play only one roll and focus on that. At the start, knowing your champions mechanics better than your enemy theirs usually means you beat them. The goals of top mid and bot are pretty apparent and the rest is learned along the way. When you even remotely know what to do on mid and you play it enough you'll get better and have a noticeble impact. Even the goals of jungle are not that hard to get. (Also especially in low elo jungle is regarded as the most impactful and important role in the game so you don't really get around at least knowing what to expect) Support however is different. When i started out and play some beginner friendly supports (only enchanters essentially), I thought that the goal of a good support is to just stay with and heal/shield their adc and cc some enemies and the the ADCs at this leven reinforce that idea. You're regarded as a sort of servant to your adc, following their every wish. Even if the enemies are back you'll get flamed and reported if you leave the lane at all. (my experience) Support seems unfun, boring and without any meaningful impact on the game as on that level of play the adc mostly doesn't even get fed. And like i said in my earlier comment. As you progress and get better in one of the other lanes, you don't notice how much impact the support actually has and never realize what the role is actually about until way later. It also requires a unique mindset in comparison to the other roles contributing to the problem.
Sry for the long comment btw xD
@@LezbianLizard So funny how true this is and the ironic thing about it all is that after like level 5 helping the adc at all is optional and the most impactful supports are the ones that roam especially if you're not duo queue with the adc, its far more beneficial for supports to help the jungler because the jungler is the most impactful role in the game and having a good adc is nice but often not even needed.
Ive said it for a really long time but dota 2 makes supporting feel so good compared to league, theres a financial incentive to stay with your carry and protect him, pulling waves gives you the support gold and something to do in lane, destroying enemy wards gives crazy amounts of gold so every support in dota wards so much, besides the fact that in dota 2 supports feel so much more powerful, they control the early game completely and quite often are the best team fighters so you feel like a powerful force on the team and not just some background character so far far more people play support in dota than league and you can see why, I just wish league leaned more towards this idea of supports controlling the early game tempo, mids and tops controlling the mid game tempo and adcs controlling the late game tempo, it makes every player have their moments to shine in the game.
@@davidmaitland3238 Dota 2 is a much better game after all. It is more balanced, has a much better early game experience and quite in contrast to league (at least in solo queue) having this thing going on where everybody on the team tries to be THE 1v9 solo carry actually rewards team play. League is weird in this regard cause at least for me, i don't play it in spite of these problems but because of them. If i really think about it the only reason why i play league more than Dota, it just that: that it's unbalanced and borderline unfair in a new way every two weeks. That was a weird realization for me but this chaotic and ever changing nature league has is just what makes it fun for me.
Well hate to break it to you but there are certain things that are basic fundamental levels of play expected from every role, support included. As ADC I don't get praise for dying max 0-2 times in the early game (trading kills in the process or surviving) and having 9+cs/m the whole game. That 0/3/6 Sona doesn't deserve praise for warding well. That's her job. The saving my life part sure, but not warding. Again ADCs don't get praise for farming well because that's a fundamental expectation of playing the role. You are expected to farm well so you can be a strong consistent DPS threat in the mid/late game. You don't go out of your way to praise the cashier at the grocery store checking you out. It's their job to do that. Good supports who make really good proactive plays like flash hooking someone or pinging someone they see on their vision and shotcalling a play that gets you a pick on the enemy jg or whoever and thus gets you dragon/herald/baron. Of course those supports deserve praise and recognition. However if you are the afk right click bot lane, stand 2 miles behind your ADC and it's not a bad matchup where you need to play that respectful, need to be pinged and asked by your ADC to ward tri or river, etc. you don't deserve praise. Doing the bare minimum is not praise-worthy.
As a support player, there is nothing more satisfying as watching people win games because of things you did.
It's why playing Bard is semi addicting because mystical journey is the encapsulation of "I set things up".
There's nothing more satisfying than polymorphing an overfed, overly cocky assassin after he just dove right in the middle of your team
Bro same, a few seasons ago when i used to play lol alot i only played Bard. He is so fun, he allows you to do anything you want. I carried so many games
Bard forever
Support player try not to remind everybody that you are so good and talented and smart = impossible.
Find it funny when supports get filled to top or mid and they go 0/20 at 10 minutes.
@@mark5338 When no one else wants to, they have to. I too find it funny when someone who doesnt know how to play a role goes 0/20.
@@mark5338 that could be said the same to EVERY ROLES you know?
learn to appreciate what other can do, before discarding their efforts you otherwise can't see.
I love how you explained that every role is important and gave reasons as to why supp and jg are objectively the hardest and people still try to argue about them being easy
Adc seens to have the loudest moaning mains out there, so obviously the roles that affect them the most (support and jungler) HAVE to be bad otherwise when they lose its their fault
Jg is not objectively the hardest it is in fact the easiest but also most important role, its more just low elo misunderstand their role as a jungler or their pick.
@@davidmaitland3238entirely wrong
@@walaaya2223 Based on?
