After covering the Dominican Republic, I'm conflicted to want Robert to cover Puerto Rico, because I think people would be genuinely shocked how a country can beat a dead horse for over a hundred years. But I kinda don't want them to cover it because Roberts pronunciation of Puerto Rico irritates me.
King Lepold of Belgium is Mike Jordan of Dics.Killed aroing 70 millon in Congo. Mao is worse than Hitler, victim wise. Stalin. Then maybe Hitler. But he mostly killed what we comsidered "white" victims, so, we see it as worse. People of Color have suffered much worse. During WWII the British starved out India to feed the war effort. 15-20 million Indians died. The population of Great Britian at that time was 50 million. So, about 2-3 lindian lives to save one British. Speaking of Indigenous, close to 70 million killed in the US. What a destiny to manifest.
Qadaffi Saddam Mubarak Stalin Mussolini Franco Salazar (Portugal) Mobutu (Congo/Zaire) Trujillo Marcos (Philippines) the Somoza family (Nicaragua) the Kim family (North Korea) the Assad family (Syria) Afwerki (Eritrea) al-Bashir (Sudan) You could also arguably throw Putin up there, he's at about 23-24 years in charge of Russia, one way or another. Those are just off the top of my head, and doesn't include monarchies. They all lasted over 20 years, most were 30+, and a bunch are still on-going. Sure the really crazy ones like Hitler and Amin didn't last long... but lots did.
Right but many dictators aren't the famous names like those, and only end up lasting a fraction as long. To last 30 years as a dictator is a grimly impressive feat in any case
@@corvuscallosum5079 I think you missed my point. Most dictators DO in fact last pretty long. The ones who don't last long are usually because they pissed off their neighbors - that's what happened to Hitler, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Kabila (Congo/Zaire), and Charles Taylor (Liberia). Being a noteworthy name is irrelevant. The fact is, it's quite common for dictators to reign for 20+ years. The other issue is that a bunch of the names on the above list (such as Mobutu, Marcos, the Somozas, Trujillo, even Franco to a degree) were backed by the US (and/or the UK). If the US (or UK) doesn't like you, you're pure evil and must be destroyed. If the US likes you... you're fine and we'll overlook your awful policies and murders because we irrationally hate socialism. Hell, the US was generally ok with Hitler until Kristallnacht and didn't fully cut off economic ties until the aftermath of Pearl Harbor - that's right, for nearly 10 years the US was fine with doing business with Nazi Germany (which only lasted 12 years and change). Likewise, we didn't have a problem with Saddam until we suddenly decided we didn't like him in the late 1980s. I also forgot Pinochet for some reason (over 26 years in power, also US-backed), Syngman Rhee (US-backed dictator of South Korea for over 20 years), and Porfirio Diaz (US-backed dictator of Mexico for about 40 years in late 1800s/early 1900s). I don't know why but I also forgot all the Warsaw Pact dictators like Ceausescu, Tito, and Hoxha who benefited from USSR support (even if it was temporary in the latter two cases). They similarly lasted for decades (1945 to the 1980s).
I don't think I missed your point, I think I disagreed. There's a huge familiarity bias at play here because people who only last as a dictator for a year before being couped are a lot less likely to be recognized names. That said I could still be wrong, especially depending on how you precisely define a dictator. Also you seem to think I disagree with you regarding the important role the US and other powers play in propping up dictatorships, when actually I'm on the same page you are there. And just to add to your list there's Mugabe in Zimbabwe, the Duvaliers in Haiti, Chiang Kai-shek in Taiwan, and Stroessner in Paraguay. Finally, it's a minor issue but I don't believe Rhee made it very close to 20 years, though he did a lot of damage in his time.
@@corvuscallosum5079 I suppose I can concede that there's that point - so essentially if a dictator makes it past a year or two, it's pretty common for them to last for decades. But if a dictator only stays in power for 1-3 years or less, are they really a dictator? Or are they just a shitty person who tried to become a dictator and failed? And you're right about Rhee. Apparently I misremembered when he left power, thinking it was later than it actually was. He only made it about 12 years. I left out the Duvaliers because Robert mentions them a bit in this podcast.
@@TheDarthbinky Yeah I think a major part of this question depends on how exactly one chooses to define a dictator, which is not a question I can pretend to have an objective answer to.
Trujillo ruled for30 years, the island is called Santo Domingo/ Saint Domingue (Hispanolia is a colonial debated name you don't call New York New Amsterdam or Manna-hata so don't call it Hispaniola)
After covering the Dominican Republic, I'm conflicted to want Robert to cover Puerto Rico, because I think people would be genuinely shocked how a country can beat a dead horse for over a hundred years. But I kinda don't want them to cover it because Roberts pronunciation of Puerto Rico irritates me.
I am Haitian American born in Boston, Massachusetts. 🇭🇹🇺🇲
21:18 The irony of the "they wouldn't know what to do with autonomy" attitude is that it sounds to me like they knew EXACTLY what to do with autonomy.
