The fact that God doesn’t need me or anyone , but still chose to die so I can be with Him is enough for me to give me my life to Him. There’s no greater love than that
Wilbert Lek What’s good brother. I just wanted to spread a lil truth and love. We as human beings have something called a sinful nature, which means we find pleasure in doing things that are disobedient to God. And getting into Heaven isn’t about if you’re a good or bad person, but it’s whether if you have trusted in Jesus to cleanse you from your sins. Jesus died on the cross and rose again on the third day to pay the payment we owed God through eternal punishment in hell. You can’t be cleansed by your own works (helping out homeless, etc), it’s good to be a good person, but it doesn’t save you from hell. There is no other way into Heaven than by asking Jesus for mercy and forgiveness. Only by Jesus Christ may you be forgiven and saved for eternity! Ask Him to forgive you of your sins and repent, and to give you a relationship with Him. He loves you way more than you can imagine and He wants to be reconciled with you!! Much love ❤️
How many times I heard from atheists "I'd rather go to hell than spend eternity with your God". How good is God, that he will not force anyone into heaven.
g513 Loving God is in understanding the sacrifice he made in sending his only begotten Son to live as a man, suffer and die for the forgiveness of our sins.Followers of Jesus Christ love God because he first loved. 1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us. Psalms 9:7-8 "But the LORD shall endure for ever: he hath prepared his throne for judgment. And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness." John 3:16-17 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
I struggle with the concept of hell as well. As a father, there is nothing that my child could do which I would condemn them to hell for eternity. The idea of using a scare tactic such as hell as a way to attract people to christ is hard for me to grasp. It's a struggle I'm having with my faith and this video was of no help.
Agree, I've been a Christian my whole life and only the last couple years I've really struggled with this. To me even the "worst" humans are usually (not always) the product of the environment or the circumstances they grew up with. And if I was born in Qatar and my Mother, Father, Grandparents, Brothers, Sisters, Cousins, Friends etc. all told me Islam is the right religion and I lived my whole life thinking I loved God and He loved me as a Muslim and I did right by people and tried to spread positivity in the world. Why should I be subjected to eternal punishment? It just doesn't seem right. And I can't believe God who loves us so much would subject someone to that and go through the trouble of still creating them if He knew that was going to happen. God is all knowing so he also knows the limitations of the human brain, he knows where we are going to fall short in our lives before we ever draw a breath so I refuse to believe he would continue to create people just to send them to Hell.
The problem here is your assumption that those in hell are God's children. But they are not. Look at Jesus's words in John 8 in speaking to the pharisees. He says of them "You are of your father, the devil." Only those who are of the Father's flock heqr His voice. And only those of the flock are His adopted sons and daughters. Those without Christ are of their father, the devil.
It's not a scare tactic. Hell is simply the abscence of GOD, what many people unfortunately want because they can't see His Goodness. He Gives them exactly that. And because He is everything Good, a place without Him is everything awful. So there you have it.
Pablo Tavares when I wanted to know more about God when I cried out and asked Him to let me know Him... He led me to His son Jesus, as Jesus said seek and you shall find. The wisdom I have since gained from trusting Him and His teachings has allowed me to overcome the struggles of my flesh, do I still get tempted??...yes of course I do and always will while in my flesh because it's corrupt but now I know how to deal with it. I know when I do my own will... I always fail to overcome my flesh, I fall every time leaving me with a heavy burden of guilt but now I realise my will has no power to overcome evil only Jesus will (His teachings) can. It's His will that has power and it has allowed me escape from the burden of my sins and now I feel free and truly fulfilled like nothing else in this world has ever brought me. Sin does bring us pleasure but it doesn't last long and the guilt stays around much longer than any pleasure we get from it...I wouldn't trade this for anything..it really is priceless. I will be praying for you but I know you will be guided like I was because you are seeking God with a open honest heart asking Him for mercy and God will answer.
Don't worry Pablo... there is no such thing as Sin. Behave like a honest and decent human being, you'll be fine in life. I wouldn't worry about after life either
Babeaba I think guilt is good evidence that sin is real, that right and wrong is real thing. We humans feel guilty about doing wrong... even when nobody is around when we do it, we still seem to know it's wrong even if it advances us and doesn't hurt others, we still feel wrong, like cheating on a exam for an example. Naturally we don't like to be told something is wrong, when we're doing it ourselves!! so that's why we deny sin exists but the minute someone does wrong to us or to the people we love, we suddenly act like it was absolutely wrong and that they've broken some standard and we expect them to feel bad about it, so we only seem to deny sin when we are responsible ourselves but not when others do it or if it's being done to us, which is very interesting. In my opinion nothing else better explains the feeling of guilt than sin... our guilt convicts us of our wrong without anyone ever telling us and we seem to always try to justify why we have done wrong, it's never "our fault" but always reasons for why have done it...we're just tired, stressed or upset, we never put going wrong down to ourselves. We don't ever want to admit this about ourselves and we rarely say to others when called out for it "I don't care, if I've done wrong" instead we list excuses for doing it but the interesting thing is when we do good, we put this fully down to ourselves, we don't make excuses for doing good... we attribute that solely to ourselves, nothing made us be good we just are but something always makes us do wrong.
@@ryancurwen-walker6076 God doesn't send people to an eternal like of fire, they send themselves when they sin. Nobody forces us to sin. On this earth when somebody commits a crime we Expect/Demand Justice and yet when we commit crimes against God and break his laws then somehow we think we should get away with it free and clear? No, that would not be Justice. We have all earned hell. I've sinned probably tens of thousands of times in my life and deserve the justice of hell. But Jesus loves me, and so he made a way for me to be forgiven. He loves you also and made a way for you also.
@@ryancurwen-walker6076 you need to do more research. Hell was not introduced by the Catholics. Hell is taught in the Bible. We have full Composites of the Bible before the Catholic Church even formed. 24 of the 27 books of the New Testament were recognized in 110 ad, the Catholic Church didn't form untill after 300 ad. Jesus came into my life and changed it! I believe in Jesus is not because I read a book. He is a real being. Saying that I don't believe in him is like meeting you face to face and then saying you don't exist. Even if I wanted to I couldn't. I know he is real. I have had contact with demons. I know they are very real, very strong, and very angry. The personal experiences I've had with God and Satan are not made up in book. I guarantee they are both very real! PS. The Rapture is also taught in the Bible. It is not something new. And most of the books of the New Testament can be documented/ authenticated within a hundred years of Jesus's death. Perhaps you should do some more research on how/when the Bible was written and by who.
@@ryancurwen-walker6076 Paul wrote nearly half of the New Testament not 2/3. We know for sure he wrote 12 books and he might have written 13. Jesus himself mentions hell as a place how forever torment, and since Jesus made hell I think he would know best. John also mentions it a lot in revelation. You're right about arguing from personal experience to strangers. If you knew me personally you would know I wouldn't lie about it, but you don't know me. Many people still teach that hell is Everlasting pain and torment because it is. That is what the Bible teaches. The rich man and the place of Torment, not hell yet, was in torment and pain and wanted to warn his brothers. You don't warn somebody not to come somewhere if it's not horrible. And that story does not say at the parable. It very well may be true story and that was from Jesus himself.
@@ryancurwen-walker6076 the gifts of the Bible, spiritual gifts like speaking in tongues and prophecy and discernment of spirits and gift of Prayer are not "out of fashion." They are just as valid today as they were when they were written. People are still given these gifts today as a spirit sees fit. I have discernment of spirits. That's how/why I had interaction with with demons. Just because some people ignore, change, or delete parts of the Bible doesn't mean they are not still 100% valid. The people that do this are wrong not the Bible. The Bible does not change, God does not change.
@@ryancurwen-walker6076 actually there are over 24,000 artifacts the prove the Bible is correct. They even found Sodom and Gomorrah in ashes. Many people have experienced demons, they are very real. And miracles happen all the time that are super natural and unexplained by science. Look in the medical field, there are hundreds of documented cases. I am not a Christian because I was born into it. In fact I rejected it for a long time so I could live in sin but then Jesus got my attention and gave me a super natural peace that is unexplainable. We have a ton of scientific evidence of a world wide flood and our population growth rate would be exactly where it is if it started with 8 people 4 thousand years ago. The Bible is the most historically accurate and historically reliable document that we have anywhere. In fact nothing in the Bible has ever been able to be proven wrong. I have done my research. I'm not blindly believing in a myth. The evidence is there if you look for it.
God IS holy. Yes. But simultaneously, GOD IS LOVE. 1 John 4:8. Why do we so often look at these aspects of God as being mutually exclusive? They are not. They are mutually inclusive. God IS holy. And, God IS love. 😃😃😃
George Foreman The Lord is righteous and set apart from everything else, which makes Him holy. Now God is the creator of the whole universe and is the moral standard of good. Since he is good, then he must be just as well, so he should judge you based off of your sin. However, God is love and knows that us humans all fall short of his standard because of our sin. So he sent his Son, Jesus to pay for the wages of our sin with his own life, then resurrecting from death. So if you and I believe in his Son, Jesus, we don't have to pay for our sins. Our sins are covered and we can live with a God in eternity. I don't believe what you say about God. If he was all of those things you said, then he wouldn't give you or any grace to be living right now. Or the grace to hear the Gospel of a Jesus Christ and have the option to accept salvation.
So to Frank, Hell is a place where people experience mild regret and then go on sinning for eternity? What about the weeping and gnashing of teeth and the fire and sulfur?
The rich man is a parable. Hell doesn't exist in that manner. The weeping and gnashing of teeth is not in hell. It is at judgement. When people die they go to sheoul and wait judgement. Hell in Hebrew is the grave. These people are waiting and when judgement comes thru will be cast into the lake of fire and cease to exist. They will not be tormented, they will be destroyed.
@@Mr_HaoLal it's not eternal. It's called the "Second Death" why would God keep ppl who have sinned in eternal torture? For the wages of sin is death. Ceasing to exist makes way more sense.
Scripture written is quite clear that hell is indeed everlasting. Yes, Scripture speaks of hell as “death” and “destruction” but defines these in terms of a place where “they will be tormented day and night forever and ever” (Revelation 20:10).
God is Holy. He cannot dwell in the presence of evil. When He warned Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, or else they will die, they disobeyed Him, and chose death. What must God now do? Must He go against His own word, and not pass judgement? His Name is Yahweh, meaning Unchangeable One. God also cannot not honour his word. If God says something, be sure it will come to pass. This causes the dilemma of Hell. God knew that it was SO bad, that He was willing to take on human form, die the worst imaginable death, after enduring absolute horrific torture and punishment, just so that you and I can escape Hell. Clearly, He takes sin absolutely serious, and knows without a shadow of a doubt from what horrors He is saving us from in Hell. But as Frank says, He will also not force anyone to worship Him. He did not create us in His image, and pre-configure us to be automatons. He gave us free will. We must choose. If we choose death, He will honour our choice. But then, He also does not send you to Hell. At the moment you were born, you were destined for Hell. Thank Adam and Eve for that, not God. He warned them. He wants and is willing to save ALL who call on Him. What God DID do was make a Way. Jesus, Who is THE Way, and THE Truth, and THE Life. NO ONE will see the Father except through Jesus Christ. To deny Christ, is to embrace Hell. There is NO OTHER WAY. All roads do NOT lead to Heaven, only ONE does, and HIS NAME is JESUS CHRIST.
So this tree had the power to doom all of humanity yet he...in his infinite wisdom put this tree there in the first place...a tree who's fruit gave you knowledge, so prior to that they didn't even have the knowledge to know what they were doing was wrong and to make matters worse....He....allowed a great deceiver who is greater and wiser than they are to roam the place and influence those beings who were cleary babe like and lower than him(the great deceiver)....and to top it all off....He in all his infinite wisdom figured that the only solution to this mess was to sacrifice himself....onto himself....be dead for a bit and come back to continue to reign as or with God yet somehow it was the greatest ever sacrifice?.....don't you see that you had to first pre suppose that all of this is true to believe this?!
think about what is love, I highly doubt that if you were god (yes ik that is not meant to work cause god is meant to be perfect, but just bear with me) you would follow the sort of path god did to love and relate with his creation Its a very wierd system when you think about it, even, god effectively sacrificed himself (jesus was fully god to so this is accurate) to himself to save his creation from himself after they exercised the free will that god gave them to do something that god didn't approve of because of the lying serpent that god created. It simple doesn't make sense if god is definitionally love making him either not all loving or deluded if hell is what it bibically is.... (yeah ik it doesn't sound nice)
@@dimensionexo. But this "Entity" didn't create hell, he's giving all of us 2 options, be with him, or without him. He loves you enough to NOT force you into Heaven. If you want to be separated from God, there won't be anything stopping you. Hell will be a place where people end up who doesn't want anything to do with God.. Like sick and wicked sadistic people who lived through times who will still reject God. God won't be involved there, so there will be no authority, nothing but chaos, anger, sadness, depression, evil, pain, suffering. Everyone will be for themselves. "But these all sounds so evil, how could this "Entity" create evil?" Well, He didn't. He only allows it. "How can a loving God allow evil?" Evil is a choice from freewill. So freewill is what makes evil a possibility. He gave the angels freewill and a lot turned against Him, so they chose to be casted out of Heaven and are now called these "vile wicked sadistic demons" like you mentioned, they weren't made by God to be that way, but God loved them enough to give them freewill, so they wouldn't just be programs doing what their programmed to do. Same with people. God loves us enough to give us freewill, and what we do with it is up to ourselves. Unfortunately if God completely removes evil, then we will have no freewill, and I appreciate that God made me a conscience being with freewill to choose what I want to do. And I choose to serve Him. And I hope you do too, you've really got nothing to lose if you serve Him. In fact, there's a lot to gain from it, so please consider it? And anyone else reading this also please consider it?
@@chucksnorre803 Never stated i didn't believe in a "Supreme Being" Oh I do : There are so many perspectives - So I gather as much Info as possible - Consolidate it : And come to a conclusion - No one really knows the true meaning for this experience:
"Thus says The Lord: Behold, the corrupt doctrines of the churches of men have crept into every corner; near and far, the doctrine of hell and eternal torment is embraced by the people. Yet I tell you the truth, this doctrine is a loathsome spot on every garment worn in the name of truth! A detestable wrinkle within the tapestry of My glory! A horrible interwoven thread by which those who call of themselves Christian pollute My name and mar My image before the people, propagating that which came forth from the mouth of the dragon! THIS DOCTRINE IS EVIL! And must be opposed by all who have received the love of the Truth. For I have indeed spoken to this generation, even as I have spoken in all times past. For I AM THE LORD, The Light in whom there is no darkness at all." ~ "Thus says The Lord: Little flock, how is it you say within yourselves the way of The Lord is not equal? How is it you feel as though upon this servant I have poured a bounty, yet you remain desolate? Beloved ones, by whose power were you called forth into existence? To whose joy were you created? By whose favor were you born into this world by way of water and blood? Therefore, again I say to you, who you choose is everything. For I do not withhold My love, yet on account of your flesh you do always step backward. Consider the woman who touched My robes and was made whole. Tell Me, how is it that she received and you do not? Was she so highly favored, that she should receive and you should not? Beloved, come close and walk beside Me, for you are indeed highly favored! And all who grab hold of Me shall surely share in all that is Mine. Little flock, My ways are equal, yet the ways of My people remain unequal. For I have indeed poured out My life for you, yet each one must decide how deeply they drink. Do you not see? My blessings are equal for all who receive of My blessings, and My grace sufficient for all who trust in Me. Thus among those who come to Me, one is not favored over another, nor is My love bestowed by measure. Rather it is you who receive by measure, resisting on account of all these deceitful weights, trust which remains altogether lacking. Therefore do not confuse My love with the calling I have purposed for another, nor compare the gifts of the Spirit with The Blessing. For those I have called to serve shall indeed be given gifts, each in accordance with their faith and My will. And those who receive the greater gifts shall also bear the greater burden, even in the heat of the Day. Therefore, again I say to you, The Lord’s ways are indeed equal, Yet the ways of men remain unequal... Yet those who grab hold of their First Love With all their heart, with all their mind, With all their strength and with all their soul, Shall never go hungry, nor shall they thirst anymore; Nor shall the heat of the noonday Sun do them any harm... Yea, even all their tears shall be wiped away In the house of The Lord."
@@dimensionexo. A person who God creates and blesses minute by minute, day in and day out should be more grateful and faithful to that God. They ought to give Him praise glory and honor instead of lying about Him and backstabbing and mistreating others.
I would rather God tell me on judgement day it didn't take all that, than to stand before a righteous and Holy God and He say I didn't do enough, depart from me!
@@GMNGChristian our good works do play an important part though. They don't cause our initial justification, but the Bible says time and time again that they're important for our lifelong sanctification.
@@maxxyboy1000 Sanctification isn't salvation. It's _because_ we're saved that we try to do good works, and those good works are sanctifying, but they don't save us. We're only saved by the grace of God alone, through faith alone in Christ alone. There is repentance in the life of someone who is saved, and good works throughout their life because they're saved. These are the result of salvation, not the cause of it. :)
@@GMNGChristian but sanctification is indeed part of our salvation. We are not saved through faith alone. Ephesians states it is through God's Grace that we have been saved. But, once we have that Grace it is our responsibility to allow it to sanctify us, and this is where we called to grow in faith and do good works. " *You were dead in your transgressions and sins in which you once lived following the age of this world, following the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the disobedient.* All of us once lived among them in the desires of our flesh, following the wishes of the flesh and the impulses, and we were by nature children of wrath, like the rest. *But God, who is rich in mercy, because of the great love he had for us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, brought us to life with Christ (by grace you have been saved),* raised us up with him, and seated us with him in the heavens in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. *For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you; it is the gift of God;* it is not from works, so no one may boast. *For we are his handiwork, created in Christ Jesus for the good works that God has prepared in advance, that we should live in them.* " - Ephesians 2:1-10 If you read the verse carefully, you'll see that we are indeed saved by God's Grace, but it's not "once-saved-always-saved". This is an initial justification which calls us to continue in righteousness and avoiding disobedience. We are saved by faith, but not faith alone. These verses help us understand the full picture of our justification. _"What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?" - James 2:14 _"See how _*_a person is justified by works and not by faith alone._*_ And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route? For just as a body without a spirit is dead, _*_so also faith without works is dead._*_ "_ - James 2:24-26 _“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,[a] but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.”_ - Matthew 7:21 _" _*_who will repay everyone according to his works: eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works,_*_ but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness. Yes, affliction and distress will come upon every human being who does evil, Jew first and then Greek. _*_But there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good,_*_ Jew first and then Greek."_ - Romans 2:6-10 Even if you're saying works are the result of our faith, that only clarifies the order in which these two things save us, but it doesn't dispute that both faith and works are necessary for our salvation. Hope this clarified! God bless :)
@@maxxyboy1000 You're talking about 'works righteousness'. James is referring to false faith - or dead faith - if someone claims to be something, but that claim isn't backed by behavior, then do they really believe what they claim? No. They just want others to think they do. Remember, people are _justified_ by works - their claim of faith is justified by works - but they're not _saved_ by their works. The work that saved people was Christ's work on the cross, by no other can someone be saved. We are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. Matthew is also referring to works righteousness (if you continue reading in chapter 7). The people wanting to get into Heaven and who affirm God, calling Him "Lord, Lord", aare being turned aaway because they're relying on their works to get them into Heaven; prophesying, casting out demons, etc. But they will be turned away because works righteousness is lawlessness; their works cannot get them into Heaven, but only the work of Christ's sacrifice on the cross.