Support is ridiculously easy, I once switched to it just to see it was a cake walk, idk what the support mains complain about, its the easiest role. Adc is way harder than support im actually astonished people would think otherwise like supports just need to stop complaing and do their job
You might wanna make a video on WHY all the laners are in their respective lanes - - the whole philosofy of an ADC needing babysitting, dragon location etc. is a whole discussion on its own
i hope he sees this
The thing is that the answer is really "Cuz old ass dudes teach new players that that's how they should play even tho the game is not at all the same as when they played it and the 'knowledge' was passed from player to player without even considering if there's an actual reason anymore or not"
And it's just a waste having to spend more than 5 minutes on that since people are quicker to dismiss that train of though than yk, thinking if that's true or not...
That's also why everyone uses the word META as "What people play in this lanes" instead as "Most-Effective-Tactic-Available" as it should be
Sorry for the mini rant but that's what I've seen
@@makuron5743 thats also why dota 2, even tho i dont play it in my opinion is a better game than league, there they have 2 supports and im not completely sure but both their "ad carries" just farm and dont even interact with each other, correct me if im wrong
@@makuron5743 I mean you don't need to understand the words that make up an acronym to understand what it means. Plenty of acronyms you can understand what they entail by context clues. If someone is saying "that champ is META right now" then I assume "hey this champ is really strong in the current game state" which is exactly the same as understanding "Most-Effective-Tactic-Available"
As for the onboarding of new players and teaching them how to play the game, most people aren't wrong because they still play the game. If someone is telling you mordekaiser bot is a strong pick they probably haven't played the game in many many years. Now if someone is telling you that supports are traditionally paired with marksmen champs bot lane and you would just tell them it's because people realized long time ago that having at least 1 marksmen champ on your team was a good thing because they are a strong reliable source of consistent DPS in fights. However they are very squishy and susceptible to dying to ganks so pairing them with another role is ideal. I'd also add that it's not really that hard to put 2 + 2 together with a lot of things in League. As I just said I never needed someone to explain why supports go with marksmen champs bot nor why marksmen champs are usually picked bot. It all just is easily perceived. Marksmen are good consistent DPS but they are easily killed and they need time to scale so they need assistance in the early game.
Im liking the generally informative type of video. Maybe you could make a series where you talk about individual champions and their place in the meta?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he doesn't do that because the meta changes all the time. A video about meta in season 13 won't be relevant in season 15.
@@Shmookle04 Yeah, even streaming videos get almost irrelevant with every patch
he can't, the most he can do i generalize their identity and playstyle with why No One/Everyone Plays, the meta changes too much for well made individual videos for champs
@@Shmookle04 God help theres no season 15
I feel like this is just a rephrased “can you make a tier list video pls”
As a support main I dont really want recognition but when that rare adc thanks me for protecting them troughout the game its just pure childish joy. Thank your supports people they literally babysit you until you can do things on your own and are still there to help if you mess up (talking about actual good supports here).
meanwhile other adc scared whole game, hugging tower and teaming up whenever possible sharing xp and gold
If my support is doing well I will always make that clear, I also always honour the support unless they ran it down
@@mac1cam and I honor my ADC's always but more often than not people honor the yone who shredded the enemy team and not the support Lulu who kept Yone alive while he was bashing his face on his keyboard.
Same, I absolutely adore it when my adc recognizes the efforts I take to engage, peel, heal, shield, body block, or flash for them. It makes me feel so happy and appreciated 🥹
@@mcsy98 Nothing matches the happines of being called the walking fountain while playing soraka :))
No way he got a clash royale sponsor that's crazy
You forgot the most important role , the flamer
That is a role? They typically disguise as the ADC.
Also known as; any jungler in diamond and lower
What are you talking about? He have said about adc and jg
@@shikikankillzone4239 doesn't change even above diamond. The role is just so tilting, especially if someone decides to type to you
@@hurriflame375 usually as a Twitch or Vayne
I love how you explain the four different roles of jg, finally people can understand what type of jg they have on their team or enemy team
although i do think that the control role can be expanded upon. for example volibear almost perfectly fits that role. he can do a little both of all 3 but, hes not the same as ivern or fiddle and whatnot in that they cant zone off an area. i think the closest thing he can do is disrupt everyone in teamfights with his 1 cc ability, which is the bear(sorry) minimum. hes borderline a toplaner that hangs out in the jg. idk if are they also part of the control role, to me they feel likea juggernaut except sometimes they dont have as much damage
@@gangsterman5590 volibear is not a farming jungler at all, neither a controller. He is clearly a ganker, his early-mid are great (early more than mid), so farming is useless, has great gank potential and DIVE potential.
@@ghibli5111 I don’t think so, you have enough sustain and base stats that you can do what morde does. You can full clear into taking both scuttles into drag into another full clear. And even if that wasn’t true, his clear has always been really fast making him have a lot of tempo. He can farm gank farm gank pretty well. It’s like in all my games if I lean more towards ganking the game only gets more coinflippy. Relying on consistent fast clear speed seems to work really well. If the enemy jg is someone I know I can bully early I’ll even invade often and gank even less knowing that if I can lock down objectives and if my laners can simply not be inting it’ll be more than worth.
