I recently bought the Suzuki GSX-8R after heavily comparing it to the Daytona 660. In the end the Suzuki was more what I wanted, basically naked bike ergonomics with some wind protection and enough power to be entertaining on the street.
I got the gsx8r for my 2nd bike because I do everything. I drive 100 miles on interstate to work. Weekends I hit twists. One day I plan to go in a long ride.
How do u do it. Ill be honest im fussy and wanna ride my bike to and from work. But i always come up with excuses like its too cold (i start work at 4am) or ill be too sweaty after work etc etc. It sucks because wanting to learn to ride may have saved my life years ago
@@temperspace Idk I love the feeling. Just Friday I rode home in pouring rain with no rain gear. I haven't had time to pick up a set of rain gear. I rode in freezing weather last year a couple of times. Honestly I just do it. May be the stubborn in me. 😆
2023 CBR650R owner here. I choose the Honda because of the inline 4 engine, build quality and fit & finish. Hondas general reliability level and I think it’s gorgeous in Grand Prix red. My use case is some commuting and some twisty weekend roads so it fits me well. My 1st big bike coming from a CB300R too. I think all the bikes in the category are probably fabulous in there own way each have there pros & cons.
2023 cbr650r owner 🤚 after putting a yoshimura full exhaust, k&n high flow air filter and going 1 tooth down in the front sprocket 15 to a 14, all I can say is that it really pulls and still haven’t gotten it tuned but I wonder how the bike will perform after. I raced a 2006 cbr600 with power commander tune and couple of mods and gapped him. We did 60 rolls on 2nd and 3rd gear. We also did a roll where he was on 2nd gear and I was on 3rd and still took him on. Honestly I thought I would lose to the 600 because it’s a 600 but we both were shocked of what the 650 can do. Cbr650r is very underrated lol
@@bboykiddblack i disagree tbh buy a twin 650 as your first bike and you'll get a much better value and wont get bored of it in a year like most who buy 250s, 300s, and twin 400's
2022 zx6r rider here, Test rode the daytona 660 at a triumph demo day event last weekend. If I was in the market for a new fully faired sport bike for street use, it would be #1 on my list. I had the biggest smile on my face. That triple sounds so sexy.
@rns6889 Yeah I agree with you. I can only tell you my experience with it. And my experience was awesome 😎. I see the biggest complaint from everyone isn't so much the bike itself, but the name, more than anything.
'21 ZX-6R here, and came to the same conclusion. Yeah, I've got a problem with the name, and I have a problem with the frame (fake twin spar plastics, are you fucking kidding me?), but other than that, the 660 is ALMOST what I want out of a sport bike. I love my bike, but there are things I would change, such as the jerky throttle. Maybe an ECU flash with decell cutoff disabled would help, but I most just miss late '90s, early aughts carbureted bikes. Been on a hunt for a good condition 2000-2003 ZX-9R for quite some time.
Same here ... also the owner of a 2022 ZX-6R ... test drive of the Daytona 660 impressed me too> Not a perfect bike.... but as a comfortable daily driver with easy handling and decent acceleration below 100 MPH, it is hard to beat.
Got myself a gsx8r last week. Did a ton of research and checked used bikes online but all i wanted was the 8r. I got the silver with the red wheels. Love the looks and just got my tail tidy for it, cant wait to tear that dumb fender off lol have an acro exhaust coming too. Very excited! Im happy i chose this bike
I bought the GSX S750 4 years ago as a "step down" from my super sport and haven't regretted it a day since. The engine is technically "detuned" which means giving it a lot more torque in the useful RMP ranges at the expense of top end power you weren't using anyway. If you love supersport inline 4s but want something with more torque that's better on the actual streets this bike is perfect.
@@TheSteveSteele Last I checked on on Suzuki’s website they were still selling them in 2024. Maybe you could trying checking around different dealerships.
Unpopular opinion…when you’re dealing with bikes that can go as fast as these, especially fully fared bikes…some extra weight really helps with stability at speed in straight lines and with very little handling cost if any. Especially if you’re wanting a fully fared bike, but it’s so relaxed you won’t be getting the normal Supersport rake and trail etc…some weight will help make up for that lack of straight line stability you would otherwise have with a proper 600 or 750
If true, a very useful insight. I can get caught up on the spec sheet power / weight and then often feel disappointed when doing comparisons.. ultimately it's a silly concern
@@gabrieltiso8537 what do you mean feel disappointed when doing comparisons? As in compared to the spec sheet you’re not noticing the difference you expected? Yea that’s a common thing. Especially for horsepower. Generally speaking torque is what you feel, especially low down torque in low rpm’s, and horsepower is more the top end speed (gross oversimplification but still) but spec sheets also assume you’re capable and willing to ride like a champ when doing 0-60 for example. If you never dump the clutch or you do more of your playing around on bikes from 40-80 than 0-40ish than obviously the 0-60 spec is largely meaningless to u for your needs and you should be looking more to the middle and top of the dyno graph for example. As for stability, yea so the geometry is the biggest determining factor, a proper sports bike is super stable at high speeds and a naked or comfort oriented sport bike is much less so, that’s going to be true even if the sports bike weighs less than the others, but the point is if you’re comparing for example a z400 and a z900 or a r3 Vs r7 etc the higher weight of the z900 or r7 will make the stability at speed feel much better and the bike more planted etc. than the z400 or the r3 would. so weight won’t won’t make it as planted as a supersport but the heavier bike of a given design will typically be more stable at speed compared to its ultralight little brother which will get tossed around the road a lot easier at speed.
@@MarissaTheMuse wow appreciate the report and that makes sense to me. It's silly for me to be disappointed because I'm not a capable enough rider for it to matter. When faced with trying to decide on a do everything bike (only bike) it's desirable to see a strong intersection of: exciting, practical, reliable, economical etc.. been looking at the gsxs1000 f 👀 and I'm actually worried it's too heavy lol Then again I've only ridden dual sport / super moto 🤷♂️
@@gabrieltiso8537 what’s your age, sex, height, and weight? Are you in the USA? What state? Do you plan to get full coverage insurance? Do you make a fair bit of money to where insurance cost doesn’t matter much or? Will you be paying cash or financing? Any down payment? What’s your credit score? In my experience if you step away from the bike comparisons, as fun as they are, and think a bit more practical that can help you narrow it down. I eliminated a lot of bikes I was interested in from insurance cost alone
@@MarissaTheMuse ha! True, insurance is a killer all good points for sure. A 1000 is probably too costly for my budget. If KTM can figure out how to keep their fluids from leaking they're new SMT could be it 🤘
All depends on what you’re looking for. Lots of great bikes right know. I have a cbr650r and love it. He’s right about the lack of low down torque but that’s not what I want. I’m on the “four lane” a lot and I want my bike to “cruise” at highway speeds easily and since it has a top end of about 150 mph then 85 to 100+ is a breeze for it. And it’s pretty comfy and that’s important for an “old guy” like me😜. I know Yammie doesn’t care for the cbr and I probably wouldn’t either if I wanted what he does. It’s all about choices.