I have an analogy for this, its like "There's a party in the house and you refused invitation or decided not to get in the house" Now some people can be outside the house watching the party and blaming themselves, some are far from the house, they barely hear the music or see the lights and the rest too far to hear and see anything out in the dark.
@@braydynniewiadomski4006 please elaborate on what you mean by “Geez is to close to the Lords name” I’m confused, I’m not even trying to joke I’m seriously confused by your response
@@bjm6275The irony is that people have been duped for centuries into thinking that Heaven and Hell exist. Its all abstract. The two hypothetical places are continually mentioned or consequently preached just to give people a sense of hope that one day they will die and go to heaven and that if one commits a sin they would burn in hell. These stories are similar to children's bed time stories. There isn't truth on any of them.
Love the answer in this. It once again proves the love of the Lord and the chance we have been given. Nobody has to go to hell. We all have the chance to be saved
only if you believe or you die and burn for eternity. no matter how good a person they are. Babies all go to hell since they dont believe according to the bible
@@SmartAss4123 False. Babies all go to heaven, because there's a certain age for reason that you need to take account for And nobody is actually a good person. That's false as well. Everyone is a sinner, no exceptions. ONLY trough Jesus a person can be saved. A person can't save himself by trying to be a good person.
@@TheAlex3712 Theres a certain age for reason? Its so conveinent for religious people to keep making more stuff up. Okay I'm the revived prophet of almighty Cthulu from the dead. He ONLY spoke to me and says you must worship him because I wrote it down and I said so. Its true because I saw it and believe it in my heart. Prove me wrong.
@@SmartAss4123 Well, do you have any witnesses for that ? Did your god created everything ? Did he make at least sure to put everything he did in a book with (again) witnesses and people who follow him ? Is there at least some archeological finds for what happened before in his book ? Respond to these questions and I will know if you're wrong or not.
@Evangelist Kim Patrik That chapter is speaking about the Judgment Seat of Christ. That a judgment where believer/Christians will be judged & receive crowns according to their works/actions from the moment they accepted Christ as their personal Savior & forward. Sinners will not be there. They attend the Great White Throne judgment. Look up & study both tearms - The Judgment Seat of Christ - The Great White Throne judgment
No "we" dont. I didn't eat food I wasn't supposed to eat and get kicked out of a garden. I was born that's it and I had nothing to do with it therefore if your god is a just god then he would. not associate that crime with me because by definition I'm not guilty. But hey Christianity is a great way to make money and keep people under your thumb
@@SheikhN-bible-syndrome if you reject Christ as Lord and Savior , and die , you will end up in Hell, then the Lake of Fire , John 3: 16-18, Revelation 20,21.
@@berenc7619 so your born into sin you say. Well then do you think kids that die go to hell or free pass to heaven? Because you cant have it both ways. Also you do realize that if you didn't know how to read and no one else you know or have contact with could read that you probably wouldn't even know 90% of the stuff you believe to be true. And reading is a fairly new thing back in the day (before the 1700's and especially before the dark ages) people didn't all know how to read and that's why Christianity is in book form so that your priest/ pastor can be the one controlling the flow of knowledge and understanding
Thank GOD for you and your ministry and everyone in your organization . I pray that GOD keeps blessing you and blessing your cause I learn so much from you sir please keep working keep telling the truth and keep up the good fight GOD bless you Frank!!!👍
This is incredible . I love people questioning faith . The more people question the more my faith grows . Jesus I love you . I'm so sorry you had to suffer for my sins
@@thevulture5750 Let's say your child wants to donate their heart to you because your heart is failing because you're morbidly obese. Would you let it happen, would you let your child die so that you could live? Probably not? So why would you accept that an innocent person dies for you because they love you? But here's another question: What did Jesus sacrifice if he's now and forever the ruler of the universe?
This cannot be an acceptable answer. I find this question to be an excellent one and unfortunately it was not answered adequately. The outstanding question is how can people be tormented forever and ever if God is love? Whatever answer is given to this question must be able to overcome the question of the character of God and whether or not it is fair for this to happen.
Personally I think there's a misconception about how people end up in Hell. Yes, God is love. However a prerequisite for love is that it isn't forced. God doesn't force you love him. Hell is separation from God. So from that we can kind of extrapolate that God doesn't really 'send' anyone to hell. They chose Hell when they rejected God.
David, man, I really don't know how to answer some questions. Actually, the word "Hell" didn't even exist in the original language of bible! Did you know it? It did talk about a place where people who didn't accept Jesus went to, but it was not hell. It was introduced overtime, you can do a search on this by your own. But the thing is, it probably has degrees of rewarding and punishment, yes. And maybe some of em just cease to exist after paying what they got to pay, I don't know. But, don't worry, as a Christian, you're not FORCED to believe in hell the way other Christians do. And I realized that after I got into Christianity myself, I accepted Jesus as my only savior, I've been reading the Bible and slowly reshaping myself in Jesus's image. BUT I am still Norival, I'm still myself. I got opinions as everybody, and I decided to believe that people who didn't accept Jesus go to a place and pay for what they've done and then cease to exist. And maybe I'll change overtime and understand better the Bible, and that's it! You don"t need to believe in the way other Christians do, it's simple, believe in Jesus and you shall be saved. And that's it, you don't need to believe in this Hell some pastors say, or just swallow all the things they say it's true. You're still gonna be yourself man, don't be afraid man, and now as a Christian I can ask for God's help to understand my questions! I still got em
@@steves_garage that isn’t love at all, sending people to get tormented forever just for not following him and accepting him is pretty evil to me. Instead of creating hell he should’ve created a place where people go that don’t believe in him or follow him where you and hang out but without getting tortured for eternity. Nobody deserves to get tormented forever, not even the worst of the worst
I don't think either one of us is qualified to determine precisely what someone's eternal situation will be. I'll leave that to God. There's a lot of more to unpack there and a YT comment section isn't the place for it, and also I'm not a pastor. If you really want to know why Hell exists then you can find talks and sermons on that matter all over the place.
1 Timothy 4:10-God, Saviour of All Mankind, specially of believers ✨♥️ 1 Timothy 2:3-4-God, who wills that all be saved All that he desires, He does-Psalms 135:6
I think the reason he asked this question is that he is worried about his friend or relatives who have already passed away and did not believe in Jesus.
As much as I love Dr. Turek's teaching, I have to say that I am slightly dissapointed that he didn't address that Hell was not originally made for humans. The bible is clear that Hell was made for the Devil and his angels. Matt 25:41. Because God is love, He is also just. If He wasn't just, we'd all be in trouble. Because God is merciful, He judges. We as humans try and attempt to put God on our level of morality and we can't do that. We are not the law givers of what is right and true when we ourseles are sinners, depraved by nature. How dare we as humans attempt to hold God to a higher standard than what He holds us to. Look at it this way. I have three children at home. One is 2 and the other is 6 and the other is 16. If my two year old shows me attitude, or storms off crying in a fit of rage, I will treat her much differently than I would my 16 year old. Let say my 16 year old steals a car, my car, and gets caught by the police and my 6 year old steals a candy bar from the store. I will, as a parent deal with these two children and these two instances very differently vs treating each sin as the same. (Even tho God sees all sin as one in the same, but that's an argument for another time) My 16 year old knows better and my 6 year old may need to be reminded of what is right and what is wrong. Also, if my 6 year old or my 16 year old starts abusing my 2 year old, because of my love and mercy for her, I will "judge" my older two children because of their sinful and abusive attitude towards my 2 year old daughter. If I didn't deal with those other two, how could I as a parent be just if I don't mete out justice? Having said, that, God views ALL sin as one in the same. A transgressing of the law, His law will be met with punishment and wrath. The one attribute that is spoken about the most in the bible when it coems to God and His nature is not of His love, but of His Holiness. God has not only a right but a duty to mete out judgement and wrath as He sees fit. Luckily, He gave us Jesus and He took that judgement and that wrath for us at the Cross.
@@storba3860 I dont have an issue believing in the possibility of god. I just think we all have it wrong. The bible was a physical written collection of stories written and spoke about from people. Who then interpreted what they heard from supposed divine speeches from god or agents of god. That's entirely possible. But it's also a 2000 year old document collection from a humans writing that has been adapted and re-printed over the centuries. So that's one issue that it has been changed and we wouldnt even know it from the original texts. The other issue is god's paradox with hell, love, morality and immorality. And the issues within that itself. Now I could just be wrong, but it seems unlikely an all powerful, all loving god would intentionally create free will and people with the knowledge they might not know or believe he exists and then create an eternal punishment not because they were evil or sinful. But because they didnt just blindly accept one specific iteration of god to be christian.
why not make a seperate hell for naughty humans then? i under stand got wants NONE in hell but he created this ENTIRE system with these, from looking outside at "swarm bots" i almost feel we are not much diffrent in that regard. tho i do NOT think thats how the ULTIMATE CREATOR feels of us, it certainly seems the religions of this world sure DO!
Love the videos. One suggestion I have for you is to share the gospel to every one of those students. You could have said, "Where are you going if you die today? Do you want all your sins to be forgiven?" Then go on from there.
The torment will come from our deep regret for not believing that God would make a way for us to be saved. The torment will be realising that God ensured our salvation with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Knowing how many times we ignored this gospel and mocked believers. Knowing it is our decision that sent us to this torment and cut us off from the grace of God and eternity in Heaven.
God's "justice" is not the same as ours. We seek retribution. God desires RESTORATION. He has given man "free will", but God's love is greater. Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Lord!!!!
"For in Christ, the fullness of the Diety dwells in bodily form". The person Jesus Christ is God the Son himself incarnate. I personally find this the most amazing statement I have ever read. The Lord God himself became incarnate and took on human form just like us. Utterly Amazing!!!!!
God the son is not in the bible , but yes , Jesus is a form God is manifest in and through , his word made flesh , but hes not a trinity , at all , in any sense , not that this even makes sense , he said hes one , which he is , and why Jesus is shown to be every title you can give to God as well as the very name of those roles , Father , spirit , son , all bare the name Jesus , matt 28 19
There's a clip where he says something about the people in hell are there out of narcissism, rejecting God for themselves so Hell is where they go to be with themselves and without God forever. Not exactly " wise'' to call that punishment.
@@desmondbishop5808 But thats exactly what scripture calls it. "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”" Nowhere in scripture does it say that people go there of their own will or narccisism. It says God puts them there. You only hear of those other interpretations simply because the idea of God putting people in a place of eternal torture isn't loving.
@@guiden1954 very good point. One I have never seen answered very well from those that hold to ECT. What kind of justice is torture for trillions of years?
And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. Jude 1:22-23
There is no permanent suffering in hell because only eternal life is given to those who are saved the ones who are not are dead and no longer will exist
I already saw many short Q&A in your channel Dr.Frank...many of these people not seeking a truth about Jesus when they say some qurstion , they just want their own version of answer... I hope Holy Spirit touch their soul...
There are several major issues within the problem of Hell. The first is the definition of Hell. There are several words in the original languages of the Bible that are translated into the word Hell in English. A second issue is whether or not the existence of Hell is compatible with the existence of a just God. A third is whether or not Hell is compatible with God's mercy, especially as articulated in Christianity. An issue particular to Christianity is whether or not Hell is actually populated forever. If it is not, one must suppose that those populating Hell may eventually die, or that God will ultimately restore all immortal souls in the World to Come. This is known as the universal reconciliation doctrine. In some respects, the problem of Hell is similar to the problem of evil, assuming the suffering of Hell is caused by free will and something God could have prevented. The discussion regarding the problem of evil may thus also be of interest to the problem of Hell. The problem of Hell could be viewed as the worst and most intractable instance of the problem of evil.
i find it simple , everything good comes from God , hell is being seperated from God , thus , your reality is the polar opposite of his goodness in all ways , forever , and hell was made for satan and his angels it says , these people are following him there ... they were not supposed to go there , they choose from the beginning to follow him there .......i understand its horrific , but , we dont have to go .......we can follow Jesus , Jail is horrible but i dont have to break the law.
Seeing this video I have much applause for Dr. Turek. Only ONE THING I would have liked to see that didn't happen. He asked the questioner, "What is God's alternative?" and didn't let him answer. . One of the best ways of teaching someone who is reluctant to accept a given point of view is asking question and helping people find the answer rather than giving didactic answers. I would have liked to hear what the young man had to say and where his thought process would have lead him.
As a Christian and I believe in hell. From a human perspective, in answering your question. The logical answer I would give is annihilation. Yet I believe hell is eternal as the Bible says. Now I could be wrong because there's lots of ambiguity concernng the concept of hell. But many think that God actively forces the unrepentant, those not redeemed and in Christ to an eternal hell. Understanding is about having a proper perspective. I think it's highly plausable that God's not the active driver, the sinner is. The Bible teaches that God is holy, holy, holy. Every time someone like Isaiah sees God in a sinful state, they become unhinged. Maybe it's God's glory that drives them away i.e. the sinner runs from God. This makes more sense to me. God is love but he's holy too. Like a fire will drive one away. Those not clothed in Christ will run away on their own. God's driving them off but not actively, God's passive. Those that are in Christ aren't driven away, their drawn towards God. Heaven is being in Gods presense. Hell is running away from God and running into the darkness. As horrible as hell is for the sinner, it's better than being near God. Just a thought, I'm not dogmatic because I'm just not sure. I do know we'll understand much more because; For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully, just as I also have been fully known.
His alternative is to have not made it a rule that you go to hell forever if you sin. Believers act like hell MUST exist because god created it, but he’s all powerful right? He chose to make that rule when he could have created a universe where free will existed but people weren’t sent to hell
@@chrisklappich5998 hell is eternal punishment. hell is everything bad aka a seperation from God as God is everything good. he answered the question perfectly
When trying to understand God we should try and look at it in His perspective. Why would God gives us eternal salvation for trying to be just for so little time here on earth? Hope this helps. God bless you all
In Christianity, you end up where you ask to be placed. With choices come consequences. As for me, my greatest joy is to obey the Lord. He is my Lord and Savior. His commands are designed to protect and deliver me from sin, perdition, and abomination. I thank him for this with my devotion. Hell is only a problem for those who ask for it...
I strongly disagree that whoever is in Hell doesn't want to get out of there and still doesn't want to be with God. The fact that the 2 examples he mentioned they didn't ask God to get them out is because once you are in Hell, you instantly have the knowledge that you are not going to get out of there because they all know God only accepts repentance and forgives while you are still alive, once you die it's over. If you die a sinner and have rejected God then Satan has authority over you and that's the whole spiritual warfare between Heaven and Hell. Same as Satan can't claim someone who is in Heaven and draw him in Hell, the same God won't draw someone from Hell and take him to Heaven.
Hello guys. I am not sure if I have replied to some of you in the comment section here in this video, if I have, here is my apology. I know I have replied to many of your comments ridiculing ,even being rude to you guys and even talked condescendingly towards your views on hell. And also forcing my views on what hell is and whether eternal or not. I wanna apologise to all those whom I have replied and I am sorry for those whom I have offended, whether knowingly or unknowingly, and hope you guys can forgive me. Ben
This is a good explanation. I don't like the example of saying this person is going to be in torment regardless of their sin, because God will judge our eternal fate
Yeah, he loves people so much he decided to create a place where people suffer if they don't follow him. Man, religious people are so delusional it's not even funny.
(Revelations 14:11) "The smoke of their torment will rise forever and ever, and they will have no relief day or night, for they have worshiped the beast and his statue and have accepted the mark of his name"
That’s specifically talking about those who took the mark of the beast. This specific verse doesn’t explain what happened to those who rejected Christ and died not having turned to Christ in a time where the mark of the beast was not established.
@@danielespitia1776 First of all that verse doesn't just say all those who take the mark, it precedes to say all those who worship the Beast and its image and takes the mark. What do you think will happen to those who reject Christ then died even though they didn't take the mark of the beast? I would assume anyone who rejects Christ? John 10:48 Matthews 10:33? Kind of sounds like you're trying to find plot holes in God's plan? There are no plot holes in his plan
nickj14711 God says there is such a thing. Four thousand years or more ago, God spoke through the Hebrew prophet Isaiah to let us know, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. He sets the standard because He is perfectly righteous. It is his will that we have fallen short of. The church didn't make this up, human beings didn't make this up. That's evident in your own response, because no human being would say this about themselves if they didn't have to because their creator has already reviewed it in your own heart, in nature around us even in it's currently Fallen and temporarily Corrupted State, in the written word of the Bible, and then the Incarnate Word of Jesus, God In the Flesh, who came into the world at a specific time and place in history, verified by miracles seen by eyewitnesses both hostile and believing, written testimony of many of those eyewitnesses, that is the gospel writers and their friends who insist that they saw and heard and handled with their own eyes and ears what they report in the New Testament scriptures. They went to their death insisting that what they saw and heard from Jesus coming including the fact that he rose from the dead, was actually literally true. It's one thing to be deluded, it's another thing entirely to know that you're telling lies and yet be willing to Die For Those lies. Are you willing to die for a lie, Nick? I certainly am not. However, I believe the eyewitness testimony is credible and is better supported by more documentation then any other ancient writer or writings. One example that I just heard today: gospel writer Luke claims that Jesus said that the end time would come in the before the generation that was listening to him had passed away. You say, well it's been more than two thousand years and Jesus hasn't come back, and you would be correct. But look closer. Jesus said that the temple would be torn down and not one stone will be left upon another of the building itself. Just 40 years after he said this, Rome came in and destroyed the temple of the Jews by the actions of Roman general Titus. but Luke gospel rights in the present is though the temple were still standing. This is internal evidence that Luke's gospel is very near the time that it is writing about, certainly before the Romans destroyed the Jewish temple in 70 AD, since he gives no mention of it actually happening yet. So what Jesus said about the generation of his hearers not passing away before this happened what is accurate and correct.
nickj14711 you do realize that by heart the Bible means your moral Center not your blood pump? You asked is there any such thing as sin or is it just a made-up idea, and I answered the question exactly the way God answers the question in the scripture. He gets to decide what is true, not you. Please define for me what you mean by credible evidence since the evidence I gave you doesn't seem credible to you. How is the Bible been discredited, exactly? Why would you expect a supernatural being to be provable by natural, or scientific means? If there is no God is a really big if Nick. Are you really willing to bet your life that you are right? Especially when God has stepped into history and told mankind that he is the creator and will one day be their judge. Not only that, but that he came into his history as a man willing to die to pay the infinite penalty that no human being under judgment can ever pay, but that must be paid if the loving God is ever to be able to redeem any of us that he loves, including you if you are willing.