@@gangsterman5590 if u don't feed ur laners as volibear u are failing at him. Farming fast is not making u a farming champ. Invading is possible becuase of strong early game, which is tipically associated with being a "ganking" jungler, like nidalee, elise, xin zhao, khazix... Getting a lead by powerfarming is not what makes u a farmer jungler. Every champ can get a lead by powerfarming, but that lead is useless if u are volibear. Ur strongest time in the game is early-mid, if u waste it farming u are inting.
@@gangsterman5590 if you only farm as volibear you will get out scaled as hell
As a support player i feel like support/jg player i feel sup is the easiest to play but most difficult to play correctly, and that this is where the controversy comes from. You can have a new player and literally tell them what ability to cast on you when you want it and technically they're still playing the support role to a bare minimum, but actually supporting properly is so much more difficult. Like the mental gymnastics on whether you're safe to set up vision in an area bcs of your jg/mid matchup... whether the adc matchup means the enemy shoves the wave so fast ur adc gets dived so u cant roam... Who needs a renata save or thresh lantern more than everyone else. Then sometimes its just so demoralizing to see the flak u get after working so hard for someone else to get to carry. In short be nicer to the support players, unless theyre autofilled top laners playing sett or pantheon.
THIS
100%. Support (and jungle) is a role that when played well can solo win the game for your entire team. Draft a strong pairing bot, play for lvl 2 all in. Get a kill or force summs, crash the wave and ward for 3min~ when JG is about to finish clear into reset/roam mid. Wrap around vision with hex flash or hugging walls and gank mid, blow flash or get a kill. Help jg with an invade, baiting the enemy JG and killing them.
Good support play is incredible and I'll always appreciate them when they do play well. However like you said it's also the easiest role to play aka it has the lowest skill floor meaning the base level requirements to play the role are almost nothing at all. This holds true as in my experience when I get an autofilled mid player as my support most of the time they are really good and active in lane trying to pressure because they are hungry to get advantages. Meanwhile most support players are passive as fuck and don't want to even contemplate stepping up because they might pee their pants if they tried to make a proactive move. And I don't want to hear the go-to support excuse of "well I don't want to get flamed" because that's bullshit. It's your job to do so. Unless the matchup is so unplayable that you cannot even trade abilities you should be always looking to pressure.
I'd love an in depth analysis of each lane. What makes a good champ work there by analyzing the established ones and therefore try to search for parameters on what makes an offmeta champ work there.
You can also analyse things like heimer sup that became meta and try to establish a pattern
9:37 Elise got a really great flash prediction.
This needs to be shown to everyone starting League (or any MOBA for that matter).
The thumbnail is giving me old vars vibes and i love it.
Summary
Top- Pressure
Jg- roaming and getting objectives
Mid- stabbility
Adc- damage
Support-control
My role is the hardest, and everyone always flames my role for the thing that they think is my responsibility, but it's actually everyone's responsibility for doing the thing that you think my role should do.
It's funny how a good team always has a better support yet no one appreciates them. Depending on what support they are either A. the teams lifeline (shielders/healers) or B. Holds so much psychological pressure (tanks/catchers/hookers) or C. The ones who farmed under there ADC/APC and became the carry itself. Arguably the most of not the 2nd most important role in the game. (mostly junglers are the most important role)
Honestly no, support is a good role but I argue Midlaner are one of the most important role in the game, people usually goss over them since most of them are carry champ, this set up the "carry is easy" mindset.
Fuck no this isn't true. On my climb to diamond this year for the first time I had a 60% wr in 200 games and maybe 30 max had genuinely good support players. The reality of support is it doesn't take much to be the "better" support because the skill floor is so low that if you simply know how to ward at good times and play proactive just in lane alone you are already the "better" support. Are you hitting creeps and walking up as you're about to hit lvl 2? Already the better support. It's not hard to be better than your counter part as support in solo queue. Sorry (not sorry) but warding, holding the wave for your ADC, actively looking to pressure in lane and walking up if you're going to get lvl 2 first, etc. Those are the basic fundamentals of support. You don't see people praising their ADC for farming 9+cs/m and not feeding in the early game and you know why? Because those things are expected of you as a bare minimum as ADC. Every role has bare minimum expectations and support is no different. The reality of the average support is they sit 2 miles behind their ADC and you're lucky if they throw out an ability once every minute trying to trade or even threatening pressure in lane. Most supports don't know how many creeps it takes to get lvl 2 as is evident by how many of them still walk up despite not helping dps the wave to either get lvl 2 first or match lvl 2 and then they die. Those are the two typical early game support gameplay experiences you will see. Most go through every game playing as if they are kicked back on the couch playing a singleplayer mario game with their feet up and a drink and snacks next to them. The supports that actually look for plays and look to pressure as is the purpose of their role are the ones that will be the "better" support purely based on the fact that your opponent is afk right clicking bot lane while they alt tab to watch a youtube video or change songs on spotify while they take a bite out of their food.
Most supports play on autopilot is what I'm saying and they do it by far the most out of any role.
A half-joking, half-serious summary of *.* *.* *.*
League in 2023:
Top: A role that you either get stomped in and don't play the game or you get so far ahead you can straight 1v3 maybe even 1v4 in most elos in mid-late game. Whether or not the fed enemy toplaner is winning the game for their team may or may not be your fault but in actuality your team will always think the the former!
