hi, so i see some of yall are upset about the poll. i put 3 shows against the proud family because i am aware that those shows had big white audiences. i know not everyone watching all 3, but knowing that many of you have seen at least one of them is why i put them there. there isn't much to choose from when it comes to black children's cartoons. the proud family is the most popular one out of them all, that's why it was stand alone. i already know white people have not seen many other black cartoons so i didn't see the point in adding more. i just went with the one that is the most well known (btw craig of the creek is created by white people, thats why i didnt bother to add it)
1. Shout out from South Africa! I actually thought the Blood & Water star would've been a nice Shuri in Black Panther. 2. I actually chose to pay for Amazon because of Sela And The Spades. I didn't have it before. 3. I have to disagree. Annabeth was WHITE in the books. Authors must learn to write minorities in their books and not let this awkward situations happen in adaptations. Rue was BLACK in Hunger Games so author was ahead of her time. 4. CW Naomi disappointed me. Will you review it? P.S I am so glad that you made it over 100k just like Cynthia G.
@@suzygirl1843 I agree with your point on writing minorities into books. One of my favorite book series, The School for Good and Evil, is getting a movie adaptation. There's one casting moment that really pissed me off, and that's when they hired a dark-skinned black girl to play a character that was written as albino, with stark white hair, white skin, and red eyes, to my recollection (since she's supposed to match the albino rats she keeps as her villainous animal sidekicks). I'm sure the actress is amazing, but really? This happened with a lot of other characters who were written as white as well. The two main characters were cast as the complete opposites of each other. Their roles really should be switched, but it's most likely too late for that. It's just annoying, because when it comes to book-to-movie adaptations, most people want the movie to be done so it brings the book to life - not change a bunch of things from the book so the movie will be different. I will admit that there are people who are racist and just don't want black people to play white characters, and yet say nothing in the face of the reverse happening, or like what happened with Clawdine. But in this case, I think physical casting matters because appearances mean a lot in this stereotypical fairy tale setting where everyone is judged based on how they look. You can tell by how attractive the kids from The School for Good are described as compared to how unattractive or straight-up ugly the kids from The School for Evil are described as. And most of the white roles that are going to black actors are from...The School for Evil. Among other things, it just seems like an insult to hire so many black people to play originally white characters who were described as unattractive. I appreciate what they're trying to do, but maybe the author should have thought of that in the first place? You know, before he made everyone's appearances such important parts of their characters and the story itself?
Live action Annabeth is going to get so much hate for being “bossy” “agressive” “rude” compared to her book counterpart that gets praised and I’m not ready for it
I'm happy for the actress that landed the role, but I'm worried that Annabeth's uptight and prideful personality may have general audiences classify her as the stereotypical "sassy/angry black girl", even though the personality is book accurate and she has such deeper layers than what she puts out on the surface.
Seconded. I absolutely adore The Owl House and Luz but I wish her blackness wasn’t so ambiguous. Because I remember seeing people getting angry over edits of her being dark-skinned and I’m like “SHE’S ALREADY BLACK, WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?”
I did not know that Luz was Afro-Latina till just this video. The fact that Luz has been in the Boiling Isles for months without her hair curling is nuts.
@@ChaozAgent Yeah, that's another thing, there are pretty much no hints to it in the actual show. The only ones I can think of are her mom (kinda cause she does not have a dominican accent at all) her speaking Spanish some times (again, still not the right accent) and I guess that little shot of the flag in that cookbook Amity had (kinda, the flag was missing some stuff and a bunch of details) I wouldn't have found out she was supposed to be Dominican I hadn't seen it online. Seriously, they might as well be hiding the fact that she is black.
I didn't even know luz was black until I watched this. It would've been epic if anyone who watched the show without knowing anything about it could tell.
I gotta say the doll community comment really struck a chord with me because I'm a doll collector and I've noticed for a while black dolls are often the first to go on sale and the last to sell out. It's fucking gross.
Not to mention, Black dolls and Black coded dolls ALWAYS get less made. ALWAYS. As a doll collector, it HURTS when your favourite character is not supported or done well in merchandise. It took me a year to find a Cedar Wood doll from her release, that wasn't overpriced online, but then once I got her, she was on discount. It goes both ways, suddenly I couldn't find many other dolls, just her in store on discount. This was just my personal experience, this doesn't apply to everyone or every doll, it just makes me sad. Thank you for pointing out the resale market.
I’m just about to start collecting dolls starting with Rainbow High and THE FACT THAT THE BLACK DOLLS ARE PRICED SO LOW…EVEN THE PREMIUM DOLLS… Like Krystal Bailey being priced so low and the only potentially black coded doll that sells out the fastest is Sunny who I would say is more mixed raced than anything. Like??????