@Repel, this is a common misunderstanding that many have regading the word "Fear". . You "fear" authority, do you not? Just as you would "fear" a powerful storm, or the edge of a tall cliff with nothing to save you if you fell over it. . God is all-powerful, all-knowing, present everywhere....all that he is compared to us mere finite mortals causes us to "fear" him in the sense of awe and amazement for who and what he is and what he has done. . Imagine going on trial for murder in front of a judge who has the power to sentence you to death. Would you show him/her "fear" out of respect for their authority, or would you taunt him, call him names, dress slovenly, curse him, and ignore his instructions? I'm going to wager a 6 pack of suds you might act appropriately and "fear" the power that judge holds over you life. . Just so with God. If we're honest, we realize we are not good people....not by a long stretch. We spend at least 50% of our day and resources meeting our own needs and wants. We ignore the poor, the outcast, the weak, etc. We excuse it by saying, "Well, that's just the way things are and I 'deserve' to treat myself well because I'm so good." But are we really? How many of us have lusted, cheated, lied, been disrespectful, showed coldness to our parents, spouse, kids, etc. How many of us can drive down the road and not get irritated if no infuriated by how other people drive? If we are honest, we must admit we are not good people. Maybe we aren't as horrible as others, but does being "less bad than person X" make me "good?" . So God then is both powerful enough and fully justified and could condemn me eternally, and because of that I "fear" him. I am in awe of his power. I know the only reason I am not condemned is that he loved me enough to sacrifice his life to save me from my badness. . "Killing millions" is God's fault? But you don't believe in God! So then who did the killing? Humans. Are you prepared to believe in the goodness of humans....because, according to your worldview....there is no God...which means the humans you believe are "good" are the ones who actually killed millions. Isn't that an inherent contradiction?
Degrees of punishment don't make a lot of sense. After a trillion years of paper cuts you'll be in just as much as pain as the person burning alive for a million. After a while it all becomes relative unless there's some sort of end to it.
I will never be able to sincerely worship a God that sends people to hell, whether it’s a literal fire or a mental jail cell in eternal solitary confinement. The best they could get is my coerced obedience, but never true admiration, respect or love. There’s nothing that can change my mind about that.
✨ There are so many different beliefs,how can one choose ; One says that we are all one conscious and choose to have : A "Human Experience"just to see how it plays out : Another states that we are born human with a "Soul" that : Passes along with the body and based on "Grace"we go : To a reward,good or bad ✦
God's perfect law was "eye for eye, tooth for tooth", the punishment fit the crime. However the hellfire teaching proposes that ones bad deeds commited during a finite time on earth result in infinite punishment. In this instance the punishment exceeds the crime infinitely. This is why people cannot reconcile the two, not because they are trying to accuse God of being immoral, but because the very idea of hellfire contradicts God's own moral standards. Therefore God by his own standards looks cruel and not like a God of mercy. So people come to one of four conclusions: 1) Gods ways are higher than ours, but I'll blindly trust this premise I've been taught by my religious leaders and continue following because I trust him. This however goes against the reasoning of 1 Thessalonians 5:21, Ephesians 5:10, Romans 12:2 and Hebrews 5:14. God trains us to use our power of reason to distinguish right and wrong. He does not expect blind obedience. Matthew 15:14. His word completely equips us with what we need (2 Timothy 3:16,17). Don't let religious leaders gaslight you. 2) I don't want to suffer for all of eternity, so I'll serve God. But then this is not serving out of love, but out of fear of consequences (and not the respectful kind of fear). While first violating 1 John 4:18,19, this also inverses the premise of the book of Job. Satan's accusation against Job was that he only served God because of the Good things God gave him (Job 1:9,10) that his motivations were selfish, treating God like an intergalactic vending machine (like Karma). Oppositely, in this scenario these people are only serving God because of the things they don't want him to do to him, selfish motivations, not motivated by love. 3) I cannot reconcile how a God of love would do such a thing. This contradiction is too great. My faith is shipwrecked. I don't think this can be true anymore. Well "let us eat and drink for tomorrow we are to die". An understandable outcome. Matthew 15:14 has come true in their case. However Luke 17:1,2 predicted such things. 4) the "hellfire" teaching could have been misunderstood? And such a premise can lead you on the right path. Check the original language. There are 4 words. Hebrew Sheol and it's Greek equivalent Hades, where righteous people like Job (14:13) and Jacob (Genesis 37:37) were expecting to go, which is to be emptied according to Revelation 20:13,14 and then Gehenna along with its equivalent term in the Greek "the lake of fire" which means "the second death" (Revelation 20:14). Most Bible's conflate these terms under the single word "hell" which has just confused everything. Yes God knows Infinitely more than us and should be trusted. But he hasn't left us in the dark, he has explained everything we need. 1 John 2:24 though says that what we have heard "from the beginning" must remain in us. Not what we personally heard from our teachers this century no, but all of the things primary based in the Bible and nothing but the Bible. Not the 2000 years worth of traditions that have slowly developed and been added since, or erroneous thinking that has crept in, for we know exactly how Jesus felt about such things in his day (Mark 7:7,13). There are many things done, that are not found or commanded anywhere for Christians in the scriptures. "Holy water", incense, child christenings, Mary worship, prayer beeds, cross worship to name a few...
I don't have the full time to read everything that you said, but your perspective is flawed right from your premise. You commit thousands of sins every day. Every sin deserves the death sentence. Over the course of your lifetime, you will sin countless times, so you will receive countless death sentences. Each one lasting the life of a human. That's pretty damn close to Infinity by our reckoning. Now flip the script: waht have you done to deserve an eternity in heaven? Only the perfect and sinless can go there, so why would you be worthy of going there? You have countless sins on you. You don't deserve the kingdom of God. Not unless you're washed clean and released from sin through the blood of Jesus Christ. The problem with your premise is that you think hell was made to torment and punish, but you're wrong. Hell was made to place those who chose to live away from God. God is also good. The literal embodiment of good. Everything you have in you that is good comes from God, even your own so called morality. So when you go to hell, none of that good is in you, because God has left you alone as you requested. It doesn't matter if your sentence in hell was only a minute, it would still be enough time for you to continue to reject God and continue to sin against Him indefinitely, because you won't repent or regret. Both of those are good things and there is no longer any good in you. It doesn't matter how you want to slice it, whether you want to look at it literally, theoretically, legally, spiritually, or whatever else. Hell is where sinners deserve to go, and they're more than happy to be there. Nobody goes to heaven or hell except through their own conscious choices. You don't accidentally wind up in one or the other, you choose it.
@@NovusIgnis Countless death sentences is nowhere near close to infinity. The human brain cannot comprehend eternity. If someone committed 100 sins a day over their hundred-year life, and thus was condemned to endure 365 million years of torment in hell, you do realise that after 365 million years, you have not made it one single iota through an eternity?
@@Trueholycrapfish Actually, countless death sentences is close to infinity. Tell me, can you count infinity? I know I sure count. It's almost like countless is also infinite.
I think its impossible to say that such a "moral" being to allow someone to be punished forever without possiblity of getting out. You could imagine someone who just didn't believe but still lived a life of caring, selflessness and self sacrifice being sent to hell forever regretting of what he or she did. Why do they deserve eternal discontent. I dont even think Hitler as bad as he was deserves eternal discontent from everything because i dont see a act nor crime great enough to amount to such a sentence. I understand the millions that will never get their live back it is a tragedy but understand this. They only had to deal with it for so long and he forever will have to regardless of if he understood and turned away from his past. Would such a god still sadistically stand there knowing that they truly changed their heart.
This is exactly how I feel. How can a loving God allow anyone to be tormented for eternity? How is that loving? Even with Hitler yes. For eternity? For finite sins? Doesn't sound fair at all.
Hence why I think Universal Reconciliation theology needs to be looked at more carefully. The mere fact that "aionion kolasin" was interpreted to be "eternal torment", when it can easily be translated as "age-long discipline" is a VERY interesting fact. Not saying I think its 100% guaranteed to be true, but it makes way more sense to my human mind.
You presuppose there are caring, selfless, and self sacrificing people as you describe walking this earth. There arent though - at least not how you are describing it. You may believe that you "see" some people this way, but look at yourself. Whatever good we show people, there's a whole lot of stuff people dont see. We know on the inside we're still choosing bad things. And that's the problem. For anyone who goes to hell - you cannot love them more than God does. That is impossible.
He did answer the question even though I don't completely agree with it . When someone says to me I didn't answer their theological question(s) when I did , it means the person asking the question didn't like my answer (s), so is that the case with you about Frank?
@@berenc7619 people are looking for straight answer. Asking 5 questions back is just a mess. Throwing out metaphors just confuses people. He does everything he can to be vague because he knows a straight answer makes God look like a tyrant.
God doesn’t put anyone into hell. Quite the opposite. He tries to save us from the consequences of our own sins and even died for that. But if people still turn their backs on him, what else can he do? Atheists say that they would never want to be with our God. There you go. They are the ones that reject union with him. God doesn’t.
I often reflect on my sins and am wracked with sorrow and shame and it feels like a burning sensation. Imagine that one day you can no longer go to confess and apologize because youre dead. And its only darkness...NOTHING around. You cant go to sleep because youre dead , you cant get stone drunk because youre dead , you cant cry your heart out because youre dead , you cant die because youre dead.
You can explain it 100 times in 100 different ways and my little pea brain will never comprehend how a loving deity allows anyone to suffer in eternal torment. It's not really indicative to love, to me. I know many will argue that but I guess I look at my kids and no matter how much they would hurt me or even turn their backs on me completely, I could never allow them to exist for eternity in torment.
God tries to help them, he simply says "Come to me and I'll save you" the people say no so should God basically kidnap them and make them come to him against their will? free will is one of the greatest gifts he gave to humanity he wouldn't take that back from us
@@jenkinsljenkinssquire9137 heaven is being with God hell is being without God if you want to be with God, go to him and he will forgive your sins and let you be with him (which is heaven) if you don't want to be with God, he won't force you to be with him (which is hell) what other situations are you talking about?
@@gochiuto4416I understand freewill, but what if you made a mistake like accidentally signed your soul away to a demon that had been following you and pretending to be dead ancestors. I wish God could save me, my kids, and my family from this. I'm not a bad or evil person. In a loving caring person and have always helped people. I just got lured into the wrong beliefs and was gullible. I wish God could help me, I am marked by demons and have attachments. Our souls were stolen and we will be taken to hell for eternity. I know free will but I wish God or an angel can help when you use that free will and make a terrible mistake being gullible and following a wrong belief system.
@@Tene-xh9vl you cannot sign your soul away, it belongs to God, you can't give away something that doesn't belong to you. that's just a tactic demons use to trick you, if you think you can never go to heaven, you won't even try to go to heaven. there are things they can do that make you feel like your soul isn't God's, but it's just a trick and a lie
@@Malhaloc When a scripture doesn't make sense, it is a parable. When someone dies, they are dead. The dead know nothing. Besides that, if it were true as God, the other disciples would have testified the same parable. They did not.
@@eltonron1558 Jesus always states that it's a parable when he tells one. Are you saying that omission is the same as saying something didn't happen? Because of the 4 Gospels, only one mentioned an earthquake. Does that mean the others said there was none, or was there just information provided in the one testimony that wasn't provided in the others?
@@Malhaloc In the world of theology, there is an entity, known as, the harmony of the gospels. If more than one apostle, testifies of an incident or parable, it's likely to be a reliable occurrence. Jesus didn't state that the parable of salt and light was a parable, yet it is testified to in: Matthew 5:13-16 Mark 9:50 Luke 11:33-36 In fact, there are several parables, Jesus told, but didn't state, they were parables. In Luke 8:4 Luke mentioned the parable, not Jesus. The unmerciful servant, the good Samaritan, the rich fool, not Jesus, but Luke. Bottom line: Biblical scholars, and historians, do not look at parables, or testimony by only one apostle, as necessarily reliable, neither do I, since there are lots of biblical versions, and the context of the parables themselves. In the parable of Lazarus, and the rich man, it starts out bogus. The word, "hell", in the bible, is translated from Greek, Hebrew, and Latin. Most times, it means, the grave, a pit, or abyss. People who are dead in the grave are NOT, conscious, nor burning. If Mark, or John had testified of the parable, it would have alot more weight. My opinion is, that Luke was taking some license in the story, but, as with the other gospels, there is doubt that they were actually written by the apostles themselves. I like the RSV, and still consider the bible to be mostly, and somewhat the word of God, primarily because of the documented times, God spoke, and lots of people heard him. Like at the baptism of Jesus.
@@Malhaloc Yet the Gospels of Mark and John say Jesus ALWAYS taught in parables - and even at the Last Supper HE says HE was still speaking to them "figuratively" ....how can one explain the 'adult world of understanding' to a child ?? And furthermore, why did HE teach like this ..... wake up !
1 Timothy 4:10-God, Saviour of All Mankind, specially of believers ✨♥️ 1 Timothy 2:3-4-God, who wills that all be saved All that he desires, He does-Psalms 135:6
People say it's unfair for a loving God to send people to hell forever. The statement implies that love means God should just tolerate someone's unrepentant sin. Why should He? Especially since He's given us a way out? Here's an illustration of how repugnant our sin is to God. Imagine your spouse. You love them. Now imagine they don't shower, wipe their butt, brush their teeth, change their menstrual pad when they have their period or change their clothes for 6 months. You beg them to take a shower and clean up. They continually refuse. But you still love them. But because of their stench you can't be near them. But you still love them. What do you do eventually? You get a divorce and kick them out. You never stop loving them but they've become so disgusting and repulsive to you that you can no longer be around them. Same thing with God and unrepentant unsaved people. He continually asks us to clean up and He provides the means to do so and we continually refuse. So eventually he kicks us out. It's our fault and not seeing that is proof of how arrogant we are. It's crazy for your spouse, after not showering for six months to still expect you to make love to them. But they do. As we expect God to just let us into Heaven covered with a lifetime worth of filth. This illustrates how clueless we are to really how filthy we actually are. We think we're clean. And anyone that says otherwise is nuts. Ok maybe we admit we're a little dirty but that's it. It shows how unaware we are of our own filth. We're so used to it it's become normal. And there in, as the Bard would say, lies the rub. Also, to people who think the unsaved don't deserve eternal punishment in hell and that it's excessive because they haven't been that bad. Using that same logic, do you honestly believe you've been that good that you deserve eternal paradise in Heaven? Think about it. Eternal forever never ending paradise. You think you've lived that goodxa life to deserve that? There's only 2 choices after you die. With God or without. With God is Heaven, without is hell. Heaven is God's home. So His rules apply. If I went to your house and immediately went into the fridge, went upstairs into your medicine cabinet and slept in your bed and wore your clothes you'd consider that disrespectful and probably throw me out. But that's what we do to God and call Him unfair for throwing us out. We expect Him to just put up with it. He won't and shouldn't have to just like we wouldn't and shouldn't have to deal with the filthy spouse. We ask more of God than we're willing to do fore one another here on Earth. And if God let everyone into Heaven with their sin, wouldn't Heaven become just like Earth? Who wants that?
"How could a good God send people to Hell?" Me:Those who go to Hell chose it. That is the logical and just consequence of wrong choices. Hell is no different when a person who drink poison and got stomach ache and a person who bleed after intentionally stabbing himself.
An omnibenovelent and omniscient god creating hell and creating being to go to that hell for suffering is a contradiction. He can't be both omniscient and omni benovelent yet create hell to torment his creations.
@@shadowstrider5033 there is no contradiction there. Hell is the logical and natural consequence of separating oneself with God. The only logical choice is either to be with God or to be without God.
@@stephencastro4723 The contradiction is in the fact that god is supposedly omniscient and omni benevolent yet creates being with evil that will be tortured in hellfire for eternity and in life those evil beings will cause harm to his other creations. Doesn't sound like a benevolent god to me. Sound like someone that enjoys watching his creations suffer.
@@shadowstrider5033 there is no contradiction in that. Evil only exist as a product of the wrong use of free will. Logic dictates that every choice has their consequence. Good choices produce good results while bad choices produce bad results.
@@shadowstrider5033 you don't blame others for the consequences of your wrong actions. The same goes with God. You cannot blame him for suffering the consequences of your wrong doings. Hell is just THE LOGICAL AND JUST CONSEQUENCE OF FREE CHOICE OF DOING WRONG/EVIL.
I think often people struggle with God giving hell as punishment for not putting faith in him and as result feel the need for a second chance to realize it isn’t what they want. Well, people tend to treat the gospel this way; they shrug it off and they show their rejection through delay, by delaying the decision to commit to Jesus Christ - but it is rejection none the less. The Bible tells us to come to Jesus in repentance and faith today: Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation (2 Corinthians 6:2). It is foolish to trust in a convenient time to repent and believe. The claims of Jesus are never convenient for us. If we insist on waiting for a convenient time, we will wait for an eternity - an eternity spent in agonizing separation from God. God is giving so many chances each and every day with sufficient evidence. The time to change is now, it isn’t too late yet.
exactly, plain truth there... and final judgement is destruction of wicked. All this hell teaching came from pagan roots, and look how they try hard to explain Gods love in one hand while holding eternal torment in another... What a sadness
@@Malhaloc It is the lake of fire, the fire that consumes. Fire that turns to ashes. Wages for sin given - death, nothingness, destruction. Genesis 3:19 "By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return." Job 34:14 "If He were to set His heart to it and withdraw His Spirit and breath, all flesh would perish together and mankind would return to the dust" In lake of fire, wages for sin will be given - second death. Its called "second death" because all dead people will be resurrected from first death, so everyone who ever died will be awake. First ones to resurrection of life and other to resurrection of judgement. The ones who got sentenced will be destroyed in the lake of fire. Other will live forever with the Lord as a king, blessed eternity. No more death, no pain, no tears, no sickness, only life without end with God as our father, amen.
@@ivansupraha4971 "Where the fire is never quenched and the worm never dies" Mark 9:48 "And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." Revelation 20:10 What you're saying is not biblical. It makes it quite clear that once you're there, that's it, you're there forever. It's terrifying to think about so we come up with ways to make it not as bad as it really is, but that's not the word of God.