Mid: The role that imo gets the most agency in the game in terms of roaming but also usually gets ganked the most by junglers who wanna grab a kill while passing by the middle of the map. Many classes here get fucked by the meta in the regular
Jungle: The most polarizing role in the game and the most impactful one. You may be wielder of all tactics but regardless of the truth, usually you are called the master of none! You are either the "jg diff" guy or the jungler who can carry a game single-handedly with this being the only role that's able to do so. Also, apparently, Riot's foster child the past few seasons with it getting increasingly more and more buffed every new season.
Adc: Ever wondered how it feels to be useless in front of literally any other enemy laner if they have even a 600 gold lead despite it being a 1v2? Well this role is for *you* ! You get the privilege of getting ganked constantly and sometimes even those weird breakable pink wards that usually give you a small chance to survive can't help you! But hey, at least you're playing the "adc carry" right? You are sure to carry this game in 30 minutes right?
Support: You can choose to play the "play perfectly and still get stomped" or the "actually have a semblance of visible game impact" classes . Which classes you ask? *Well* you see every few months Riot spins a wheel to decide that! If your class gets chosen, good for you! If not you get the incredible opportunity to experience what it is like to play a game while feeling like a spectator to it! So much so that, these days, your teammates won't even bother reminding you of the fabled "supp gap" cause you are so -forgettable- formidable!
*In all seriousness though, the game has gotten more and more polarizing the past few years. The metas are getting so powerful that even OTPs are starting to quit their champs cause complete mastery of both macro and micro and knowing every single mechanic of their champs inside and out isn't enough to close the gap between them and the guy who picked the meta champs and got 1 kill in early*
"The support must be the most thankless role in the game"
My man never babysitted a lane as a jungler only for said laner to still turn it around and feed their asses off and proceed to flame his own jungler claiming jug diff even when he has 5/3/3 jungler compared to enemy 1/3/3 one.
Unlike support, it's not your job to babysit the laner. You can just roam and do objectives and be a great jungle
Support is chained to the damn adc
Man, this has nothing to do with the video (I barely watched ten seconds of it) but there's something I wanted to say for a long time now: your choice on music is always great, man. That one time you used the OST from pokémon conquest? Just perfect. Congratulations on the nice taste, and keep it up!
Also, the videos are always nice, you quickly became one of my favorite youtubers because I love game analysis on a game design perspective, and your thoughts are always appreciated ^^
Agreed
TOP: Pressure
JG: Open ended (Farmer, Predator, Ganker, Control) Roaming.
MID: Priority
ADC: Damage
SUP: Support the team
This is a great video for people who still haven’t found their preferred lane.
I played all 5 roles to EUW master 600LP. Things I learned are:
-Bot laners are all trash and brainless, easiest to win with.
-Mid lane is annoying because either you don't play the correct champs or you're getting 1v3ed all the time.
-Jungle is the best to get free LP but it's taxing and not fun at all since you're not laning and you're just trying to outsmart the enemy jg.
-And there is the one... the most aids role in the game. Top. You either counterpick or get counterpicked, you either get camped or your opponent gets camped, you play a carry champ or hope your bot is human. Even if you win ur lane while getting counterpicked and 1v2 all game bot laners will still find a way to go 0/20 on strongside and lose every dragon.
So role rating is jg>adc>supp>mid>-------------------------------------- big gap------------------------------------->top
as a support player i feel better now
This is actually very helpful. Particularly jungle’s roles helps in understanding what junglers do beyond simply just ganks. In low elo some people just talk about ganks the whole time without really acknowledging the other types.
I used to play a lot of adc but now I am not only hoping to diversify my champion pool in that lane and otherwise, but also learn how to play the other roles more properly. I have actually been drifting towards support in a way because after having taken a break and watching higher elo in the meantime, I learned more about the importance of vision and how to properly use it. In the right situations, support can essentially be a team leader, in high elo they oftentimes roam super hard as well acting like a mini jungler in some cases (rakan or thresh being the biggest ones)
It will be interesting to see what I most gravitate to especially with how fun yasuo has felt given that he meshes perfectly with my playstyle. Bot lane is a role I am still consistent in given its simplicity and Tristana works great for applying macro pressure between fights late game as well.
the pick a god and pray reference was not lost on me, top 1 fire emblem quote of all time
Honestly, I think top lane is probably the most skill expressive lane in the game. Other lanes get ganks all the time but top is like a gladiator arena that makes you want to bash your head in
Horrible take imo, top lane is purely just stat checks. Top laners are almost always easy to play due to no skill shots and no intricate kit. Being on an island means it’s more brain dead. There are no outside factors to worry about, you just win in champ select or you don’t. IMO all ur logic is backwards here
I play smite and dabble in some league from time to time but mainly watch it because it's interesting but this is totally opposite from smite, I've been seeing support is the easiest role in league but in smite it's easily the hardest or 2nd hardest, first being jungle, and solo/adc is easiest. Mid and jungle are the most macro/micro heavy
The aesthetic of this video is so cool
As someone who mainly plays jungle, I know that it is the most impactful role since I can see which lane would has the most result when I gank them. I occasionally play support and can recognize a good support when I play ADCs. Nowadays, Im playing Top which is reliant mostly on how I will play and has the most varied matchups.