@@snarkychan7504 this reminds me i was trying to find a doll from 2006 usually she would sell from 40-100 dollars i looked up the black one specifically and she was 800 dollars and another 600 same thing with felicia from bratz the darkest bratz doll shes super hard to find its been the same situation multiple times and these sellers try to pass it off as "rare" when the dolls is never rare just black
When a certain commentary youtuber i watched talked about the whole Monster High situation, the comment section was...something. Had a man tell me that the reason why there weren't darker skinned actors in media was because- wait for it- acting is a "white person thing". He also said that "There are more mixed people then there are black people so of course Hollywood would cast mixed people for a black character." I gave him all the resources I could. But you can't argue with ignorance.
So, I always as a white person find cases like these interesting, because my own family is part of the problem. My dad is a fan of the MCU but the first film that he didn't want to watch was Black Panther. Which honestly just proves the point of this video right there unfortunately. I find it such a problem in the media landscape that those of the majority in any way tend to care less about the stories that represent the minority of people. They feel as if there's a berrier to entry when that simply isn't the case. People of the majority tend to gravitate towards what they think of as relatable and judge others on a barrier for entry when inevitably contributing to how the media industry continues to discriminate against minority voices. By the way, if anyone reads this and wants to widen their horizons, check out lists on websites like letterboxd, it curates a few selections related to directors of different races, genders, and sexualities, I would highly reccomend.
Agreed. My parents are the same way. Even when they do watch black movies/stories, it’s only ones that make them feel comfortable/feel good like Coming to America or white savior films like The Green Mile
I'm not a Black-American person or an Anerican person in general. But, yeah, I'd say that type of anti-Blackness is honestly and sadly pretty widespread in Asian, especially inside of South, Southeast, and [not especially, but rather largely] East Asian populations and diaspora communities; For example, my dad, mum, uncles, and aunties, have, not super subtle or highly hidden, racial and skin color based biases, at least with TV shows, movies, and other forms of media.
Im white (jewish to be 0specific) and most of my friends hate the Annabeth chase casting. I became the number one Annabeth casting protector, constantly tallking about why personality is more important then looks for characters and her being blond is not a character trait, all that shit. As a MASSIVE book Annabeth fan, im so exited to see Lea sava jeffrys (god i hope i speald that rigth english is not my mother language) in the role of the character i loved since i was 9.
The funny thing is that the minority (so basically non-white mostly) has had to deal with this their entire life and once the shoe is on the other foot, suddenly it's a problem. Like what??? Have we never related to something that didn't look like us before. I mean fuck we have movies about dogs and aliens. I'm specifically calling back to reviews from turning red
I didn't even knew Luz was afro until I found out on Twitter, which isn't good. I'd see all of the background characters with black features, especially the men/ boys so there's no excuse for Luz. Even her parents don't have black features.
As a big Percy Jackson book fan, I vowed to not care about the movies after seeing lightning thief (hated it). So the first time I heard about this movie, was about the complaints. First thought was, “must have casted a black actress.” And when I looked her up, I was not surprised. Pretty girl though, too bad the world around her isn’t.
When I saw Leah Sava Jeffries had been cast for the series (not a movie), I very quickly thought, "People aren't gonna be happy about this." And that's sad.
No cause that happened to me too and I've never even read Percy Jackson, just seen enough fanart to know that Annabeth is blonde with blue eyes. My first thought was literally "oh no people's anti-blackness is about to be come out again", and unfortunately I was proven right. Like they haven't even started filming yet, people forget blonde braids and other styles exist for black girls, and THE CREATOR OF THE BOOKS HIMSELF SAID SHE'S EVERYTHING HE ENVISIONED THE CHARACTER TO BE. Also I've heard that Annabeth being blonde is important to her character because she debunking the dumb blonde trope by being smart and strong, and some yt people feel like that's being taken away from them. Sure that was fine for when the books came out but it's 2022 and that's not as common now, don't you think young black girls also want to see themselves being the smartest person in the room and more than a stereotype? I'm honestly kinda sad I wasn't a Percy Jackson kid cause this announcement would've had me sobbing from happiness
@@raynacarraway440 Annabeth is a rebuke of the dumb blond stereotype, but as someone who was obsessed with PJO when I was younger and still am, it’s more significant that she can be feminine and strong, and balance logic with emotion. Like everyone has said, she can always dye her hair/get another style etc (although I hope they won’t straighten it)! If people care that much, they can just read the original books again for their white annabeth🧐. If Rick says she’s the perfect Annabeth, then she is lmao. Most of the time, non white people (as with other minorities) are expected to frame their experiences around white characters who will never look like them. Having a black Annabeth is revolutionary, and I wish more people would appreciate that rather than throw a hissyfit because she’s black (plus the obvious racism)
Thankfully the first news I saw about this was people PRAISING that choice, which either shows I'm in some really great social circles, or the parts of social media I'm in are healing. I'm really excited to see her as Annabeth!