@@Malhaloc No it does not make it clear that one you are there something or anything happens. It is perfectly clear that "end" will happen, you are driven by ignorance and fear. Revelation 20:10 This does not mention people at all. Mark 9:48 "... fire is never quenched..." Here is more biblical verses about eternal or unquenched fire, so you can understand what are you talking about: Jude 1:7 "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire." Amos 5:6 "Seek the Lord and live, or he will sweep through the tribes of Joseph like a fire; it will devour them, and Bethel will have no one to quench it." Isaiah 51:8 "For the moth will eat them up like a garment; the worm will devour them like wool. But my righteousness will last forever, my salvation through all generations." - - - Fire devours, worm devour. Its about destruction, 100% clear. Matthew 10:28 "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can DESTROY both soul and body in hell." John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not PERISH but have everlasting life.” Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Job 20:7 “Yet he will perish forever like his own refuse; Those who have seen him will say, ‘Where is he?’” Ezekiel 18:32 “I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies,” says the Lord GOD. “Therefore turn and live!”” Do these verses mean anything to you?
God is love but He is also justice. His love provided a way to prevent you from having to suffer in hell. His justice condemns you when you die without having accepted the solution He provided through Christ.
Within mythology, why would a god in its right mind, create a being that it knew ahead of time was going to become an evil devil? It was the scribes that found it necessary to create a devil within the theology, because without a devil "in the picture" ... god all mighty would have to be blamed for every nasty bit of suffering ... and that would just "not do!" When I was about ten years of age, I was approached by a little girl of eight years of age, who was indoctrinated by the Catholic faith. She knew my mother was Protestant, when she said, "You know the priest preached that Protestants were going to hell," and then she smiled and added, "but I didn't believe him." We became the best of friends, because we didn't let religion put a mental block in between our relationship. As a child that was a huge lesson for me. HUGE!
You dont see purgatory in bible but tell me you thought on the verse in 1corrithians 3:15. When paul state that someone work is tested. And someone will be save only by escaping fire.
If you read 1 Corinthians 3:8-15, this passage in Scripture is referring to the Day of Judgement on Christ Followers. When Jesus sits on His throne to judge those who never accepted Him, as mentioned in this video, He will judge fairly, and the punishment each person receives will be given according to what they did in their life here on Earth. The same will happen to those who accepted Christ, but we will be rewarded according to our works done here on Earth. Verse 11 says that Jesus Christ is the foundation. You only have Jesus Christ as the foundation of your life if you repented of your sins and accepted Him as Lord and Savior. He is the Rock. Verse 12 begins to talk about works, comparing the motives behind them to "gold, silver, stones, wood, hay, or straw." If I do something with good and godly intentions, this is likened to the "gold, silver, and stone." But if I do something with bad intentions, this is likened to the "wood, hay, or straw." I understand that sometimes we do certain things and believe we're doing right, but God will be the Judge of that. Verse 13 says that God will bring our works to the light and show it for what it is. God will test the quality of each of our works with fire. Remember Moses and the burning bush? Remember how that fire did not burn the bush? Let's say that that is how it will be for those good works that are gold, silver, and stone. They will survive, and you will be rewarded. But for those works done with ungodly intent that are wood, hay, and straw, they shall be burned and you "will suffer loss." Now, the foundation cannot be removed. For Christ seals you as His son or daughter if you truly and sincerely accepted Him for who He is. So even if most of what was built on the foundation is wood, hay or straw, the foundation will never be burned and you are still given eternal life in Christ's Kingdom. God is fair.
Just as many rewards are good/ as they have wasted rewards./ hey, wood stubble is wasted rewards. These are Christians, I think most Christians waste their opportunities. Remember there is also some 30 fold, 60 fold, a hundredfold. Paul says the foundation is Christ, how you build on the foundation is up to the Christian. Paul always addresses believers, sometimes Israel.
Rich man wanted water and to warn family not to go there; that means he was in Torment! And Frank totally forgets Rev. 20 and all in hell will be thrown into Lake of 🔥 Fire. Guess no torment too. Also Frank Jesus didn't say anything it was Abraham!
OK, how can a drop of water on someone's finger make it through this place called hell? Then, how could a drop of water on a single finger quench someone's thirst? This was an illustration not to be taken literally. Pagan ideals need to stay out of the scriptural message. The lake if fire about the earth being turned into a virtual lake of fire during Armageddon and the eternal destruction of all of enemies of God and man. No one will be literally tormented or tortured for an eternity but they will be burnt up or destroyed for all eternity.
This whole scripture was a parable, it never happened, it was an illustration, an example. Other scripture proves that you don't go to heaven or hell until Christ returns.
There is nothing in scripture that backs those statements up. God is not heaven. Heaven is a place. And Hell is not a place at least not in the same way as the Bible speaks of it.
I think I've heard some atheist speaking "If in Heaven I'm going to meet people like Kent Hovind, Ken Ham, Frank Turek, etc. (although I'm not God so who knows where they'll go to or what they believe in their heart) then I better go to Hell". When you don't want to be with followers of Jesus, you might as well reject Jesus Himself. In a way, God is doing yourself a favor
Exactly. An ALL KNOWING Christian God, WHO KNOWS EVERYTHING, but yet forgot to put your name in the “Book Of Life” and will send you to “Hell” it your name wasn’t in it… i be damn…..
The KJV translates both Hades and Gehenna (Lake of Fire) as “Hell,” but they aren’t the same place. Hades is the place for souls awaiting the resurrection. Gehenna is where people who are condemned to the second death go. It’s written that people will be destroyed in Gehenna. The exception is for immortals like fallen angels, demons; also people who take the mark of the beast, which tells me the mark confers immortality. And that would explain why Revelation says they’ll seek death but not find it. Many people teach that everyone whose resurrected will be given immortality, but the Bible says that we are mortals and eternal life is a gift. God drove mankind away from the Tree of Life in Genesis, and we don’t see him offering the water of life until the end of the Bible, after the damned are thrown into Gehenna. And I don’t know where this guy gets his information from, but Strong’s Concordance says the Greek words translated “tormented” is _basanizó,_ which means “torture”. And that makes sense because Gehenna is described as a lake of lava and fire.
Almighty God makes the rules. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks. Just because someone doesn't agree with God doesn't mean that they don't have to obey Him. God didn't say let's make a deal, He said this is the deal. My eyes were opened when I was saved, everything is clear as crystal now. This life is not the one to concern ourselves with, it's the next one that matters and once you believe in Jesus Christ as your Savior He will give you a peace and understanding like you can't imagine. He only wants us to put our trust in Him and to believe in Him and trust me He will open your eyes and you will be amazed. All of a sudden everything is clear. I can't explain it. It's like you realize everything in the Bible is absolutely true and you know I mean really know that God is real and you know it in your bones and instantly you can't imagine how you didn't realize it before. It is awesome. It's one of His first gifts to us once we put our trust in Him.
Scholars have added that hell word in which makes people believe that its fiery torment place but it should be translated gehenna. Bible states that the dead know nothing at all ecclesiastes 9:5 . When adam and eve disobeyed God told them they will return to dust . So that guy asking a question is right God is love and he wouldn't torment his children . And also in order for to burn you have to have a immortal soul and that to is a lie .
@@Malhaloc the deuterocanonical books existed in scripture and the Bible for the first 1500 years of Christianity before they were removed. Every Christian up until the reformation would have believed in all 73 books of the Bible. Would you be able to explain which parts you think contradict the protocanonical books?
@@maxxyboy1000 Well, lets take a look at Catholic tradition and see where it differs from either version of the Bible. Let's take the Catholic Bible since that's the Bible + DLC. Where does it say to pray to Mary or the saints? Where does it say to pray for the dead? Where does it say anything about a place other than Heaven or Hell (Purgatory).
@@Malhaloc ah, well technically if the first biblical canon had 73 books, then it wouldn't be "DLC". It's modern Bibles that have removed those books. If we're looking at the full Christian Bible, then the comment you responded to above mentions praying for the dead: _"for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be absolved from their sin."_ - 2 MACCABEES 12:44-46 The Douay-Rheims Bible translates the last verse to: _"It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins."_ In order to understand this, you need to know what the Catholic teaching on purgatory actually is. Contrary to popular beliefs, the Catholic Church does not definitively say that purgatory is a "place". As nothing impure can enter heaven (Rev. 21:27), and because when we die we're still attached to sin, there has to be some kind of process in which we're "purified". This process could be instantaneous, it could take time, and it could be a place - but neither the Catechism nor the Bible tells us what the process of purification will be, only that one exists. _"the work of each will come to light, for the Day will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire [itself] will test the quality of each one’s work. If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; _*_the person will be saved, but only as through fire._*_ "_ - 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 This is what the Catechism says: * _"All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven."_ - CCC1030 * _"The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. the tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire: As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come."_ - CCC1031 To answer your first question, the Bible doesn't directly state to pray to Mary or the Saints. But it also doesn't condemn it either. To find the answer to it you need to look to what the early Christian Church believed. You'll find that the early church fathers all supported the notion that saints would intercede and pray for us. Let me know if you have any more questions. God bless!
3:54 2 Maccabees 12:46, which states: “It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead that they may be loosed from their sins.” Obviously, we would not pray for the dead if they were already in heaven
@@louisjaugustin8673 Yes, he is misrepresenting God. God does not punish people after death. Death is the punishment. Then God will decide whether or not he will resurrect a person. He will be fair in his judgment t to do so. Again, God is love. He does not forever remain vengeful. Ps 30:5, Jer 7:31 What he and others are teaching about God is twisting the real meaning of scriptures. It serves the Devil not a real depiction of God. As you believe God is and will be fair.
Unfortunately this is a poor explanation. Revelation 20 and 21 makes it clear that hell is the second death. So there is no torture for trillions of years. They die after facing the judgment.
If you say no to be a follower of Jesus- who is God- you don't get forced into the existence where he rules. That existence is what is called Heaven. It's a wonderful and interesting and peaceful place full of happy energy because everyone that stays there do it volontarily, fully knowing the Ruler and his loving rules. If you don't want to be under Gods rulership, meaning not accepting Jesus, you absolutely don't have to! If you don't want to be in heaven God doesn't force you or anyone else. Accordingly to the Bible, and that the source we have at hand here, those whom don't want to be with Jesus are allowed to stay out of or outside of the Kingdom of Jesus. That outside place is totally emty of love, empathy, help, forgiveness and justice, fairness. No God. It's pure agony. Pure torment. Totally free of Gods standard. It's called Hell. The choice is yours. Jesus will welcome you without shaming you. He will only be deeply happy to see you!❤
Yes there is a contradiction. Only those who are written in the lambs book of life have eternal life, the wicked perish. Righteously judged and destroyed. God is love.
It's totally wrong to say that I wouldn't want to live happy forever, that I don't want to believe that there would be someone who would wipe my tears away and nobody wants to live in torment forever. But it is totally another thing to claim without evidence that there's an afterlife or gods or angels or devils or demons or hell or heaven AND that I should believe in them or I will face eternal torment. If your god is love, your god would provide for me this place of eternal happiness without ultimatums and threats of suffering and regardless what I might think about your god. YOU DON'T say to your loved ones that you'll love them only if they do what you want, you love the as they are. Your god is not love. Even in the parable of the prodigal son the father welcomes his son and doesn't care what he did.
J P God loves us all. That’s why he wants us all to come to Heaven. But he is also JUST. He is the judge of the universe, and his moral law is the Ten Commandments. We have all broken them. There is not one single person who is innocent. We are all guilty, and the punishment for sin is death. However, God has provided a way for us to escape death and have everlasting life. He sent his son Jesus down to earth as a human. He is the only perfect person who was never sinned. He was crucified on the cross and took the punishment for our sins. Just before he died he yelled out “it is finished.” He’s saying the debt has been paid. It’s as if you’re in court for committing a crime, and you can’t afford the fine that you have to pay, so you’ll be sent to jail. But someone comes along and pays the fine for you: the judge can say “well, you’re guilty of this crime, but someone else paid your fine so you’re free to go”. God offers this to everyone, no matter what you have done in life. In order to receive this wonderful gift of eternal life, all you have to do is truly repent, genuinely apologize to God for your sins and turn from them, not just say “whoops my bad”, and put your faith and trust in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. There is no other way to Heaven. Not by good works, not by confessing sins to a priest, not by saying the rosary or praying to Mary or any of these other rituals and practices that a lot of religions practice. There’s only one way, and that’s through repenting to God and putting your faith in Jesus Christ alone.
And to address the parable of the prodigal son, he didn’t just come back and say “my bad”. He has foolishly wasted all of his inheritance money. The only job he could find was taking care of pigs. He was so desperately hungry that he was about to start eating the pig food. He realized the errors of his ways and thought to himself “even my fathers servants eat better than this.” So he went home to beg his fathers forgiveness and ask to be a servant in his household. Of course his father cared what he had done, but he could see how truly sorry and repentant he was, so he welcomed him back home with open arms.
Frank Turek... Revelation 21:8 - Matthew 13:50 - Jude 1:7 All state that hell is a place of FIERY torment. Its torture. You're wrong. Stop downplaying the seriousness of hell.
Those are figurative terms not to be taken literally. Hellfire is an ancient pagan belief and one the Devil endorses. God is love, not forever vengeful. He is also just. Once a person dies they are simply dead, in non existence.
@@AdventureSMBW It's definitely not the KJV. That translation is full of inaccuracies, archaic English and generalizations that obscure true scriptural meanings.
As RC Sproul put it, God does not love the sinner [perfectly] until the sinner is justified in Christ. This is where the husband and bride analogy comes in. If the bride is rebellious and cheating on the husband everyday, even if the husband doesn't know and loves her as always, the love within this relationship is essentially imperfect.
Nothing can separate us from the love of god , even when we sin god still loves us but there is a block between us and god that can only be removed through penance and reconciliation
Hell is the everlasting separation from God and it's up to us whether we want to be with him or not. But remember, Destruction is the Absence of God and all in him is good so hell is the opposite of Joy, Peace and relief.
The fact that God doesn’t need me or anyone , but still chose to die so I can be with Him is enough for me to give me my life to Him. There’s no greater love than that
THIS!!!!!!!
Because you are a delusional and brainwashed person, AKA a "gods-believer".
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What’s good brother. I just wanted to spread a lil truth and love. We as human beings have something called a sinful nature, which means we find pleasure in doing things that are disobedient to God. And getting into Heaven isn’t about if you’re a good or bad person, but it’s whether if you have trusted in Jesus to cleanse you from your sins. Jesus died on the cross and rose again on the third day to pay the payment we owed God through eternal punishment in hell. You can’t be cleansed by your own works (helping out homeless, etc), it’s good to be a good person, but it doesn’t save you from hell. There is no other way into Heaven than by asking Jesus for mercy and forgiveness. Only by Jesus Christ may you be forgiven and saved for eternity! Ask Him to forgive you of your sins and repent, and to give you a relationship with Him. He loves you way more than you can imagine and He wants to be reconciled with you!! Much love ❤️
MrTron I did state halfway through my comment that He rose again on the on the third day
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How can someone be resurrected and then go to Sto'Vo'Kor? One needs to die to go.
How many times I heard from atheists "I'd rather go to hell than spend eternity with your God".
How good is God, that he will not force anyone into heaven.
g513 Wow I didn’t know you met every single believer and asked them if that’s why they believed and every single one of them said yes.
g513 Loving God is in understanding the sacrifice he made in sending his only begotten Son to live as a man, suffer and die for the forgiveness of our sins.Followers of Jesus Christ love God because he first loved.
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
Psalms 9:7-8 "But the LORD shall endure for ever: he hath prepared his throne for judgment. And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness."
John 3:16-17 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
Johnmark Deleon he didn't ask me though... And yet he's still wrong
Jevan Duke amen bro
yes after reading that bible i dont blame them its crazy
I struggle with the concept of hell as well. As a father, there is nothing that my child could do which I would condemn them to hell for eternity.
The idea of using a scare tactic such as hell as a way to attract people to christ is hard for me to grasp.
It's a struggle I'm having with my faith and this video was of no help.
Sending someone to eternal torment is beyond excessive. I would not wish that on anyone.
Agree, I've been a Christian my whole life and only the last couple years I've really struggled with this. To me even the "worst" humans are usually (not always) the product of the environment or the circumstances they grew up with. And if I was born in Qatar and my Mother, Father, Grandparents, Brothers, Sisters, Cousins, Friends etc. all told me Islam is the right religion and I lived my whole life thinking I loved God and He loved me as a Muslim and I did right by people and tried to spread positivity in the world. Why should I be subjected to eternal punishment? It just doesn't seem right. And I can't believe God who loves us so much would subject someone to that and go through the trouble of still creating them if He knew that was going to happen. God is all knowing so he also knows the limitations of the human brain, he knows where we are going to fall short in our lives before we ever draw a breath so I refuse to believe he would continue to create people just to send them to Hell.
I’m sure your child changes his or her mind when you discipline them out of love. Hell is for people who refuse to change, where justice is served.
The problem here is your assumption that those in hell are God's children. But they are not. Look at Jesus's words in John 8 in speaking to the pharisees. He says of them "You are of your father, the devil." Only those who are of the Father's flock heqr His voice. And only those of the flock are His adopted sons and daughters. Those without Christ are of their father, the devil.
It's not a scare tactic. Hell is simply the abscence of GOD, what many people unfortunately want because they can't see His Goodness. He Gives them exactly that.
And because He is everything Good, a place without Him is everything awful. So there you have it.
I pray to more understand about God. plZ forgive me lord for alllllll my sins.
Pablo Tavares when I wanted to know more about God when I cried out and asked Him to let me know Him... He led me to His son Jesus, as Jesus said seek and you shall find.
The wisdom I have since gained from trusting Him and His teachings has allowed me to overcome the struggles of my flesh, do I still get tempted??...yes of course I do and always will while in my flesh because it's corrupt but now I know how to deal with it.
I know when I do my own will... I always fail to overcome my flesh, I fall every time leaving me with a heavy burden of guilt but now I realise my will has no power to overcome evil only Jesus will (His teachings) can.
It's His will that has power and it has allowed me escape from the burden of my sins and now I feel free and truly fulfilled like nothing else in this world has ever brought me.
Sin does bring us pleasure but it doesn't last long and the guilt stays around much longer than any pleasure we get from it...I wouldn't trade this for anything..it really is priceless. I will be praying for you but I know you will be guided like I was because you are seeking God with a open honest heart asking Him for mercy and God will answer.
Right there with you brothers
Don't worry Pablo... there is no such thing as Sin.
Behave like a honest and decent human being, you'll be fine in life.
I wouldn't worry about after life either
Babeaba quit trolling
Babeaba I think guilt is good evidence that sin is real, that right and wrong is real thing.
We humans feel guilty about doing wrong... even when nobody is around when we do it, we still seem to know it's wrong even if it advances us and doesn't hurt others, we still feel wrong, like cheating on a exam for an example.