Trujillo is out there playing Fallout in the real world. He's just looking for the star caps to claim the Sunset Sarsparilla prize
I came here to say this.
Do you guys have a list of sources anywhere? Im working on a research paper and Id love to see what resources you guys looked at for reasearch.
King Lepold of Belgium is Mike Jordan of Dics.Killed aroing 70 millon in Congo. Mao is worse than Hitler, victim wise. Stalin. Then maybe Hitler. But he mostly killed what we comsidered "white" victims, so, we see it as worse. People of Color have suffered much worse. During WWII the British starved out India to feed the war effort. 15-20 million Indians died. The population of Great Britian at that time was 50 million. So, about 2-3 lindian lives to save one British. Speaking of Indigenous, close to 70 million killed in the US. What a destiny to manifest.
Growing up, I was told that if there was ever a problem don't call the police - call my uncles instead and they will take care of it. And they did.
Qadaffi
Saddam
Mubarak
Stalin
Mussolini
Franco
Salazar (Portugal)
Mobutu (Congo/Zaire)
Trujillo
Marcos (Philippines)
the Somoza family (Nicaragua)
the Kim family (North Korea)
the Assad family (Syria)
Afwerki (Eritrea)
al-Bashir (Sudan)
You could also arguably throw Putin up there, he's at about 23-24 years in charge of Russia, one way or another.
Those are just off the top of my head, and doesn't include monarchies. They all lasted over 20 years, most were 30+, and a bunch are still on-going. Sure the really crazy ones like Hitler and Amin didn't last long... but lots did.
Right but many dictators aren't the famous names like those, and only end up lasting a fraction as long. To last 30 years as a dictator is a grimly impressive feat in any case
@@corvuscallosum5079 I think you missed my point. Most dictators DO in fact last pretty long. The ones who don't last long are usually because they pissed off their neighbors - that's what happened to Hitler, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Kabila (Congo/Zaire), and Charles Taylor (Liberia). Being a noteworthy name is irrelevant. The fact is, it's quite common for dictators to reign for 20+ years.
The other issue is that a bunch of the names on the above list (such as Mobutu, Marcos, the Somozas, Trujillo, even Franco to a degree) were backed by the US (and/or the UK). If the US (or UK) doesn't like you, you're pure evil and must be destroyed. If the US likes you... you're fine and we'll overlook your awful policies and murders because we irrationally hate socialism. Hell, the US was generally ok with Hitler until Kristallnacht and didn't fully cut off economic ties until the aftermath of Pearl Harbor - that's right, for nearly 10 years the US was fine with doing business with Nazi Germany (which only lasted 12 years and change). Likewise, we didn't have a problem with Saddam until we suddenly decided we didn't like him in the late 1980s.
I also forgot Pinochet for some reason (over 26 years in power, also US-backed), Syngman Rhee (US-backed dictator of South Korea for over 20 years), and Porfirio Diaz (US-backed dictator of Mexico for about 40 years in late 1800s/early 1900s). I don't know why but I also forgot all the Warsaw Pact dictators like Ceausescu, Tito, and Hoxha who benefited from USSR support (even if it was temporary in the latter two cases). They similarly lasted for decades (1945 to the 1980s).
I don't think I missed your point, I think I disagreed. There's a huge familiarity bias at play here because people who only last as a dictator for a year before being couped are a lot less likely to be recognized names. That said I could still be wrong, especially depending on how you precisely define a dictator. Also you seem to think I disagree with you regarding the important role the US and other powers play in propping up dictatorships, when actually I'm on the same page you are there.
And just to add to your list there's Mugabe in Zimbabwe, the Duvaliers in Haiti, Chiang Kai-shek in Taiwan, and Stroessner in Paraguay.
Finally, it's a minor issue but I don't believe Rhee made it very close to 20 years, though he did a lot of damage in his time.
@@corvuscallosum5079 I suppose I can concede that there's that point - so essentially if a dictator makes it past a year or two, it's pretty common for them to last for decades. But if a dictator only stays in power for 1-3 years or less, are they really a dictator? Or are they just a shitty person who tried to become a dictator and failed?
And you're right about Rhee. Apparently I misremembered when he left power, thinking it was later than it actually was. He only made it about 12 years. I left out the Duvaliers because Robert mentions them a bit in this podcast.
@@TheDarthbinky Yeah I think a major part of this question depends on how exactly one chooses to define a dictator, which is not a question I can pretend to have an objective answer to.
Trujillo ruled for30 years, the island is called Santo Domingo/ Saint Domingue (Hispanolia is a colonial debated name you don't call New York New Amsterdam or Manna-hata so don't call it Hispaniola)
Aren't Santo Domingo and Saint Domingue colonial names as well?
@Egualde
They’re ALL colonial names.
@@corvuscallosum5079Thank you. Egualde is an idiot.
"The Scottie Pippen of Right Wing Dictators." 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂...
Dominican Republic was a Spanish colony THREE TIMES.
If this happened during the cold war those 3 million guns would be on display at gunshows in Florida.