@@EdrianneMarDelin I have been investigating and I can affirm that lengthening an amount between 7cm-8cm on your four legs is the safest and proportional to your body, I am afraid that if you lengthen more than that amount it would be dangerous and it would look disymmetric-disproportionate, if you lengthen your legs less 7cm-8cm not worth it The perfect elongation would be 3 cm in tibias and 4 cm in femurs.
@@lionheart5655 you see 3.2 inches isn't the limit so isn't 4 inches, 3.2 is the safe regime, the wealthier you are the better treatment and after surgery care you can afford, be it 2-3 inches increase or 8 inches increase, although the flexibility and your body composition does matter. I'm not someone who had this surgery but will definitely get it done someday, so I did a brief inquiry and this what I can conclude. Hope it helps.
You could both done. A patient in Germany got it done. He was 5’2. Now he’s 5’8. He recently got both rods removed and I think has flown back to Germany.
I need both my short ass is 5’3. I’m a good looking healthy successful person. Only one big Insecurity I have is my height. I’m going to get it done this year.
Do the surgery if that what makes you happy not because you're trying to please society because reality is that you can never please society there always a bigger fish in the sea.
same im a good looking guy with money an apartment and everything but i feel i’d get more women my way if i was taller def thinking about getting this.
@@czimisieu8337 brother... no matter how tall you are ... there’s always going to be someone taller than you... look at how much pain u want to put urself through for females that won’t even acknowledge us because where 5’8 .... I know how u feel tho... after my ex moved on I felt so jealous I tried to change my self... u gotta realize bro if she doesn’t like your while you’re short.., then she doesn’t love YOU when your tall... she’s on love with your height ur wealth ur handsomeness but the minute that goes away... she falls out of unfortunately that’s the reality of this world everyone competing for something they can never attain... no matter how great u are or how rich or cute or strong... there will always be someone greater richer stronger cuter... be content with what you have there are people with no legs that would give there entire life to walk again... just be thank full for what u have brother
you can still grow thru 21, some people get crazy growth spurts because as teens they've been living shitty sedentary lifestyles and made the change at 18 then kicked their body into overdrive, have hope!
@@gangweedernigga4012 i’m asian and both my parents are short (i am already taller than them). so i don’t have that much hope but u never know if you don’t try out . until im 21 i will try having a healthier life
I'm not looking into limb lengthening but this video showed up when I searched for "long femurs". So thought I should share this. My problem is that my femurs are too long relative to rest of my bones(arms,torso, tibias), this causes huge problems for me, not just in my self image but physically. My whole body have to carry the load of unproportionate femur bones, I gotta bend my knees more to reach stuff from ground, which tightens my hamstring muscles, not only my thighs look long but also muscular due to all the bending. Feels like my hamstring muscles are too short for my overgrown femurs. I'm not even that tall, I'm 5ft9, I used to be 5ft6 ish before I was 18 until I had this weird late growth spurt in my femurs. I wish there was a way to solve this problem but there isn't, I have to learn to live with it
Ah yeah that's good 'ol genetics for ya. You're also right that muscle tension can be affected by limb length also. I would say there are ways to increase flexibility especially the posterior chain (hamstrings and glutes). Proportion-wise my best advice is to play the muscle game and add mass to various areas to give the illusion of a more proportionate physique. I do this for natural bodybuilding and although it may not be perfect it will help greatly. Wish you the best!
Thank you so much for your honesty! Everyone else that I have heard from or seen on you tube only talks about how painful it is and how fast it is. Tired of dealing with back and hip pains I had my tibias worked on a few days shy of 2 weeks now and have so many question you have quashed. I also have a short leg (1.5 cm) but I also have bowed legs so I figured that if I was taking time off work I might as well take care of both problems. I was originally told by the doctor that it would only take about 4 months for me to get back on my feet so I went for it since I am 50 years old, can't take too much time off work, married, have 2 teen girls and 2 preteen boys at home, but now his associate who took over says 1 year. By the way I am currently living in T.J., cost was $18,000, but we will see in a few months if it was the right choice or not.
Hey Gabriel I bet you DID make the right choice in getting them done as even though you mentioned you were 50yrs old which some may say is when healing is slower. I seriously think that you should be back up on your feet come the 4-5month mark so long as your rehab and nutrition is up to par. I doubt it should take a full year unless some unexpected complication arises. $18k isn't too bad for a LLD surgery nice! I am gonna be working on revamping my rehab plan and if I finish it prior to you getting back up I'll let you know. Wishing you and your family the best during these times!
@@Cyborg4Life Like I said before thank you. I know 50 is the max age to have this done but I also realized I will not be able to deal living in my later years. As far as recovery is concerned there no worry about that since I did mention that I am currently living in T.J. Mexico when I have easy access to injections of magic ferry dust that will help me rebuild bone and muscle fast.
Yo these videos are awesome. I’m also wanting to get into body building and fix this bad asymmetry of right femur 13mm and tibia 6 mm longer than the left side so I actually want to do both my femur and tibia on the left but I like that you mention proportions dope af. I also sorta have a hypothesis about asymmetry and proportions that could affect brain symmetry.
No way you got an imbalance too huh wow. Yeah so there seems to be a 5mm difference between the legs which might be enough for surgeon to proceed. That's an interesting hypothesis and could be onto something as a lot of balance via occipital lobe could affect things or at least create more stressful thinking
Cyborg 4 Life yes I believe now 100% just by observing people that having a leg on one side longer could definitely affect ones whole way of being. Although it’s a thought I think that balance is everything because well that’s what keeps us going two hemispheres in the brain that are sort of opposites I guess could say one masculine (logic) and one feminine (emotion) could imo (hypothesis) be affected by leg length asymmetries and I think that body leg asymmetry, where the legs are like the roots of a tree are what puts the hue in all of us hue-mans lmao. I would love for one day to prove this by getting people to take xrays of the full Lower body and which hip is inclined higher to connect the dots and have a better understanding of body symmetry and brain dominance. A better understanding and different perspective to our nature and way of being.
@@AlexMartinez-vn8kh That really is an interesting hypothesis! I think it could be onto something. I would love to get a guest on the show like Dr. Madeline Harbinson who worked with Dr. Rozbruch on Russel Silver Syndrome patients and probably know if it has some effect on brain development also.
Femur > Tibia in all aspects And I would add : it's already easy to "lengthen" tibias with insoles in the shoes and longer quads are more aesthetic than longer calves in my opinion ;)
I was thinking about getting 3 inches for both femurs since my tibias are longer than my femurs, i was gonna ask if you had encountered any patients around 5 2 or 5 3 who did this surgery with success during your past LL surgery
I look forward to the day where getting limb lengthening surgery will be as easy and cheap as getting breast implants. It’s crazy how being under 6ft puts up a ton of hurdles in your life.
Great video once again, thanks for explaining the process etc. One question I have is, how long would one be out of action for until they're fully fit in pre surgery condition if they were to have both the femurs and tibias lengthened? For example if one was to have the tibias done first, let that fully heal and then do the femurs? Would appreciate any advice. Thanks
Gotcha, so if someone gets the tibias done, rehabs, heals and then femurs usually a year later for max height you'd be looking at 18-21months from first surgery to be in pre-surgery condition considering you rehabbed and rebuilt properly
I am currently at dr Lee hospital and under the process of lengthening my tibia. A lot of patients here have no problem go more than 5 cm. Most of patients go for 6, 7 or even more with no complication
Cyborg 4 Life i was surprised when i first came to the hospital to realize that most patients lengthen tibia longer compared to femur. Patients who had 2 surgeries said femur is more painful than tibia
Hi Victor... I have reached 4 cm now with extending the Femur and Tibia bones at the same time. At this stage i have recognized that my Tibia needs some more time to just with the muscles and soft tissues compared to Femur. So i have decided to continue the extension on the Femur but stop it for a couple of days on my tibia bones. Another big issue is that i can't really sleep and do heavy exercises even if i really want it. I mean the gia is still there 12/13 cm but at straight beginning i recognized that this journey will be more tough then i have imagined. And i was absolutely not optimistic with the pain and so on... Having done the extension on 4 bones and 6 broken bones makes it really difficult to do the proper exercises and walk a bit. I had my first surgery on the 12th on my Femur and the second surgery on the 16th on my Tibia. Even after 3 Weeks it's really hard to walk from one room to another. My concern now is the lack of sleep. Since weeks i am not able to sleep for longer than 2/3 hours cause i have the feeling that i need to move my legs due to pain and uncomfortable feeling. So that's so far my report at 4 cm and 3 weeks.... C ya Cyborg
Wow man thanks so much for sharing this update with me! Hey if you'd like you can email me directly here: cyborg4life.com/contact/. I just find it easier to keep up with important updates like this via email plus we can keep your story more private in email then public here. But if not, keep updating me here as I appreciate it and am learning about quadrilateral lengthening thanks to you!!!