@@raynacarraway440 the funny thing is that the blonde trope was mentioned in the second series and like one line at most so I don't understand why people are making such a big deal of it (besides racism). Plus Rick has said that the whole point of Percy Jackson is diversity and not judging people by stereotypes (which ironic considering how ppl are reacting) so it stands to reason that a black person would have way more stereotypes than a blonde person
When I saw the cast for the new Percy Jackson, my first thought was "they're so cute! At least they got actual kids this time and not twenty year olds pretending to be 16" And then my second thought was fear and anxiety for the girl they got to play Annabeth, and the inevitable hate she's gonna get. Like, do people have nothing better to do other than bully a child on the internet?
"You are more likely to find a black person being a fan something with a majority white cast than a white person being a fan of something with a majority black cast"... And JUST LIKE THAT, you got yourself a new subscriber because you're speaking FREAKING FAAAAACCCCTTTSSSS!
This happens in every fandom all the time. That Asian Star Wars actress got bullied out of Social Media for being a Mary Sue. Ppl rallied against Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter just because he had the wrong eye color. Batman nerds made a petition to get Pattinson off the movie, called him unmanly and whatnot. Captain Marvel is hated to next level. It all comes down to grown ppl acting like spoiled kids when their fave characters don't look the way they did 1k years ago
And all that is valid, but there's another dimension added, when black people are casted, its like people can't relate to anyone who didn't/hasn't lived your exact life which is stupid.
It's clear as day that The Owl House fandom is racist when everyone simps for traumatized teen and ugly main antagonist but not for the only hot man in the show Darius and guess which character is black hmmm
Wait please don't tell me this is how I find out people simp for Emperor Belos- sad part is I'm not even surprised. I'm not even a fan of Darius but BELOS?!
He always seemed fairly popular within the fandom to me. People were constantly geeking out over his design, making compilations of him, talking about his abilities, and I think they still are. It's been a hot minute since I've watched the owl house or interacted with fandom content though, so what I say should be taken with a grain of salt.
I don't think that most people don't simp for Darius cuz he's black (although there are probably some people who don't simp for him cuz they're racist). I've seen more people simping for Darius than for Belos, and I think people who simp for Belos like his voice and his looks because, i mean, he does look kinda good (but I personally hate him) And there are more people who simp for Hunter because 1. His looks 2. His age (there are many teens in toh fandom) and especially because he has a sad backstory, traumas and that stuff Idk, I personally simp for Hunter and Raine and not for Darius, but it's not because he's black. And people who simp for Belos need therapy
Like some non-black people I'm friends with will make black OCs, and geek out about animes with me, but when I tell them to watch Cannonbusters, an anime with a majority black cast, suddenly it's "not their cup of tea" 😒
I guess since Annabeth is more or less on the cover: *You **_will not_** harrass or mob or chase after Ms. Leah in the new Percy Jackson and the Olympians TV show on Disney Plus.* Also, considering and remembering that many white, though sometimes non-Black people, inside of those Percy Jackson and Heroes of Olympus fanbases tended to be condesending or rude to the POC characters and fans at best, or simply racist and bigoted at worst. Simply put I suppose: the precedent was there. As was the environment. As was the gunpowder. All it needed was enough of a spark.
The star fire segment is spot on, and as a white person with mostly black friends it always bugged me. It’s basically saying “no you’re not allowed to see yourself in this character because they are white and can only ever be white” which is bullshit.
The Starfire one is weird. She's an alien....that means that our race as humans do not apply to her, so she isn't white black or Asian. So it shouldn't matter what race she is in the live action lmao. I actually think that her being black is more fitting to her character because Starfire has big hair and can absorb the light from the sun....sounds familiar lol.
I see Luz as a Dominican with some black ancestry rather than a primarily black girl. I feel like Dana just said Luz was Afro-Latina without really thinking about what that would mean.
This was so informative! I always thought it was weird Luz was full- blood Afro Latina and she had such straight hair/ general Causasian features outside of the coloring, but I never said anything or thought on it too much because I never heard a black person speak up about it, so I thought I was seeing something where it wasn’t there.
Seriously, it's hard to voice your opinions on black matters when everybody (most likely not black) is telling you you're wrong, it doesn't matter, "this media is my fantasy and adding black people ruins it". It's even worse when it comes to anime. No matter how many examples of anti-blackness is brought up. It's a 90° uphill battle and at this point I don't want to notified by multi paragraph comments on how what I say doesn't matter.
