IJN Mogami - "Friendly Fire, Isn't."
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- I resisted the urge to title this 'The Bane of the Japanese Army', not going to lie.
The Japanese light/heavy cruiser Mogami (it depends on the year) is an interesting case. Her design process was a mess, largely down to the Japanese intention to get as much out of her as possible. Especially by giving her the ability to switch main guns, relatively easily.
And then there was her service history. Where she contrived to collide with multiple friendly ships, sink more Japanese ships in a single torpedo run than most submarines, and led directly to the sinking of one of her own sisters.
Not a lucky ship, this one.
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Given that it was mostly Japanese Army personnel that suffered from the torpedo strike I doubt it could even be considered friendly fire on the Navys's part.
Exactly. This is why I like to say that Midway was a victory for the Japanese. The Japanese Army, that is.
Temporary `Loan` to the USN, Returning the Mk14 FavoUr!
well done
Lol Wish I could give you ten thumbs up
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referring to the 25mm as a "morale booster" killed me😂
Req`d NO training for Crew (pointless!), more time to practice Barbarism/Ritual Suicide!
More like moral support as it was so outdated like the 1.1mm pipe organs the US navy used they were never able to update the weapons for anti-air armaments hell we went from 20mm Orikanos to 40mm Bofers
Mostly worthless.
Contrary to universal belief, the 25mm type 96 AA gun was effective. As long as the gunners withheld fire until the target aircraft was within 1000 meters. At that close range, the problem of excessive vibration slightly affecting trajectory was mitigated, and the gun would not have to cease firing to reload just as the attacker came within range to do its thing. Many allied aircraft found to their dismay that the damn thing actually worked IF it opened up at very close range.
Of course, the problem with having a light AA gun that can't shoot down an aircraft until it comes within 1000 meters is that you have about 5 seconds to get on target and score multiple hits before you are "affected by an inclined plane wrapped helically around a conical axis".
Killed them too
"Oh LOOK! A friendly troop transport!" -IJN Mogami. . .probably
U.S : Finds plans for the Yamato Class.
Japan : Oh, that's a light cruiser design. Don't worry about it.
On the day Mogami was sunk her bad luck immediately seemed to transfer over to her sister ship Kumano. Kumano had had a pretty good career up until that point, only damaged once due to a near miss in 1943. Starting at the battle of Samar, the Kumano would collect about as much damage as the Mogami had taken in her entire career in the span of one month. Bow blown off by USS Johnston, air attack, submarine attack and more air attack, until she was finally overwhelmed. Her time in that month is very interesting to look at, as her damage control teams worked miracles to somehow keep her afloat despite more and more damage adding up until it became just too much.
she definitely was a bad luck vampire
Mogami’s final collision was one that’s often wrongly blamed on her (as in that it was assumed she was the one that did the ramming) due to a simple typo when it was actually Nachi that rammed into her.
Imagine how frustrated & disappointed the shipyard workers must have been when she came back so soon with the weld's popped.
Not least because they were Japanese welders and so failure was generally a deeply shameful thing they took very personally.
Japanese lookout: “Sir, Mogami sighted!”
Japanese Captain: “Fuck. Run up an American flag so they don’t shoot us.”
When Mr. Torpedo jumps in the water he’s not your friend anymore…
This Japanese cruiser should have been awarded a couple of USN Battle Stars.
Excellent video , I had a interview a few years ago with a World War Two veteran who served on HMAS Arunta , when he talked a bit about the surigao strait , he really talked at lengths about the Mogami, and the stats about her, I think this gives an idea of how much these ships caused a stir during World War Two
Every captain knows that you dont upgrade to the 8" guns. You stay at 6" and burn your enemies down.
A fitting homage to Mogami would be your name turns and stays pink while you grind through her.
I love it, moral support guns. Yeah those 25mm anti-air guns really were a good weapon system.
The Japanese 25 mm AA gun isn't as much a joke as the early war MK 14 torpedoes. They do come some what close.