I do notice that most players hate the Support and Jungle role when I try autofilling for a couple of games. Im fine with both roles so I dont see why people dont like the babysitter role
People (largely ADCs) don't like supports because the skill floor for the role is so incredibly low meaning the bare minimum you have to do to win in the role is significantly lower than every other role. You can be the type of support who afk right clicks bot lane for 15 minutes, doesn't even try to look for any roams, doesn't ward, doesn't buy pink wards and instead buys fairy charms/amp tomes/long swords, etc. and you can still "win" games because you coinflipped the better team anyways so you inting didn't matter because you got the better laners/JG. Meanwhile if you are an ADC, farm 4-6, even 7cs/m and die 3+ times every lane phase you likely won't be winning even half of your games because you aren't meeting the bare minimum requirements expected of you.
Love the colors used in this vid!
My tip for ranking up as a support player, stay away from engage supporter in solo queue.
Enchanters, damage supporters, and pick supporters are more consistent.
Things like Alistair, Leona and nautilus are great but the problem is you must completely rely on your team to back you up.
So many times will you engage as a support and be left for dead. Roles where you can exert your pressure while maintain the ability to bail out if far more consistent.
Much easier to win backing up your teams then trusting your team to back you up.
so basically supports are the most important part of the team. got it!
Actually its kinda true. Supps and jg win or lose a game most of the time
No, the most important is jungle. Supports are 2nd.
a good sup and a good jg carries their team, but are also the most team reliant
a good support is pretty close, yeah, they're like a second jungler
@@MarianaBello-fq3hx Jungle it's the most important in the early - mid game.
Lategame there is the single and only important rhole; ADC.
Lategame it's 85-87% adc diff.
In my experience most roles aren't really understood. I always honor good supports. My main role is ADC (the most useless role in the game) and without a good support, life is hard. But no matter if i can carry the team or not, i will use every ability and move i can make to support the whole team. ADC is a responsibility, you gotta be careful, you gotta watch out and you gotta take care of your support and LISTEN to his warnings. (Never get in the way of two supports who fight over a ward. Just don't do it.) So at least you can say you did everything you could while the whole enemy team (excluding toplaner) will turret-dive you the first 15 minutes.
Dude your only purpose is to do damage and you have 2 guys babysitting your ass 24/7 its not that hard
CLASH ROYALE??? This man made it.
With the revent adc changes the power level of adc's had generally gone up making them statistically one of the highest impact roles in the game. Although they often feel the complete opposite for many, bot lane is indeed a very, very powerful role.
Never been a fan of how unflexible and enforced League roles are, never allowing for emergent metas like double jungling, duo top, or even trilane
Used to have that in Season 0 and 1. But by Season 2 it's been pretty hammered in. You can still do it, you just gotta do it with a premade team. Cause if you try stuff like that in solo que... well we all know how nice and caring the League community can be at times, (sarcasm.)
@@zidaryn Still in S2 people did what ever and had fun. I used to play Crit Nocturne ADC back then. Everyone was fine with it, well, almost everyone 😅.
Fixing roles is more of a S3 things, which is when they gutted the Eve mid and later Kha mid. Remember Kha'Zix mid being THE meta and then Riot target killing it to force him jungle? Yeah, that kind of shit begun in S3, but picked up steam from S5 onward.
@@nathanc939 Yea. It happened with Team Builder. (Now normal que, or position que.) It's way better for people knowing "oh, I'm doing this" but not as much for creativity.
Everyone knows the most important roll is the shaco teemo bot lane, like how can anything else compare, the clown and the not literal clown just trolling their hearts into a vic
"The support must be the most thankless role in the game"
My man did you ever witness 8 people claiming jungle diff? And of course 4 of them being in direct opposition with the other 4 in their claims?
My man have you never seen a 10/4 ADC who carried their dogshit JG who afk camped the 0/4 darius running it the fuck down while their support stood 2 miles behind them for 15 minutes?
JG and Supports are the two most entitled roles in the game and they love to scream to the heavens that it's the other way around. I can't even begin to count the number of games I've played where my JG afk paths topside to a losing top and mid meanwhile I'm having to put on my giga tryhard pants and 1v2 or 1v3 bot lane and somehow manage to get out of lane with a 40+ cs lead, more plates and/or tower and carry their awful asses in the mid game.
Everyone: Each role is hard. Me playing nasus on my little island that is top lane: Nah it's easy up here we take life from the calm side
As a top laner, i felt the its "one thing for sure is not top lane" comment. Like riot consistently nerfing top laners while the lowest percentage of the top 100 on euw are top laners like let us breath bro. It definitely has the lowest carry potential.
I only complain about mid because of how many champions can just play that lane, sometimes it feels that if you do not abuse some champs you feel helpless and get flamed when you are put behind against Tristana midland etc
Insane that you got clash royale and supercell to sponsor you
Top: 😡
Jungle: 😴
Mid: 🤒
Bot: 💀
Support: 😎
Excellent video. I've seen one other like this from someone else long time ago; this was a little more in-depth. I've heard it talked about as three class before.