Omg I know right! Especially anime, there’s isn’t one anime I know that has a black/poc character asides Basquash (I think), and the ones that do add us in their anime give us that weird ashy “never knew lotion existed since birth” type skin tone 🤢. As a black tween girl who wants to animate and draw cartoons/anime when I grow up, trust me, unlike most cartoons/media in general these days, diversity will not be missed! 😉
@@Konata_TheRappa07 There are black characters, just not many. I say that in the sense that the character is 100% and not just dark-skinned. I kinda have mixed feelings saying a male character is black when their hair is straight. And that's just supporting characters. We're lucky to get one in the main cast. I would suggest checking out webtoons though if you're looking for rep in the main lead. Mostly women, I prefer male leads but I've only found 2. I could give you some recommendations if you're interested.
@@biecie oh ok! Just find some that are appropriate for my age tho! I don’t wanna find questionable stuff on them ;-; it’s been a while since I’ve watched some good anime asides card capter Sakura and Little witch academia
Not only is your content well written and edited but your merch is poppin! Like I be seeing some UA-camr merch look basic as hell and not worth my coin. But you are one the few with the cutest designs ever! Keep doing you girl
We had this conversation the other day on Twitter about how mixed Black girls are very detached with their Blackness in these cartoons That resulted in the creator of Kipo Age of the Wonderbeasts telling us that Kipo wasn’t supposed to be considered Black, just Korean. Even though her mom is Korean and her dad is Black🤔🤔🤔 I understand he(creator) was trying to say it wasn’t on his mind at the time of designing her, but I think it shows how much these shows rely on Black cultures(cuz Kipo uses a lot of references of Black culture and the two other main leads are Black) but don’t want them to be the main MAIN face
At this point nothing will change! There will always be racist or ignorant people. Even if a actress who’s black wins a role by her natural effort, people will hate her if she is having a role of a white character. The same if we get a black female lead in a cartoon, or a black male lead. No one watches or promotes it. Only a small minority. But white and Asian characters get hyped and pushed to the core. We are the problem and the racists. There needs to be support for original black cartoon characters that are written well, and also support for actress who are black that win leading roles in huge franchises. Original stories in cartoons of black characters need to be popular and famous. I’m tired of having black actresses only replace characters who are white, they deserve there own stories to be celebrated too. Give them there own stories.
@@veggiechutney6689 ? Look at anime! You can’t lie there. Many anime characters who are Japanese are famous and popular worldwide, while the black characters in cartoons don’t have that. It’s either white cartoons or anime characters that are famous. In tv they need more rep especially south Asians. But I’m talking about cartoons.
@@Thesilentvoice... I think that the East Asians who are romanticized are pretty much exclusively Korean and Japanese people (Kpop and anime), since I’ve noticed that other parts of Asia like SEA, South Asia, and West Asia tend to get ignored, mocked or fetishized. Obv I think that black representation is more important especially now, I just wanted to put that out there
As a white eastern european i didn't even knew that show existed for the longest time, despite me watching a lots of cartoons as a kid. At first i thought that maybe i was too young to catch it when it aired and that tv just didn't care to rerun it. But as it turns out, it never even aired here in the first place. It's kind of upsetting.
Speaking on the whole "people getting angry that their childhood fave is black now" from something more personal to me, April O'Neil from Rise of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. We get one version of the character who's not white and still has red hair like her previous counterparts, and the grown cis men who had big crushes on the white versions when they were kids lose their minds. Rise gets a lot of hate in general, but the way some people will link one of the reasons they dislike it to the fact that one of the main characters is black now is way too common and gross. April's voice actress Kat Graham said multiple times she loved getting to play the strong and funny black girl she always wanted to see in shows when she was younger, which encapsulates what me and so many other black girls who grew up with TMNT feel about this version. So naturally she's the most hated simply because of the color of her skin, it's sick. Also ik this is more coincidence than anything but I do find it very ironic that the most hated version of TMNT is the one with the most diverse main cast amongst the voice actors (2 of the 4 turtles are voiced by black people + April, the main female lead), and the most black-coded versions of the characters amongst the many iterations over the years. Whenever I see human au fanart for the Rise turtles they are always drawn as poc and it's usually it's Raph and Mikey as black, Leo as asian or blasian and Donnie as blasian or white but tan in terms of skin tone (though I have seen them all be black too so it's mainly up to artist interpretation). It's basically an unspoken and (from what I've seen) unanimously agreed upon rule in the fandom that the Rise boys are not white, and as someone who grew up looking at TMNT fanart I can tell you I never saw the previous iterations depicted as black by fans when shown as human, they were always white or a vauge paleness associated with whiteness
Oh the irony is April O'Neil was Black in the early run of the TMNT comics before they suddenly made her white. 🙄 So April being Black in Rise actually is accurate to the character! Also, I absolutely love the Rise fandom! I love the human au's in the Rise fandom! They are all amazing! Yeah the hatred to the Rise of the TMNT is very telling!😬 Also, Kat Graham 100% deserves more love! She is an amazing voice actress and actress in general! She didn't deserve all the hate she got!