@@karimnourel-din-7412 Hi Karimnoureldin, my limb lengthening is still in process. I did the the Femur and Tibia at the same time. To be honest, it's not that easy. I have some issues with my Tibia. All the soft tissues are not recovering like the Femur part. I mean you are extending your legs by 2mm a day and it's nice to see the results but it's accompanied with pain und 24h uncomfortable feeling. The mobilization is not like with just one part surgery. I have spent 1 month after my first surgery and still i am not able to walk. even with the handles. So if your hight goals are not that high, please just stick to your femur bones. You will have a relaxed life. Cheers
@Liam Celik first I pray for ur fast recovery & I wish ur surgery passes smoothly 🙏 Your words makes me Rethinking again for surgery Maybe I go only for femuers instead of tibia , I'm thinking do both for my height So Liam Femuer goes well with you
@@karimnourel-din-7412 Hi, you get me wrong, I have already done the surgery on my Femur and Tibia bones at the same time.... it's really tough and i would just go for the femur part not both at the same time after my experiences
I am going to undergo this surgery on may and they are going to increase my height by 6 cm on tibia but now that you said that above 5 cm is risky for tibia, i kinda feel worried :///
Is it common practice with leg lengthening doctors to discuss final leg length with torso length so that the proportions between upper and lower body aren’t too crazy looking?
It's probably not their main concern so I'd say not common practice however, you as the patient would be best off making that a point to discuss during the consultation. I think they should make it common practice given this is a top factor in the ending appearance result
0:54 Y2J ! you said being never be able to move around for the rest of the life if over lengthening is done! What's the probability of that happening out of 10 ? 1/10 , 2/10 or more like 5/10 ?
@@montaignedarbyakwallstreet7602 I am 5'6 What is the maximum that I can reach with limb lengthening surgery ?? ( I have hopes to be 6 foot tall though )
Great question and I suppose a separate video on proportions is a a good idea but to answer I'd say no you don't have to lengthen your arms if you do the legs to get taller. You simply would add muscle mass to the legs to give the illusion of a more proportional physique. I'll discuss in a later video stay tuned...
that was amazing video, thank you for summing it for us. If you dont mind me asking what was your height before the surgery, and what is your current height? I love your videos keep it up!
Hey Victor, thanks for the video it was very informative. I just have a question, you mentioned that muscle flexibility is a factor that determines which bone is operated on. My question is that could an individual improve their flexibility to become a better candidate for the bone they choose? Like through yoga or stretching excercises, thank you.
@@keepcalmandsleepcalm Lol yeah it should although some of them may be helping out with the healthcare worker demand. But I am going to start reaching out this coming week
Hey victor, great video! I had a question, I’m 20 years and I’m 5’8”(173-174 cm), can I lengthen my femur 2.5 cm(1inch) and then lengthen my tibia 2.5 cm to get to 5’10”? Is 5 cm in total possible? Is the age of 25 good enough to consider this surgery? And after post op will I be able to perform basic functions and occasional skateboarding?
It's possible but not wise. I would say to do 5cm in one segment and be done with it. If you do this for proportions you could potentially impact your recovery or at least the time to recovery. I would say just one segment unless a significant amount of length
did mine at 28 but i recommend doing on femur because naturally femurs are longer than tibias and u do need to consider when you're sitting down next to someone what they see is your body and femur length, not tibia
Hey i just ran into your channel and it’s amazing. Im a 22 male about 5’5 and will definitely get this surgery done when im able to. Question is woukd it be safe to just lengthen the femur 2.5-3 inches (about 7cm)? I know this is the cheapest options I can do and also just want to at least somewhere between 5’7-5’8
@@Cyborg4Life thanks for the reply! Yes I am in shape I workout pretty consistently. The only thing standing in my way is the money haha but hopefully by the time I’m 30 I can get this done
Hey thanks for bringing more transparency to this surgery. I have two questions I hope you can give an opinion on. Do you think in 5 to 10 years this surgery will get a lot more expensive? Like the 100,000 plus range. And my main worry is safety, would it likely be safer in 10 years based on the past 10 years of innovation?
Sure so I think quite the contrary that it may decrease in price if more surgeons start doing it and more technology comes out. The newest tech and most experienced surgeons will cost top dollar but the older tech and less experienced surgeons will charge less. Market demand essentially. Safer...yes- more people are learning a standard procedure.
It'll be something like lasik. As time goes on, newer tech will come and as the procedure becomes standard, it might get cheaper and safer. These days lasik is cheaper if you use older tech but I think it's safer than before because the practice has become more common.
@@guitarboy0211 Lazik will never be safe or a good surgery to get because of the mechanism of the myopia correction. No matter what machine or what surgeon is doing it
@@Cyborg4Life dude tell me please...now that you have done lenghtenning one tibia out of the two ,, do you feel a difference beetween your two ...is one stronger and more solid than the other ...or you can't tell any difference ...same question for your femurs please
Hi, I recently found your channel while looking into LL, wandered off from looking at corrective surgery for knock knees. It's been very informative. A hypothetical question (for now): I'm around 167 cm tall and would ideally want to reach 175 cm. Would I need to decide from the start if I want both tibia and femur lengthened or could I see if I'm happy after the first surgery? For practicality, I'd rather do 1 procedure but for aesthetics I don't know if I'd be happy with it. I'm guesstimating that my femurs are short (the best I could measure myself, tibia are 37 or 38 cm, femurs are 42 cm), but I don't want to look too disproportionate.
Yeah you could see if you're happy after the first surgery but it's true by doing two the proportions are more natural but it's not noticeable in normal clothing
Now that I think of it I don't think I have actual pics of my legs prior to surgery just x-rays after. But yeah I will post if they fit a certain video. I plan on interviewing a recent LL patient in next 2 weeks or so
You will be fine. My mom is 4'10 , dad is 5'3 and I ended up 5'9. Save up money at a young age and when you are ready get the surgery. If you end up at the same height as me, just wear shoes that make you taller or shoe lifts. Makes you taller and cheaper and no pain.
It won't damage it permanently but it will hurt and ache for up to 1.5-2yrs possibly but not always. This is after you get the hardware out. After that you will be fine if rehab and recovered well. Thanks!
Hi Cyborg, i have just done my surgery on my femur and tibia at the same time with the pricise 2 system. If it is correct i am the first one how had both lengthening at the same time with the Pricise 2 system worldwide. Will keep you updated about the results. Cheers
Wow congratulations! Yes you are definitely one of the first that I know of to have done it at the same time with an internal. I'm glad it worked out. Please do again and keep me updated. Wish you the best on your LL journey and recovery!
@@Cyborg4Life Hi Cyborg, I have reached 3 cm extension today. Unfortunately I feel still the pain of the surgery after 15 days. Even with 3 times PT every week i still suffer from some muscle pain. Nevertheless its a huge satisfaction to see the extension on the femur and tibur in such a short time of period. The only big disadvantage is not to be able to walk a lot. I feel the pain on my lower knee area and after all PT session I have pain like hell.... Keep you updated
@@liamcelik4212 Ah yes, the lack of being able to walk alot is annoying. I am interested in hearing about your progress. The pain should fade soon. Yes please do keep me posted
Well a typical 5cm femur lengthening takes roughly 2 months to lengthen and about another 6 weeks to heal. So from surgery day you're probably looking at 3 to maybe 4 months max. Whereas 5cm on a tibia will take near 3 months to lengthen and 2 to maybe 3 months to heal so 5 months maybe 6 for slow healers. Thus femurs are faster but of course all of this depends on how fast the patient heals
@@sf6695 I would say yes, you could definitely walk by that time, actual running would probably be another month or so. So within 5 months from surgery day you can run. Sprinting may take a tad longer to be safe
@@whatyouseewhatyouget3021 You can do it later on after healing like maybe 8 months you can lift heavier. But the upper body can be trained after first month by using machines only
Almost. I know most surgeons will offer a package deal, if you get both done with them, at a slightly cheaper price. But still outrageous an outrageous cost
Cyborg 4 Life I’m 5’7. I’m willing to do it once I’ve saved and worked hard. It’s outrageous but in a society we live in being tall can open opportunities for me. Acting and modelling. You either complain and sob, or grind and have your vision come true
I am into body building and I want to know how this procedure can influence my future in the sport, my deadlifting, and if when I will be older 60+ I would be cripple faster
@@Cyborg4Life I want it to get it for both legs. Purely aestethic. I have three fears. Getting to sleep in the operation, the idea of the tool malfunctioning inside my bone and the third the risk of getting crippled.