I got an 8r as my first bike. Bout a month riding in. Only complaint is the sound. I originally wanted an s750 but I thought I'd be biting more than I can chew and I can say I'm pretty happy. It's much like you said. It's good in a lot of things just not super at anything. Which for me just feels great to be able to feel out riding without feeling like I'm held back by the bikes capabilites
Here's the latest results of a inventory search of the closest RideNow Powersports. Showroom prices are considerably different than retail so worth looking around, especially if your interested in an 8 series Suzuki! All are new 2024 models. CFMoto 800NK - $8495 Kawasaki Z900 - $8495 Suzuki GSX 8R - $7949 Suzuki GSX 8S - $5995 Yamaha MT07 - $7495 Yamaha MT09 - $9895 Yamaha XSR900 - $8995
I tried the Daytona 660 last wednesday. A great bike, and pretty comfortable to ride. The ergonomics are just like on the Ducatt Supersport. I own a Tiger Sport 660 myself, and I can say the upgraded engine on the Daytona are noticeable. I'll bet you love it Yammie.
@@caj.potato I would considered myself a dissatisfied customer of KTM. My 2022 RC has been down since the start of ownership, it throws a misfire code and the mechanics blamed it on the tail tidy I had installed. Took it back they insist on installing stock tail to clear this problem. Now I’m not saying my wiring was the best but come on, there is something seriously wrong with the bike because it’s been underperforming and not even capable of doing highway speeds.
I’m getting the impression that these videos are useless. There is no wrong answer. If you’re really about to drop near enough 10k. Take the time to test ride each of them. Buy whichever you like. There is no wrong answer
I haven’t ridden in over 6 years. My last bike was a 2016 ZX-6R. I also owned a FZ-07, FZ-09, and Bandit. I thinking about getting back into riding and honestly I think the Trident is the way to go for me. That thing looks cool and I always liked the whistle of a Triumph bike.
I got GSXS-750 as my second bike and have no regrets. I use it as a commuter for about 70 miles back and forth. It's great value for someone that doesn't like the fully faired bikes, quick and fun, just not as nimble as most other naked bikes.
The Rs 660 is the king of the segment, it stand above all these other bikes in everything: power, eletronics, brakes, frame, power/weight ratio, quality, the only problem is the higher price, but since you are getting an higher quality vehicle it's fair
its funny that not many people are talking about it in the comments. its clearly the winner in this segment given its features. i guess people are too afraid to invest in something that has incredible resale value
I have a ZX4RR that I got last May. I do everything with it. Commute and tour. Just passed the year mark and have about 10k on it. Love it. It’s not without its flaws but you forget them when it screams.
@@PartyChicken407 No problem. I wish the seat were more comfortable or at least there were options. The paint on the bike and rims is very thin. I have a chip on the tank that I cannot figure out how it got there. The wheels chip very easily. The fairing has some chips through the clear. I know I ride a lot but I just never expected that. My biggest gripe is not getting the bike the way the rest of the world did but, I’ll deal with a de tuned bike if it means I can hear a high revving 4 and not break the speed limit. Its flaws a few and the positives are much more than the negatives. I love it and have a hard time finding a bike to replace it with.
I'm 53 and have (sometimes excruciating) sciatica pain. I have always loved the look of a sport bike, but I've always been a cruiser rider at my core E.g I just wanna ride to nowhere and take my time getting there. 😂 I can do that with the GSX8R, and look good doing it 😂😎
My first bike, a Yamaha fzs600 fazer, a tuned down R6 engine was already at 95 hp. 25 years ago. Progress is definitely in other departments than performance.
Great video. 11:49 Yup, MT-09... Yamaha hit a real home run with this bike and have just made it better every year. Those Gsx-s 750 Suzuki's can defintely be had for super great prices.
I just rode the Daytona 660 recently and it's a lot different feeling than the Trident, much more of a performance sports bike - maybe even a step forward compared to a Daytona 675 bike - I know hard to believe but, I think Triumph has pulled that off!
A reason to go for the Suzuki is the ergos. It has a nearly naked bike upright position, which I personally find appealing. I love the Honda but I’d like the bars to be about an inch higher.
i got the 8S as my first bike bc im 6ft5 and i narrowed it down to 8s or MT07 but the 8s came standard with quickshift and felt slightly roomier so that sold it for me
I want full faired and not to powerful because I don't race and I'm still a beginner with two seasons under my belt on a shadow 750, the 8r is a lot torquer than my first bike
The GSX 8S is awesome. I prefer it to the 8R when I demoed them. As an all around bike, I’d rather ride the naked version all day. The seat was way more comfortable than I thought it would be.
I bought the rs660 as a first bike, a year later a panigale V4S as a second bike, and now im looking for a middle weight bike to convert into a full blown dedicated track bike. The more i look into it the more i come to realize, i already own the best middle weight bike out there....
Love my Triumph Street Triple RS. Not really a competitor to the Suzuki, but I wasn’t looking for a newbie bike. I really wanted a solid middleweight naked that could street or track. When I test rode, I just fell in love.
My only issue with the mt-09 is it feels like a 90’s civic with a big turbo. It’s great performance wise but didn’t change that it feels super cheap and not special at all as far as materials and looks etc. I’d want to replace every component with higher quality including the frame to consider keeping it forever
@@judge831 yea you can do a lot to the Yamaha with the money you save, in fairness, including upgrading the beers and levers and rearsets etc to be at or above Honda quality. But as is from factory there’s lots of little bits and details that make the Honda feel more quality. I’ve been meaning to refresh my memory, do you happen to know if any the cbr650r’s were compatible with slip ons or did they always have the all in one exhaust design the recent years have had? I don’t recall, but I’m potentially interested in one from the last year it could take slip ons, assuming that’s not super far back to a different design entirely or something.
I really like the GSX-S750. Almost bought one. Too bad Suzuki stopped making them. I think the 8S and 8R are the replacements for that bike, not the SV650. From this list I like the 2025 8R and the Aprillia RS650, CBR650 or Z900.
The GSX-s750 is a great first motorcycle. It isn't too punchy in the low end. It has good handling and brakes well. I'm sure you can say that about several of these bikes too. Respect the machine. And you'll save money on having to do a trade in on your 300 because your weight is the same as the bike's displacement and a firm breeze won't allow you above 55.
Riding a nake bike without any windscreen is just silly on the highway, your like a sail or if your clothes are not tight enough, a parachute. After driving MT09, while fast as heck, the GSX8R is what i went with and is so comfortable and totally fast enough to kill me in 2 seconds flat, so very fast also. This constant focus on wheelies on a street bike has me confused. If you want to wheelie all the time, try trail bike. Way more fun that area.
don't do it, save money and buy it new because it's a new engine that Aprilia launched in 2021 so having 3 years to fix the problems is a big deal and the 2 year warranty is a must for an Italian bike
you should view these italian bikes like a Ferrari, you don't buy a Ferrari for reliability, you buy it because it's a Ferrari and same goes for Aprilia, buy the bike new and ride it for 3-4 years then sell it and buy new again otherwise you will have a lot of headaches and it will cost you a lot of money, Aprilia parts are insanely expensive
Nice. I found an acid gold 2022 with 900 miles and paid $7,800 cash. It had been dropped at very low speed and had some minor cosmetic damage to the left side faring. Love the bike so far!