I like playing Wild Rift and sup is my main (jg second). Lux got me to Masters. Lulu got me to diamond. Those are probably my two favorite champs. Waiting for Swain to come.
I will have a better idea of what to do thanks to this video.
Peace, Brother.
Recognizing supports impact is so sick, ty
Support life since season 1 I was playing with friends and i got to play support ever since then i just stayed support it's nice when the adc says gj and ppl thank you 😊😊
why the heck does your game look so insane graphics-wise?
The way you talked about my role (support) warms my heart immensely. Are you Braum's long lost twin?
I play pantheon. I am a support, and I’m the main character. Simple
I wish I had this video when I was new! Every video about the roles just explain the classes not the actual ROLE in the game.
This makes me wonder: why is lane distribution so stale in LoL? Why don't we see tri-lanes, 2-1-2, 1-2-2, roamers, etc.?
My theory: perhaps because champions scale exponentially, it's not worth sacrificing safe farm for early pressure.
Tell me if I'm stupid.
Oooh i remember the good old days, going blitz with duo top before jungle was a settled thing. All my friends loved me since i was actually supporting my team, a rare thing to see back in those days. Good times.
dang ur old
"Supports are either aggresive or defencive"
Me - Who plays Sona so aggrecive that I often solo kill/force out of lane the enemy ADC because I won't stop poking them
SAME LOL-
Somehow I doubt this because I have never in my life played with a sona that was aggressive. I can be auto spacing the fuck out of the enemy ADC while dodging all the enemy support's spells and if I have a sona they are in zimbabwe alt tabbed watching youtube.
I'm main top bc is piss easy, even if I loose I'm still chilling and losing games is not as heartbreaking as other lanes.
Now, jg is stupidly hard bc you need to play for 4 other people and avoid 5 other people for the whole game, and it's just extremely stressful.
Adc is a piss poor experience when you soloq, bc no one ensures a good support, and when a support is good you REALLY notice it. Also, the mechanical skill to properly kite and position yourself is carpal tunnel inducing.
Mid's kinda chill. If bot sucks, you help em and get cash, same with top. The only deal is that the champs played in mid are all scuttlebugs with 18 dashes.
Sup is jail.
If you think top lane is piss easy you must be boblow lol. It is debatably the most mechanically demanding role and any leads you build can fall hard if your team loses anyways at dragon fights and the game becomes uncarryable. Your impact on the outcome of the game is so low if your team loses it before you can even leave lane.
I god damn hate assassins and their players. It just so happen that the people playing the 500 dashes bullshit are also always scums who are toxic to everyobe while going 1/9.
@@Soft__lemons Don't you understand that the role is easy, PRECISELY BECAUSE of all you said? If you have a good match-up, but don't manage to capitalize on it, no one's going to blame you for losing the game, as no one's actually expecting you to carry anyway. And if you have a bad match-up, all you have to do is play safe and try to keep up with your opponent in terms of CS and be mindful to warn the mid laner when your lane is empty, so they should be careful of a gank from your lane opponent. That's all. The enemy jungler and how they dedcide to play is basically the biggest unknown in top lane. But even that isn't that big a worry, because you will (very) rarely see a jungler willing to grieve you by babysitting your oponent, as that's kind of pointless and thus counter-productive for their team. Sure, it's basically impossible to win a game if your team-mates are potatoes, that's true...but that doesn't mean that the role is hard. Becuse you don't really have any control on how good your team-mates are. It's the hardest role with which to climb, yes, but that's just the isolationist nature of the position. It's still easier than the others, esepcially jungler, where you falling behind even a little can cost your team the game.
As for mechanics...those are all champion reliant. And there are some champions in top lane that even a chimp could play, as well as some that are basically unfair to almost everyone else (Jayce and Gnar). Just stay away from Riven and Irelia and you're good.
Seems like you never got counter picked on top in your life, only way to justify it being easy
@@madsgrams2069 You said some top laners even a chimp could play but you said that adcs need mechanics??? Dude everyone in this game needs to auto attack and abuse range, just because your character is fragile doesnt mean the role isn't easy enough for a retarted child to do well
Hecarim is Also a Farmer JG. I love Ur vídeos, It makes League Fun by descomplicating things
The hardest part of playing support is dealing with the ADC.
They are, far and away, the worst role to deal with. Petulant little children. Toxic, liable to throw a tantrum if they aren't the center of attention for even a second, far more likely to int and run it down than any other role. I actively despise them.