Naturally we don't like to be told something is wrong, when we're doing it ourselves!! so that's why we deny sin exists but the minute someone does wrong to us or to the people we love, we suddenly act like it was absolutely wrong and that they've broken some standard and we expect them to feel bad about it, so we only seem to deny sin when we are responsible ourselves but not when others do it or if it's being done to us, which is very interesting.
In my opinion nothing else better explains the feeling of guilt than sin... our guilt convicts us of our wrong without anyone ever telling us and we seem to always try to justify why we have done wrong, it's never "our fault" but always reasons for why have done it...we're just tired, stressed or upset, we never put going wrong down to ourselves.
We don't ever want to admit this about ourselves and we rarely say to others when called out for it "I don't care, if I've done wrong" instead we list excuses for doing it but the interesting thing is when we do good, we put this fully down to ourselves, we don't make excuses for doing good... we attribute that solely to ourselves, nothing made us be good we just are but something always makes us do wrong.
i think the better question is
how anyone rejects loving God
God's amazing grace
@@ryancurwen-walker6076 God doesn't send people to an eternal like of fire, they send themselves when they sin. Nobody forces us to sin. On this earth when somebody commits a crime we Expect/Demand Justice and yet when we commit crimes against God and break his laws then somehow we think we should get away with it free and clear? No, that would not be Justice. We have all earned hell. I've sinned probably tens of thousands of times in my life and deserve the justice of hell. But Jesus loves me, and so he made a way for me to be forgiven. He loves you also and made a way for you also.
@@ryancurwen-walker6076 you need to do more research. Hell was not introduced by the Catholics. Hell is taught in the Bible. We have full Composites of the Bible before the Catholic Church even formed. 24 of the 27 books of the New Testament were recognized in 110 ad, the Catholic Church didn't form untill after 300 ad.
Jesus came into my life and changed it! I believe in Jesus is not because I read a book. He is a real being. Saying that I don't believe in him is like meeting you face to face and then saying you don't exist. Even if I wanted to I couldn't. I know he is real. I have had contact with demons. I know they are very real, very strong, and very angry. The personal experiences I've had with God and Satan are not made up in book. I guarantee they are both very real!
PS. The Rapture is also taught in the Bible. It is not something new. And most of the books of the New Testament can be documented/ authenticated within a hundred years of Jesus's death. Perhaps you should do some more research on how/when the Bible was written and by who.
@@ryancurwen-walker6076 Paul wrote nearly half of the New Testament not 2/3. We know for sure he wrote 12 books and he might have written 13. Jesus himself mentions hell as a place how forever torment, and since Jesus made hell I think he would know best. John also mentions it a lot in revelation.
You're right about arguing from personal experience to strangers. If you knew me personally you would know I wouldn't lie about it, but you don't know me.
Many people still teach that hell is Everlasting pain and torment because it is. That is what the Bible teaches. The rich man and the place of Torment, not hell yet, was in torment and pain and wanted to warn his brothers. You don't warn somebody not to come somewhere if it's not horrible. And that story does not say at the parable. It very well may be true story and that was from Jesus himself.
@@ryancurwen-walker6076 the gifts of the Bible, spiritual gifts like speaking in tongues and prophecy and discernment of spirits and gift of Prayer are not "out of fashion." They are just as valid today as they were when they were written. People are still given these gifts today as a spirit sees fit. I have discernment of spirits. That's how/why I had interaction with with demons. Just because some people ignore, change, or delete parts of the Bible doesn't mean they are not still 100% valid. The people that do this are wrong not the Bible. The Bible does not change, God does not change.
@@ryancurwen-walker6076 actually there are over 24,000 artifacts the prove the Bible is correct. They even found Sodom and Gomorrah in ashes. Many people have experienced demons, they are very real. And miracles happen all the time that are super natural and unexplained by science. Look in the medical field, there are hundreds of documented cases. I am not a Christian because I was born into it. In fact I rejected it for a long time so I could live in sin but then Jesus got my attention and gave me a super natural peace that is unexplainable.
We have a ton of scientific evidence of a world wide flood and our population growth rate would be exactly where it is if it started with 8 people 4 thousand years ago. The Bible is the most historically accurate and historically reliable document that we have anywhere. In fact nothing in the Bible has ever been able to be proven wrong. I have done my research. I'm not blindly believing in a myth. The evidence is there if you look for it.
you need to understand that BEFORE LOVE, GOD IS HOLY
God IS holy. Yes.
But simultaneously, GOD IS LOVE. 1 John 4:8.
Why do we so often look at these aspects of God as being mutually exclusive? They are not.
They are mutually inclusive.
God IS holy. And, God IS love.
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way Farer I am holy too...
Can you explain what that means?
How is this god dude so holy. He seems quite mean, childish, unjust, and just downright vengeful to me.
George Foreman The Lord is righteous and set apart from everything else, which makes Him holy. Now God is the creator of the whole universe and is the moral standard of good. Since he is good, then he must be just as well, so he should judge you based off of your sin. However, God is love and knows that us humans all fall short of his standard because of our sin. So he sent his Son, Jesus to pay for the wages of our sin with his own life, then resurrecting from death. So if you and I believe in his Son, Jesus, we don't have to pay for our sins. Our sins are covered and we can live with a God in eternity. I don't believe what you say about God. If he was all of those things you said, then he wouldn't give you or any grace to be living right now. Or the grace to hear the Gospel of a Jesus Christ and have the option to accept salvation.
George Foreman the irony
So to Frank, Hell is a place where people experience mild regret and then go on sinning for eternity? What about the weeping and gnashing of teeth and the fire and sulfur?
Also the rich man was begging for just one drop of water. Said he was tormented in the flames. Doesn't sound like only regret he was experiencing.
The rich man is a parable. Hell doesn't exist in that manner. The weeping and gnashing of teeth is not in hell. It is at judgement. When people die they go to sheoul and wait judgement. Hell in Hebrew is the grave. These people are waiting and when judgement comes thru will be cast into the lake of fire and cease to exist. They will not be tormented, they will be destroyed.
Lake of fire is eternal, they won't cease to exist, they'll be tormented forever,
@@Mr_HaoLal it's not eternal. It's called the "Second Death" why would God keep ppl who have sinned in eternal torture? For the wages of sin is death. Ceasing to exist makes way more sense.
Scripture written is quite clear that hell is indeed everlasting. Yes, Scripture speaks of hell as “death” and “destruction” but defines these in terms of a place where “they will be tormented day and night forever and ever” (Revelation 20:10).
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God is Holy. He cannot dwell in the presence of evil. When He warned Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, or else they will die, they disobeyed Him, and chose death. What must God now do? Must He go against His own word, and not pass judgement? His Name is Yahweh, meaning Unchangeable One. God also cannot not honour his word. If God says something, be sure it will come to pass.
This causes the dilemma of Hell. God knew that it was SO bad, that He was willing to take on human form, die the worst imaginable death, after enduring absolute horrific torture and punishment, just so that you and I can escape Hell. Clearly, He takes sin absolutely serious, and knows without a shadow of a doubt from what horrors He is saving us from in Hell.
But as Frank says, He will also not force anyone to worship Him. He did not create us in His image, and pre-configure us to be automatons. He gave us free will. We must choose. If we choose death, He will honour our choice.
But then, He also does not send you to Hell. At the moment you were born, you were destined for Hell. Thank Adam and Eve for that, not God. He warned them. He wants and is willing to save ALL who call on Him. What God DID do was make a Way.
Jesus, Who is THE Way, and THE Truth, and THE Life. NO ONE will see the Father except through Jesus Christ. To deny Christ, is to embrace Hell. There is NO OTHER WAY. All roads do NOT lead to Heaven, only ONE does, and HIS NAME is JESUS CHRIST.
Well put sir.
So this tree had the power to doom all of humanity yet he...in his infinite wisdom put this tree there in the first place...a tree who's fruit gave you knowledge, so prior to that they didn't even have the knowledge to know what they were doing was wrong and to make matters worse....He....allowed a great deceiver who is greater and wiser than they are to roam the place and influence those beings who were cleary babe like and lower than him(the great deceiver)....and to top it all off....He in all his infinite wisdom figured that the only solution to this mess was to sacrifice himself....onto himself....be dead for a bit and come back to continue to reign as or with God yet somehow it was the greatest ever sacrifice?.....don't you see that you had to first pre suppose that all of this is true to believe this?!
think about what is love, I highly doubt that if you were god (yes ik that is not meant to work cause god is meant to be perfect, but just bear with me) you would follow the sort of path god did to love and relate with his creation
Its a very wierd system when you think about it, even, god effectively sacrificed himself (jesus was fully god to so this is accurate) to himself to save his creation from himself after they exercised the free will that god gave them to do something that god didn't approve of because of the lying serpent that god created.
It simple doesn't make sense if god is definitionally love making him either not all loving or deluded if hell is what it bibically is.... (yeah ik it doesn't sound nice)
Dire Wolf Excellent logic - but unfortunately, logic and reason are alien concepts among the god squad
So according to you and the idiotic Christianity I should go to hell because of m*********** Adam and Eve
I want more than anything to be with our beautiful , loving creator, he is love . I wish everyone wanted that it pains me that many don’t .
An "Entity"that is loving and beautiful will not create a hell :
With vile wicked sadistic demons and fire ✦
@@dimensionexo. But this "Entity" didn't create hell, he's giving all of us 2 options, be with him, or without him. He loves you enough to NOT force you into Heaven. If you want to be separated from God, there won't be anything stopping you. Hell will be a place where people end up who doesn't want anything to do with God.. Like sick and wicked sadistic people who lived through times who will still reject God. God won't be involved there, so there will be no authority, nothing but chaos, anger, sadness, depression, evil, pain, suffering. Everyone will be for themselves. "But these all sounds so evil, how could this "Entity" create evil?" Well, He didn't. He only allows it. "How can a loving God allow evil?" Evil is a choice from freewill. So freewill is what makes evil a possibility. He gave the angels freewill and a lot turned against Him, so they chose to be casted out of Heaven and are now called these "vile wicked sadistic demons" like you mentioned, they weren't made by God to be that way, but God loved them enough to give them freewill, so they wouldn't just be programs doing what their programmed to do. Same with people. God loves us enough to give us freewill, and what we do with it is up to ourselves. Unfortunately if God completely removes evil, then we will have no freewill, and I appreciate that God made me a conscience being with freewill to choose what I want to do. And I choose to serve Him. And I hope you do too, you've really got nothing to lose if you serve Him. In fact, there's a lot to gain from it, so please consider it? And anyone else reading this also please consider it?
@@chucksnorre803 Never stated i didn't believe in a "Supreme Being" Oh I do :
There are so many perspectives - So I gather as much Info as possible - Consolidate it :
And come to a conclusion - No one really knows the true meaning for this experience:
"Thus says The Lord: Behold, the corrupt doctrines of the churches of men have crept into every corner; near and far, the doctrine of hell and eternal torment is embraced by the people.
Yet I tell you the truth, this doctrine is a loathsome spot on every garment worn in the name of truth! A detestable wrinkle within the tapestry of My glory! A horrible interwoven thread by which those who call of themselves Christian pollute My name and mar My image before the people, propagating that which came forth from the mouth of the dragon!
THIS DOCTRINE IS EVIL! And must be opposed by all who have received the love of the Truth. For I have indeed spoken to this generation, even as I have spoken in all times past. For I AM THE LORD, The Light in whom there is no darkness at all."
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"Thus says The Lord: Little flock, how is it you say within yourselves the way of The Lord is not equal? How is it you feel as though upon this servant I have poured a bounty, yet you remain desolate?
Beloved ones, by whose power were you called forth into existence? To whose joy were you created? By whose favor were you born into this world by way of water and blood? Therefore, again I say to you, who you choose is everything. For I do not withhold My love, yet on account of your flesh you do always step backward.
Consider the woman who touched My robes and was made whole. Tell Me, how is it that she received and you do not? Was she so highly favored, that she should receive and you should not? Beloved, come close and walk beside Me, for you are indeed highly favored! And all who grab hold of Me shall surely share in all that is Mine.
Little flock, My ways are equal, yet the ways of My people remain unequal. For I have indeed poured out My life for you, yet each one must decide how deeply they drink. Do you not see? My blessings are equal for all who receive of My blessings, and My grace sufficient for all who trust in Me.
Thus among those who come to Me, one is not favored over another, nor is My love bestowed by measure. Rather it is you who receive by measure, resisting on account of all these deceitful weights, trust which remains altogether lacking.
Therefore do not confuse My love with the calling I have purposed for another, nor compare the gifts of the Spirit with The Blessing. For those I have called to serve shall indeed be given gifts, each in accordance with their faith and My will. And those who receive the greater gifts shall also bear the greater burden, even in the heat of the Day.
Therefore, again I say to you,
The Lord’s ways are indeed equal,
Yet the ways of men remain unequal...
Yet those who grab hold of their First Love
With all their heart, with all their mind,
With all their strength and with all their soul,
Shall never go hungry, nor shall they thirst anymore;
Nor shall the heat of the noonday
Sun do them any harm...
Yea, even all their tears shall be wiped away
In the house of The Lord."
@@dimensionexo. A person who God creates and blesses minute by minute, day in and day out should be more grateful and faithful to that God. They ought to give Him praise glory and honor instead of lying about Him and backstabbing and mistreating others.
I would rather God tell me on judgement day it didn't take all that, than to stand before a righteous and Holy God and He say I didn't do enough, depart from me!
It may be that He says you tried to do something at all... No man may enter Heaaven by his own deed. Only through Christ, so that no man may boast.
@@GMNGChristian our good works do play an important part though. They don't cause our initial justification, but the Bible says time and time again that they're important for our lifelong sanctification.
@@maxxyboy1000 Sanctification isn't salvation. It's _because_ we're saved that we try to do good works, and those good works are sanctifying, but they don't save us. We're only saved by the grace of God alone, through faith alone in Christ alone. There is repentance in the life of someone who is saved, and good works throughout their life because they're saved. These are the result of salvation, not the cause of it. :)
@@GMNGChristian but sanctification is indeed part of our salvation. We are not saved through faith alone. Ephesians states it is through God's Grace that we have been saved. But, once we have that Grace it is our responsibility to allow it to sanctify us, and this is where we called to grow in faith and do good works.
" *You were dead in your transgressions and sins in which you once lived following the age of this world, following the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the disobedient.* All of us once lived among them in the desires of our flesh, following the wishes of the flesh and the impulses, and we were by nature children of wrath, like the rest. *But God, who is rich in mercy, because of the great love he had for us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, brought us to life with Christ (by grace you have been saved),* raised us up with him, and seated us with him in the heavens in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. *For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you; it is the gift of God;* it is not from works, so no one may boast. *For we are his handiwork, created in Christ Jesus for the good works that God has prepared in advance, that we should live in them.* " - Ephesians 2:1-10
If you read the verse carefully, you'll see that we are indeed saved by God's Grace, but it's not "once-saved-always-saved". This is an initial justification which calls us to continue in righteousness and avoiding disobedience. We are saved by faith, but not faith alone. These verses help us understand the full picture of our justification.
_"What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?" - James 2:14
_"See how _*_a person is justified by works and not by faith alone._*_ And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route? For just as a body without a spirit is dead, _*_so also faith without works is dead._*_ "_ - James 2:24-26
_“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,[a] but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.”_ - Matthew 7:21
_" _*_who will repay everyone according to his works: eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works,_*_ but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness. Yes, affliction and distress will come upon every human being who does evil, Jew first and then Greek. _*_But there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good,_*_ Jew first and then Greek."_ - Romans 2:6-10
Even if you're saying works are the result of our faith, that only clarifies the order in which these two things save us, but it doesn't dispute that both faith and works are necessary for our salvation.
Hope this clarified! God bless :)
@@maxxyboy1000 You're talking about 'works righteousness'. James is referring to false faith - or dead faith - if someone claims to be something, but that claim isn't backed by behavior, then do they really believe what they claim? No. They just want others to think they do. Remember, people are _justified_ by works - their claim of faith is justified by works - but they're not _saved_ by their works.
The work that saved people was Christ's work on the cross, by no other can someone be saved.
We are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.
Matthew is also referring to works righteousness (if you continue reading in chapter 7). The people wanting to get into Heaven and who affirm God, calling Him "Lord, Lord", aare being turned aaway because they're relying on their works to get them into Heaven; prophesying, casting out demons, etc. But they will be turned away because works righteousness is lawlessness; their works cannot get them into Heaven, but only the work of Christ's sacrifice on the cross.
The WAGES of sin is death but the GIFT of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord
Nah, man. Through Anubis.
I have an analogy for this, its like
"There's a party in the house and you refused invitation or decided not to get in the house" Now some people can be outside the house watching the party and blaming themselves, some are far from the house, they barely hear the music or see the lights and the rest too far to hear and see anything out in the dark.
Fucketup
God could just save everyone. Then, if you want to go this party, fine. If not, that's ok too.
Geez man Dr. Frank Turek is the teacher that I wish I had growing up in school!! Thank God for Dr. Turek!! God is GREAT!!!
Geez is too close to the Lord's name. God bless you.
@@braydynniewiadomski4006 please elaborate on what you mean by “Geez is to close to the Lords name” I’m confused, I’m not even trying to joke I’m seriously confused by your response
"if god is love and beauty then how come i don't experience love or beauty when i reject him?"
@@bjm6275 okay coomer
@@bjm6275 You are so far off and wrong its not even comical.....
@@joshuaread6838 Yeah, funny man.
@@bjm6275 Where do you get your truth about God? Because it's not from the Bible.
@@bjm6275The irony is that people have been duped for centuries into thinking that Heaven and Hell exist. Its all abstract. The two hypothetical places are continually mentioned or consequently preached just to give people a sense of hope that one day they will die and go to heaven and that if one commits a sin they would burn in hell. These stories are similar to children's bed time stories. There isn't truth on any of them.
Every minute, of every new day, is an opportunity to choose to repent. Those days are numbered, don't waste them.
1 Peter 4:6
Love the answer in this. It once again proves the love of the Lord and the chance we have been given. Nobody has to go to hell. We all have the chance to be saved
only if you believe or you die and burn for eternity. no matter how good a person they are.
Babies all go to hell since they dont believe according to the bible
@@SmartAss4123 False. Babies all go to heaven, because there's a certain age for reason that you need to take account for
And nobody is actually a good person. That's false as well. Everyone is a sinner, no exceptions. ONLY trough Jesus a person can be saved. A person can't save himself by trying to be a good person.
@@TheAlex3712 Theres a certain age for reason? Its so conveinent for religious people to keep making more stuff up.
Okay I'm the revived prophet of almighty Cthulu from the dead. He ONLY spoke to me and says you must worship him because I wrote it down and I said so.
Its true because I saw it and believe it in my heart.
Prove me wrong.
@@SmartAss4123
Well, do you have any witnesses for that ?