As a daytona 660 owner whos test riden all of these i would say the daytona put the biggest smile on my face i didnt care for the r7 the gsx8r was tied with the cbr 650 for me but Triumph took the cake
Cool to see. But ... the RS 660 costs 30% more than the 8R where I live so not in the same market. You can buy a Street triple RS for the list price or R for a discounted RS660 price. No competition in my view, although the Triumph is obviously naked. The GSX S750 is 16% cheaper where I live, quicker at the top, but the torque is flat in low revs, the dash is like a Casio, no quick shifter and you have to chase the power. Great bike though The R7 is slower than the 8R and no auto blipper. A slow track bike? The Honda is also flat down low, the dash is ok and no quick shifter. Feels way less punchy for everyday riding.
So I've had a Ninja 650 for two years as my first bike and I've been looking at some of these as an upgrade. I'm leaning towards the XSR900 because I like the styling over the MT-09 but would the CBR and Daytona be much of an upgrade? Other than the engines, they seem similar to the Ninja in terms of tech and stuff? I could upgrade to something like the CBR/Daytona now to get more experience and improve my riding, and then go XSR in a few years. Or I could go straight for the XSR. I'd be keeping it for years either way
I just got back into riding after being away for 10 years and recently bought a 2024 Kawasaki Ninja 500 a couple months ago and absolutely love the bike. However, most of my riding is highway at 80+ Mph and the poor 500 is screaming at that speed. I am considering upgrading to a Z900, MT09 or GSX8R. Its so hard to narrow it down but your video really helped. I just fear the Z900 and the MT09 will be harsh to ride at that speed with the wind.
Your comment is very interesting to me because I haven’t been riding for about 12 years and I’m considering the Ninja 500 or 650. Most of my riding would also be on the highway but I do have to put up with traffic and lane splitting is legal in California.
Just bought a Z900 Wednesday (used 2022, cash private sale) and at 80 mph it’s perfectly fine. Past 100 it gets a bit much in terms of the wind pushing your head back, and it’ll go a lot past 100, it’d just getting warmed up... But at 80 it is comfortable. It sits like a Ninja 400 I rode, a bit more leaned forward than an MT09 but not at all uncomfortable. The Z900 is an excellent ride, my commute is 100 miles round trip and I’ve already put almost 500 miles on it since Wednesday.
@@humbertogonzalez7505 The 500 is an amazing bike and I love every aspect of it. I have already put 2500 Miles on mine. I have the Red ABS model and it turns head wherever I go. I was concerned going back to a beginner bike was not going to be fun but I was wrong its a lightweight fun little machine that is more than capable of doing it all even 6th gear pulls to get away from trraffic. Only reason I am considering upgrading is I live in FL where if you aren't doing 20 over the speed limit on the interstate you are going to get run over. In 6th Gear at 80 MPH its revving to 8.5K RPM which is fine but I want something a bit smoother I can enjoy.
Hey Yammie, which bike out of this bunch would you pick for a long distance journey? I'm afraid I'm late but I'd still like to have your opinion on it. Thanks!
Im an ex zx7r (1992), current gixxerbro of a 600( 2 year old model sitting in show room for 8g out the door, how could i say no). But im getting older @45 and sport bikes maybe a love, its still an ouch in age, bulge discs, arthritis, not going to stop though, just need a tewk to my ride to stay on the road with some past hooligan still in me. These vids definitely help, i dont actually care about size, i am too old to impress anyone, just need a machine to make smile when i feel like doing something stupid, yet live with every day and do highways in the north. My question is could the CBR650 still give me the gixxer hooligan spirit from time to time and care my old decrepit ass 475km down the road for work season (seasonal worker) and ve a joy on my time off, ( yes i take 6months off a year, so stupid fun without the pain is my ultimate question, as i have only 1 bike space in my life, the unicorn.)
Ah I'm so torn.. currently have a 2020 Ninja 400 and these are definitely some of the bikes I've been eyeing. Especially the Cbr650r, Daytona 660, and maybe the 8r. Cbr for that inline 4 scream machine and sexy looks ( especially in black 🖤 ), Daytona for good power low down and high, and the 8r for instant torque plus cool features.. 🤔😬
For the price of the ZX4RR you would expect Kawasaki to up the anti to actually give you adjustable suspension. It's the biggest let down for the bike. Better off to buy the 636
thanks, very good vid. I appreciate a lot your comments, I'm wondering wich one to buy and I got to the same point than you. A Gsx 8r or a CBr 650r or a Mt09
I wish you could discuss why fairings matter or don't matter. My Rider experience is anything above 50 mph is better with fairings. On a track, or a quiet well-known twisty road, The experience with fairings is vastly better for me, which is unfortunate because I really like the look of naked bikes. Aesthetically, I don't like fairings on motorcycles at all, but they feel pretty necessary to me. Am I missing something? I feel like you would have talked about that in this video if it were pertinent to most people.. but these are sport bikes, I assume most people are riding them sportly
Interesting vid. Some good suggestions but I really don't get global pricing differences like some of these listed. The MT-09 pricing in the States is crazy good. It's approx. £1200 / $1500 more expensive than the 8R in the UK. The Z900 is also about £1000 / $1250 more & the GSXS750 has been discontinued in Europe many years ago now. The 8R pricing & where it fits in the market against its competitors seems to make a lot more sense over here. The Daytona also doesn't have a QS, if that matters to you, & the build quality & warranty is inferior to the Suzuki. However, the Daytona does look better & the engine is more exciting too. Honda's a bit boring compared to the 8R imo.
I’m quite conflicted cause I plan on buying either the 8r or the xsr900 but since I’m in the eu and 18 I’d have to limit the bike to 48hp. That means if I buy xsr once I remove the limit it’ll “only” have 95hp but the same torque. My question is if it’s still worth buying the bike with 95hp (yes it’ll be cheaper than the version with the full hp)
Started RC390, Had the R7 for a little while when they first came out, always wanted the Zx6r fell in love with the Zx4r when it came out but now thinking of the Rs660 or Mt-09sp even Street Triple R. We’ll see what happens
Hmmm only the r7 and Daytona 660 are in the same class. Aprilia -. Costs the same as a zx6r, more than a z900....... Cbr650 - not sold in north America anymore.....
They aren’t meant to feel exactly like a sport bike, that’s why they are what they are. For riders who want a sporty, yet tameable ride that still looks cool
Value is comprised of price, features (including specs), material quality, build quality, and warrantee. So, you'd give the Suzuki GSX-8R a value grade of a B or a B+, Yammie? What value grade would you give to the rest of the offerings in this video?
I bought an black 8S with the small Suzuki fly catcher and a belly pan. I and am pissed as I would prefer the faired 8R but not enough to take the loss and trade.