3 things could happen: You get your athletic ability back as normal, you get better athletic abilities because of the longer legs, or you’ll be slightly worse than you were before you got the surgery.
Thighs are 10 cm longer than calves I want to grow about 5cm, but where should I do it? I want to do thighs because thighs are better for recovering athletic performance than calves.
I had this surgery done to my femur and although I was only able to get the 2 out 4 inches that I needed out of it. Doctors will go over 4 inches if absolutely necessary but they won't do it all in 1 surgery.
Oh wow that's really interesting. I know they don't want to do a full 4inches in one segment for a discrepancy that large. Hopefully they get it done safely. Wish you the best!
Hello, with which nail are you lengthening? I had my surgery last november with Dr. Betz in Germany and now I'm over 8cm, aiming for 10 (4 inches), and until now without complications.
@@sergiodtr I used the external fixator to lengthen. I had to manually lengthen my own leg basically. There is internal bar inside your femur bone and then an external device connected through pin sites when you would insert a Allen wrench to lengthen it daily.
If you’re aiming for 3 inches but want to keep the original ratio of femur to tibia balanced, is it a good idea to do 2 inches for the femurs and 1 for the tibias? That way, getting all 3 inches on femur doesn’t cause disproportions or is noticeable?
I’m not exactly sure of the proportion ratio to maintain it post LL but I think it would vary a bit depending on what you currently have but usually yes the femurs are about 15-20% longer than tibias
hey cyborg,thanks to your video!According to your video,fumur 8cm,tibia 5cm, BUT why Dr. Lee has a large number of Lon tibia cases between 5-7cm? (with 0% complications)🤔I look forward to hearing from you!
Yeah he monitors very closely allowing some rare cases to get more than the average. But for most patients only 5cm tibias and max 8cm femurs is likely to be achieved safely
I just know I am shorter than I was meant to be. My femurs I think, seem short. By like two inches at least. 16 to 20 is normal. Mine seem 14 or 15. I am checking into this. My shins seem longer- ish. A Taylor told me the other day. That my legs where short. I had no idea?!. I was athletic but not a fast sprinter. My vertical jumps where always low. I know because I tried to improve them. For my hight.
lot of women have completely disproportionate leg heights, their legs are way too long compared to the top body. If you put them to a man they have the top body of a 5.4' man n and the legs or 6'2 man
She said because it's the easier bone to do - for recovery and just overall surgical approach plus I had a deformity from the original break so my tibia wasn't perfectly straight and finally not all of the discrepancy was in the tibia - most of it was though
Hi there, Cyborg 4 Life :) I'm 5'1 and would like to gain 7 inches or about 18 cm in height; Is that a safe amount? Also, I'm 17 (almost 18) at the moment and plan on saving $90,000 over the course of 3 years to undergo this procedure. If I did stockpile about $90,000, could I conceivably get a loan for the rest of the total cost or are there financing options; For insatnce, a fixed monthly payment I could make instead of paying in full up front? Keep in mind that I've yet to establish credit, but I plan to establish a fair amount of credit over the years that I'll be putting away money. Also, safety and price wise, is there a certain surgeon or surgeons you recommend to have the procedure done with? Thank you very much for all the info by the way! I'm very set on having this procedure done.
I assume that if you're completely done growing and are able to get the $90k you mentioned getting a small loan to help cover the remainder shouldn't be an issue. At that price point of 90k + loan you'd be able to select from the most experienced surgeons for an excellent turnout! Now 7 inches is quite a bit in just 2 lengthenings it may require than that. But I'd say you could get near 3inches on the first go and then a year or two later you could have saved up and go for more length. It is difficult to say without knowing all factors but more than one surgery would be required
Probably would be okay so long as it's healed well and not deformed. I fractured my tibia and had to get LL done. There was a malunion but my surgeon was able to be careful - surgery day just took a bit longer than most
I do somewhere. Um if you check the description of the first proportions video you might find it there. If not let me know and I’ll find it online again
You’ll have to speak to your surgeon specifically about that however, other orthopedic surgeons have mentioned as long as it’s under control it shouldn’t be a huge issue however, you still need to speak to your doctor
You could lengthen the femurs 3inches to get to 5'10 and it depends where you get it done. If in America it will be expensive: near $100k. Elsewhere depends but need to make sure you have an experienced surgeon
@@Cyborg4Life what is the best method of this operation i think elizarof what about you ? And also is it safe to continue your life like usual and easy ? Think you
Cyborg 4 Life you can do in Germany with precise styde bro. They do 35,000 each femur and tibia so around 60,000. I’m 5’7. I’m willing to do it once I’ve saved and worked hard. It’s outrageous but in a society we live in being tall can open opportunities for me. Acting and modelling. You either complain and sob, or grind and have your vision come true At the end I’ll be around 6’1/2!
@@MRSTYL-cc6sl I'm living in Turkey but I'm not Turkish I'm 33 years and I 171cm or 5.7 could I reach 180 cm with one surgery ? Keep in mind there is a clinic in Turkey help you reach 10 to 12cm in one go !
Would only lengthening your tibias make squatting easier in comparison to someone that's the same as you in every aspect except having a higher femur to tibia ratio?
@@Cyborg4Life Thanks for replying. What implications would it have on the biomechanics of an individual's running and jumping? I have no idea, I'm just curious.
I broke my femer had to have surgery still can't walk very far r with out walker its been 8mo still lot pain .how long does it take? I feel like my Leg is little shorter now.
Hi, I just want a conservative, proportional and safe increase in height, the money and pain do not matter to me What do you think of 4cm in femurs and 3cm in tibias
Hello:) I wanted to ask. Is it bad that femur is longer than tibia and how it looks with flexibility and movement? And cna you recommend a good doctor. Thnx
No the femur is supposed to be longer than the tibia. There are several good doctors which I've interviewed and more I plan to discover so you can review them and see which one suits you best based on finance, location and personality
Hey enjoy the content in the videos! I’m just curious did you have both legs done and ik you touched on this on other ideas but as far as going to 6 inches of extra height of and bodybuilding go, what’s your perspective on that? As in, with that extra height would exercising be more difficult?
Hey thanks for the support of the content. No I just had one leg done for surgery-tibia. So 6 inches of height or 6cm? I know for a fact that 6 inches would be extreme for even regaining a normal jog let alone working out. 5inches over 2 surgeries is a push but more reasonable. Now 6cm of height say in the femurs, that would ensure you could make a near full recovery at sports and resume bodybuilding perfectly well. I had nearly 4cm done on the tibia and the knee pain faded almost completely after 2-2.5 years. I regained my ROM by 1.5yrs and was say "perfect" by 3 years. This would be nearly equivalent to 6cm on the femur and thus you should have no issue exercising with that amount of height gain. The equilibrium and center of gravity adaptation for cosmetic limb lengthening patients takes about 6months if you are dedicated to therapy and a rebuilding program like (the one me and a LL doctor will be developing later this year- shameless plug lol). But yeah man, you'll be fine IF you meant 6cm, if 6inches I can't comment as that's well out of range for prediction. Hope this helps
Cyborg 4 Life hey thanks for getting back to me! See I was thinking 6 inches actually but if it’s going to compromise my ability to continue in my athletics significantly beyond the recovery period then I’d rather not risk it. I was just curious as to the whole process and what could be accomplished and how risky it would be with that increase in height.
@@AdastraDreamZ96 Ah okay yeah then you're better off not doing it as it is surgery and that will always carry a risk. Perhaps in the future when the technology becomes futuristic and no chances of compromising function lol
Greetings! Does the femur not look out of preparation to the tibia after 8-9cm added to it? Would it look noticeable? Or are the patients happy with how it looks 🤔
Here’s my takeaway: femurs are easier and will probably heal faster, but lengthening tibs/fibs looks much better from an aesthetic perspective, especially with shorts
Hey, great vid btw. Just wanted to get your opinion. I am 182cm tall (5'11.8 or almost 6ft) and i have a 22 inch torso wich is really big.I know that i have the legs of a 5'7 person but my femurs are proprtional to my torso and arms wich are 6'3 so my thighs are way shorter than my femurs. If i can take 8 cm i'll take them but i would probably need 12/13 cm to have a good femur/thigh ratio. Also btw i'm 16 so is there a minimum age for the surgery
When you say thigh do you mean tibia? If so you won't want to go over 3-5cm to ensure a full recovery but it will also fix your proportion. You probably should wait until you're done growing at like early twenties or confirm with surgeon first as that will ensure your growth plates have fused closed and it would make more sense
@@Cyborg4Life No when i say thigh i mean my femur. My femur(upper leg) is shorter than my tibia(lower leg) by a good 5 cm but normally it's the opposite, the femur is longer than the tibia. 5 cm on the femur would just make it the same size as my tibia
@@krakklover Ok in your first comment you said femur/thigh ratio which is the same thing but I assume you meant tibias? But if femur is shorter yeah if you lengthen it you will definitely fix your proportions at least up to 5-7cm femurs
@@Cyborg4Life oh my bad, but yeah thanks so max 7 cm got it. I wanted it to be balanced since i have a 22 inch torso wich is pretty large for my height
Iam 20 and iam like 5,6-5,7 I used two work out super hard in high school to where I was leg pressing 315 for 10 reps and my max bench being 215 at 15 I would like to know if I get this procedure can I still work out crazy hard like I used to. I am super flexible as well being able to touch the ground with my knuckles when bending over I would like to know how much height I could add and if I would have to lose mass to make sure my excess upper body would make the pressure of my legs look werid also I think I have big calves for someone who is 5,7.