The other one was improved. The Type 25 stayed as a Moral Booster
Always liked the spoon bow on Japanese ships!
My understanding is that the long lance torpedoes would have an explosive head but also a tank of alcohol as fuel and a tank of compressed oxygen. If the oxygen tank ruptured the whole thing would go up. I have read that as a result Japanese destroyers were in the practice of firing the torpedoes at maximum range to avoid the risk of a catastrophic secondary explosion if the Americans scored a hit.
Normal torpedos have the same problem.
@@VersusARCH...the oxygen used instead of compressed air made them blowtorches.
Actually, it has a really cool profile, especially with the curvature of the stack.
As a teenager in the early sixties the frontispiece of a British guide to Japanese Cruisers featured the Class. As the British Design Chief would have remarked with a British phrase in common usage; “Cheats never prosper.” 👍🏻🏴🇺🇸
Really is very much a case of karma when it comes to cheating, the whole Myoko class really had a crap career.
no matter what else you can say they were very good looking ships
One thing you left out from the video. Was that prior to the Battle of Surigao strait. The Southern Force was spotted and attacked by aircraft from Enterprise and Franklin. Compared to the beat up she had taken at Midway. It was only minor damage from straffing and rockets. Before Halsey recalled the two carriers north to deal with Musashi.
we had a runt kitten with no tail and no meow. So I named him Mogami. Later when I needed a name for the internet I used Mogami. He was a great cat but had no luck. He contracted cat leukemia in quarantine. Atlanta Ga I was walking home from Starvin Marvins 11pm when 2 dogs attacked me. Mogami came out of no where
Finish the story please sir
@@texasdesertsailor2587 he chased the dogs away followed me home got on my lap and went to sleep
@@bullwinkle5445 thank you.
Hey, the 25mm was a perfectly fine AA piece when the French 1st made it.. Errr, 15 years ago.
Oh yes, you have potential to rival Drachinifel at the rate you're going, keep up the good work.!
Awesome pics too
My favourite class of heavy cruiser during the Pacific theatre, and am glad she was discovered by the team of researchers who have discovered many tombs under the sea.
The original mounts of the class were later installed on both Yamato, and Musashi, as well as the light cruiser, Oyodo.
Great video, take care, and all the best.
If repeat if she could get close to enemy shore the guns could be used for indirect fire. Very unusual for a naval gun.
I've always liked the names of ships of this class: Mogami, Mikuma, etc.
simply cool ✌
I totaly agree and some IJN cruisers had a fearsome look.
What`s in a name? I prefer the Suffix `SUNK`!
"The only thing more accurate than incoming enemy fire, is incoming friendly fire."
Yup. One of our DD's landed a direct hit- on North Carolina's forward port side 5" gun director... During a Kamikaze free-for-all off Okinawa. Killed several, and wounded a bunch more.
I just toured the NC, and saw where it hit. There's a plaque on the open signal bridge immediately forward of it- we're talking 10 yards away, max. These guys had a front row seat... (and suffered many casualties from it) The quotes from guys who survived really hit home. The one that got me, was from a guy whose buddy was right in front of him- nd was killed. He said "I hope I never experience a day like that ever again."
Turns out, there's a very good reason there are FOUR of these 5" gun directors. NOT a great time to lose that capability.
One of the Docents was telling us a story about it: A Marine had been climbing up the ladder to that area when the shell hit, and somehow managed not to be blown off. (this is right under/next to the director tower) When he reached the top, there was a grievously injured sailor laying on the deck. Apparently his abdomen had been ripped open. The Marine figured he was a goner, but got help, and brought him to the nearest triage station. He never heard who it was or whether he made it, so he put on his dress uniform, and attended the burial at sea ceremony the next day. This event never left him, and haunted him his whole life. Decades later, he attended a reunion at the NC museum, and was relating this story to his wife and others, when a man walked up to him, put his hands on his shoulders, and said: That sailor was ME- you saved my life!
A similar information plaque is placed by turret 2, where they were hit by a Japanese Torpedo.