Nagging questions I've had for a while: 1. Are parallel twins cheaper to manufacture or are they cheaper because they are less powerful and an I4? 2. Are smaller displacement motors cheaper to manufacture(say an R6 vs an R1) or again, are they cheaper just because they make less power.
Twins are cheaper to manufacture than 4's. The liter bikes have way more electronics and better suspensions and some have cruise control. Cruise control is huge for commuting 75-100 miles or more. That's my question; if a bike is throttle by wire why not have cruise control at least as an option?
The newest twins are for Euro 5/6 emission requirements. You'll see some of the 4 cyl going away or getting less powerful as time and emission requirements dictate. Good question BTW.
When I bought my 8R, the shop mechanic reckoned the cruise control will be on next year's model. He also speculated that since 8R and S are RBW there could be a dealer flash on '24 models (for a cost).
Yammie, here where I live the price is the same (+-300) for R7, RS 660, Daytona 660, MT-09, Street Tripple, Z900, Duke 890 (MT-07 is a lot cheaper). CBR650R being 1k cheaper. So Aprilia would be your no1 pick here, right? I'm purely commute/track (50/50) rider and I have no idea what to buy :D
It's taking me some time to get use to the sitting position but I'm getting it. I've had it a week and just used your video to put the fender eliminator on.
I’m currently sitting on a 2023 sv650 and it’s so unclear where to go from here. It’s seems like most of these bikes aren’t really gonna give me a significant bump. Do I go literally bike, keep the SV and get a ninja 400/500. For a daily mid the SV sitting so perfectly in the middle where do I go from there?
@@mannybrar7501 It’s pretty good it’s responsive if you pull the throttle! I’m not sure how different it will be from a 300, but it’s definitely funnnn! You got more than enough power for the highway for sure! You should check out revzilla review on it. He hits it spot on with the review
@@mannybrar7501if you have decent miles on your 300 go with a 650 next or something more. The 400 is just about 20% faster than the 300 and the 500 is barely more than the 400.
Gsx8r feels like the ultimate jack of all trade bike geared more toward beginner and intermediate. Good fuel economy, ok power, comfortable ride position is surprisingly upright like a naked bike, good techs like quick shifter up and down and basic traction control. However, the bike is ded boring for anyone looking for a real sportsbike. It just sort of looks like one, but feels more like a commuter. An old gsx from the 2000 would feel more sporty than this. I did not have anything complain about the bike after riding in, but in the same time i have no desire to own it either.
That's its charm. Looks fantastic and goes well without too much effort. I had 43 wonderful years of Ducatis and 25 of them on SuperSports. Enough of the low bars and clipons. I bought an 8R after looking at EVERY bike on the market and am super happy with it.
@@judge831newbie, but older rider currently on a Ninja 300. I'm thinking for a reserved rider like myself that wants a good city bike as well as a capable highway/light tourer the 650 would be perfect for me. Any thoughts? I'd prefer not to spend am arm and a leg and need a fully faired ride. I'm 5'9" 175lbs btw.
I recently bought the Suzuki GSX-8R after heavily comparing it to the Daytona 660. In the end the Suzuki was more what I wanted, basically naked bike ergonomics with some wind protection and enough power to be entertaining on the street.
I got the gsx8r for my 2nd bike because I do everything. I drive 100 miles on interstate to work. Weekends I hit twists. One day I plan to go in a long ride.
100 miles to work!! Holy crap!!!
damn hope that's 50 mi each way...200 mi/day is crazy
@@whiskbiscuit7199 100 miles one way. I drive a semi so drive 100 to work on Sunday then 100 home on Friday.
How do u do it. Ill be honest im fussy and wanna ride my bike to and from work. But i always come up with excuses like its too cold (i start work at 4am) or ill be too sweaty after work etc etc. It sucks because wanting to learn to ride may have saved my life years ago
@@temperspace Idk I love the feeling. Just Friday I rode home in pouring rain with no rain gear. I haven't had time to pick up a set of rain gear. I rode in freezing weather last year a couple of times. Honestly I just do it. May be the stubborn in me. 😆
2023 CBR650R owner here. I choose the Honda because of the inline 4 engine, build quality and fit & finish. Hondas general reliability level and I think it’s gorgeous in Grand Prix red. My use case is some commuting and some twisty weekend roads so it fits me well. My 1st big bike coming from a CB300R too. I think all the bikes in the category are probably fabulous in there own way each have there pros & cons.
I have an older cbr650 and it's an absolute blast, I feel like it hits the sweet spot between practicality and power
I have 19, great first bike, have over 15k miles on it. torque really kicks in after 8k revs. good sound also.
2023 cbr650r owner 🤚 after putting a yoshimura full exhaust, k&n high flow air filter and going 1 tooth down in the front sprocket 15 to a 14, all I can say is that it really pulls and still haven’t gotten it tuned but I wonder how the bike will perform after. I raced a 2006 cbr600 with power commander tune and couple of mods and gapped him. We did 60 rolls on 2nd and 3rd gear. We also did a roll where he was on 2nd gear and I was on 3rd and still took him on. Honestly I thought I would lose to the 600 because it’s a 600 but we both were shocked of what the 650 can do. Cbr650r is very underrated lol
@@AGM650 yea it will pull, but top speed will decrease also. default is 230.
@@paul-ku believe me or not I’ve hit 149mph on the bike. Which is surprising for a 650.
Just passed my msf course and got my license yesterday!!!
ayy congrats
Hell yeah
Got some time before you get a bike this size
@@bboykiddblack i disagree tbh buy a twin 650 as your first bike and you'll get a much better value and wont get bored of it in a year like most who buy 250s, 300s, and twin 400's
@@mr_fishh2881 500 is as far as the typical person would want to start. Beyond that you should have some riding experience and a ton of maturity
2022 zx6r rider here, Test rode the daytona 660 at a triumph demo day event last weekend. If I was in the market for a new fully faired sport bike for street use, it would be #1 on my list. I had the biggest smile on my face. That triple sounds so sexy.
It's silly, the street triple now is the daytona, and the daytona is now the.. Actually it's just a faired trident 660.
@rns6889 Yeah I agree with you. I can only tell you my experience with it. And my experience was awesome 😎. I see the biggest complaint from everyone isn't so much the bike itself, but the name, more than anything.
'21 ZX-6R here, and came to the same conclusion. Yeah, I've got a problem with the name, and I have a problem with the frame (fake twin spar plastics, are you fucking kidding me?), but other than that, the 660 is ALMOST what I want out of a sport bike.
I love my bike, but there are things I would change, such as the jerky throttle. Maybe an ECU flash with decell cutoff disabled would help, but I most just miss late '90s, early aughts carbureted bikes. Been on a hunt for a good condition 2000-2003 ZX-9R for quite some time.
but the Daytona’s dash, looks not so good imo😂
Same here ... also the owner of a 2022 ZX-6R ... test drive of the Daytona 660 impressed me too>
Not a perfect bike.... but as a comfortable daily driver with easy handling and decent acceleration below 100 MPH, it is hard to beat.
just drove my yellow 8R home today and I couldn't be more happy
Love that yellow. More bikes need to come in loud colors.