You are super flexible great! You would still get tight if you lengthen more than 5-6cm but I can say you will recover faster than most because of the shape you're in. For someone who is an athlete like you I would say being around 5-6cm to avoid having a hard uphill battle to recovery and that means you would be closer to 5'9 or so. I think it will be a big increase and then you can add your muscle mass back
Ok thank you i was only thinking 5,9 5,9.5 to reach. I also have one last question I have big shoulders and my biceps are 15 inches just for an example of my arms at 5,6-5,7 do you think I would look funny or dispositionanl.
I saw one of your recent videos on this subject and you said to avoid LON on femur; I’m 5’9.25 and want to achieve 6 foot I am leaning towards LON tibia but in this video you said no more then 5cm I’ve seen online the clinics will do 7-8cm for Tibia and 8-9cm for femur. Is 7-8cm safe for Tibia LON?
Yeah don't do LON femur if you can help it. And don't do 7-8cm tibia even if LON. Just risking a lot. 5cm is a lot and you'll be very happy with that on tibia and max of 8cm on femur even 6cm on femur is satisfactory for many
@@Cyborg4Life so I know you had the other doctor on with you regarding LON overview but muscle tissue and strength of muscle is the reason to avoid it on Femur? Would the tissue not have same affect as internal devices when in comparison to LON on femur? Ideally I’d wanna do femur but leaning towards LON due to price so would doing the 6-8 cm on femur with LON be bad
My tibia to femur ratio is 1.1, I'm 6' tall, and my wingspan is 6'3.2", so if my femur got lengthened by 7.5-8 cm all my proportions would be in the perfect zone. Is proportions normalization a reason for doctors to accept my choice to undergo limb lengthening?
Yes it could technically improve your proportions but that's not the reason doctors would lengthen you. It would be because you're unhappy with your height a lot
Absolutely incredible what doctors are able to do today
Right?! They're literally overriding genetics which is really cool
@@Cyborg4Life can i get surgery for both femur and tibia
@@lionheart5655 ide like that better I’m 5’8 wanna be 6 ft so 2 on my femur 2 on my thigh
@@lionheart5655 yes you can. It's going to be significantly more expensive though.
@@BloxianLegend better to wait. for best rresult
If you can afford it, with safety and everything in check, it's better to do both. You'll get much taller than with doing one bone alone.
@@EdrianneMarDelin 7cm-8cm
4cm femures or 4.5cm femures + 3cm tibias or 3.5cm tibias
@@EdrianneMarDelin I have been investigating and I can affirm that lengthening an amount between 7cm-8cm on your four legs is the safest and proportional to your body, I am afraid that if you lengthen more than that amount it would be dangerous and it would look disymmetric-disproportionate, if you lengthen your legs less 7cm-8cm not worth it The perfect elongation would be 3 cm in tibias and 4 cm in femurs.
4 inches on tibia and 4 inches on femur
@@lionheart5655 you see 3.2 inches isn't the limit so isn't 4 inches, 3.2 is the safe regime, the wealthier you are the better treatment and after surgery care you can afford, be it 2-3 inches increase or 8 inches increase, although the flexibility and your body composition does matter. I'm not someone who had this surgery but will definitely get it done someday, so I did a brief inquiry and this what I can conclude. Hope it helps.
@@scarlt31ee41 I did 8 cm on femurs so far so good , in Korea the Dr. (Can't remember his name) does up to 10 cm on femurs
Awesome explanation of the options, cost & math involved in keeping things proportioned properly. Great Video :)
Mental note: 6:10 is a really important question to ask my surgeons, thanks man🙏🏿
I love you dude, like really, I’m almost 17 years old now, 5”4 and I just can’t stand that, and that channel is really helpful, thanks brother ❤️
Sure thing glad I could help!
You could both done. A patient in Germany got it done. He was 5’2. Now he’s 5’8. He recently got both rods removed and I think has flown back to Germany.
@@MRSTYL-cc6sl what?!?? Im 5"7.Does that mean i can get up to 6"0 with no problem?? That would be a dream come true to me..
@@velardechelo Yh in Turkey you can do both for 32,000. It’s been done before. I’m 5’7 too. Haven’t even started saving :(
@@MRSTYL-cc6sl they do both at the same time in turkey? Also is it cheaper in Germany? How can I find the guy you speak of?
I need both my short ass is 5’3. I’m a good looking healthy successful person. Only one big Insecurity I have is my height. I’m going to get it done this year.
Wait fr u know it costs 80k right
children are a shit. do all children all harm you can imagine, i am the one who hates them.
Do the surgery if that what makes you happy not because you're trying to please society because reality is that you can never please society there always a bigger fish in the sea.
same im a good looking guy with money an apartment and everything but i feel i’d get more women my way if i was taller def thinking about getting this.
@@czimisieu8337 brother... no matter how tall you are ... there’s always going to be someone taller than you... look at how much pain u want to put urself through for females that won’t even acknowledge us because where 5’8 .... I know how u feel tho... after my ex moved on I felt so jealous I tried to change my self... u gotta realize bro if she doesn’t like your while you’re short.., then she doesn’t love YOU when your tall... she’s on love with your height ur wealth ur handsomeness but the minute that goes away... she falls out of unfortunately that’s the reality of this world everyone competing for something they can never attain... no matter how great u are or how rich or cute or strong... there will always be someone greater richer stronger cuter... be content with what you have there are people with no legs that would give there entire life to walk again... just be thank full for what u have brother
i’m 17 soon 18. i’m 168cm tall. i guess i will start saving for both operation. If i ever succeed i will comment back
Awesome! Shoot for it and keep us updated!
you can still grow thru 21, some people get crazy growth spurts because as teens they've been living shitty sedentary lifestyles and made the change at 18 then kicked their body into overdrive, have hope!
@@gangweedernigga4012 i’m asian and both my parents are short (i am already taller than them). so i don’t have that much hope but u never know if you don’t try out . until im 21 i will try having a healthier life
@@minjugatoo3772 yes and its wise to save money first bro!
@@minjugatoo3772 I'm 19 and only 162 cm I feel your pain
I'm not looking into limb lengthening but this video showed up when I searched for "long femurs". So thought I should share this. My problem is that my femurs are too long relative to rest of my bones(arms,torso, tibias), this causes huge problems for me, not just in my self image but physically. My whole body have to carry the load of unproportionate femur bones, I gotta bend my knees more to reach stuff from ground, which tightens my hamstring muscles, not only my thighs look long but also muscular due to all the bending. Feels like my hamstring muscles are too short for my overgrown femurs. I'm not even that tall, I'm 5ft9, I used to be 5ft6 ish before I was 18 until I had this weird late growth spurt in my femurs. I wish there was a way to solve this problem but there isn't, I have to learn to live with it
Ah yeah that's good 'ol genetics for ya. You're also right that muscle tension can be affected by limb length also. I would say there are ways to increase flexibility especially the posterior chain (hamstrings and glutes). Proportion-wise my best advice is to play the muscle game and add mass to various areas to give the illusion of a more proportionate physique. I do this for natural bodybuilding and although it may not be perfect it will help greatly. Wish you the best!
Thank you so much for your honesty!
Everyone else that I have heard from or seen on you tube only talks about how painful it is and how fast it is.
Tired of dealing with back and hip pains I had my tibias worked on a few days shy of 2 weeks now and have so many question you have quashed.
I also have a short leg (1.5 cm) but I also have bowed legs so I figured that if I was taking time off work I might as well take care of both problems.
I was originally told by the doctor that it would only take about 4 months for me to get back on my feet so I went for it since I am 50 years old, can't take too much time off work, married, have 2 teen girls and 2 preteen boys at home, but now his associate who took over says 1 year.
By the way I am currently living in T.J., cost was $18,000, but we will see in a few months if it was the right choice or not.