Immediately after I got a notification for this video, My mind went straight to Rise! April. I loved her so much in this version (everyone in this version really lol). If anything, what people hated about this series, I actually enjoyed and now Rottmnt holds a special place in my top 5 cartoons to watch over again.
@@arabellasterwerf7980 April being black in the Mirage comics technically isn't true as she doesn't actually have a confirmed race, which is the only reason I didn't mention it as I used to use that argument too. The creators themselves have two separate answers, Kevin Eastman says she was mixed like the woman she got her name and appearance from while Peter Laird always saw her as white. Really it's up in the air and up to fan interpretation since it is a black and white comic aside from that one color image, but once she got the red hair her overall traits and ethnicity were basically set in stone for years to come. Everything else you said is spot on though!
@@raynacarraway440 As someone who have read the Mirage comics, April’s race constantly changed in the first issues.😂 But she definitely wasn't White. That was way later in the Mirage comics run. In the beginning comics, she was definitely more depicted as mixed as you said. But even for many issues, she was drawn as a Black woman. That's why I was saying that April not being White is honestly pretty accurate to the beginning of the Mirage comics. It was only later that she suddenly became a white character with red hair out of nowhere. Even then, for a long time she still had curly black hair for a bit before the red hair. Interesting about the creators though! Didn't know about that! They definitely weren't consistent there!😂
LUZ IS BLACK? Bruh, as a black person I'm tired of non-black people drawing us like white people dipped in chocolate, please learn to draw our black features correctly y'all. There's tutorials 💀
It’s sad that these are the things I’ve noticed since I was a kid and I have experienced people in my script writing classes (mainly the teachers) who will say things like “Why do characters have to be black?” Black people have the right to make their characters black if they want to. I will never make main characters who are not black. Period.
This was such a good video i literally remember people attacking the actress that was playing starfire in the live action teen titans to the point she deleted her social media like starfire is a f*** alien so it wouldn't matter who played her 🤦🏿♂️
I still remember the freak out that people had when rue was cast. I literally saw people saying that they couldn't see her as innocent and that she can't represent the innocence of prim like she's supposed to in the book all because of her skin tone. People really thought that little white girl = innocence but yet little black girl made it impossible to picture and equal innocence.
they like us for style and what we provided to culture, but when we wanna be in the spotlight it’s a problem. just be real, say y’all don’t like black people, and stay out of our spaces and our shit.
I am so appreciative of your channel and your commentary on the anti-blackness in the media landscape; you make very valid points and as a white person, I appreciate you making me uncomfortable with my complacency and I definitely feel like I have been sleeping on some really great movies and TV shows, I shall continue to work on my allyship and broadening my viewing horizons 🖤 Thank you again for making this kind of content, it is what i need to keep me accountable 🖤
The fact that their racially abusing and harassing the actress casted as Leah.. it reminds me of what happened with Halle. Mind you they made Grover South Asian/ Desi and Percy has blonde hair yet their not being harassed or dragged at. It’s all anti-blackness.
EVERYTHING YOU SAID IN THIS VIDEO IS FACTSSSS especially about how they cant relate to black characters so they always end up the least popular. even in a show like gossip girl where the 2 main characters were black the most popular character was audrey.
It also happened to Candice Patton when she was first cast as Iris West. That’s actually how the Snowbarry ship started. And the hate for Candice was VILE :(
I'm not into the Percy Jackson books as much anymore but the hatred towards the new actress for Annabeth is disgusting. Isn't Annabeth just said to be blonde and that's it? I don't remember anything about her specific race. And also; this is a world with demigods and stuff, so a black girl with blonde hair isn't unrealistic in that world so.... Hope the hate stops :(
I _guess_ her race was _implied_ in the books, but that doesn't mean it has to be the same in the series. Look at Pepper in Good Omens the book versus Pepper in Good Omens the miniseries: freckled redhead (probably White) in the book, Black in the series. And they're both the essence of Pepper: mischievous tomboy who will punch you if you call her by her given name (Pippin Galadriel Moonchild).
She had straight blond hair and grey eyes, and the official art (both versions) was of a white girl. So she is a canonically white character, but the only important part of that was her being blond to combat the dumb blond stereotype. All they have to do is… dye her hair blond😭😭 But blond stereotypes are not nearly as prevalent as stereotypes/racism about black girls. Having a black girl as Annabeth will be amazing, especially because her story will have even more layers with a black girl at the face of it. Being underestimated because of appearance? Being treated badly by her stepmother for something she doesn’t control? Learning to balance emotion and logic because of the way people view her? Always expecting herself to be strong? Viewing readings as escapism and feeling like she can’t rely on anyone else??? Hello??? These will have so many more layers with a black girl representing them.