Congratulations bro, enjoy and don’t let the internet steal your joy. Only let people tell you what to ride when they are making the payments lol
@@michaelw6277 I miss the days that Honda would have the bright orange and all that, I love the new color ways of the KRT anniversary from Kawi
I'm waiting for the R9
Might Be A Couple Of Years You’re Waiting
XSR900 XP is already availible
@@judge831I wouldn’t be caught dead riding that thing💀
What's bad about it? @@mencibenci
They need to hurry up, I'm tired of waiting
I got the Tuono 660. Very overlooked bike! I could not be happier!
I would get it too but got scared of reliability. Otherwise it's so fun.
Got myself a gsx8r last week. Did a ton of research and checked used bikes online but all i wanted was the 8r. I got the silver with the red wheels. Love the looks and just got my tail tidy for it, cant wait to tear that dumb fender off lol have an acro exhaust coming too. Very excited! Im happy i chose this bike
How is your quick shifter on yours? Mine terrible I don’t hardly ever use it
Up perfect for me ,the blipper instead u Need to be Always under 5000 RPM ,4000 RPM Better to use It smooth .@@MotoFlows
@@donalduka221 how you like it
I bought the GSX S750 4 years ago as a "step down" from my super sport and haven't regretted it a day since. The engine is technically "detuned" which means giving it a lot more torque in the useful RMP ranges at the expense of top end power you weren't using anyway. If you love supersport inline 4s but want something with more torque that's better on the actual streets this bike is perfect.
Great bike. I almost bought a 2022 recently. Too bad Suzuki doesn’t sell them anymore. It’s a looker too.
@@TheSteveSteele Last I checked on on Suzuki’s website they were still selling them in 2024. Maybe you could trying checking around different dealerships.
Unpopular opinion…when you’re dealing with bikes that can go as fast as these, especially fully fared bikes…some extra weight really helps with stability at speed in straight lines and with very little handling cost if any. Especially if you’re wanting a fully fared bike, but it’s so relaxed you won’t be getting the normal Supersport rake and trail etc…some weight will help make up for that lack of straight line stability you would otherwise have with a proper 600 or 750
If true, a very useful insight. I can get caught up on the spec sheet power / weight and then often feel disappointed when doing comparisons.. ultimately it's a silly concern
@@gabrieltiso8537 what do you mean feel disappointed when doing comparisons? As in compared to the spec sheet you’re not noticing the difference you expected? Yea that’s a common thing. Especially for horsepower. Generally speaking torque is what you feel, especially low down torque in low rpm’s, and horsepower is more the top end speed (gross oversimplification but still) but spec sheets also assume you’re capable and willing to ride like a champ when doing 0-60 for example. If you never dump the clutch or you do more of your playing around on bikes from 40-80 than 0-40ish than obviously the 0-60 spec is largely meaningless to u for your needs and you should be looking more to the middle and top of the dyno graph for example.
As for stability, yea so the geometry is the biggest determining factor, a proper sports bike is super stable at high speeds and a naked or comfort oriented sport bike is much less so, that’s going to be true even if the sports bike weighs less than the others, but the point is if you’re comparing for example a z400 and a z900 or a r3 Vs r7 etc the higher weight of the z900 or r7 will make the stability at speed feel much better and the bike more planted etc. than the z400 or the r3 would. so weight won’t won’t make it as planted as a supersport but the heavier bike of a given design will typically be more stable at speed compared to its ultralight little brother which will get tossed around the road a lot easier at speed.
@@MarissaTheMuse wow appreciate the report and that makes sense to me. It's silly for me to be disappointed because I'm not a capable enough rider for it to matter.
When faced with trying to decide on a do everything bike (only bike) it's desirable to see a strong intersection of: exciting, practical, reliable, economical etc.. been looking at the gsxs1000 f 👀 and I'm actually worried it's too heavy lol
Then again I've only ridden dual sport / super moto 🤷♂️
@@gabrieltiso8537 what’s your age, sex, height, and weight? Are you in the USA? What state? Do you plan to get full coverage insurance? Do you make a fair bit of money to where insurance cost doesn’t matter much or? Will you be paying cash or financing? Any down payment? What’s your credit score? In my experience if you step away from the bike comparisons, as fun as they are, and think a bit more practical that can help you narrow it down. I eliminated a lot of bikes I was interested in from insurance cost alone
@@MarissaTheMuse ha! True, insurance is a killer all good points for sure. A 1000 is probably too costly for my budget. If KTM can figure out how to keep their fluids from leaking they're new SMT could be it 🤘
All depends on what you’re looking for. Lots of great bikes right know. I have a cbr650r and love it. He’s right about the lack of low down torque but that’s not what I want. I’m on the “four lane” a lot and I want my bike to “cruise” at highway speeds easily and since it has a top end of about 150 mph then 85 to 100+ is a breeze for it. And it’s pretty comfy and that’s important for an “old guy” like me😜. I know Yammie doesn’t care for the cbr and I probably wouldn’t either if I wanted what he does. It’s all about choices.
I got an 8r as my first bike. Bout a month riding in. Only complaint is the sound. I originally wanted an s750 but I thought I'd be biting more than I can chew and I can say I'm pretty happy. It's much like you said. It's good in a lot of things just not super at anything. Which for me just feels great to be able to feel out riding without feeling like I'm held back by the bikes capabilites
What's wrong with sound?
Here's the latest results of a inventory search of the closest RideNow Powersports. Showroom prices are considerably different than retail so worth looking around, especially if your interested in an 8 series Suzuki! All are new 2024 models.
CFMoto 800NK - $8495
Kawasaki Z900 - $8495
Suzuki GSX 8R - $7949
Suzuki GSX 8S - $5995
Yamaha MT07 - $7495
Yamaha MT09 - $9895
Yamaha XSR900 - $8995
THe CFMoto is a lot less here in Australia, Z900 best value here in my opinion.
Trying to move last years 8S inventory it appears
I would look anywhere else for a bike than RideNow.
@@alexwhiteman-el5jd as a Z900 owner I agree
@@marshallsmill8422why, I had a great experience buying my 8R there?
I have a used 2018 gsxs 750 and it’s great. Was my upgrade from a beginner bike around 4 years ago
I tried the Daytona 660 last wednesday. A great bike, and pretty comfortable to ride. The ergonomics are just like on the Ducatt Supersport.
I own a Tiger Sport 660 myself, and I can say the upgraded engine on the Daytona are noticeable. I'll bet you love it Yammie.
How does it compare to your Tiger? I'm probably going to get the Daytona or Tiger 660 this fall.
The GSX8R is a great second bike to have in the garage; I am thinking of putting an MT09 next to it. I have an RC390 as well.
What year’s your RC390? And how is it in terms of reliablity?
@@caj.potato I would considered myself a dissatisfied customer of KTM. My 2022 RC has been down since the start of ownership, it throws a misfire code and the mechanics blamed it on the tail tidy I had installed. Took it back they insist on installing stock tail to clear this problem. Now I’m not saying my wiring was the best but come on, there is something seriously wrong with the bike because it’s been underperforming and not even capable of doing highway speeds.