Hey Gabriel I bet you DID make the right choice in getting them done as even though you mentioned you were 50yrs old which some may say is when healing is slower. I seriously think that you should be back up on your feet come the 4-5month mark so long as your rehab and nutrition is up to par. I doubt it should take a full year unless some unexpected complication arises. $18k isn't too bad for a LLD surgery nice! I am gonna be working on revamping my rehab plan and if I finish it prior to you getting back up I'll let you know. Wishing you and your family the best during these times!
@@Cyborg4Life Like I said before thank you.
I know 50 is the max age to have this done but I also realized I will not be able to deal living in my later years. As far as recovery is concerned there no worry about that since I did mention that I am currently living in T.J. Mexico when I have easy access to injections of magic ferry dust that will help me rebuild bone and muscle fast.
@@GABRIELLUCERO1 hahaha! I hear ya well that's good to hear. Yeah you'll be fine
Wow 18k is crazy cheap, is it the precise one or the external fixator?
@@mushfiq3823 I believe I remember him mentioning in a comment before that it was internal nails like precice but hopefully he responds to confirm
For external method such as LON: femeur is significantly more painful than tibia6
Being short is like depressing I hope I could save my money to add 4 inches on my height
Yo these videos are awesome. I’m also wanting to get into body building and fix this bad asymmetry of right femur 13mm and tibia 6 mm longer than the left side so I actually want to do both my femur and tibia on the left but I like that you mention proportions dope af. I also sorta have a hypothesis about asymmetry and proportions that could affect brain symmetry.
No way you got an imbalance too huh wow. Yeah so there seems to be a 5mm difference between the legs which might be enough for surgeon to proceed. That's an interesting hypothesis and could be onto something as a lot of balance via occipital lobe could affect things or at least create more stressful thinking
Cyborg 4 Life yes I believe now 100% just by observing people that having a leg on one side longer could definitely affect ones whole way of being. Although it’s a thought I think that balance is everything because well that’s what keeps us going two hemispheres in the brain that are sort of opposites I guess could say one masculine (logic) and one feminine (emotion) could imo (hypothesis) be affected by leg length asymmetries and I think that body leg asymmetry, where the legs are like the roots of a tree are what puts the hue in all of us hue-mans lmao. I would love for one day to prove this by getting people to take xrays of the full Lower body and which hip is inclined higher to connect the dots and have a better understanding of body symmetry and brain dominance. A better understanding and different perspective to our nature and way of being.
@@AlexMartinez-vn8kh That really is an interesting hypothesis! I think it could be onto something. I would love to get a guest on the show like Dr. Madeline Harbinson who worked with Dr. Rozbruch on Russel Silver Syndrome patients and probably know if it has some effect on brain development also.
@Evans Joe Are you able to have surgery on it? I think that's the only solution for you
Femur > Tibia in all aspects
And I would add : it's already easy to "lengthen" tibias with insoles in the shoes and longer quads are more aesthetic than longer calves in my opinion ;)
longer femur does allow for bigger muscles without chafing, that'd be nice
It's absolutely the opposite, longer tibia is more aesthetic
Thank you x this is so helpful!
I was thinking about getting 3 inches for both femurs since my tibias are longer than my femurs, i was gonna ask if you had encountered any patients around 5 2 or 5 3 who did this surgery with success during your past LL surgery
I look forward to the day where getting limb lengthening surgery will be as easy and cheap as getting breast implants.
It’s crazy how being under 6ft puts up a ton of hurdles in your life.
Yeah it might become more widely accepted in the future
@@Cyborg4Life With your experience and knowledge on this topic you think in 5-10 there will be easier/cheaper/safer surgery bro?
@@jrs3617 probably slightly cheaper cause it will heal faster with less length added
Great video once again, thanks for explaining the process etc. One question I have is, how long would one be out of action for until they're fully fit in pre surgery condition if they were to have both the femurs and tibias lengthened? For example if one was to have the tibias done first, let that fully heal and then do the femurs? Would appreciate any advice. Thanks
Gotcha, so if someone gets the tibias done, rehabs, heals and then femurs usually a year later for max height you'd be looking at 18-21months from first surgery to be in pre-surgery condition considering you rehabbed and rebuilt properly
Thanks for this video bro, just subscribed. So happy you’ve done this video.
Thanks for the support!
I am currently at dr Lee hospital and under the process of lengthening my tibia. A lot of patients here have no problem go more than 5 cm. Most of patients go for 6, 7 or even more with no complication
Oh wow that's amazing! Probably bc Dr. Lee is so good at what he does. Congrats very happy for you
@cuong Lee how is ur LL Surgery goes now? I wish ur well
Cyborg 4 Life i was surprised when i first came to the hospital to realize that most patients lengthen tibia longer compared to femur. Patients who had 2 surgeries said femur is more painful than tibia
Karimnoureldin Abbas Ali Zaied i am doing pretty. I am half way already. Not much pain, however have problem with sleep :(
@@cl1069 I'm happy listening to that great , ur in Korea now already ?
Hi Victor... I have reached 4 cm now with extending the Femur and Tibia bones at the same time. At this stage i have recognized that my Tibia needs some more time to just with the muscles and soft tissues compared to Femur.
So i have decided to continue the extension on the Femur but stop it for a couple of days on my tibia bones.
Another big issue is that i can't really sleep and do heavy exercises even if i really want it. I mean the gia is still there 12/13 cm but at straight beginning i recognized that this journey will be more tough then i have imagined. And i was absolutely not optimistic with the pain and so on...
Having done the extension on 4 bones and 6 broken bones makes it really difficult to do the proper exercises and walk a bit. I had my first surgery on the 12th on my Femur and the second surgery on the 16th on my Tibia.
Even after 3 Weeks it's really hard to walk from one room to another. My concern now is the lack of sleep. Since weeks i am not able to sleep for longer than 2/3 hours cause i have the feeling that i need to move my legs due to pain and uncomfortable feeling.
So that's so far my report at 4 cm and 3 weeks.... C ya Cyborg
Wow man thanks so much for sharing this update with me! Hey if you'd like you can email me directly here: cyborg4life.com/contact/. I just find it easier to keep up with important updates like this via email plus we can keep your story more private in email then public here. But if not, keep updating me here as I appreciate it and am learning about quadrilateral lengthening thanks to you!!!
@Liam Celik how is it going now with tibia I'm thinking doing both femuer & tibia
Which doctor you choosed?
@@karimnourel-din-7412 Hi Karimnoureldin, my limb lengthening is still in process. I did the the Femur and Tibia at the same time. To be honest, it's not that easy. I have some issues with my Tibia. All the soft tissues are not recovering like the Femur part.
I mean you are extending your legs by 2mm a day and it's nice to see the results but it's accompanied with pain und 24h uncomfortable feeling. The mobilization is not like with just one part surgery. I have spent 1 month after my first surgery and still i am not able to walk. even with the handles.
So if your hight goals are not that high, please just stick to your femur bones.
You will have a relaxed life.
Cheers
@Liam Celik first I pray for ur fast recovery & I wish ur surgery passes smoothly 🙏
Your words makes me Rethinking again for surgery
Maybe I go only for femuers instead of tibia , I'm thinking do both for my height
So Liam Femuer goes well with you
@@karimnourel-din-7412 Hi, you get me wrong, I have already done the surgery on my Femur and Tibia bones at the same time.... it's really tough and i would just go for the femur part not both at the same time after my experiences
I am going to undergo this surgery on may and they are going to increase my height by 6 cm on tibia but now that you said that above 5 cm is risky for tibia, i kinda feel worried :///
Then aim for 5cm gradually and assess after each cm to see
thx for your reply, what is the success rate for 6cm + on tibia? do you have number for that?@@Cyborg4Life
So you mean i can lenghten up to 7 cm on tibia if no complication occurs?@@Cyborg4Life
Is it common practice with leg lengthening doctors to discuss final leg length with torso length so that the proportions between upper and lower body aren’t too crazy looking?
It's probably not their main concern so I'd say not common practice however, you as the patient would be best off making that a point to discuss during the consultation. I think they should make it common practice given this is a top factor in the ending appearance result
If you dont know which is femur and which is tibia. You are one of us.
So helpful . thank you.
0:54 Y2J !
you said being never be able to move around for the rest of the life if over lengthening is done!
What's the probability of that happening out of 10 ?
1/10 , 2/10 or more like 5/10 ?
if you don't jeopardize not up to 3inches in the femur and 2 inches in tibia, certainly( scientifically) there's no risk
@@montaignedarbyakwallstreet7602 I am 5'6
What is the maximum that I can reach with limb lengthening surgery ??
( I have hopes to be 6 foot tall though )
@@akshimamalhotra4556 you could get to 6ft. But you need the full 6 inches, that’s going to be expensive... Good luck!