Did your god created everything ?
Did he make at least sure to put everything he did in a book with (again) witnesses and people who follow him ?
Is there at least some archeological finds for what happened before in his book ?
Respond to these questions and I will know if you're wrong or not.
This is a difficult issue, but the fact is that we all deserve hell. For we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
@Evangelist Kim Patrik
That chapter is speaking about the Judgment Seat of Christ. That a judgment where believer/Christians will be judged & receive crowns according to their works/actions from the moment they accepted Christ as their personal Savior & forward.
Sinners will not be there. They attend the Great White Throne judgment.
Look up & study both tearms
- The Judgment Seat of Christ
- The Great White Throne judgment
No "we" dont. I didn't eat food I wasn't supposed to eat and get kicked out of a garden. I was born that's it and I had nothing to do with it therefore if your god is a just god then he would. not associate that crime with me because by definition I'm not guilty. But hey Christianity is a great way to make money and keep people under your thumb
@@SheikhN-bible-syndrome if you reject Christ as Lord and Savior , and die , you will end up in Hell, then the Lake of Fire , John 3: 16-18, Revelation 20,21.
@@SheikhN-bible-syndrome all born from Adam have a sin nature from Adam , and if not receiving the salvation of Christ , are damned .
@@berenc7619 so your born into sin you say. Well then do you think kids that die go to hell or free pass to heaven? Because you cant have it both ways. Also you do realize that if you didn't know how to read and no one else you know or have contact with could read that you probably wouldn't even know 90% of the stuff you believe to be true. And reading is a fairly new thing back in the day (before the 1700's and especially before the dark ages) people didn't all know how to read and that's why Christianity is in book form so that your priest/ pastor can be the one controlling the flow of knowledge and understanding
Thank GOD for you and your ministry and everyone in your organization . I pray that GOD keeps blessing you and blessing your cause I learn so much from you sir please keep working keep telling the truth and keep up the good fight GOD bless you Frank!!!👍
It's a fairy tale...
@@WilbertLek it’s not
@@luxid413 It is about things that are not possible in reality, AKA a fairy tale.
@@WilbertLek its real
@@luxid413
And your evidence is...?
This is incredible . I love people questioning faith . The more people question the more my faith grows . Jesus I love you . I'm so sorry you had to suffer for my sins
Here's a question for your faith: Is it right, is it justice, that an innocent person suffers for you have done?
@@thevulture5750 Let's say your child wants to donate their heart to you because your heart is failing because you're morbidly obese. Would you let it happen, would you let your child die so that you could live? Probably not? So why would you accept that an innocent person dies for you because they love you?
But here's another question: What did Jesus sacrifice if he's now and forever the ruler of the universe?
The wages of our disobedience (sin) to God and opening the door to eternal life with him.
If you love Jesus you definitely would not be sorry for Him.
Grateful yes, sorry definitely not.
Great video Frank Turek! Keep it up
This cannot be an acceptable answer. I find this question to be an excellent one and unfortunately it was not answered adequately. The outstanding question is how can people be tormented forever and ever if God is love? Whatever answer is given to this question must be able to overcome the question of the character of God and whether or not it is fair for this to happen.
Personally I think there's a misconception about how people end up in Hell. Yes, God is love. However a prerequisite for love is that it isn't forced. God doesn't force you love him. Hell is separation from God. So from that we can kind of extrapolate that God doesn't really 'send' anyone to hell. They chose Hell when they rejected God.
David, man, I really don't know how to answer some questions. Actually, the word "Hell" didn't even exist in the original language of bible! Did you know it? It did talk about a place where people who didn't accept Jesus went to, but it was not hell. It was introduced overtime, you can do a search on this by your own. But the thing is, it probably has degrees of rewarding and punishment, yes. And maybe some of em just cease to exist after paying what they got to pay, I don't know. But, don't worry, as a Christian, you're not FORCED to believe in hell the way other Christians do. And I realized that after I got into Christianity myself, I accepted Jesus as my only savior, I've been reading the Bible and slowly reshaping myself in Jesus's image. BUT I am still Norival, I'm still myself. I got opinions as everybody, and I decided to believe that people who didn't accept Jesus go to a place and pay for what they've done and then cease to exist. And maybe I'll change overtime and understand better the Bible, and that's it! You don"t need to believe in the way other Christians do, it's simple, believe in Jesus and you shall be saved. And that's it, you don't need to believe in this Hell some pastors say, or just swallow all the things they say it's true. You're still gonna be yourself man, don't be afraid man, and now as a Christian I can ask for God's help to understand my questions! I still got em
@@steves_garage that isn’t love at all, sending people to get tormented forever just for not following him and accepting him is pretty evil to me. Instead of creating hell he should’ve created a place where people go that don’t believe in him or follow him where you and hang out but without getting tortured for eternity. Nobody deserves to get tormented forever, not even the worst of the worst
I don't think either one of us is qualified to determine precisely what someone's eternal situation will be. I'll leave that to God. There's a lot of more to unpack there and a YT comment section isn't the place for it, and also I'm not a pastor. If you really want to know why Hell exists then you can find talks and sermons on that matter all over the place.
1 Timothy 4:10-God, Saviour of All Mankind, specially of believers ✨♥️
1 Timothy 2:3-4-God, who wills that all be saved
All that he desires, He does-Psalms 135:6
I think the reason he asked this question is that he is worried about his friend or relatives who have already passed away and did not believe in Jesus.
As much as I love Dr. Turek's teaching, I have to say that I am slightly dissapointed that he didn't address that Hell was not originally made for humans. The bible is clear that Hell was made for the Devil and his angels. Matt 25:41. Because God is love, He is also just. If He wasn't just, we'd all be in trouble. Because God is merciful, He judges. We as humans try and attempt to put God on our level of morality and we can't do that. We are not the law givers of what is right and true when we ourseles are sinners, depraved by nature. How dare we as humans attempt to hold God to a higher standard than what He holds us to.
Look at it this way. I have three children at home. One is 2 and the other is 6 and the other is 16. If my two year old shows me attitude, or storms off crying in a fit of rage, I will treat her much differently than I would my 16 year old. Let say my 16 year old steals a car, my car, and gets caught by the police and my 6 year old steals a candy bar from the store. I will, as a parent deal with these two children and these two instances very differently vs treating each sin as the same. (Even tho God sees all sin as one in the same, but that's an argument for another time) My 16 year old knows better and my 6 year old may need to be reminded of what is right and what is wrong. Also, if my 6 year old or my 16 year old starts abusing my 2 year old, because of my love and mercy for her, I will "judge" my older two children because of their sinful and abusive attitude towards my 2 year old daughter. If I didn't deal with those other two, how could I as a parent be just if I don't mete out justice?
Having said, that, God views ALL sin as one in the same. A transgressing of the law, His law will be met with punishment and wrath. The one attribute that is spoken about the most in the bible when it coems to God and His nature is not of His love, but of His Holiness. God has not only a right but a duty to mete out judgement and wrath as He sees fit. Luckily, He gave us Jesus and He took that judgement and that wrath for us at the Cross.
What "teaching"?!?!?!
You mean the psychotic rambling of a sycophant?
@@WilbertLek nope
God is omniscient. He already knew who was going there unless you're an Open Theist.
@@storba3860 I dont have an issue believing in the possibility of god. I just think we all have it wrong.
The bible was a physical written collection of stories written and spoke about from people. Who then interpreted what they heard from supposed divine speeches from god or agents of god.
That's entirely possible. But it's also a 2000 year old document collection from a humans writing that has been adapted and re-printed over the centuries. So that's one issue that it has been changed and we wouldnt even know it from the original texts.
The other issue is god's paradox with hell, love, morality and immorality. And the issues within that itself. Now I could just be wrong, but it seems unlikely an all powerful, all loving god would intentionally create free will and people with the knowledge they might not know or believe he exists and then create an eternal punishment not because they were evil or sinful. But because they didnt just blindly accept one specific iteration of god to be christian.
why not make a seperate hell for naughty humans then? i under stand got wants NONE in hell but he created this ENTIRE system with these, from looking outside at "swarm bots" i almost feel we are not much diffrent in that regard. tho i do NOT think thats how the ULTIMATE CREATOR feels of us, it certainly seems the religions of this world sure DO!
Love the videos. One suggestion I have for you is to share the gospel to every one of those students. You could have said, "Where are you going if you die today? Do you want all your sins to be forgiven?" Then go on from there.
*Never take serious any man that can't say, "I don't know."*
Are you referring to frank ?
@@TheSanctifiedBabe All men, there is no one in the bible that had all the answers not even the Messiah.
The torment will come from our deep regret for not believing that God would make a way for us to be saved. The torment will be realising that God ensured our salvation with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Knowing how many times we ignored this gospel and mocked believers. Knowing it is our decision that sent us to this torment and cut us off from the grace of God and eternity in Heaven.
God's "justice" is not the same as ours. We seek retribution. God desires RESTORATION. He has given man "free will", but God's love is greater. Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Lord!!!!
"For in Christ, the fullness of the Diety dwells in bodily form". The person Jesus Christ is God the Son himself incarnate. I personally find this the most amazing statement I have ever read. The Lord God himself became incarnate and took on human form just like us. Utterly Amazing!!!!!
God the son is not in the bible , but yes , Jesus is a form God is manifest in and through , his word made flesh , but hes not a trinity , at all , in any sense , not that this even makes sense , he said hes one , which he is , and why Jesus is shown to be every title you can give to God as well as the very name of those roles , Father , spirit , son , all bare the name Jesus , matt 28 19
LOL, so people will be treated "fairly" in Hell? Makes no sense. The fact that Hell is eternal shows me that it can never be "fair".
There's a clip where he says something about the people in hell are there out of narcissism, rejecting God for themselves so Hell is where they go to be with themselves and without God forever. Not exactly " wise'' to call that punishment.
@@desmondbishop5808 But thats exactly what scripture calls it. "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”" Nowhere in scripture does it say that people go there of their own will or narccisism. It says God puts them there. You only hear of those other interpretations simply because the idea of God putting people in a place of eternal torture isn't loving.
We were made to live forever however we chose to reject god and follow evil. That’s just
Wow, Holy Spirit was all over this!! Fantastic answer. And flowed so well.
No this answer was hot garbage
Why would a god give a infinite punishment for a finite crime and what’s the point of free will if your punished severely for using it
I agree with tsl this was not the best.
@@guiden1954 very good point. One I have never seen answered very well from those that hold to ECT. What kind of justice is torture for trillions of years?
And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Jude 1:22-23
Consider having Blll Weise - 23 Minutes in Hell - as a guest on your stage.
Grafxgrl why? Just as anyone claiming to go to heaven and return so to anyone claiming to go to hell and returning. Never happened.
dave d The interview lines up with the Word of God through scripture, he doesn’t stutter, you can read the shook of his body languGe
There is no permanent suffering in hell because only eternal life is given to those who are saved the ones who are not are dead and no longer will exist
And thank God for that. I can't imagine a God who would enjoy tormenting people forever. Kinda sounds like someone we refer to as the devil.
I already saw many short Q&A in your channel Dr.Frank...many of these people not seeking a truth about Jesus when they say some qurstion , they just want their own version of answer...
I hope Holy Spirit touch their soul...
God loves us so much that He won’t force Himself on us. God isn’t causing you to suffer, your rejection of God is the source of your suffering.
There are several major issues within the problem of Hell. The first is the definition of Hell. There are several words in the original languages of the Bible that are translated into the word Hell in English. A second issue is whether or not the existence of Hell is compatible with the existence of a just God. A third is whether or not Hell is compatible with God's mercy, especially as articulated in Christianity. An issue particular to Christianity is whether or not Hell is actually populated forever. If it is not, one must suppose that those populating Hell may eventually die, or that God will ultimately restore all immortal souls in the World to Come. This is known as the universal reconciliation doctrine. In some respects, the problem of Hell is similar to the problem of evil, assuming the suffering of Hell is caused by free will and something God could have prevented. The discussion regarding the problem of evil may thus also be of interest to the problem of Hell. The problem of Hell could be viewed as the worst and most intractable instance of the problem of evil.
i find it simple , everything good comes from God , hell is being seperated from God , thus , your reality is the polar opposite of his goodness in all ways , forever , and hell was made for satan and his angels it says , these people are following him there ... they were not supposed to go there , they choose from the beginning to follow him there .......i understand its horrific , but , we dont have to go .......we can follow Jesus , Jail is horrible but i dont have to break the law.
Seeing this video I have much applause for Dr. Turek. Only ONE THING I would have liked to see that didn't happen. He asked the questioner, "What is God's alternative?" and didn't let him answer.
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One of the best ways of teaching someone who is reluctant to accept a given point of view is asking question and helping people find the answer rather than giving didactic answers. I would have liked to hear what the young man had to say and where his thought process would have lead him.
As a Christian and I believe in hell. From a human perspective, in answering your question. The logical answer I would give is annihilation. Yet I believe hell is eternal as the Bible says.
Now I could be wrong because there's lots of ambiguity concernng the concept of hell. But many think that God actively forces the unrepentant, those not redeemed and in Christ to an eternal hell.
Understanding is about having a proper perspective. I think it's highly plausable that God's not the active driver, the sinner is. The Bible teaches that God is holy, holy, holy. Every time someone like Isaiah sees God in a sinful state, they become unhinged. Maybe it's God's glory that drives them away i.e. the sinner runs from God. This makes more sense to me. God is love but he's holy too. Like a fire will drive one away. Those not clothed in Christ will run away on their own. God's driving them off but not actively, God's passive. Those that are in Christ aren't driven away, their drawn towards God. Heaven is being in Gods presense. Hell is running away from God and running into the darkness. As horrible as hell is for the sinner, it's better than being near God.
Just a thought, I'm not dogmatic because I'm just not sure. I do know we'll understand much more because; For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully, just as I also have been fully known.
His alternative is to have not made it a rule that you go to hell forever if you sin. Believers act like hell MUST exist because god created it, but he’s all powerful right? He chose to make that rule when he could have created a universe where free will existed but people weren’t sent to hell
@@jncar1Finally a sane answer.
This guy is great. Best talk on God's justice.
Peter Jongsma dodging a question and lying about how hell is described is great?
@@chrisklappich5998 hell is eternal punishment. hell is everything bad aka a seperation from God as God is everything good. he answered the question perfectly
Love me or else isn't much of a choice!
They chose not to expect God's free gift of salvation!!! Great explanation!!!
When trying to understand God we should try and look at it in His perspective. Why would God gives us eternal salvation for trying to be just for so little time here on earth? Hope this helps. God bless you all
Jorge Torres
Help you hope it helps? It doesn’t even make sense.
What are you trying to say?
The problem of believers, expecting others to believe it.
Why would god give a ignite punishment for a finite crime
Lol what are you trying to explain?
@@guiden1954exactly
In Christianity, you end up where you ask to be placed. With choices come consequences. As for me, my greatest joy is to obey the Lord. He is my Lord and Savior. His commands are designed to protect and deliver me from sin, perdition, and abomination. I thank him for this with my devotion. Hell is only a problem for those who ask for it...
Wow I wish everyone could be as pure and wonderful as you
Very good point. God is justice and justice will be delivered for everyone. We get a taste if hell even in this life and sure we cannot blame Him.
I strongly disagree that whoever is in Hell doesn't want to get out of there and still doesn't want to be with God. The fact that the 2 examples he mentioned they didn't ask God to get them out is because once you are in Hell, you instantly have the knowledge that you are not going to get out of there because they all know God only accepts repentance and forgives while you are still alive, once you die it's over. If you die a sinner and have rejected God then Satan has authority over you and that's the whole spiritual warfare between Heaven and Hell. Same as Satan can't claim someone who is in Heaven and draw him in Hell, the same God won't draw someone from Hell and take him to Heaven.
" so if God exists..... which he does." hahah i love this dude.
Lousy standup comedian.
Hello guys. I am not sure if I have replied to some of you in the comment section here in this video, if I have, here is my apology.
I know I have replied to many of your comments ridiculing ,even being rude to you guys and even talked condescendingly towards your views on hell. And also forcing my views on what hell is and whether eternal or not. I wanna apologise to all those whom I have replied and I am sorry for those whom I have offended, whether knowingly or unknowingly, and hope you guys can forgive me.
Ben
This is a good explanation. I don't like the example of saying this person is going to be in torment regardless of their sin, because God will judge our eternal fate
God's love is so deep He'll allow us to walk away and reject Him, Hell is existence without Him by our own choice.
Yeah, he loves people so much he decided to create a place where people suffer if they don't follow him.
Man, religious people are so delusional it's not even funny.
(Revelations 14:11)
"The smoke of their torment will rise forever and ever, and they will have no relief day or night, for they have worshiped the beast and his statue and have accepted the mark of his name"
That’s specifically talking about those who took the mark of the beast. This specific verse doesn’t explain what happened to those who rejected Christ and died not having turned to Christ in a time where the mark of the beast was not established.
@@danielespitia1776
First of all that verse doesn't just say all those who take the mark, it precedes to say all those who worship the Beast and its image and takes the mark. What do you think will happen to those who reject Christ then died even though they didn't take the mark of the beast?
I would assume anyone who rejects Christ? John 10:48 Matthews 10:33?
Kind of sounds like you're trying to find plot holes in God's plan? There are no plot holes in his plan
Amen! Believe on the LORD JESUS! Confess your sins!
nickj14711 God says there is such a thing. Four thousand years or more ago, God spoke through the Hebrew prophet Isaiah to let us know, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. He sets the standard because He is perfectly righteous. It is his will that we have fallen short of. The church didn't make this up, human beings didn't make this up. That's evident in your own response, because no human being would say this about themselves if they didn't have to because their creator has already reviewed it in your own heart, in nature around us even in it's currently Fallen and temporarily Corrupted State, in the written word of the Bible, and then the Incarnate Word of Jesus, God In the Flesh, who came into the world at a specific time and place in history, verified by miracles seen by eyewitnesses both hostile and believing, written testimony of many of those eyewitnesses, that is the gospel writers and their friends who insist that they saw and heard and handled with their own eyes and ears what they report in the New Testament scriptures. They went to their death insisting that what they saw and heard from Jesus coming including the fact that he rose from the dead, was actually literally true. It's one thing to be deluded, it's another thing entirely to know that you're telling lies and yet be willing to Die For Those lies. Are you willing to die for a lie, Nick? I certainly am not. However, I believe the eyewitness testimony is credible and is better supported by more documentation then any other ancient writer or writings. One example that I just heard today: gospel writer Luke claims that Jesus said that the end time would come in the before the generation that was listening to him had passed away. You say, well it's been more than two thousand years and Jesus hasn't come back, and you would be correct. But look closer. Jesus said that the temple would be torn down and not one stone will be left upon another of the building itself. Just 40 years after he said this, Rome came in and destroyed the temple of the Jews by the actions of Roman general Titus. but Luke gospel rights in the present is though the temple were still standing. This is internal evidence that Luke's gospel is very near the time that it is writing about, certainly before the Romans destroyed the Jewish temple in 70 AD, since he gives no mention of it actually happening yet. So what Jesus said about the generation of his hearers not passing away before this happened what is accurate and correct.
nickj14711 you do realize that by heart the Bible means your moral Center not your blood pump? You asked is there any such thing as sin or is it just a made-up idea, and I answered the question exactly the way God answers the question in the scripture. He gets to decide what is true, not you. Please define for me what you mean by credible evidence since the evidence I gave you doesn't seem credible to you. How is the Bible been discredited, exactly? Why would you expect a supernatural being to be provable by natural, or scientific means? If there is no God is a really big if Nick. Are you really willing to bet your life that you are right? Especially when God has stepped into history and told mankind that he is the creator and will one day be their judge. Not only that, but that he came into his history as a man willing to die to pay the infinite penalty that no human being under judgment can ever pay, but that must be paid if the loving God is ever to be able to redeem any of us that he loves, including you if you are willing.