@@rjway5923get the mt09. The CP3 motor is amazing trust me. It pulls like an absolute train in every gear.
I’m getting the impression that these videos are useless. There is no wrong answer. If you’re really about to drop near enough 10k. Take the time to test ride each of them. Buy whichever you like. There is no wrong answer
He's not telling you which one to pick, as it's subjective. He's just laying out all the info so you can decide yourself. Far from useless.
@@BlackwingDuck kinna feel like I need to repeat the bit in the middle.
I haven’t ridden in over 6 years. My last bike was a 2016 ZX-6R. I also owned a FZ-07, FZ-09, and Bandit. I thinking about getting back into riding and honestly I think the Trident is the way to go for me. That thing looks cool and I always liked the whistle of a Triumph bike.
I bought the rs 660 and I absolutely love it and cruise control you can’t go wrong
I got GSXS-750 as my second bike and have no regrets. I use it as a commuter for about 70 miles back and forth. It's great value for someone that doesn't like the fully faired bikes, quick and fun, just not as nimble as most other naked bikes.
The 8S is a lot of fun with a lot of torque, I loved that little thing.
i feel like the z900 is pretty underrated! awesome bike
The Rs 660 is the king of the segment, it stand above all these other bikes in everything: power, eletronics, brakes, frame, power/weight ratio, quality, the only problem is the higher price, but since you are getting an higher quality vehicle it's fair
its funny that not many people are talking about it in the comments. its clearly the winner in this segment given its features. i guess people are too afraid to invest in something that has incredible resale value
I have a ZX4RR that I got last May. I do everything with it. Commute and tour. Just passed the year mark and have about 10k on it. Love it. It’s not without its flaws but you forget them when it screams.
What flaws do you notice? Not being nit picky just curious ✌️
@@PartyChicken407 No problem. I wish the seat were more comfortable or at least there were options. The paint on the bike and rims is very thin. I have a chip on the tank that I cannot figure out how it got there. The wheels chip very easily. The fairing has some chips through the clear. I know I ride a lot but I just never expected that. My biggest gripe is not getting the bike the way the rest of the world did but, I’ll deal with a de tuned bike if it means I can hear a high revving 4 and not break the speed limit. Its flaws a few and the positives are much more than the negatives. I love it and have a hard time finding a bike to replace it with.
I'm 53 and have (sometimes excruciating) sciatica pain. I have always loved the look of a sport bike, but I've always been a cruiser rider at my core E.g I just wanna ride to nowhere and take my time getting there. 😂
I can do that with the GSX8R, and look good doing it 😂😎
i loved my cbr650r. i have a 2015 s1000rr right now and i want another 650. the inline 4 was fantastic while still being very torquey
2020 cbr650r here, great bike
My first bike, a Yamaha fzs600 fazer, a tuned down R6 engine was already at 95 hp. 25 years ago. Progress is definitely in other departments than performance.
Great video. 11:49 Yup, MT-09... Yamaha hit a real home run with this bike and have just made it better every year. Those Gsx-s 750 Suzuki's can defintely be had for super great prices.
Both a bit ugly though.
I just rode the Daytona 660 recently and it's a lot different feeling than the Trident, much more of a performance sports bike - maybe even a step forward compared to a Daytona 675 bike - I know hard to believe but, I think Triumph has pulled that off!
Ex 2021 Honda CBR650R owner here . Cbr650r for the Win
A reason to go for the Suzuki is the ergos. It has a nearly naked bike upright position, which I personally find appealing. I love the Honda but I’d like the bars to be about an inch higher.
i got the 8S as my first bike bc im 6ft5 and i narrowed it down to 8s or MT07 but the 8s came standard with quickshift and felt slightly roomier so that sold it for me
I want full faired and not to powerful because I don't race and I'm still a beginner with two seasons under my belt on a shadow 750, the 8r is a lot torquer than my first bike
Waiting for Honda to come out with a hornet based cbr750r
You’ll probably get GTA6 first
@@4ampaul gives me a little more time to save up I guess
The GSX 8S is awesome. I prefer it to the 8R when I demoed them. As an all around bike, I’d rather ride the naked version all day. The seat was way more comfortable than I thought it would be.
Had my Daytona 2 months now - what a fantastic bike!!
the Suzuki GSX-8R is going to be my frist bike thank you for this video it help me alot
The best most comprehensive video you have ever made, wow! Also you have confirmed to me I have made the correct choice in buying the Aprilia RS660 ❤
I bought the rs660 as a first bike, a year later a panigale V4S as a second bike, and now im looking for a middle weight bike to convert into a full blown dedicated track bike. The more i look into it the more i come to realize, i already own the best middle weight bike out there....
Looking for a new bike in this category in the next few weeks, this couldn't of been more perfectly timed !
Love my Triumph Street Triple RS. Not really a competitor to the Suzuki, but I wasn’t looking for a newbie bike. I really wanted a solid middleweight naked that could street or track. When I test rode, I just fell in love.
My only issue with the mt-09 is it feels like a 90’s civic with a big turbo. It’s great performance wise but didn’t change that it feels super cheap and not special at all as far as materials and looks etc. I’d want to replace every component with higher quality including the frame to consider keeping it forever
Quality and feel matter a lot more to me than power. Honda feels highest quality.
@@judge831 yea you can do a lot to the Yamaha with the money you save, in fairness, including upgrading the beers and levers and rearsets etc to be at or above Honda quality. But as is from factory there’s lots of little bits and details that make the Honda feel more quality.
I’ve been meaning to refresh my memory, do you happen to know if any the cbr650r’s were compatible with slip ons or did they always have the all in one exhaust design the recent years have had? I don’t recall, but I’m potentially interested in one from the last year it could take slip ons, assuming that’s not super far back to a different design entirely or something.
I really like the GSX-S750. Almost bought one. Too bad Suzuki stopped making them. I think the 8S and 8R are the replacements for that bike, not the SV650. From this list I like the 2025 8R and the Aprillia RS650, CBR650 or Z900.
the value of the MT09 is real hard to ignore and is on top of my upgrade list from my MT07
The GSX-s750 is a great first motorcycle. It isn't too punchy in the low end. It has good handling and brakes well. I'm sure you can say that about several of these bikes too. Respect the machine. And you'll save money on having to do a trade in on your 300 because your weight is the same as the bike's displacement and a firm breeze won't allow you above 55.
Riding a nake bike without any windscreen is just silly on the highway, your like a sail or if your clothes are not tight enough, a parachute. After driving MT09, while fast as heck, the GSX8R is what i went with and is so comfortable and totally fast enough to kill me in 2 seconds flat, so very fast also. This constant focus on wheelies on a street bike has me confused. If you want to wheelie all the time, try trail bike. Way more fun that area.
Just bought a Daytona 660 yesterday and I love it
Thinking of getting this and trading in my trident.
Does it feel too soft suspension wise?
I'm going for Aprilia rs660, it's got a good amount of power, looks great, and it's fully faired and I found one for 9000$, 2022.