Does you have lengthen ur arm if u lengthen your tibia or femur ??? What if u hv shorts arm ??? Make video on arm lengthening also
Great question and I suppose a separate video on proportions is a a good idea but to answer I'd say no you don't have to lengthen your arms if you do the legs to get taller. You simply would add muscle mass to the legs to give the illusion of a more proportional physique. I'll discuss in a later video stay tuned...
@cyborg 4 life .. waiting for the video
Same question here
that was amazing video, thank you for summing it for us. If you dont mind me asking what was your height before the surgery, and what is your current height?
I love your videos keep it up!
170.5cm to 174.5cm or a bit under 5'9 barefoot
Hey Victor, thanks for the video it was very informative. I just have a question, you mentioned that muscle flexibility is a factor that determines which bone is operated on. My question is that could an individual improve their flexibility to become a better candidate for the bone they choose? Like through yoga or stretching excercises, thank you.
It depends really. You could increase your flexibility but you will get tight regardless. But most surgeons allow you to pick either bone
Bro please do interviews with doctors/patients
I know I've been trying. The Covid-19 chaos has delayed my outreach to them however I'll be getting after it soon enough
@@keepcalmandsleepcalm Lol yeah it should although some of them may be helping out with the healthcare worker demand. But I am going to start reaching out this coming week
Hey victor, great video!
I had a question, I’m 20 years and I’m 5’8”(173-174 cm), can I lengthen my femur 2.5 cm(1inch) and then lengthen my tibia 2.5 cm to get to 5’10”? Is 5 cm in total possible? Is the age of 25 good enough to consider this surgery?
And after post op will I be able to perform basic functions and occasional skateboarding?
It's possible but not wise. I would say to do 5cm in one segment and be done with it. If you do this for proportions you could potentially impact your recovery or at least the time to recovery. I would say just one segment unless a significant amount of length
did mine at 28 but i recommend doing on femur because naturally femurs are longer than tibias and u do need to consider when you're sitting down next to someone what they see is your body and femur length, not tibia
Hey i just ran into your channel and it’s amazing. Im a 22 male about 5’5 and will definitely get this surgery done when im able to. Question is woukd it be safe to just lengthen the femur 2.5-3 inches (about 7cm)? I know this is the cheapest options I can do and also just want to at least somewhere between 5’7-5’8
That's awesome! Yeah good goal and you should be able to achieve that relatively easily at your age but need to be in good shape too
@@Cyborg4Life thanks for the reply! Yes I am in shape I workout pretty consistently. The only thing standing in my way is the money haha but hopefully by the time I’m 30 I can get this done
Can i just email you and ask you some questions?
Hey thanks for bringing more transparency to this surgery. I have two questions I hope you can give an opinion on. Do you think in 5 to 10 years this surgery will get a lot more expensive? Like the 100,000 plus range. And my main worry is safety, would it likely be safer in 10 years based on the past 10 years of innovation?
Sure so I think quite the contrary that it may decrease in price if more surgeons start doing it and more technology comes out. The newest tech and most experienced surgeons will cost top dollar but the older tech and less experienced surgeons will charge less. Market demand essentially. Safer...yes- more people are learning a standard procedure.
It'll be something like lasik. As time goes on, newer tech will come and as the procedure becomes standard, it might get cheaper and safer. These days lasik is cheaper if you use older tech but I think it's safer than before because the practice has become more common.
@@guitarboy0211 I agree. Advancements change everything from procedure to price. Time will tell...
@@guitarboy0211 Lazik will never be safe or a good surgery to get because of the mechanism of the myopia correction. No matter what machine or what surgeon is doing it
@@Cyborg4Life dude tell me please...now that you have done lenghtenning one tibia out of the two ,, do you feel a difference beetween your two ...is one stronger and more solid than the other ...or you can't tell any difference ...same question for your femurs please
Hi, I recently found your channel while looking into LL, wandered off from looking at corrective surgery for knock knees. It's been very informative.
A hypothetical question (for now): I'm around 167 cm tall and would ideally want to reach 175 cm. Would I need to decide from the start if I want both tibia and femur lengthened or could I see if I'm happy after the first surgery?
For practicality, I'd rather do 1 procedure but for aesthetics I don't know if I'd be happy with it. I'm guesstimating that my femurs are short (the best I could measure myself, tibia are 37 or 38 cm, femurs are 42 cm), but I don't want to look too disproportionate.
Yeah you could see if you're happy after the first surgery but it's true by doing two the proportions are more natural but it's not noticeable in normal clothing
Any way you can dig up your own tibia:femur ratios before and after surgery?😬
Now that I think of it I don't think I have actual pics of my legs prior to surgery just x-rays after. But yeah I will post if they fit a certain video. I plan on interviewing a recent LL patient in next 2 weeks or so
15 5’6 my family is short
I don’t know if I will grow in height
@Amazing
if you're a male you will continue to grow until you're 18 sometimes after so dw
You will be fine. My mom is 4'10 , dad is 5'3 and I ended up 5'9. Save up money at a young age and when you are ready get the surgery. If you end up at the same height as me, just wear shoes that make you taller or shoe lifts. Makes you taller and cheaper and no pain.
amazing video! Will stryde damage the knee and cause permanent knee pain?
It won't damage it permanently but it will hurt and ache for up to 1.5-2yrs possibly but not always. This is after you get the hardware out. After that you will be fine if rehab and recovered well. Thanks!
Cyborg 4 Life thanks for your reply!
After lengthening... When you could walk yourself as normally... And when you could start playing sports or hard activities???
8-12 months
Excellent video thank you sooo much
Glad it was helpful!
Quanto à anestesia, posso escolher? Entre peridural e geral? qual é a mais indicada
em casos de alongamento?
Hi Cyborg, i have just done my surgery on my femur and tibia at the same time with the pricise 2 system. If it is correct i am the first one how had both lengthening at the same time with the Pricise 2 system worldwide. Will keep you updated about the results. Cheers
Wow congratulations! Yes you are definitely one of the first that I know of to have done it at the same time with an internal. I'm glad it worked out. Please do again and keep me updated. Wish you the best on your LL journey and recovery!
@@Cyborg4Life Hi Cyborg, I have reached 3 cm extension today. Unfortunately I feel still the pain of the surgery after 15 days. Even with 3 times PT every week i still suffer from some muscle pain. Nevertheless its a huge satisfaction to see the extension on the femur and tibur in such a short time of period. The only big disadvantage is not to be able to walk a lot. I feel the pain on my lower knee area and after all PT session I have pain like hell.... Keep you updated
@@liamcelik4212 Ah yes, the lack of being able to walk alot is annoying. I am interested in hearing about your progress. The pain should fade soon. Yes please do keep me posted
how much the both surgery?!
and where?! because im planning too.. but not now.. im here in Malta.. i search about it.. turkey and serbia nowadays the cheaper.
Great video brother, how long does it take normally for a femur lengthening to heal ?
Well a typical 5cm femur lengthening takes roughly 2 months to lengthen and about another 6 weeks to heal. So from surgery day you're probably looking at 3 to maybe 4 months max.
Whereas 5cm on a tibia will take near 3 months to lengthen and 2 to maybe 3 months to heal so 5 months maybe 6 for slow healers.
Thus femurs are faster but of course all of this depends on how fast the patient heals
@@Cyborg4Life appreciate your rely man, do you mean you can walk and run normally after only 3-4 months?
@@sf6695 I would say yes, you could definitely walk by that time, actual running would probably be another month or so. So within 5 months from surgery day you can run. Sprinting may take a tad longer to be safe
@@whatyouseewhatyouget3021 You can do it later on after healing like maybe 8 months you can lift heavier. But the upper body can be trained after first month by using machines only
I suggest you lengthing both femurs 🦴 bigger bones and faster recovery. The Tibulars way smaller bones longer recovery
If I was to get surgery to correct my bowleggedness would that make me taller and by how much
So I'm guessing its twice the price when they do both the femur and tibias?
Almost. I know most surgeons will offer a package deal, if you get both done with them, at a slightly cheaper price. But still outrageous an outrageous cost
Cyborg 4 Life I’m 5’7. I’m willing to do it once I’ve saved and worked hard. It’s outrageous but in a society we live in being tall can open opportunities for me. Acting and modelling. You either complain and sob, or grind and have your vision come true
How will the balance of the body be? why won't a body be too big for the size of the foot after a 10cm Limb Lengthening ?
It is usually okay within safe lengthening methods
Very informative.Thanks.I would just like to know of weight will be a problem before getting the surgery and after the surgery?
Hey Sepo, so I'm guessing you mean if body weight would affect the healing process?
As for anesthesia, can I choose? Between epidural and general? and which is the most suitable in cases of stretching?
