Caster Semenya wins appeal at European Court of Human Rights over testosterone rules
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2023
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Caster Semenya has won her appeal at the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) to challenge whether her rights had been infringed by rules requiring women athletes with natural high testosterone to reduce those levels through medication.
The ECHR ruled she was discriminated against and there were "serious questions" about the rules' validity. World Athletics, which enforces the regulations, said in reaction to the decision that its rules would remain in place.
Tuesday's decision could force CAS and ultimately World Athletics to re-examine the regulations, although the path and timeline to a possible rollback of the rules is unclear.
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I thought you weren't allowed to take drugs if you want to compete at elite level competitive events.
Not all drugs are banned particularly ones that have no advantage to performance or are for genuine medical usage.
It’s the integrity or lack of it in these athletes that stuns me.
What do u mean? Caster is intersex, was assigned female at birth, raised as female, competed in female sports her whole life, used woman's spaces and has female ganatalia, so what is the issue? The west allows people who "identify" as women to compete with women but put out a set if regulations for an intersex female ( who was born that way). That is discrimination and I'm glad Caster won.
Either create a category for intersex & trans athletes or exclude EVERYONE who is not fully biologically female.
tf you mean this person was born intersex aka a hermaphroditism, shes all natural ...its the men taking drugs for me posing as natural for me but Castor is 100% natural
Thank you,@@nonhlanhlamdluli6803 .
Caster does not have female genitalia. Caster has pseudovaginal perineoscrotal hypospadias (currently: a micropenis). There's no evidence Semenya was socialized as female. @@nonhlanhlamdluli6803
@@nonhlanhlamdluli6803they should ban anyone that isn’t fully female. To ruin this for all full females for 1 person is insane. Sometimes there’s nothing that can be done about a situation.
I would simply not race. I would not play a poker game if I knew someone had the cards marked beforehand.
These athletes have been training all their lives and finally get to the olympics and know it is probably going to be the only time for most of them. Not realistic to expect them to not compete.
This is so foul how they did her
SA keeps winning this week, Springboks,Bafana Bafana, Cameron Saaiman, Dricus du Plessis...Now Caster🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦 We wish her nothing but the best going forward, hope this makes a step in the right direction to being more inclusive in sport
He is a man
@@PepsiMagtshe’s not a trans man who transitioned into womanhood (which if she is i wouldve agreed with you). She’s just a woman born biologically with more testosterone than normal.
@@PepsiMagt 😂Okay
@@JWStheDRAGONVNQSHR he has testicles. He is a man. Look at him.
@@JWStheDRAGONVNQSHRSemenya is intersex - 46 XY DSD. World Athletics, formally IAAF, have ruled that athletes with DSD have to take testosterone suppressant medication for 6 months prior to competing.
I notice the LGBTQ and Feminist are not here to defend this one.... interesting 🤔
Semenya is being championed by many trans activists.who are seeking to use DSD athletes to muddy the waters to allow trans women into elite competition. "Look see sex isn't binary so there shouldn't be an issue with letting us compete".
Are you kidding me, I'm really happy for her. It's just so dumb that we ban people for having an unfair advantage but only in some cases where we find it icky due to them being trans or intersex. If you want to make sports fair, base it on ability and metrics that make a person better or worse at that sport. Similar to weight classes in sports. There we go, now we don't have to argue gender all day long anymore, it's fair, and even if the leagues that pop up for the most part look similar to what they are today, I'm fully okay with that 👍
Caster is 46 XY male with 5ARD, who experienced male puberty and has normal male testosterone levels. Caster is a man. He should not be in women's sports.
It's confusing , because she still can't run in the world championship races under a mile.but i think maybe in the meetings in Europe,?
Im glad she won the appeal. I can never understand how politically you're claiming men have no advantage and allowing born men to compete in women's sport, while at the same time saying hight testosterone is an advantage and trying to ban born women from competing, just because the look manly and have higher than normal testosterone. Its one or the other but it can't be both!!
He has XY genes. His condition ( 5-ARD ) only effects males. He has internal testes. He has literally fathered kids through sperm extraction and artificial insemination into his partner.
True
"She" is XY DSD 5-ARD. Get with reality.
It's thanks to XY people with testes like Semenya that other XY people with testes (the male gonads that produce testosterone and sperm) have been allowed in the female category.
Semenya only was barred on some female competitions because enough XY people with testes were winning over women..
That's cap
I am so happy for Ms. Caster Semenya! As an amateur athlete, I believe that genetics plays a significant role in athletic performance. I would have liked to be taller and have more muscle mass, but my genetics did not support those factors. I imagine that many NBA players who did not win championships during the Michael Jordan era wished they had his genetics. I also believe that it is wrong to make rulings based on genetics. For example, it would be unfair to disqualify someone from a distance runner because their pigmentation makes them more susceptible to skin cancer. Caster hit the genetic jackpot - so what. She still had to put in the work to be an elite runner. Every 4'11" female is not Simone Biles and every 6 male is not Michael Phelps.