Yea, when I read the book and Athena’s cabin was described as all being blond with grey eyes, I assumed that meant regardless of whatever race they were.
I love black stories. I wish we had more of them. I agree with everything you’re saying. We need a media that does more than pretend to get it but a media that not only actually gets it but Is willing to portray people of color more realistically and less stereotypically
If they wanted to make her hair just be straightened, ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS SHOW A STRAIGHTENER AT SOME POINT they blew it when they got her hair wet and didn't show a single curl
11:44 ppl throwing fits abt black VAs dubbing anime characters over white VAs is so wild to me cause like those characters aren't white to begin with... racists will find anything to get pressed abt 😭
It is weird for me nowadays to be on the discussion of cartoons and stuff cuz I mostly consume music and barely watch stuff, but this discussion goes outside of cartoons because you're right. I think the biggest example i can give of how bad racism and white favoritism over the black stories is shows in the Owl House, because Dana Terrace and the everyone with power over what happens in that show really show their white favoritism. Despite Luz being the main character in her own show, she has been getting shunted aside from her personal problems by Hunter, the white angsty boy, and not only its the creators on this shit, but the fandom at large. The amount of stories I have heard and seen of racism against people that bring this up is infiruating (all the way up there with the time the Encanto fandom caused a person to commit suicide). Y'all can literally do better by just consuming more media ANYWHERE that is centered around non-white, black casts because lemme tell you, it aint that hard unless you are the one with the bigoted mindset. I am not even black, but even when I am a Latino person on the internet, all it takes is to care. So with that out in mind, here's a good list of music by black artists that you should go check out: -Yola and like all her music, cuz she's an amazing country singer -Shamir because his musical development over the years has been bonkers and his latest album, "Heterosexuality" is the best album of 2022 so far. If you like your genre dish to be super freaking diverse, here's your first stop. -McKinley Dixon, if you are fan of Kendrick Lamar's "To Pimp a Butterfly" or jazz-influxed hip hop then you should definetly check him out. -BACKXWASH because "I LIE HERE BURIED WITH MY RINGS AND MY DRESSES" is the best album of 2021 and probably my favorite hip hop album period. -Janelle Monae, cuz I'm legally obligated by myself to shout her out. -Algiers, if you are fan of both punk and industrial inflicted soul music. Seriously the go so fucking hard. -Asiahn, for some BEAUTIFUL sapphic RnB. Everyone can enjoy this music because she's just an incredible artist and her Orchestral version of her 2021 EP is so delightful. Also PLEASE go watch Craig of The Creek. It's like the best cartoon ever made. PLEASE
You mentioning Jump In just unlocked a part of my memory I completely forgot. What a good movie. Corbin Bleu my beloved, Disney never figured out how to condition your hair so it wasn't dry as fuck and you deserved better
4:58 when you we're talking about black characters have less fanart and fanfic this reminded me of the haikyuu Fandom with Ojiro Aran he's a black character and the ace on his team and I never see him in fanart wit the rest of his team or even mentioned in fanfic its like he doesn't even exist.
In reponse to the lack of fanart for POC characters, speaking for myself: I'm a digital artist and I like drawing characters of all backgrounds. What I have noticed when sharing my art is that most people graviate to light skin/white characters. When you are trying to build an audience, especially in the art community, you have to follow the trend. My best performing character art is the Dream SMP boys, specifically Slimsicle for some reason. But when I drew Ponk, a POC SMP member, his art didn't get nearly as much attention/engagment as the other players. What I learned is that POC characters don't get that much engagment and thus many just don't share their art because there's no gain for doing so. I draw POC characters because I am a POC, but I don't always share them cause that's not what my audience is looking for. Do I post them to my Artstation? Hell yes as it shows my character range. But do I post them to TikTok or Instagram as frequently? No cause the algorithm and audience on those plateforms don't favor POC creators or characters. I would also say that the lack of POC fanart can also be due to lack of exposure. You say to go out and find these media, but the sad fact is that most wouldn't know where to look for good quality POC media/stories. Most media that get's advertise is geared towards a white audience, where a POC is just there to add drama or "wisdom". The backlash Amber got from Amazon's Invicible was harsh, but would she had faced the same backlash if they had kept her white like in the comics? Anyone that would have drew or cosplayed as her would have dealt with some level of hate, so they just didn't. But you can find plenty of Fanart for Eve and Mark no problem. The only recent POC fanart I can think of that was postivly accepted was Garnet from Steven Universe. We all knew that Garnet was Black coded, but many used the argument that "She's not human, she's a gem/alien so race doesn't apply to her." But to me, Garnet was a character I could look up to, both cause Garnet is my birthstone and because she reminded me of my late mother, a strong but caring black woman who put her family first. And ever since I have tried to find characters that resonate with me like she does, but they are hard to find. Just my two cents, sorry if I rambled.