I’m puzzled as to the removal of the aft two turrets. I know a float plane or two is a valuable asset for larger warships, but twelve? And at the cost of 40% of your main battery?
Very good history of an intriguing ship.
The losses at Midway showed Japan they needed more effective scouting measures, hence she was given so many floatplanes.
@@Straswa Makes perfect sense. Thanks!
I know the post is old, but the floatplanes were also occasionally used as an anti-submarine weapon, in a manner similar to torpedo equipped helicopters on modern ships.
Send the floatplanes up with depth charges to scout for subs and drop charges on them if spotted.
What was that noise? Clang! There it goes again!
Always felt the class would have excelled if they had deleted the fifth turret and put that tonnage into structural reinforcement and protection for the remaining turrets. Such ought to have solved most of the architectural problems handily.
Poor girl could never catch a break
Great work Skynea, I rather liked the look of Mogami in her '43 Aviation cruiser refit.
You are truly the best.
Ahh, the Mogami - undoubtedly secretly crewed by the Imperial Japanese Army
Just to note that the damaged IJN Nachi was blown into 3 pieces in Manila Bay on 5 November by US aircraft.
Great video thanks
Maybe the Lucky Ships of the IJN? Yukikaze, Shigure and etc
Very inviting
USN: Their tech is worse than us
Also USN: Our Mk14 torps are “flawless” *Proceeds to unable to detonate*
Mogami earned a lot of respect from World of Warships. Having a perfect cinematic in her against Baltimore.
Yes Sir, that video is fantastic....too bad they can't make the game that good.........I wish the torps would bounce off with a glancing blow like in the vid too
@@LonWaldron though i wish it was Grosser Kurfurst vs Shikishima instead.
You pop rivets, welds crack!
I appreciate new channels on WW2. Drach, please come in here and help!😊
Amazing video you are non brittish drachininifnel lol
His titles and commentary reminds me of Drach
Anyone know what they did with the 6-inch guns/turrets? I think eight of them ended up on the Yamatos (with four of those later removed) but that leaves a bunch lying around.
2 were used on the cruiser Ooyodo as well, with a second ship of that class planned which would presumably have used another 2.
Awesome video w,eird with three turit on the front of the ship i would like to know how effective this set up was seams like a lot of weight up front.
She's still my KC Shipgirl
Kamchatka: hold my vodka
Could you please do a video on my first ship, the USS Newport News (CA-148)
Class and type Des Moines-class heavy cruiser
Displacement
17,255 long tons (17,532 t) (standard)
20,980 long tons (21,320 t) (full load)
Length
700 ft (210 m) wl
716 ft 6 in (218.39 m) oa
Beam 76 ft 6 in (23.32 m)
Draft 22 ft (6.7 m)
Propulsion
4 shafts
General Electric turbines
4 boilers
120,000 shp (89,000 kW)
Speed 33 kn (61 km/h)
Range
10,500 nmi at 15 knots
19,400 km at 28 km/h
Boats & landing
craft carried 2-4 × lifeboats
Complement 1,799 officers and enlisted
Sensors and
processing systems
AN/SPS-6 air-search radar
AN/SPS-8A height-finding radar
AN/SPS-29 early-warning radar
AN/URN-3 TACAN
AN/URD-4 radio direction finder
Armament
3 × triple 8"/55 caliber guns
6 × twin 5"/38 caliber guns
12 × twin 3"/50 caliber guns
12 × single Oerlikon 20 mm cannons
Armor
Belt: 4-6 in (102-152 mm)
Deck: 3.5 in (89 mm)
Turrets: 2-8 in (51-203 mm)
Barbettes: 6.3 in (160 mm)
Conning tower: 6.5 in (165 mm)
Aviation facilities
2 × aircraft catapults
Helipad (later conversion)
She is tomboy and wear short pants BTW (man of culture only)
Video on HMS Barham?
Already done - "HMS Barham - Did more than just explode, you know"
STILL a video star in any lazy presentation depicting a Torpedoing@@hectilliusthelegionary8496
Jai hind
so thats why its so crap in Wows