Most do general for LL
I am into body building and I want to know how this procedure can influence my future in the sport, my deadlifting, and if when I will be older 60+ I would be cripple faster
Yeah it can affect you and it can make things harder in long run if you Lengthen too much
@@Cyborg4Life I want to lengthen 4, max 5 centimeters
@@Cyborg4Life and I am considering the femur lengthening
You should be fine then and not much of an effect at all
@@Cyborg4Life I want it to get it for both legs. Purely aestethic. I have three fears. Getting to sleep in the operation, the idea of the tool malfunctioning inside my bone and the third the risk of getting crippled.
What are the effects on say athleticisim? You would think lengthening femurs would make more of an impact on your running speed, compared to tibia.
3 things could happen: You get your athletic ability back as normal, you get better athletic abilities because of the longer legs, or you’ll be slightly worse than you were before you got the surgery.
Thighs are 10 cm longer than calves I want to grow about 5cm, but where should I do it? I want to do thighs because thighs are better for recovering athletic performance than calves.
And to think I was SEVERLY RIDICULED for being tall all my life.
lol nice
Hey,Can u suggest me ,which doctor in India would be the best one?
I had this surgery done to my femur and although I was only able to get the 2 out 4 inches that I needed out of it. Doctors will go over 4 inches if absolutely necessary but they won't do it all in 1 surgery.
Oh wow that's really interesting. I know they don't want to do a full 4inches in one segment for a discrepancy that large. Hopefully they get it done safely. Wish you the best!
Hello, with which nail are you lengthening? I had my surgery last november with Dr. Betz in Germany and now I'm over 8cm, aiming for 10 (4 inches), and until now without complications.
I would be so mad if I payed 100k for 4 inches and only got 2
@@sergiodtr I used the external fixator to lengthen. I had to manually lengthen my own leg basically. There is internal bar inside your femur bone and then an external device connected through pin sites when you would insert a Allen wrench to lengthen it daily.
@@bloopy6166 Medicine is nit an exact science you don't really know what's going to happen or if it'll even work. I was lucky I got 2 inches from it
If you’re aiming for 3 inches but want to keep the original ratio of femur to tibia balanced, is it a good idea to do 2 inches for the femurs and 1 for the tibias? That way, getting all 3 inches on femur doesn’t cause disproportions or is noticeable?
I’m not exactly sure of the proportion ratio to maintain it post LL but I think it would vary a bit depending on what you currently have but usually yes the femurs are about 15-20% longer than tibias
In how much time would i be able to walk normally?
Depends on what type you get done but typically 6-8 months normally but 4 to 5 months with a bit of a waddle
Why would you recommend doing PRECISE over LON for the femurs?
Less chance of infection and less pain and more ROM
@@Cyborg4Life is it okay to leave the nails in the femur? I saw you say it could decrease flexibility, but I don’t understand how
hey cyborg,thanks to your video!According to your video,fumur 8cm,tibia 5cm, BUT why Dr. Lee has a large number of Lon tibia cases between 5-7cm? (with 0% complications)🤔I look forward to hearing from you!
Yeah he monitors very closely allowing some rare cases to get more than the average. But for most patients only 5cm tibias and max 8cm femurs is likely to be achieved safely
@@Cyborg4Life Thanks!It helps me a lot~
I just know I am shorter than I was meant to be. My femurs I think, seem short. By like two inches at least. 16 to 20 is normal. Mine seem 14 or 15. I am checking into this. My shins seem longer- ish. A Taylor told me the other day. That my legs where short. I had no idea?!. I was athletic but not a fast sprinter. My vertical jumps where always low. I know because I tried to improve them. For my hight.
lot of women have completely disproportionate leg heights, their legs are way too long compared to the top body. If you put them to a man they have the top body of a 5.4' man n and the legs or 6'2 man
Can I ask you who your surgeon is?
Dr. Janet Conway
Wait why would the doctor recommend you lengthen your femur when the tibia on one leg was shorter?
She said because it's the easier bone to do - for recovery and just overall surgical approach plus I had a deformity from the original break so my tibia wasn't perfectly straight and finally not all of the discrepancy was in the tibia - most of it was though
Hi there, Cyborg 4 Life :) I'm 5'1 and would like to gain 7 inches or about 18 cm in height; Is that a safe amount? Also, I'm 17 (almost 18) at the moment and plan on saving $90,000 over the course of 3 years to undergo this procedure. If I did stockpile about $90,000, could I conceivably get a loan for the rest of the total cost or are there financing options; For insatnce, a fixed monthly payment I could make instead of paying in full up front? Keep in mind that I've yet to establish credit, but I plan to establish a fair amount of credit over the years that I'll be putting away money. Also, safety and price wise, is there a certain surgeon or surgeons you recommend to have the procedure done with? Thank you very much for all the info by the way! I'm very set on having this procedure done.
I assume that if you're completely done growing and are able to get the $90k you mentioned getting a small loan to help cover the remainder shouldn't be an issue. At that price point of 90k + loan you'd be able to select from the most experienced surgeons for an excellent turnout! Now 7 inches is quite a bit in just 2 lengthenings it may require than that. But I'd say you could get near 3inches on the first go and then a year or two later you could have saved up and go for more length. It is difficult to say without knowing all factors but more than one surgery would be required
It’s funny my body already looks funny from my knee to my calf is way to long compared to my thighs and my arms are 75 inch reach yet I’m 5ft 11.5
I fractured my fibula twice as a child (at 5 and 10), would it be a bad idea to lengthen my tibia because of those injuries
Probably would be okay so long as it's healed well and not deformed. I fractured my tibia and had to get LL done. There was a malunion but my surgeon was able to be careful - surgery day just took a bit longer than most
Hi, just want to ask about if I want to do both femur and tibia(only 7cm in total), will the price be double?
Can i do this both ? Femur and tibia?
Technically yes, most start with just the femur to see if it is enough
@@Cyborg4Life thank you for the reply well i guess it will took longer if i do noth wish me luck.
Is limb lengthening surgery safe(in future)????
Yes and it's going to get safer I believe
This surgery is very exensive and when you will decide to done it you should lengthen 5 cm minimum each segment
At least the fémur surgery is cheaper in Turkey, you'll get 3 inches safely with a professional doctor, this type of surgery became popular there
@@mlytaher4591 how much in turkey?
is it possible to do both Femur or Tibia at the same time??
Do you have a link to the paper that lists the relative proportions of different body parts, screenshoted at 2:00 ?
I do somewhere. Um if you check the description of the first proportions video you might find it there. If not let me know and I’ll find it online again
Is a diabetic safe to go thru this procedure
You’ll have to speak to your surgeon specifically about that however, other orthopedic surgeons have mentioned as long as it’s under control it shouldn’t be a huge issue however, you still need to speak to your doctor
I will take femur to gain 3.5 inchs .. i am 5'7" and i would like 5'10" or 5'11" is it good ?? How much mony i would need
You could lengthen the femurs 3inches to get to 5'10 and it depends where you get it done. If in America it will be expensive: near $100k. Elsewhere depends but need to make sure you have an experienced surgeon
@@Cyborg4Life what is the best method of this operation i think elizarof what about you ? And also is it safe to continue your life like usual and easy ? Think you
@@ruok2ff170 Stryde internal nail is best because it is not bulky and you can weight bear easier and go on with life sooner
Cyborg 4 Life you can do in Germany with precise styde bro. They do 35,000 each femur and tibia so around 60,000.
I’m 5’7. I’m willing to do it once I’ve saved and worked hard. It’s outrageous but in a society we live in being tall can open opportunities for me. Acting and modelling. You either complain and sob, or grind and have your vision come true
At the end I’ll be around 6’1/2!
@@MRSTYL-cc6sl I'm living in Turkey but I'm not Turkish I'm 33 years and I 171cm or 5.7 could I reach 180 cm with one surgery ?
Keep in mind there is a clinic in Turkey help you reach 10 to 12cm in one go !
Would only lengthening your tibias make squatting easier in comparison to someone that's the same as you in every aspect except having a higher femur to tibia ratio?
Possibly but not necessarily as you'd still have to sink deeper into the hole to attain depth
@@Cyborg4Life Thanks for replying. What implications would it have on the biomechanics of an individual's running and jumping? I have no idea, I'm just curious.
Can you get both bones lenghted at the same time (by 1.5 inches each)
Is it true you have to have that nail inside your leg after surgery for the lengthening process for about a year ?
Yeah at least 1 year to fully support bone healing and support. Then you get it out
after how many years you got 98% recovery
if you had LL on ur Tibia then ur knees would be at different heights - would not this lead to Knee problems?
It could if it's a big difference and you do a lot of heavy squatting and leg pressing but not from walking or jogging
I broke my femer had to have surgery still can't walk very far r with out walker its been 8mo still lot pain .how long does it take? I feel like my Leg is little shorter now.