Don't forget to talk about the fanfiction on Black characters that ARE actually written by non-Black authors, but have a heavy "blaccent", says the n-word alot (written "n-word"), and acts like an animal. Why is this character who lives in a post-apocalypse talking like that? They don't even do that in the show! It's to the point where I don't even read fanfiction for the (few) Black characters I see anymore. And people DON'T like watching Black stories (unless it's sterotypical - everyone loves a slave). People will get mad when their favorite character is replaced by a black actor, ignoring the fact that the studios did that in the hopes they can get Black money without devoting actual time or money making a Black story. The studios don't even protect their Black actresses, who most times get death threats! People would rather get violent with a (usually young), Black woman, then be mad at the head of a studio (usually an old white man), who's so lazy and so money-hungry that he resorts to these "Black-washing" tactics. It's ridiculous!
The level of hatred and vitriol black people, especially black women, get from simply being cast in things will never not disappoint the everliving crap out of me. We just can’t win no matter what we do. 😞
hi! i’m hoping to find some plot-heavy animated shows featuring a more diverse cast, specifically with black characters? or animated shows written/created by black creators? i want to widen my media diet and support black stories, but i’m having trouble finding anything like what i’m looking for, thanks! :)
There's a lot of times nowadays that I don't watch primarily black shows mainly because a lot of primarily black cast shows fall into the trap that they have to be a program that teaches white people about racism. Now I'm fine with that type of story, even I write storylines about racial issues. But it seems like if there's a black majority we must talk about how racist everything is, and it gets tiring. That's why I prefer to watch 90's and 80's black shows like, living single, fresh prince, martin, ect because they were just allowed to be black with the occasional political issue. I just don't feel like poc, but especially black people get to be that anymore. But if you need a good show with black characters I recommend Craig Of The Creak, it's really diverse, creative, and centers and black boy. I couldn't recommend it more.
I don't even watch owl house and I wouldn't have known that character was Afro-Latina if you hadn't told me... I think that pretty much proves your point
i rlly hope the issue of Luz (and her family) not having black features reaches dana terrace, i wanna see Luz with black features, hopefully there will be change in the 3rd season, although sadly it doesnt seem so likely..
Zazie Beetz was really cool as Domino from Deadpool 2. Domino is originally white and named after her black eye spot. But dominoes are typically black with white spots. So black domino makes more sense and they changed her eye spot to be a result of vitiligo. Zazie's Domino just has a more concrete and focused design
When I saw the casting announcements for Annabeth and Grover, being a picture of the three at the site they'd be filming, that told me that they waited until the last possible minute to put the announcements out, and I knew for a fact it was because the racist backlash the crew knew there was gonna be. I was happy for Annabeth and Grover's actors, excited to see the diversity that generally lacked in the PJO series, but also felt EXTREMELY scared for these two kids *especially* Leah because I remembered the controversy around the Little Mermaid live action casting. I also knew there was racism in the PJO fandom and white favortism. Like let's take a look at the fact that all the series Rick wrote with white MCs/majority white MCs such as PJO, HOO, TOA, and Magnus Chase, have much more fan-made content compared to the story he wrote with two biracial (black and white) MC siblings, Sadie and Carter Kane, the Kane Chronicles. The Kane Chronicles is an _amazing_ book series (I haven't read the final book tho I still needa find it) but very few people pay attention to it unlike how they do for Percy Jackson, a character written as white (I still like to hc book Percy as Latino tho-), or Magnus Chase, who is also white, or Apollo again white. And then Heroes of Olympus where the fandom centers around Percy, Annabeth, and Nico and plus Leo, who's Latino but written with stereotypes (I still love him tho) and maybe a comment about Reyna's strength here and there or her being shipped with Thalia (white character) who swore herself to maidenhood and then Frank and Hazel are completely forgotten while most of the Piper art I've seen is of her being shipped with Jason or Annabeth. Oh and also the eurocrentricity of Piper's, an Indigenous American person, features. TL;DR - I saw the unfortunate racism that the PJO TV cast would face - especially Leah - from almost a mile away.
What gets me upset is that the same people that complain about making white characters black in artwork won't give that same time of day to original and established black characters and their stories created by the same people that make that artwork in the first place. Basically. Black artist: *Makes their favorite character black for representation* Racist: That's blackwashing, why can't y'all make your own stories?? If you can do that, why can't I whitewash black characters? This is hypocrisy!!! The same black artist: *Makes their own original black character and stories.* The same racist: Eww, what is this woke SJW garbage??? This character is so lame and unoriginal. What do y'all want from us???