God bless Turek
I gotta get a radar detector! Lol. God Bless Frank!
God specifically claims he needs to be feared. That contradicts love.
Besides killing millions isn't really the definition of love
@Repel, this is a common misunderstanding that many have regading the word "Fear".
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You "fear" authority, do you not? Just as you would "fear" a powerful storm, or the edge of a tall cliff with nothing to save you if you fell over it.
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God is all-powerful, all-knowing, present everywhere....all that he is compared to us mere finite mortals causes us to "fear" him in the sense of awe and amazement for who and what he is and what he has done.
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Imagine going on trial for murder in front of a judge who has the power to sentence you to death. Would you show him/her "fear" out of respect for their authority, or would you taunt him, call him names, dress slovenly, curse him, and ignore his instructions? I'm going to wager a 6 pack of suds you might act appropriately and "fear" the power that judge holds over you life.
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Just so with God. If we're honest, we realize we are not good people....not by a long stretch. We spend at least 50% of our day and resources meeting our own needs and wants. We ignore the poor, the outcast, the weak, etc. We excuse it by saying, "Well, that's just the way things are and I 'deserve' to treat myself well because I'm so good." But are we really? How many of us have lusted, cheated, lied, been disrespectful, showed coldness to our parents, spouse, kids, etc. How many of us can drive down the road and not get irritated if no infuriated by how other people drive? If we are honest, we must admit we are not good people. Maybe we aren't as horrible as others, but does being "less bad than person X" make me "good?"
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So God then is both powerful enough and fully justified and could condemn me eternally, and because of that I "fear" him. I am in awe of his power. I know the only reason I am not condemned is that he loved me enough to sacrifice his life to save me from my badness.
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"Killing millions" is God's fault? But you don't believe in God! So then who did the killing? Humans. Are you prepared to believe in the goodness of humans....because, according to your worldview....there is no God...which means the humans you believe are "good" are the ones who actually killed millions. Isn't that an inherent contradiction?
@@sidwhiting665 have you even read the Bible?
Degrees of punishment don't make a lot of sense. After a trillion years of paper cuts you'll be in just as much as pain as the person burning alive for a million. After a while it all becomes relative unless there's some sort of end to it.
Dude you just ruined my mental mood for the week. Now im thinking about this.
I will never be able to sincerely worship a God that sends people to hell, whether it’s a literal fire or a mental jail cell in eternal solitary confinement. The best they could get is my coerced obedience, but never true admiration, respect or love. There’s nothing that can change my mind about that.
✨ There are so many different beliefs,how can one choose ;
One says that we are all one conscious and choose to have :
A "Human Experience"just to see how it plays out :
Another states that we are born human with a "Soul" that :
Passes along with the body and based on "Grace"we go :
To a reward,good or bad ✦
God's perfect law was "eye for eye, tooth for tooth", the punishment fit the crime. However the hellfire teaching proposes that ones bad deeds commited during a finite time on earth result in infinite punishment. In this instance the punishment exceeds the crime infinitely. This is why people cannot reconcile the two, not because they are trying to accuse God of being immoral, but because the very idea of hellfire contradicts God's own moral standards. Therefore God by his own standards looks cruel and not like a God of mercy.
So people come to one of four conclusions:
1) Gods ways are higher than ours, but I'll blindly trust this premise I've been taught by my religious leaders and continue following because I trust him. This however goes against the reasoning of 1 Thessalonians 5:21, Ephesians 5:10, Romans 12:2 and Hebrews 5:14. God trains us to use our power of reason to distinguish right and wrong. He does not expect blind obedience. Matthew 15:14. His word completely equips us with what we need (2 Timothy 3:16,17). Don't let religious leaders gaslight you.
2) I don't want to suffer for all of eternity, so I'll serve God. But then this is not serving out of love, but out of fear of consequences (and not the respectful kind of fear). While first violating 1 John 4:18,19, this also inverses the premise of the book of Job. Satan's accusation against Job was that he only served God because of the Good things God gave him (Job 1:9,10) that his motivations were selfish, treating God like an intergalactic vending machine (like Karma). Oppositely, in this scenario these people are only serving God because of the things they don't want him to do to him, selfish motivations, not motivated by love.
3) I cannot reconcile how a God of love would do such a thing. This contradiction is too great. My faith is shipwrecked. I don't think this can be true anymore. Well "let us eat and drink for tomorrow we are to die". An understandable outcome. Matthew 15:14 has come true in their case. However Luke 17:1,2 predicted such things.
4) the "hellfire" teaching could have been misunderstood? And such a premise can lead you on the right path. Check the original language. There are 4 words. Hebrew Sheol and it's Greek equivalent Hades, where righteous people like Job (14:13) and Jacob (Genesis 37:37) were expecting to go, which is to be emptied according to Revelation 20:13,14 and then Gehenna along with its equivalent term in the Greek "the lake of fire" which means "the second death" (Revelation 20:14). Most Bible's conflate these terms under the single word "hell" which has just confused everything.
Yes God knows Infinitely more than us and should be trusted. But he hasn't left us in the dark, he has explained everything we need. 1 John 2:24 though says that what we have heard "from the beginning" must remain in us. Not what we personally heard from our teachers this century no, but all of the things primary based in the Bible and nothing but the Bible. Not the 2000 years worth of traditions that have slowly developed and been added since, or erroneous thinking that has crept in, for we know exactly how Jesus felt about such things in his day (Mark 7:7,13). There are many things done, that are not found or commanded anywhere for Christians in the scriptures. "Holy water", incense, child christenings, Mary worship, prayer beeds, cross worship to name a few...
Dude you took the words right out from my mouth
I don't have the full time to read everything that you said, but your perspective is flawed right from your premise. You commit thousands of sins every day. Every sin deserves the death sentence. Over the course of your lifetime, you will sin countless times, so you will receive countless death sentences. Each one lasting the life of a human. That's pretty damn close to Infinity by our reckoning.
Now flip the script: waht have you done to deserve an eternity in heaven? Only the perfect and sinless can go there, so why would you be worthy of going there? You have countless sins on you. You don't deserve the kingdom of God. Not unless you're washed clean and released from sin through the blood of Jesus Christ.
The problem with your premise is that you think hell was made to torment and punish, but you're wrong. Hell was made to place those who chose to live away from God. God is also good. The literal embodiment of good. Everything you have in you that is good comes from God, even your own so called morality. So when you go to hell, none of that good is in you, because God has left you alone as you requested. It doesn't matter if your sentence in hell was only a minute, it would still be enough time for you to continue to reject God and continue to sin against Him indefinitely, because you won't repent or regret. Both of those are good things and there is no longer any good in you.
It doesn't matter how you want to slice it, whether you want to look at it literally, theoretically, legally, spiritually, or whatever else. Hell is where sinners deserve to go, and they're more than happy to be there. Nobody goes to heaven or hell except through their own conscious choices. You don't accidentally wind up in one or the other, you choose it.
Very good comment. I'll save for later
@@NovusIgnis Countless death sentences is nowhere near close to infinity. The human brain cannot comprehend eternity. If someone committed 100 sins a day over their hundred-year life, and thus was condemned to endure 365 million years of torment in hell, you do realise that after 365 million years, you have not made it one single iota through an eternity?
@@Trueholycrapfish Actually, countless death sentences is close to infinity. Tell me, can you count infinity? I know I sure count. It's almost like countless is also infinite.
Torment
noun
a state of great bodily or mental suffering; agony; misery.
Not the same as "regret"
Your using a Human Definition that is small compared to Divine Justification?
The guy was saying "I don't want to believe in a justice judge who sends people to jail". In the end of the things we know that the gate is narrow.
God loves us so much He allows us to choose whether we love Him back. And hell is a choice.
I think its impossible to say that such a "moral" being to allow someone to be punished forever without possiblity of getting out. You could imagine someone who just didn't believe but still lived a life of caring, selflessness and self sacrifice being sent to hell forever regretting of what he or she did. Why do they deserve eternal discontent. I dont even think Hitler as bad as he was deserves eternal discontent from everything because i dont see a act nor crime great enough to amount to such a sentence. I understand the millions that will never get their live back it is a tragedy but understand this. They only had to deal with it for so long and he forever will have to regardless of if he understood and turned away from his past. Would such a god still sadistically stand there knowing that they truly changed their heart.
This is exactly how I feel. How can a loving God allow anyone to be tormented for eternity? How is that loving? Even with Hitler yes. For eternity? For finite sins? Doesn't sound fair at all.
Hence why I think Universal Reconciliation theology needs to be looked at more carefully. The mere fact that "aionion kolasin" was interpreted to be "eternal torment", when it can easily be translated as "age-long discipline" is a VERY interesting fact. Not saying I think its 100% guaranteed to be true, but it makes way more sense to my human mind.
It's cause you don't understand perfect love and perfect Justice.
You presuppose there are caring, selfless, and self sacrificing people as you describe walking this earth. There arent though - at least not how you are describing it. You may believe that you "see" some people this way, but look at yourself. Whatever good we show people, there's a whole lot of stuff people dont see. We know on the inside we're still choosing bad things. And that's the problem. For anyone who goes to hell - you cannot love them more than God does. That is impossible.
@@Jupiter1423You need help
He is the master of not answering questions
He did answer the question even though I don't completely agree with it .
When someone says to me I didn't answer their theological question(s) when I did , it means the person asking the question didn't like my answer (s), so is that the case with you about Frank?
@@berenc7619 people are looking for straight answer. Asking 5 questions back is just a mess. Throwing out metaphors just confuses people. He does everything he can to be vague because he knows a straight answer makes God look like a tyrant.
Will Armendariz
Keep denying. Sad.
@@chrisgagnon5768 nah dude. It's sad that some other dude does your thinking for you
Will Armendariz
False. Sad that a fish, ape and scientist do your thinking for you..
God doesn’t put anyone into hell. Quite the opposite. He tries to save us from the consequences of our own sins and even died for that. But if people still turn their backs on him, what else can he do? Atheists say that they would never want to be with our God. There you go. They are the ones that reject union with him. God doesn’t.
Thank you CE.
Hey, Jesus Christ saves and He loves you😁✝️
Amen !!
It would've been better for him and us if he didn't create anything. Yes no one goes to heaven, but no one goes to hell
For those in hell, their torment is their hate against the God that they know He is good.
I often reflect on my sins and am wracked with sorrow and shame and it feels like a burning sensation. Imagine that one day you can no longer go to confess and apologize because youre dead. And its only darkness...NOTHING around. You cant go to sleep because youre dead , you cant get stone drunk because youre dead , you cant cry your heart out because youre dead , you cant die because youre dead.
Because you're a delusional and brainwashed person, AKA a "gods-believer".
You can explain it 100 times in 100 different ways and my little pea brain will never comprehend how a loving deity allows anyone to suffer in eternal torment. It's not really indicative to love, to me. I know many will argue that but I guess I look at my kids and no matter how much they would hurt me or even turn their backs on me completely, I could never allow them to exist for eternity in torment.
God tries to help them, he simply says "Come to me and I'll save you"
the people say no
so should God basically kidnap them and make them come to him against their will?
free will is one of the greatest gifts he gave to humanity
he wouldn't take that back from us
@@gochiuto4416 Not everyone says no and freewill is the answer that everyone gives when they don't actually have an answer
@@jenkinsljenkinssquire9137 heaven is being with God
hell is being without God
if you want to be with God, go to him and he will forgive your sins and let you be with him
(which is heaven)
if you don't want to be with God, he won't force you to be with him
(which is hell)
what other situations are you talking about?
@@gochiuto4416I understand freewill, but what if you made a mistake like accidentally signed your soul away to a demon that had been following you and pretending to be dead ancestors. I wish God could save me, my kids, and my family from this. I'm not a bad or evil person. In a loving caring person and have always helped people. I just got lured into the wrong beliefs and was gullible. I wish God could help me, I am marked by demons and have attachments. Our souls were stolen and we will be taken to hell for eternity. I know free will but I wish God or an angel can help when you use that free will and make a terrible mistake being gullible and following a wrong belief system.
@@Tene-xh9vl you cannot sign your soul away, it belongs to God, you can't give away something that doesn't belong to you. that's just a tactic demons use to trick you, if you think you can never go to heaven, you won't even try to go to heaven.
there are things they can do that make you feel like your soul isn't God's, but it's just a trick and a lie
I can’t agree with Franks view on Hell due to the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, still a great point tho and amazing speaker!
Jesus doesn't actually say that's a parable.
@@Malhaloc When a scripture doesn't make sense, it is a parable. When someone dies, they are dead. The dead know nothing. Besides that, if it were true as God, the other disciples would have testified the same parable. They did not.
@@eltonron1558 Jesus always states that it's a parable when he tells one. Are you saying that omission is the same as saying something didn't happen? Because of the 4 Gospels, only one mentioned an earthquake. Does that mean the others said there was none, or was there just information provided in the one testimony that wasn't provided in the others?
@@Malhaloc In the world of theology, there is an entity, known as, the harmony of the gospels.
If more than one apostle, testifies of an incident or parable, it's likely to be a reliable occurrence. Jesus didn't state that the parable of salt and light was a parable, yet it is testified to in:
Matthew 5:13-16
Mark 9:50
Luke 11:33-36
In fact, there are several parables, Jesus told, but didn't state, they were parables. In Luke 8:4 Luke mentioned the parable, not Jesus. The unmerciful servant, the good Samaritan, the rich fool, not Jesus, but Luke.
Bottom line: Biblical scholars, and historians, do not look at parables, or testimony by only one apostle, as necessarily reliable, neither do I, since there are lots of biblical versions, and the context of the parables themselves. In the parable of Lazarus, and the rich man, it starts out bogus. The word, "hell", in the bible, is translated from Greek, Hebrew, and Latin. Most times, it means, the grave, a pit, or abyss. People who are dead in the grave are NOT, conscious, nor burning.
If Mark, or John had testified of the parable, it would have alot more weight. My opinion is, that Luke was taking some license in the story, but, as with the other gospels, there is doubt that they were actually written by the apostles themselves. I like the RSV, and still consider the bible to be mostly, and somewhat the word of God, primarily because of the documented times, God spoke, and lots of people heard him. Like at the baptism of Jesus.
@@Malhaloc Yet the Gospels of Mark and John say Jesus ALWAYS taught in parables - and even at the Last Supper HE says HE was still speaking to them "figuratively" ....how can one explain the 'adult world of understanding' to a child ??
And furthermore, why did HE teach like this ..... wake up !
We are ALL Gonna be save eventually.
1 Timothy 4:10-God, Saviour of All Mankind, specially of believers ✨♥️
1 Timothy 2:3-4-God, who wills that all be saved
All that he desires, He does-Psalms 135:6
People say it's unfair for a loving God to send people to hell forever. The statement implies that love means God should just tolerate someone's unrepentant sin. Why should He? Especially since He's given us a way out? Here's an illustration of how repugnant our sin is to God. Imagine your spouse. You love them. Now imagine they don't shower, wipe their butt, brush their teeth, change their menstrual pad when they have their period or change their clothes for 6 months. You beg them to take a shower and clean up. They continually refuse. But you still love them. But because of their stench you can't be near them. But you still love them. What do you do eventually? You get a divorce and kick them out. You never stop loving them but they've become so disgusting and repulsive to you that you can no longer be around them. Same thing with God and unrepentant unsaved people. He continually asks us to clean up and He provides the means to do so and we continually refuse. So eventually he kicks us out. It's our fault and not seeing that is proof of how arrogant we are. It's crazy for your spouse, after not showering for six months to still expect you to make love to them. But they do. As we expect God to just let us into Heaven covered with a lifetime worth of filth. This illustrates how clueless we are to really how filthy we actually are. We think we're clean. And anyone that says otherwise is nuts. Ok maybe we admit we're a little dirty but that's it. It shows how unaware we are of our own filth. We're so used to it it's become normal. And there in, as the Bard would say, lies the rub.
Also, to people who think the unsaved don't deserve eternal punishment in hell and that it's excessive because they haven't been that bad. Using that same logic, do you honestly believe you've been that good that you deserve eternal paradise in Heaven? Think about it. Eternal forever never ending paradise. You think you've lived that goodxa life to deserve that? There's only 2 choices after you die. With God or without. With God is Heaven, without is hell. Heaven is God's home. So His rules apply. If I went to your house and immediately went into the fridge, went upstairs into your medicine cabinet and slept in your bed and wore your clothes you'd consider that disrespectful and probably throw me out. But that's what we do to God and call Him unfair for throwing us out. We expect Him to just put up with it. He won't and shouldn't have to just like we wouldn't and shouldn't have to deal with the filthy spouse. We ask more of God than we're willing to do fore one another here on Earth.
And if God let everyone into Heaven with their sin, wouldn't Heaven become just like Earth? Who wants that?
Behold the goodness and severity of God...
"How could a good God send people to Hell?"
Me:Those who go to Hell chose it. That is the logical and just consequence of wrong choices. Hell is no different when a person who drink poison and got stomach ache and a person who bleed after intentionally stabbing himself.
An omnibenovelent and omniscient god creating hell and creating being to go to that hell for suffering is a contradiction. He can't be both omniscient and omni benovelent yet create hell to torment his creations.
@@shadowstrider5033 there is no contradiction there. Hell is the logical and natural consequence of separating oneself with God. The only logical choice is either to be with God or to be without God.
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The contradiction is in the fact that god is supposedly omniscient and omni benevolent yet creates being with evil that will be tortured in hellfire for eternity and in life those evil beings will cause harm to his other creations. Doesn't sound like a benevolent god to me. Sound like someone that enjoys watching his creations suffer.
@@shadowstrider5033 there is no contradiction in that. Evil only exist as a product of the wrong use of free will. Logic dictates that every choice has their consequence. Good choices produce good results while bad choices produce bad results.