I think that will be my 2nd bike. But in a few more years
don't do it, save money and buy it new because it's a new engine that Aprilia launched in 2021 so having 3 years to fix the problems is a big deal and the 2 year warranty is a must for an Italian bike
you should view these italian bikes like a Ferrari, you don't buy a Ferrari for reliability, you buy it because it's a Ferrari and same goes for Aprilia, buy the bike new and ride it for 3-4 years then sell it and buy new again otherwise you will have a lot of headaches and it will cost you a lot of money, Aprilia parts are insanely expensive
Nice. I found an acid gold 2022 with 900 miles and paid $7,800 cash. It had been dropped at very low speed and had some minor cosmetic damage to the left side faring. Love the bike so far!
@@dutch_martyr Did you have any technical problems with it?
I'm actually thinking about getting a Ducati Supersport S 939. Those are amazing!
GSX 8R, Grey with red wheels is one of the best looking middle weight sports I saw. Yet I still think I`ll go for cbr650r for the engine.
With a full exhaust and flash that motor is amazing
Love my '24 Z900. Would like an RS660 as a 2nd bike.
rs660 is such a beast everyone needs to ride one !!!!
Shouldve had put the Cbr650r eclutch 2024 not the old one.
Tuono 660 Factory
Gets my vote
Always like it when the RS 660 is being praised. Ive put 16000km on it now and i really love it. Its great.
I like how you didn't try to sugar coat this bike, to make it more desirable so people will sign up. Good comparison!
As a daytona 660 owner whos test riden all of these i would say the daytona put the biggest smile on my face i didnt care for the r7 the gsx8r was tied with the cbr 650 for me but Triumph took the cake
Cool to see. But ... the RS 660 costs 30% more than the 8R where I live so not in the same market. You can buy a Street triple RS for the list price or R for a discounted RS660 price. No competition in my view, although the Triumph is obviously naked. The GSX S750 is 16% cheaper where I live, quicker at the top, but the torque is flat in low revs, the dash is like a Casio, no quick shifter and you have to chase the power. Great bike though The R7 is slower than the 8R and no auto blipper. A slow track bike? The Honda is also flat down low, the dash is ok and no quick shifter. Feels way less punchy for everyday riding.
So I've had a Ninja 650 for two years as my first bike and I've been looking at some of these as an upgrade. I'm leaning towards the XSR900 because I like the styling over the MT-09 but would the CBR and Daytona be much of an upgrade? Other than the engines, they seem similar to the Ninja in terms of tech and stuff?
I could upgrade to something like the CBR/Daytona now to get more experience and improve my riding, and then go XSR in a few years. Or I could go straight for the XSR. I'd be keeping it for years either way
Very Informative and depth details explained.... !!!!
THANKS Yammie bro .. 😊
I just got back into riding after being away for 10 years and recently bought a 2024 Kawasaki Ninja 500 a couple months ago and absolutely love the bike. However, most of my riding is highway at 80+ Mph and the poor 500 is screaming at that speed. I am considering upgrading to a Z900, MT09 or GSX8R. Its so hard to narrow it down but your video really helped. I just fear the Z900 and the MT09 will be harsh to ride at that speed with the wind.
Your comment is very interesting to me because I haven’t been riding for about 12 years and I’m considering the Ninja 500 or 650. Most of my riding would also be on the highway but I do have to put up with traffic and lane splitting is legal in California.
Just bought a Z900 Wednesday (used 2022, cash private sale) and at 80 mph it’s perfectly fine. Past 100 it gets a bit much in terms of the wind pushing your head back, and it’ll go a lot past 100, it’d just getting warmed up... But at 80 it is comfortable. It sits like a Ninja 400 I rode, a bit more leaned forward than an MT09 but not at all uncomfortable. The Z900 is an excellent ride, my commute is 100 miles round trip and I’ve already put almost 500 miles on it since Wednesday.
@@humbertogonzalez7505 The 500 is an amazing bike and I love every aspect of it. I have already put 2500 Miles on mine. I have the Red ABS model and it turns head wherever I go. I was concerned going back to a beginner bike was not going to be fun but I was wrong its a lightweight fun little machine that is more than capable of doing it all even 6th gear pulls to get away from trraffic. Only reason I am considering upgrading is I live in FL where if you aren't doing 20 over the speed limit on the interstate you are going to get run over. In 6th Gear at 80 MPH its revving to 8.5K RPM which is fine but I want something a bit smoother I can enjoy.
@@sleeper.simulant7327 Thanks for the info. Makes me feel a bit better about a naked bike.
@@RAnubisNRG the Z900 is butter smooth. Definitely is a big step up power wise though.
I’m a tall guy (6’7). The gsx-8r was the most comfortable bike for me. Super happy with it
Im about 6’ 4” and I feel the same way. Picking one up tomorrow!
@@TOWANDAKNIGHT78 get an exhaust and a tune. It turns into a completely different bike. I got an m4 exhaust and a tune from @vcyclenut.
Did you compare it with all these or just some?
@@PartyChicken407 I sat on all but the cbr
Hello Yammie! What is your favorite bike? I was just curious. Thanks for the comparison in this video btw!
Hey Yammie, which bike out of this bunch would you pick for a long distance journey? I'm afraid I'm late but I'd still like to have your opinion on it. Thanks!
Im an ex zx7r (1992), current gixxerbro of a 600( 2 year old model sitting in show room for 8g out the door, how could i say no). But im getting older @45 and sport bikes maybe a love, its still an ouch in age, bulge discs, arthritis, not going to stop though, just need a tewk to my ride to stay on the road with some past hooligan still in me. These vids definitely help, i dont actually care about size, i am too old to impress anyone, just need a machine to make smile when i feel like doing something stupid, yet live with every day and do highways in the north. My question is could the CBR650 still give me the gixxer hooligan spirit from time to time and care my old decrepit ass 475km down the road for work season (seasonal worker) and ve a joy on my time off, ( yes i take 6months off a year, so stupid fun without the pain is my ultimate question, as i have only 1 bike space in my life, the unicorn.)
Ah I'm so torn.. currently have a 2020 Ninja 400 and these are definitely some of the bikes I've been eyeing. Especially the Cbr650r, Daytona 660, and maybe the 8r.
Cbr for that inline 4 scream machine and sexy looks ( especially in black 🖤 ), Daytona for good power low down and high, and the 8r for instant torque plus cool features.. 🤔😬
would be great if you had add 0-60 numbers for each bike.
How did papa yam know I was looking at all of these Saturday he’s a mind reader!
The RS660 at my local dealer is going for less thank $10,000 msrp. Is this common elsewhere? And if so, i believe it may be the best on this list
For the price of the ZX4RR you would expect Kawasaki to up the anti to actually give you adjustable suspension. It's the biggest let down for the bike. Better off to buy the 636
you didn't bring the ninja 650, will honda churn a sporty faired version of the hornet 750?