There was a point in time where I have committed myself to plan all five roles because I had no Champion or playstyle that fit me well in the beginning. Top and jungle have currently become my weakest roles, while support has become my strongest. Thanks to that I can at least play at a mediocre level at each role, and at least know how everyone else would play at any given time. My advice to everyone is to give each role of shot even if you're extremely bad at it just so you know how it's supposed to work. It's really humbled me even as an iron player
This is true, I was able to reach gold so far this season as a support main but I felt like I can’t just rely on luck or only playing the same three champs in a single role if I want to try and reach plat. I can play adc and mid to an extent but top and jungle are also the roles I can’t/don’t play, that’s why I’m starting to learn both and get out of my comfort zone as well as get better game knowledge and macro. I didn’t want to play either role at first because jungle is so daunting with its complexity and top is so intimidating with its intense 1v1 environment 😭 but after finding top and jungle champs whose mechanics I’ve grown to enjoy from aram, it’s time for me to get a new perspective of the game :]
@@mcsy98 Top is a very snowbally lane, if you aren't confident that you can win a 1v1 against their champ (if you're up against any Duelist like Fiora or Jax just give up on getting a kill on them without your jungler to help) then take extreme care not to die, even a single time. It can get out of control real fast, they can abuse their advantage to zone you out of creeps and make you useless in the late game.
Tank champs like Malphite and Ornn are pretty safe into most matchups. Except Fiora, Gwen, Camille or Irelia (which are called the "four horsewomen of top lane" btw lol). You just pick Poppy into those. Or you could also pick up Jax as a counterpick to these, be careful against Fiora's parry while you're casting E though.
@@masterblaster2678 Hey thanks for the tips! I do like supportive / utility champs which is why I was thinking about playing tanks like shen, chogath, and ornn, but jax is my bruiser pick if ever. Also I thought riven was part of the four horsewomen of toplane instead of gwen since I’ve actually heard of that before, unless gwen is like an honorary member lol
@@mcsy98 It's kinda interchangeable, I think most people considered Riven a part of the 4 horsewomen but I like the category that involves all the women that slices tanks :D
Riven feels a bit easier to deal with as a tank imo. But hard to land a Q on her as Cho :
Vars a way better tutorial than what Riot has xD
I have played this game for years most the time as tank top main but I have been mid and jg as well I will says this during half the metas being a tank top your team thinks of you as second support all kills from ganks need to go to the jg die for a good teamfight and be on shifts with your support on babysitting your adc so I view supports as colleges
Indeed, it is not the toplane... Why am I playing this lane again ?
Because you are a stripped from dignity sadomasochist, thats why.
i see the support get honoured and encouraged the most out of the roles. if the support doesn't actively int they are getting always an honour from someone normally the adc and if they do 1 good thing in a match like a 3 man nami ult then it's the whole team honouring them while other roles like top and jungle and do the same and it's just them doing their job which is weird cause it goes the opposite for saving a teammates life. if shen ults to save someone their a legend but a janna flashing to shield and heal you while stunning an enemy isn't worth noting. i think enchanters are the most thankless class along with tanks, more vanguards then wardens. the amount of times i have hit a 3 or 4 man ult as Ornn but no one causes but when the pyke presses r 4 times their a god. same with destroying people as ivern but means nothing when the yas just right clicked on them while i spoon fed him and kept him alive, he'll get the prays. anyways mid is probs the most gushed over role while top and supports are the least but supports get praised for existing ok most of the time so it's not too bad for em.
Yeah well you can hit a 5 man stun on Cassiopeia and your team still lose the fucking fight and then proceed to spam ping you and blame you, while you are the only one that killed someone.
Control/battle mages mate. No mater what you do, someone is mad at you, usually because they pinged for help but you were out of mana and just recalled. Meanwhile later on you land 3 man stuns as Anivia and completely 1v9 the game and that guy still spam ping you. If you are a champion that is mana hungry, always remember to keep pinging your mana, even though it is on their screens, your 4 morons can't understand mana is a thing. You will get your jungler try to dive your oponent, expecting you to join in, while you sit on 3% mana and ping them off, then they will get mad and int the game.
Battle/control mages have the allies do not understand mana debuff.
I'll be honest I've never once thought a pyke player was a god for pressing R and getting resets in a fight. It's the embodiment of last hitting kills in teamfights except in champion-form. Now what I will call them a god over is hitting insane hooks.
I feel like I get my props playing support. If I play well, most of my team recognizes it because the things I do impact what they do. I tend to play champs that have very obvious "big play" ability. Like, if I'm playing Morgana, everyone knows when I land the q to shut down their snowballing hypercarry. The only people who flame me when I'm not playing great are people who are also playing poorly to cope with their own failures. I think a lot of people flame supports who are way too passive.
"unlike toplane where if you are up against a counter matchup you have to pick a god and pray" my guy i am praying to all of them im not picking.
Who do you main in league?
Chads
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as someone relatively inexperianced (played for a long time but mostly aram and took long breaks) with the game trying to main/learn support first feels difficult. if you dont play tank/engage sup everyone and their dog 1 shots you and if you play a tankier sup when you engage no matter how good/well timed it felt i usually get ccd and die or bursted down and die and be lik wtf ADC. i like the kits of thresh, nami, naut, braum, blitz and soraka
Vars is a support main confirmed.
i have a question, whats the reason for "i dont make guides videos"? i mean i dont mind watching a series of "Why you should play " couched by vars , some kind of discussion like for what is the champion strong or stuff ,it ll be nice for the "why no one plays champs " SO YOU SHOULD CONSIDER maybe in the future
I'm just guessing (not Vars by any stretch,) but I think it's because he looks more at game design as opposed to what works well now. Also there are lots of other people making guides, but not that many do analysis like him.