Hmm that's not good. Sounds like what happened to me a deformity that led to a discrepancy. Who's your surgeon? Seems you may need another correction
What if you have short arms?
Ahhh yeah then that could potentially throw off your proportions slightly but if you do just 3inches it may not be super noticeable any more and maybe
@@Cyborg4Life can you do surgery on your arms?
@@bunnyhaghjoo7920 yes it's possible
What about both randomly @cyborg4life
Amazing what people will do just to be my height, it seems insane.
Hi, I just want a conservative, proportional and safe increase in height, the money and pain do not matter to me
What do you think of 4cm in femurs and 3cm in tibias
That is very conservative and should be safe yes
I was a question..femur or tibea. Which proces is best for leg ..and how long to femur and tibea.which is good ..pls tell bro..I am bangladeshi..
Femur is best and internal nail in my opinion
@@Cyborg4Life can i grow 8 cm in femur if i do?
Do you have any chronic pain or athritis
No
Hello:)
I wanted to ask. Is it bad that femur is longer than tibia and how it looks with flexibility and movement? And cna you recommend a good doctor. Thnx
No the femur is supposed to be longer than the tibia. There are several good doctors which I've interviewed and more I plan to discover so you can review them and see which one suits you best based on finance, location and personality
@@Cyborg4Life thank you
which is safe, recovery fast precise 2 or LON method
Precise 2 but it's very expensive
Does it matter what age your at to recover quickly? Like if im 35 but in good shape 5'4 1/2.
You should be fine at that age and if you're in good shape you'll heal perfectly with enough patience and effort
just this question can you do both bones at the same time? xd by both I mean both leg bones
Yes technically you can but it is not recommended
@@Cyborg4Life Why isn’t it recommended bro? Is it too much pain and then recovery to be had all at once?
Hey enjoy the content in the videos! I’m just curious did you have both legs done and ik you touched on this on other ideas but as far as going to 6 inches of extra height of and bodybuilding go, what’s your perspective on that? As in, with that extra height would exercising be more difficult?
Hey thanks for the support of the content. No I just had one leg done for surgery-tibia. So 6 inches of height or 6cm? I know for a fact that 6 inches would be extreme for even regaining a normal jog let alone working out. 5inches over 2 surgeries is a push but more reasonable. Now 6cm of height say in the femurs, that would ensure you could make a near full recovery at sports and resume bodybuilding perfectly well. I had nearly 4cm done on the tibia and the knee pain faded almost completely after 2-2.5 years. I regained my ROM by 1.5yrs and was say "perfect" by 3 years. This would be nearly equivalent to 6cm on the femur and thus you should have no issue exercising with that amount of height gain. The equilibrium and center of gravity adaptation for cosmetic limb lengthening patients takes about 6months if you are dedicated to therapy and a rebuilding program like (the one me and a LL doctor will be developing later this year- shameless plug lol). But yeah man, you'll be fine IF you meant 6cm, if 6inches I can't comment as that's well out of range for prediction. Hope this helps
Cyborg 4 Life hey thanks for getting back to me! See I was thinking 6 inches actually but if it’s going to compromise my ability to continue in my athletics significantly beyond the recovery period then I’d rather not risk it. I was just curious as to the whole process and what could be accomplished and how risky it would be with that increase in height.
@@AdastraDreamZ96 Ah okay yeah then you're better off not doing it as it is surgery and that will always carry a risk. Perhaps in the future when the technology becomes futuristic and no chances of compromising function lol
Cyborg 4 Life gotcha, well hey man I appreciate the comments and your input, keep killing it on the channel!
Greetings! Does the femur not look out of preparation to the tibia after 8-9cm added to it? Would it look noticeable? Or are the patients happy with how it looks 🤔
Hard to say but really depends on current proportions
Here’s my takeaway: femurs are easier and will probably heal faster, but lengthening tibs/fibs looks much better from an aesthetic perspective, especially with shorts
@mr.d1796 I chose quadiatural. I'm 7cm in so far
@@MrRobertomendola try to max out your tibs/fibs if it’s still possible. That is the classic tall guy look
@mr.d1796 My goal if 5cm tibs and 8cm Femur. But my hamstrings are super tight
Would it be possible to lengthen both the tibia and the femur in the same surgery??
No not the exact same surgery. They should space it out a bit further as in weeks apart
My tibia is longer than femur. Is that because I love to run?
No most likely it’s genetic
that's rare. femurs are longer
Hey, great vid btw. Just wanted to get your opinion. I am 182cm tall (5'11.8 or almost 6ft) and i have a 22 inch torso wich is really big.I know that i have the legs of a 5'7 person but my femurs are proprtional to my torso and arms wich are 6'3 so my thighs are way shorter than my femurs. If i can take 8 cm i'll take them but i would probably need 12/13 cm to have a good femur/thigh ratio. Also btw i'm 16 so is there a minimum age for the surgery
When you say thigh do you mean tibia? If so you won't want to go over 3-5cm to ensure a full recovery but it will also fix your proportion. You probably should wait until you're done growing at like early twenties or confirm with surgeon first as that will ensure your growth plates have fused closed and it would make more sense
@@Cyborg4Life No when i say thigh i mean my femur. My femur(upper leg) is shorter than my tibia(lower leg) by a good 5 cm but normally it's the opposite, the femur is longer than the tibia. 5 cm on the femur would just make it the same size as my tibia
@@krakklover Ok in your first comment you said femur/thigh ratio which is the same thing but I assume you meant tibias? But if femur is shorter yeah if you lengthen it you will definitely fix your proportions at least up to 5-7cm femurs
@@Cyborg4Life oh my bad, but yeah thanks so max 7 cm got it. I wanted it to be balanced since i have a 22 inch torso wich is pretty large for my height
Iam 20 and iam like 5,6-5,7 I used two work out super hard in high school to where I was leg pressing 315 for 10 reps and my max bench being 215 at 15 I would like to know if I get this procedure can I still work out crazy hard like I used to. I am super flexible as well being able to touch the ground with my knuckles when bending over I would like to know how much height I could add and if I would have to lose mass to make sure my excess upper body would make the pressure of my legs look werid also I think I have big calves for someone who is 5,7.
You are super flexible great! You would still get tight if you lengthen more than 5-6cm but I can say you will recover faster than most because of the shape you're in. For someone who is an athlete like you I would say being around 5-6cm to avoid having a hard uphill battle to recovery and that means you would be closer to 5'9 or so. I think it will be a big increase and then you can add your muscle mass back
Ok thank you i was only thinking 5,9 5,9.5 to reach. I also have one last question I have big shoulders and my biceps are 15 inches just for an example of my arms at 5,6-5,7 do you think I would look funny or dispositionanl.
Giovanni Dubon not really no although you can always add more size to muscles later to fix it
8 cm is possible in one surgery? Increasing 8 cm is safe after life
Yes it's possible. Some say it could be safe but you have to check with the doctor over the lengthening
@@Cyborg4Life ok
I saw one of your recent videos on this subject and you said to avoid LON on femur; I’m 5’9.25 and want to achieve 6 foot I am leaning towards LON tibia but in this video you said no more then 5cm I’ve seen online the clinics will do 7-8cm for Tibia and 8-9cm for femur. Is 7-8cm safe for Tibia LON?
Yeah don't do LON femur if you can help it. And don't do 7-8cm tibia even if LON. Just risking a lot. 5cm is a lot and you'll be very happy with that on tibia and max of 8cm on femur even 6cm on femur is satisfactory for many
@@Cyborg4Life so I know you had the other doctor on with you regarding LON overview but muscle tissue and strength of muscle is the reason to avoid it on Femur? Would the tissue not have same affect as internal devices when in comparison to LON on femur? Ideally I’d wanna do femur but leaning towards LON due to price so would doing the 6-8 cm on femur with LON be bad
@@colehedrick1505 Yeah it's mainly the muscle issue for LON femurs. It's more painful and more skin infections too
@@Cyborg4Life why not do LON for femur vs Precise for Femur
Does this surgery happen in both legs?
Depends if you need it for a discrepancy fix or just to get taller
if you break the tibia you're also breaking the fibia.. does the fibia heal ?
Yes it heals along with tibia
@Cyborg4Life that's amazing how is it stabilized? do they put nails into the fibia like they put nails in the tibia
My tibia to femur ratio is 1.1, I'm 6' tall, and my wingspan is 6'3.2", so if my femur got lengthened by 7.5-8 cm all my proportions would be in the perfect zone. Is proportions normalization a reason for doctors to accept my choice to undergo limb lengthening?
Yes it could technically improve your proportions but that's not the reason doctors would lengthen you. It would be because you're unhappy with your height a lot
Which one is more painful tibia or femur
Tibia usually but depends on the person