He is a man, you moron
" it is wrong to make rulings based on genetics". So why can't men compete against women then? After all men are lucky in a genetic sense in that they were born with testicles, like Semenya, which gives them an advantage in sport. Why should they be discriminated against because of that good luck?
Women are xx. Men are xy. Caster is xxy. Caster is male. This is a fact. World Athletics have confirmed Caster is male.
@@breadgunner Caster’s normal 46 XY diagnosed with 5ARD.
Caster Semenya is intersex, was born with XY chromosomes, and naturally produces more testosterone than most, if not all, females competing with her. While I absolutely accept that she was assigned female at birth and identifies that way, it still can't be denied that Semenya has clear biological differences and natural advantages over other female athletes. Sport is, or should be, about fair play and fair competition. It's not Semenya's fault that she is intersex, but it is also not the fault of other female athletes competing with her that she very clearly has natural advantages over them which ultimately, no matter what way you look at it, is not entirely fair.
There's a doubt Semenya identifies as a woman much outside of sports. S/he keeps a low profile, but has fathered two children and appears much more comfortable with a masculine presentation.
This is just a question, but if you say natural physical adaptation that create competitive advantages like naturally producing more testosterone than most creates an unfair advantage doesn't this take us to murky territory where other naturally occurring advantages like height, or something similar to Caster, are used to discriminate against athletes? I guess my question is where do we draw the line, for a girl like Caster who dreams of being a competitive runner, in light this ruling that affirms that what World Atletics is asking her to do to live that dreams discriminates against who she is what is the answer simple no, you are a "freak" you may not?
@@TeaandephemeryI know she has a wife but how did Caster father her children?
@@bandile126 We categorize based upon biological sex since we know that T is the primary difference that has a huge statistical difference in performance. Within those two categories we celebrate biological advantages thus we don't categorize based upon height, etc. "She" is XY 5-ARD - a male with a DSD.
@@veridicusmaximus6010 this speaks to one aspect of my question which was stated only as an example, Caster was previously "assessed" in 2009, as demeaning as that sounds, and cleared to compete after the tests to answer additional comment...
They were jealous and Im sure they are still jealous.😢
True same way I have to stop play sports because they put something in my body to make me get weak they mash up my career should have get money from them jealousy cause people to do those things.
Yeah
They are Always judging black people peoples body or look
@@oumousarr3519 broo
Caster Semenya is biological a man because of the XY chromosomes.
So a woman who was born with a vagina must be assigned male because they have a XY chromosome even though she wasn't born with a penis?
@BabeyCapricorn I think you need to look up intersex cases. They are not born with a "vagina". Some have surgery at birth because it actually hard to tell. They genitalia are underdeveloped, so doctor assigned them female because they think it might make their lives easier.
Being a woman has nothing to do with chromosomes
@@valarcon9132 You made may day. Probably all scientists are stupid. 🤡
This reporter has outright lied.
Caster is not "known as DSD". Caster "has a DSD".
Caster is not "classed as a female". Caster was incorrectly assigned female.
Caster was not "born with female genitalia." Caster was born with "ambiguous looking genitalia."
Caster has levels of testosterone associated with a man because Caster biologically is one.
Caster's testosterone levels are irrelevant to ruling out competing in women's sports. The fact Caster is biologically male is relevant.
You're somewhat correct.
Caster has 46XY DSD so is Genetically Male
She does however, have a vagina ( not "female" looking). This is how she began competing in women's sports in SA and her sex verification test in 2009 when she first became famous confirmed that she has a vagaina, so they cleared her to compete.
Her medical reports were leaked and revealed that she is in fact, intersex ( 46 XY DSD)
She wasn't "incorrectly assigned female" as her external ganatalia IS FEMALE
Her genetics however, are Male, plus she has no womb but has underdeveloped internal testes.
The issue then is how is sex defined? If it is by ganatalia then Caster is female, if it by chromosomes, then she is male🤷♀️
It is a fascinating and tricky situation
@@nonhlanhlamdluli6803 your sex is defined by the developments pathway the body takes to deliver gametes. CS is not biologically male due to the presence of XY chromosomes, rather it is due to the fact there are testes present (rather than ovaries), thus small gametes are potentially able to develop (sperm).
The vagina and penis are the typical vehicles for the delivery, but in DSDs, they are not the definer. Gonads are.
Shouldn't she have retired by now?
Nope, she’s still young and ready to scare you
Wonderful semenya❤
This Europion are so cruel, I'm so so mad, I'm sorry Caster, South African love you, hang in there my child😭😭😭
It’s discriminatory ofcourse. She’s naturally intersex, not her fault.