@@shadowstrider5033 you don't blame others for the consequences of your wrong actions. The same goes with God. You cannot blame him for suffering the consequences of your wrong doings. Hell is just THE LOGICAL AND JUST CONSEQUENCE OF FREE CHOICE OF DOING WRONG/EVIL.
God bless you turek
I think often people struggle with God giving hell as punishment for not putting faith in him and as result feel the need for a second chance to realize it isn’t what they want. Well, people tend to treat the gospel this way; they shrug it off and they show their rejection through delay, by delaying the decision to commit to Jesus Christ - but it is rejection none the less. The Bible tells us to come to Jesus in repentance and faith today: Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation (2 Corinthians 6:2). It is foolish to trust in a convenient time to repent and believe. The claims of Jesus are never convenient for us. If we insist on waiting for a convenient time, we will wait for an eternity - an eternity spent in agonizing separation from God. God is giving so many chances each and every day with sufficient evidence. The time to change is now, it isn’t too late yet.
4:01 blood of Christ enables us to be in Heaven, because all of us have fallen short of the standard.
No.
A fairy tale is not reality.
@@WilbertLek if you seriously clicked on a christian video to argue with people then i feel very bad for you
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If you're using technology as a "gods-believer" you're a dishonest joker.
@@WilbertLek doesnt say nothing in the bible about technology beign a sin but k
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Your silly ancient book of Nomadic folklore and fairy tales doesn't say a lot of things.
Namely the truth...
original greek and hebrew for hell (Sheol and Hades) translates to grave. Hell is therefore the common grave.
exactly, plain truth there... and final judgement is destruction of wicked.
All this hell teaching came from pagan roots, and look how they try hard to explain Gods love in one hand while holding eternal torment in another... What a sadness
@@ivansupraha4971 Then explain your belief when the Bible talks about the Lake of Fire
@@Malhaloc It is the lake of fire, the fire that consumes. Fire that turns to ashes. Wages for sin given - death, nothingness, destruction.
Genesis 3:19
"By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."
Job 34:14
"If He were to set His heart to it and withdraw His Spirit and breath, all flesh would perish together and mankind would return to the dust"
In lake of fire, wages for sin will be given - second death. Its called "second death" because all dead people will be resurrected from first death, so everyone who ever died will be awake. First ones to resurrection of life and other to resurrection of judgement. The ones who got sentenced will be destroyed in the lake of fire. Other will live forever with the Lord as a king, blessed eternity. No more death, no pain, no tears, no sickness, only life without end with God as our father, amen.
@@ivansupraha4971 "Where the fire is never quenched and the worm never dies" Mark 9:48
"And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." Revelation 20:10
What you're saying is not biblical. It makes it quite clear that once you're there, that's it, you're there forever. It's terrifying to think about so we come up with ways to make it not as bad as it really is, but that's not the word of God.
@@Malhaloc No it does not make it clear that one you are there something or anything happens. It is perfectly clear that "end" will happen, you are driven by ignorance and fear.
Revelation 20:10
This does not mention people at all.
Mark 9:48
"... fire is never quenched..."
Here is more biblical verses about eternal or unquenched fire, so you can understand what are you talking about:
Jude 1:7
"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."
Amos 5:6
"Seek the Lord and live, or he will sweep through the tribes of Joseph like a fire; it will devour them, and Bethel will have no one to quench it."
Isaiah 51:8
"For the moth will eat them up like a garment; the worm will devour them like wool. But my righteousness will last forever, my salvation through all generations."
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Fire devours, worm devour. Its about destruction, 100% clear.
Matthew 10:28
"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can DESTROY both soul and body in hell."
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not PERISH but have everlasting life.”
Romans 6:23
“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
Job 20:7
“Yet he will perish forever like his own refuse; Those who have seen him will say, ‘Where is he?’”
Ezekiel 18:32
“I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies,” says the Lord GOD. “Therefore turn and live!””
Do these verses mean anything to you?
God is love but He is also justice. His love provided a way to prevent you from having to suffer in hell. His justice condemns you when you die without having accepted the solution He provided through Christ.
And you believe he is tormenting people forever?
Within mythology, why would a god in its right mind, create a being that it knew ahead of time was going to become an evil devil? It was the scribes that found it necessary to create a devil within the theology, because without a devil "in the picture" ... god all mighty would have to be blamed for every nasty bit of suffering ... and that would just "not do!" When I was about ten years of age, I was approached by a little girl of eight years of age, who was indoctrinated by the Catholic faith. She knew my mother was Protestant, when she said, "You know the priest preached that Protestants were going to hell," and then she smiled and added, "but I didn't believe him." We became the best of friends, because we didn't let religion put a mental block in between our relationship. As a child that was a huge lesson for me. HUGE!
She is a true catholic then. Chrtistians hate your sins, not you.
You dont see purgatory in bible but tell me you thought on the verse in 1corrithians 3:15. When paul state that someone work is tested. And someone will be save only by escaping fire.
The question is this. Does Paul address this scripture to the living or to the dead?
@@wilvenationg7564 use ur brain does judgement happen when ur alive?
If you read 1 Corinthians 3:8-15, this passage in Scripture is referring to the Day of Judgement on Christ Followers. When Jesus sits on His throne to judge those who never accepted Him, as mentioned in this video, He will judge fairly, and the punishment each person receives will be given according to what they did in their life here on Earth. The same will happen to those who accepted Christ, but we will be rewarded according to our works done here on Earth.
Verse 11 says that Jesus Christ is the foundation. You only have Jesus Christ as the foundation of your life if you repented of your sins and accepted Him as Lord and Savior. He is the Rock.
Verse 12 begins to talk about works, comparing the motives behind them to "gold, silver, stones, wood, hay, or straw." If I do something with good and godly intentions, this is likened to the "gold, silver, and stone." But if I do something with bad intentions, this is likened to the "wood, hay, or straw."
I understand that sometimes we do certain things and believe we're doing right, but God will be the Judge of that. Verse 13 says that God will bring our works to the light and show it for what it is. God will test the quality of each of our works with fire. Remember Moses and the burning bush? Remember how that fire did not burn the bush? Let's say that that is how it will be for those good works that are gold, silver, and stone. They will survive, and you will be rewarded. But for those works done with ungodly intent that are wood, hay, and straw, they shall be burned and you "will suffer loss."
Now, the foundation cannot be removed. For Christ seals you as His son or daughter if you truly and sincerely accepted Him for who He is. So even if most of what was built on the foundation is wood, hay or straw, the foundation will never be burned and you are still given eternal life in Christ's Kingdom. God is fair.
Just as many rewards are good/ as they have wasted rewards./ hey, wood stubble is wasted rewards. These are Christians, I think most Christians waste their opportunities. Remember there is also some 30 fold, 60 fold, a hundredfold. Paul says the foundation is Christ, how you build on the foundation is up to the Christian. Paul always addresses believers, sometimes Israel.
@@paulrock4816 thats a stretch
what about someone going through fire and being save.
Rich man wanted water and to warn family not to go there; that means he was in Torment! And Frank totally forgets Rev. 20 and all in hell will be thrown into Lake of 🔥 Fire. Guess no torment too. Also Frank Jesus didn't say anything it was Abraham!
OK, how can a drop of water on someone's finger make it through this place called hell? Then, how could a drop of water on a single finger quench someone's thirst? This was an illustration not to be taken literally. Pagan ideals need to stay out of the scriptural message.
The lake if fire about the earth being turned into a virtual lake of fire during Armageddon and the eternal destruction of all of enemies of God and man. No one will be literally tormented or tortured for an eternity but they will be burnt up or destroyed for all eternity.
This whole scripture was a parable, it never happened, it was an illustration, an example. Other scripture proves that you don't go to heaven or hell until Christ returns.
@@teresagoins6264 Exactly!
The way most people think: "With God is like heaven, without God is like hell"
The true reality: With God IS heaven, without God IS hell"
There is nothing in scripture that backs those statements up. God is not heaven. Heaven is a place. And Hell is not a place at least not in the same way as the Bible speaks of it.
@@jeffallanday Hell and Heaven are both places. There is ample Biblical evidence of that
@@jamesbrice6619 So the evidence of there being ample evidence is you saying there is ample evidence?
@Jeff Day yep. Both John and Paul visited Heaven. Jesus talked about the rich man being in Hell. It's a place.
Would you like more?
I think I've heard some atheist speaking "If in Heaven I'm going to meet people like Kent Hovind, Ken Ham, Frank Turek, etc. (although I'm not God so who knows where they'll go to or what they believe in their heart) then I better go to Hell". When you don't want to be with followers of Jesus, you might as well reject Jesus Himself. In a way, God is doing yourself a favor
THERE IS NO PROBLEM WHEN YOU BELIEVE IN JOHN 3:16
THE ONLY PROBLEM IS... IT'S FOUND IN REVELATION 20:15
Thank you
Exactly. An ALL KNOWING Christian God, WHO KNOWS EVERYTHING, but yet forgot to put your name in the “Book Of Life” and will send you to “Hell” it your name wasn’t in it… i be damn…..
The KJV translates both Hades and Gehenna (Lake of Fire) as “Hell,” but they aren’t the same place. Hades is the place for souls awaiting the resurrection. Gehenna is where people who are condemned to the second death go.
It’s written that people will be destroyed in Gehenna. The exception is for immortals like fallen angels, demons; also people who take the mark of the beast, which tells me the mark confers immortality. And that would explain why Revelation says they’ll seek death but not find it.
Many people teach that everyone whose resurrected will be given immortality, but the Bible says that we are mortals and eternal life is a gift. God drove mankind away from the Tree of Life in Genesis, and we don’t see him offering the water of life until the end of the Bible, after the damned are thrown into Gehenna.
And I don’t know where this guy gets his information from, but Strong’s Concordance says the Greek words translated “tormented” is _basanizó,_ which means “torture”. And that makes sense because Gehenna is described as a lake of lava and fire.
Great breakdown i will be taking a closer look at your points. God bless
Saved by Grace So if people are destroyed in Gehenna , does that mean that they’ll have no eternal punishment?
Almighty God makes the rules. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks. Just because someone doesn't agree with God doesn't mean that they don't have to obey Him. God didn't say let's make a deal, He said this is the deal. My eyes were opened when I was saved, everything is clear as crystal now. This life is not the one to concern ourselves with, it's the next one that matters and once you believe in Jesus Christ as your Savior He will give you a peace and understanding like you can't imagine. He only wants us to put our trust in Him and to believe in Him and trust me He will open your eyes and you will be amazed. All of a sudden everything is clear. I can't explain it. It's like you realize everything in the Bible is absolutely true and you know I mean really know that God is real and you know it in your bones and instantly you can't imagine how you didn't realize it before. It is awesome. It's one of His first gifts to us once we put our trust in Him.
God is love yes but He is also just. If you don't want His love you are essentially choosing hell.
Scholars have added that hell word in which makes people believe that its fiery torment place but it should be translated gehenna. Bible states that the dead know nothing at all ecclesiastes 9:5 . When adam and eve disobeyed God told them they will return to dust . So that guy asking a question is right God is love and he wouldn't torment his children . And also in order for to burn you have to have a immortal soul and that to is a lie .
3:55 Hi Doc, please read Machabees "It is a good and wholesome thought to pray for the dead".
Christians don't believe the Apocrypha because it contradicts the rest of the Bible.
@@Malhaloc the deuterocanonical books existed in scripture and the Bible for the first 1500 years of Christianity before they were removed. Every Christian up until the reformation would have believed in all 73 books of the Bible.
Would you be able to explain which parts you think contradict the protocanonical books?
@@maxxyboy1000 Well, lets take a look at Catholic tradition and see where it differs from either version of the Bible. Let's take the Catholic Bible since that's the Bible + DLC. Where does it say to pray to Mary or the saints? Where does it say to pray for the dead? Where does it say anything about a place other than Heaven or Hell (Purgatory).
@@Malhaloc ah, well technically if the first biblical canon had 73 books, then it wouldn't be "DLC". It's modern Bibles that have removed those books.
If we're looking at the full Christian Bible, then the comment you responded to above mentions praying for the dead:
_"for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be absolved from their sin."_ - 2 MACCABEES 12:44-46
The Douay-Rheims Bible translates the last verse to: _"It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins."_
In order to understand this, you need to know what the Catholic teaching on purgatory actually is. Contrary to popular beliefs, the Catholic Church does not definitively say that purgatory is a "place". As nothing impure can enter heaven (Rev. 21:27), and because when we die we're still attached to sin, there has to be some kind of process in which we're "purified". This process could be instantaneous, it could take time, and it could be a place - but neither the Catechism nor the Bible tells us what the process of purification will be, only that one exists.
_"the work of each will come to light, for the Day will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire [itself] will test the quality of each one’s work. If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; _*_the person will be saved, but only as through fire._*_ "_ - 1 Corinthians 3:13-15
This is what the Catechism says:
* _"All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven."_ - CCC1030
* _"The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. the tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:
As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come."_ - CCC1031
To answer your first question, the Bible doesn't directly state to pray to Mary or the Saints. But it also doesn't condemn it either. To find the answer to it you need to look to what the early Christian Church believed. You'll find that the early church fathers all supported the notion that saints would intercede and pray for us.
Let me know if you have any more questions. God bless!
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The bible teaches praying to only God.
Awesome!
3:54 2 Maccabees 12:46, which states: “It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead that they may be loosed from their sins.” Obviously, we would not pray for the dead if they were already in heaven
So god is going to be fair I think this gentlemen has poor judgement.
He knows little about God. No one is tormented after death. They may be tormented while alive though.
That I believe
@@louisjaugustin8673 Yes, he is misrepresenting God. God does not punish people after death. Death is the punishment. Then God will decide whether or not he will resurrect a person. He will be fair in his judgment t to do so. Again, God is love. He does not forever remain vengeful. Ps 30:5, Jer 7:31
What he and others are teaching about God is twisting the real meaning of scriptures. It serves the Devil not a real depiction of God.
As you believe God is and will be fair.
You are not making any sense
Unfortunately this is a poor explanation. Revelation 20 and 21 makes it clear that hell is the second death. So there is no torture for trillions of years. They die after facing the judgment.
If you say no to be a follower of Jesus- who is God- you don't get forced into the existence where he rules. That existence is what is called Heaven. It's a wonderful and interesting and peaceful place full of happy energy because everyone that stays there do it volontarily, fully knowing the Ruler and his loving rules.
If you don't want to be under Gods rulership, meaning not accepting Jesus, you absolutely don't have to! If you don't want to be in heaven God doesn't force you or anyone else.
Accordingly to the Bible, and that the source we have at hand here, those whom don't want to be with Jesus are allowed to stay out of or outside of the Kingdom of Jesus. That outside place is totally emty of love, empathy, help, forgiveness and justice, fairness. No God.
It's pure agony. Pure torment. Totally free of Gods standard.
It's called Hell.
The choice is yours.
Jesus will welcome you without shaming you. He will only be deeply happy to see you!❤
Yes there is a contradiction. Only those who are written in the lambs book of life have eternal life, the wicked perish. Righteously judged and destroyed. God is love.
The lake of fire burns in the the presence of Jesus and the holy angels
It's totally wrong to say that I wouldn't want to live happy forever, that I don't want to believe that there would be someone who would wipe my tears away and nobody wants to live in torment forever. But it is totally another thing to claim without evidence that there's an afterlife or gods or angels or devils or demons or hell or heaven AND that I should believe in them or I will face eternal torment. If your god is love, your god would provide for me this place of eternal happiness without ultimatums and threats of suffering and regardless what I might think about your god. YOU DON'T say to your loved ones that you'll love them only if they do what you want, you love the as they are. Your god is not love.
Even in the parable of the prodigal son the father welcomes his son and doesn't care what he did.
J P God loves us all. That’s why he wants us all to come to Heaven. But he is also JUST. He is the judge of the universe, and his moral law is the Ten Commandments. We have all broken them. There is not one single person who is innocent. We are all guilty, and the punishment for sin is death. However, God has provided a way for us to escape death and have everlasting life. He sent his son Jesus down to earth as a human. He is the only perfect person who was never sinned. He was crucified on the cross and took the punishment for our sins. Just before he died he yelled out “it is finished.” He’s saying the debt has been paid.
It’s as if you’re in court for committing a crime, and you can’t afford the fine that you have to pay, so you’ll be sent to jail. But someone comes along and pays the fine for you: the judge can say “well, you’re guilty of this crime, but someone else paid your fine so you’re free to go”.
God offers this to everyone, no matter what you have done in life. In order to receive this wonderful gift of eternal life, all you have to do is truly repent, genuinely apologize to God for your sins and turn from them, not just say “whoops my bad”, and put your faith and trust in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.
There is no other way to Heaven. Not by good works, not by confessing sins to a priest, not by saying the rosary or praying to Mary or any of these other rituals and practices that a lot of religions practice. There’s only one way, and that’s through repenting to God and putting your faith in Jesus Christ alone.
And to address the parable of the prodigal son, he didn’t just come back and say “my bad”. He has foolishly wasted all of his inheritance money. The only job he could find was taking care of pigs. He was so desperately hungry that he was about to start eating the pig food. He realized the errors of his ways and thought to himself “even my fathers servants eat better than this.” So he went home to beg his fathers forgiveness and ask to be a servant in his household. Of course his father cared what he had done, but he could see how truly sorry and repentant he was, so he welcomed him back home with open arms.
Ecclesiastes 9:5
Frank Turek... Revelation 21:8 - Matthew 13:50 - Jude 1:7
All state that hell is a place of FIERY torment. Its torture. You're wrong. Stop downplaying the seriousness of hell.
Those are figurative terms not to be taken literally. Hellfire is an ancient pagan belief and one the Devil endorses. God is love, not forever vengeful. He is also just. Once a person dies they are simply dead, in non existence.
@@bjm6275 We're talking about the Bible.
@@AdventureSMBW I'm sorry, I'm talking about the holy Bible with God's word in it. I was not talking about the pagan Bible. My badd!
@@bjm6275 Out of curiosity, which translation is your favorite?
@@AdventureSMBW It's definitely not the KJV. That translation is full of inaccuracies, archaic English and generalizations that obscure true scriptural meanings.
As RC Sproul put it, God does not love the sinner [perfectly] until the sinner is justified in Christ. This is where the husband and bride analogy comes in. If the bride is rebellious and cheating on the husband everyday, even if the husband doesn't know and loves her as always, the love within this relationship is essentially imperfect.
Thank you for that woo woo nonsense.
Nothing can separate us from the love of god , even when we sin god still loves us but there is a block between us and god that can only be removed through penance and reconciliation
Hell is the everlasting separation from God and it's up to us whether we want to be with him or not. But remember, Destruction is the Absence of God and all in him is good so hell is the opposite of Joy, Peace and relief.