He did at 11:13 but dismissed it completely.
thanks, very good vid. I appreciate a lot your comments, I'm wondering wich one to buy and I got to the same point than you. A Gsx 8r or a CBr 650r or a Mt09
I´m going to buy cbr650r next month, so you know my answear
I wish you could discuss why fairings matter or don't matter. My Rider experience is anything above 50 mph is better with fairings. On a track, or a quiet well-known twisty road, The experience with fairings is vastly better for me, which is unfortunate because I really like the look of naked bikes. Aesthetically, I don't like fairings on motorcycles at all, but they feel pretty necessary to me.
Am I missing something? I feel like you would have talked about that in this video if it were pertinent to most people.. but these are sport bikes, I assume most people are riding them sportly
Interesting vid. Some good suggestions but I really don't get global pricing differences like some of these listed. The MT-09 pricing in the States is crazy good. It's approx. £1200 / $1500 more expensive than the 8R in the UK. The Z900 is also about £1000 / $1250 more & the GSXS750 has been discontinued in Europe many years ago now. The 8R pricing & where it fits in the market against its competitors seems to make a lot more sense over here. The Daytona also doesn't have a QS, if that matters to you, & the build quality & warranty is inferior to the Suzuki. However, the Daytona does look better & the engine is more exciting too. Honda's a bit boring compared to the 8R imo.
everytime I see yam with these glasses on, I always think he's wearing safety glasses.
I’m quite conflicted cause I plan on buying either the 8r or the xsr900 but since I’m in the eu and 18 I’d have to limit the bike to 48hp. That means if I buy xsr once I remove the limit it’ll “only” have 95hp but the same torque. My question is if it’s still worth buying the bike with 95hp (yes it’ll be cheaper than the version with the full hp)
Started RC390, Had the R7 for a little while when they first came out, always wanted the Zx6r fell in love with the Zx4r when it came out but now thinking of the Rs660 or Mt-09sp even Street Triple R. We’ll see what happens
Isn't the RC390 pretty much as fast as the R7? I know it has less power but a huge weight difference
Ive wanted a z900 for years but they dont have fly by wire so no factory cruise control 😢. I ended up with an mt10
MSRP on the MT09 is way off, the 24's are 10,599 now. 9799 for the 23's.
Which of these bikes is worth trading my trident in for? Just not in love with it anymore.
Duke 890 and CBR-600R and Kawi ZX-6R?
2024: No.1 ? Suzuki 78NM at 6800rpm 205kg wet, 82HP vs 2017 BMW F800GT (Rotax engine) 86NM at 5800 rpm 213kg wet,90HP !
Hmmm only the r7 and Daytona 660 are in the same class.
Aprilia -. Costs the same as a zx6r, more than a z900.......
Cbr650 - not sold in north America anymore.....
They aren’t meant to feel exactly like a sport bike, that’s why they are what they are. For riders who want a sporty, yet tameable ride that still looks cool
Value is comprised of price, features (including specs), material quality, build quality, and warrantee.
So, you'd give the Suzuki GSX-8R a value grade of a B or a B+, Yammie?
What value grade would you give to the rest of the offerings in this video?
@yammienoob, please , need a guide for ducati scramblers!
I bought an black 8S with the small Suzuki fly catcher and a belly pan. I and am pissed as I would prefer the faired 8R but not enough to take the loss and trade.
i think the ergos with the suzy could be a point is like the gs500f renewed wich was a fantastic bike for commuting and for traveling as well
Nagging questions I've had for a while:
1. Are parallel twins cheaper to manufacture or are they cheaper because they are less powerful and an I4?
2. Are smaller displacement motors cheaper to manufacture(say an R6 vs an R1) or again, are they cheaper just because they make less power.
Twins are cheaper to manufacture than 4's. The liter bikes have way more electronics and better suspensions and some have cruise control. Cruise control is huge for commuting 75-100 miles or more. That's my question; if a bike is throttle by wire why not have cruise control at least as an option?
The newest twins are for Euro 5/6 emission requirements.
You'll see some of the 4 cyl going away or getting less powerful as time and emission requirements dictate.
Good question BTW.
When I bought my 8R, the shop mechanic reckoned the cruise control will be on next year's model.
He also speculated that since 8R and S are RBW there could be a dealer flash on '24 models (for a cost).
The r7 is so beautiful, i want yamaha to release a r9
your wish has been granted
@ indeed, in a couple of years i will try to buy one
Yammie, here where I live the price is the same (+-300) for R7, RS 660, Daytona 660, MT-09, Street Tripple, Z900, Duke 890 (MT-07 is a lot cheaper). CBR650R being 1k cheaper.
So Aprilia would be your no1 pick here, right? I'm purely commute/track (50/50) rider and I have no idea what to buy :D
It's taking me some time to get use to the sitting position but I'm getting it. I've had it a week and just used your video to put the fender eliminator on.
Loving my Daytona 660, all these bikes are cool though.
I would go for the 8r or aprilia 660 - 2 all round bikes !
I’m currently sitting on a 2023 sv650 and it’s so unclear where to go from here. It’s seems like most of these bikes aren’t really gonna give me a significant bump. Do I go literally bike, keep the SV and get a ninja 400/500. For a daily mid the SV sitting so perfectly in the middle where do I go from there?
Yammie! Great video. However, I have a question. I got my first motorcycle and was wondering.... What is the proper way to wash your motorcycle?
Yes, i went with the Ninja 500 40th anniversary edition lol
I just got mine last week it’s amazing! Mine is not the 40th anniversary tho haha
Im thinking of getting this after my Ninja 300. How's the power on it? Good on the highway?
@@mannybrar7501 It’s pretty good it’s responsive if you pull the throttle! I’m not sure how different it will be from a 300, but it’s definitely funnnn!
You got more than enough power for the highway for sure! You should check out revzilla review on it. He hits it spot on with the review
@@mannybrar7501if you have decent miles on your 300 go with a 650 next or something more. The 400 is just about 20% faster than the 300 and the 500 is barely more than the 400.
Gsx8r feels like the ultimate jack of all trade bike geared more toward beginner and intermediate. Good fuel economy, ok power, comfortable ride position is surprisingly upright like a naked bike, good techs like quick shifter up and down and basic traction control.
However, the bike is ded boring for anyone looking for a real sportsbike. It just sort of looks like one, but feels more like a commuter. An old gsx from the 2000 would feel more sporty than this. I did not have anything complain about the bike after riding in, but in the same time i have no desire to own it either.
That's its charm.
Looks fantastic and goes well without too much effort.
I had 43 wonderful years of Ducatis and 25 of them on SuperSports. Enough of the low bars and clipons.
I bought an 8R after looking at EVERY bike on the market and am super happy with it.
I wish you would’ve elaborated more about why you didn’t consider the Ninja 650.
Older tech, less power, and boring sound. It's very comfortable though, good ergos if you're under 6 foot tall.
@@judge831newbie, but older rider currently on a Ninja 300. I'm thinking for a reserved rider like myself that wants a good city bike as well as a capable highway/light tourer the 650 would be perfect for me. Any thoughts? I'd prefer not to spend am arm and a leg and need a fully faired ride. I'm 5'9" 175lbs btw.