He is also a man
@@PepsiMagtand his wife is expecting a baby I'm told
@@novagoodyearThat would make it their third one then.
Yep, it's a justified discrimination. "She" is XY 5-ARD - biologically a male with a DSD. Certainly not her fault but this is not about whose fault it is - men should not be competing with woman.
Happy for her she is a natural beauty
Lost so much of her career because of this nonsense, and they let transgeders compete with females. Criminal
They don't let them though do they lol
Semenya is allowed to compete with females as well by taking the same androgen blockers that transwomen take for the exact same reasons (Semenya has testicles).
@@natashabegley1346 ignorance at its best good for you moron
It's very funny that you're too dumb to realize this ruling is a win for the .00001% of trans athletes that exist.
Caster is a man
they wasted her golden time.
A todos los que la discriminaron pregunto: si fuera blanca le habría pasado lo mismo??
Let her compete... She was born like this.
He was born as a man, yes
@@PepsiMagtthe video literally said she was born with female genitalia
@@Jason88215 well, he wasn't. He has testicles and a Y-chromosome.
@@PepsiMagt dumbass
He has biological kids with another woman, he's a man
They are jealous as Always
On the face of it I have sympathy as it looks like some great injustice, but further you look into it the ban makes perfect sense. The science strongly backs her body being much more male like which is same reason trans men aren't allowed in as you frankly just can't compete against that. I mean the fact she has 2 kids with her wife & socially identifies as a male says a lot, she's capable of producing sperm with internal testes but no womb or ovaries which most women have. Again she could compete by taking meds to reduce her testesorne to a normal level but chooses not to as clearly even she understands where her advantage comes from.
I would go as far as to say that racism played a role in how she has been treated. SMDH.
Caster Semenya is a man.
I strongly believe so too
@@andraetaylor1307 excluding a man from women's sports isn't racism
@@PepsiMagt: And you’re an animal.
@@blackmagic6 cry is free, loser
Fair play to him
It's pretty much impossible to do the 'right thing' in this case. I do have a little issue with it though... Would she be refusing to lower her testosterone if she wasn't a pro athlete? Or would she happily go with the hormone treatment like any trans female does?
It's hard not to think she's very happy to have that massive advantage in sporting terms. If she acknowledges that she has a male hormone profile and doesn't want to get the therapy to be more female, as she identifies... She should volunteer to compete with the men, as she is choosing to remain biologically male.
I feel incredibly sorry for her, it must be humiliating, but she knows full well that she has a massive advantage, and refuses to give it up. As I say, impossible to do the right thing.
I agree, it is impossible to do what is considered the "right thing" here. She is intersex, has XY chromosomes, produces more testosterone and therefore as you say has substantial natural advantages over other female athletes. I fully support her right to be recognised and identify as female, however, it can't be denied that she has substantial advantages and biological differences. Sport is about fair play - how is it fair play when she is at a clear natural advantage compared to other female athletes who do not have a Y in their chromosomal make-up?
The right thing is stopping pretending a XY person with male gonads is a woman because he didn't develop typically.
Allowing males like Semenya to participate harms women and sends the message that for society women are still "half formed men".
She doesn't identify so,she was assigned female at birth
@@Abdihakeem254 was raised as a boy, married a woman, fathered children with said woman...yeah, nope.
Also, it doesn't matter that someone mistook a boy for a girl, girls aren't incomplete boys.
@@Abdihakeem254 he was male at birth, he is male now, and will be male when he dies
The people ruling in her favor should conduct games for her to play
As long as am concern , she's not a woman, if she's intersex and has biological kids with another woman
P. S
Barbara Banda from Zambia needs to be excluded too from this world cup, with the same case
Another triumph for women's sports!
I didn't know that allowing an intersex athlete with XY chromosomes and substantial natural advantages over most, if not all, female athletes competing with them constitutes a "triumph for women's sports!" but there you go.
By letting a dude in woman sport to beat females. Yeah, truly a triump indeed.
@@user-hp8mr9wk4t You may detect a tiny hint of sarcasm . . .
@@donaldduck4888 😂My bad I genuinely thought you were being serious. The sarcasm escaped me lol.
@@user-hp8mr9wk4t the world has gone so mad it is virtually impossible to satirise it.
They've ruined her career. SMDH.
He is a man
I will continue to fight for my right to cheat.
i want be honest.. in 20 years athletics will be just a memory, like fox hunting. 🦊
@@gnubbolo I could go fox hunting tomorrow if I wanted to.
So he's gonna be allowed in womens locker changing rooms 😂😂😂😂😂😂 ei what's is this world coming GOD is gonna unleash his wrath 🙌🙏
It's a woman tho
He is so inspiring
Hoping to see this bloke compete again.
Hopefully you two tie the knot as you’re that way inclined. 😂
@@CEO786Too late Semenya is married to a woman and they've got two kids.