Vars would be amazing at guide vids if he did them. I'd definitely watch them. They'd probably be much more in depth as well.
If a team loses before 15 minutes, it's probably a lane diff. If a team loses after 15 minutes, it's probably a Support diff. Where Supports shine is when both teams are evenly matched, so that it's their peels, their engages or their vision that swings the match. It's frustrating to be Support when your team has decided to FF and run it down and your top/mid is going 0/6. You can't support a team that doesn't want to be supported.
You know what also sucks? When support players don't look to get lvl 2 and pressure, when they don't buy pink wards and instead by fairy charms/amp tomes/long swords, when they don't look for proactive plays either in lane or making roams on good timers where your ADC will be safe from getting dove and the wave is in a good state to roam i.e. has crashed and is pushing back, etc. Support players love to act like their role is low impact and can't do anything but you have the 2nd most impact in the early game. If you're saying your team losing in the first 15 is team diff I can bet if I watched your replays you are afk right clicking bot lane 90% of the time and standing 2 miles behind your ADC not even looking to trade or pressure. Bad supports will make excuses and use those excuses as reasons to why they don't put in the effort to win. It's the stereotypical support coping mechanism. When team loses, blame team because "I'm support, what can I do?" When if you watch their replays they aren't looking for roams off reset or when their ADC is basing. They aren't looking to cancel the enemy ADC recall if they are greedy. They aren't looking to be proactive in any regard at all. They're just locking in sona and right clicking bot lane while they watch a movie on their 2nd monitor.
Support is a rough thing, I'm a tanky support player. I enjoy Leo, Naut, and so on. But I also try to get juusssttt enough damage, usually one damage item, so I'm not completely reliant on my ADC if they got no self preservation instincts. My main advice to any support...be supportive, but don't be dependent.
Since the game's inception? Nah, it took a few years for all these roles to emerge
Jungle: the one that is always to blame.
As an adc main. A sup diff is actually gigantic. A lot of the games where botlane wins its more because of the support than the adc. I love support mains
Really appreciate this video, exactly what I was l looking for as a lol newbie
I feel like hecarim is sort of mischaracterized as a ganker. He is really good at ganking, but having 7+ cs per min is also really important for him to function well. His clear is a very important part of playing him.
Saying this as an adc main, support for me is by far the most important role, even more important than the jungler.
If I have a support who knows what theyre doing then winning the lane is basically guaranteed and unless the enemy has an overfed assassin in one of the other lanes then the game is basically won.
If I have a bad support however then maybe unless the jungle babysits the lane is lost and there is barely anything for an adc to do as farming becomed increasingly more dangerous and difficult as the game goes on as well
ah yes, music from three houses. Love to hear it
Sorry boss I'll be late to work, Vars dropped another banger
Who is this new guy clash royale, never heard of them
Super succinct and helpful!
I'm a midlaner and occasionally support, but it's because I enjoy playing mage champions.
As a support main, most people think support is just warding/de-warding and shielding/healing/hooking.
To be a _good_ support, you need much more than that, you actually have to use your brain and think a couple steps ahead and have the mechanics to pull off the moves needed to save people or help kill high priority people.
Also, I almost never see anyone else other than the support players to call the shots and come up with a strategy.
I fully agree with everything except that last line. I'm an ADC main and in solo queue I'm always pinging my intentions based on the goals I have. If I'm looking to stack a wave into crash I caution ping the wave and then right as the next wave is at tower I ping assistance and on the way. In mid/late game fights I'm always the first one to look for what the best next move is. For example if we are post 20 minutes, win a teamfight mid and baron is alive I'll always be the first and usually only one to ping it. 9.9/10 times my team afk pilots to running to down mid lane and taking mid T2 instead of taking baron instead. Or the opposite of that, say we win a fight mid and ace them, my team will autopilot to going baron when the enemy teams death timers are 40+ seconds and we have a wave at the enemy inhib tower mid. I'll instead spam ping mid lane and my team will realize their call is wrong and they'll come mid and we end the game right there. I'm always looking and thinking of what the next move/play should be and I play ADC.
14:12 pyke mains: 👁️👄👁️
very informative and well explained.
Jungle - Carry your team every single time
As an ADC main I always appreciate a good support and jungle. It's absolutely orgasmic when a support saves you from dying/engages at the perfect time, or a jungle who knows what they're doing. If they're good I'll literally do WHATEVER they want. They need help with dragon? I'll be there in a second!! They want to group up! I'll follow! ADC is probably the least impactful role while also having the absolute least agency. I'll follow good players like a dog.
Bro got sponsored by fcking Clash royale
The 9:37 flash prediction tho👀
It was clean for sure.
Another big issue with noone beeing willing to play support is that people pick "support" champions instead, like swain who just takes all the adcs kills and becomes a midgame meanace that screws over his teams late game.
“they live and die by their creed: if they’re dealing lots of damage they’re doing well, if they don’t deal lots of damage they’re doing poorly” me: this is the way