Harriyanna You need to talk the anti blackness of “gingercide” like how are they going to compare prejudice against redheads with the prejudice of other races such as black people🤨…
😂 so im not the only person who's witnessed this 'outrage' too? and what makes it even funnier is that i don't think many people are aware that it's possible to simultaneously be brown nd a ginger
okay as a white redhead myself i have never understood that like. black people can have naturally red hair too if i'm not mistaken lmaooo cmon also the whole "redheads are going extinct" thing isnt even true either that was a myth that was debunked, so if that's our argument it immediately falls apart.
This is the whole reason I wrote my fanfiction for my favorite character in the School for Good and Evil series. It's called "The Princess Knight" on AO3 if anyone wants to check it out. I love to see you talk about this because I feel like I'll be the only student talking about this in my English department in certain courses.
@@PrincessLioness Thank you I'm actually an English major in college. A lot of my professors recommended writing fanfiction as a starting point to get used to releasing works.
@@lioness1279 That’s what I wanted to do as well. I wanted to be a writer (still do when I become a stahm) and I decided to write fanfic as practice, but my adhd would always prevent me for getting far. I’m a bug planner so I want some chapters written and the whole story in mind before I uploaded anything, but I never did. I don’t know what happened to my old notebooks.
Anime fans are the worst when it comes to who voices their waifus. There is truly something weird about it, but they do get outraged when you "ruin" their 2D faves. When it comes to anime dubs its even more hillarious bc they don't speak lile real people or even lile other animated shows. Its english anime dub style, and maybe its because Im face/voice blind, but I cant even tell what their ethnicity is.
Can you please make a video about the misogynoir of Teen Titans? There was 0 black girl in the main cast, In fact the only black female character was Bumblebee, that's it! And Bumbleebee was weak and barely got any screentime. Plus was constantly arguing with others and got beaten up a lot, even by Cyborg in one episode! I really wish the show had more diversity and well written black female characters.
BumbleBee is treated like absolute sh!t in Teen Titans Go. Like, the characters are so damn mean to her and all she does is try to be nice to them. I get that it's supposed to be comedy, but it's odd when she's the only black girl in the show being made fun of.
Ehh that's a bit of a reach. If you wanted to say there wasn't much blackness I'd agree with you but it certainly didn't delve into anything specifically against black women. The lack of diversity is more symptomatic of the source material and the fact that a third of the characters have green or grey skin color and I think the show made a considerable effort to reconcile with some of the more problematic aspects of it. I liked Bumblebee too; she didn't get the royal treatment or anything but I don't think she was treated unfairly.
As someone who recently re-watched Teen Titans, Bumblebee whopped Cyborg’s ass their first meeting. While she didn’t get much screentime, I think Bumblebee was fine as a character.
in my recommendeds, i thought it said this video was posted nine months ago but i saw annabeth in the thumbnail and thought you had clairvoyance or something
Jump In is severely underrated! I haven’t heard of Selah and the Spades, but it looks right up my alley. I have Amazon prime, but I barely go on Prime Video. Last show I watched on there was Harlem, and it was because the promo popped up on IG.
I honestly been so frustrated by the doll community as well. I’m glad it’s not just me. I can’t find black dolls in the same quantity that don’t look ashy or are wearing “ethnic or historical” outfits. Specifically in the bJD community…
People still talk about gravity falls and yet I never see people talk about Kipo age of the Wonderbeasts when discussions of good modern cartoons come up
I hate it when people completely misuse relatability and representation when it applies to diversity in media. When; minorities say they would like a cast to be more diverse, when they add a character of color to a pre existing property, or when a big company puts out work with a majority poc cast- the response "i feel represented by characters I can relate to (i have seen this be said and i wanted to break my phone), this is sjw shit, why do they always have to bring politics into this, i can't relate to this character because A B C and D." Like...nothing is stopping you from relating to ANY character, media about animals literally never get this type of conversation because nobody is an animal watching this stuff, but everyone can relate to squidward spongebob or Patrick. So why is that when pixar comes out with an movie about a 13 year old Asian canadian girl nobody remembers what it's like to be a teenager👀😤 why is it that when Disney chooses to let the race of a character not matter on the big screen it's a crime against their childhood (when the original movie still exist and is easily accessible), why is it that when we wanna call people out for black washing characters (not them saying that they're fixing anything cuz that's bad but straight up just making an interpretation of a character they like and honestly just giving inspiration to black cosplayers to just do whatever they want) the conversation is "this is bad don't do this if you want more black characters go make your own" but then don't plug independent artist or black media(that last point may or may not have been relevant to my original point👀) BASICALLY to sum it up with this example, I love winx club, my favorite fairy is flora, i relate to Flora, TECHNICALLY i am represented by Aisha, because SHE'S the black fairy and Flora is technically the Hispanic/Latina fairy (Flora being modeled after Jennifer Lopez and Aisha being modeled after Beyonce). There is a difference and the only situations where people try to act like there is no difference is when they want to be open about being a bigot without saying it. Thank you for reading my rant😁💖
22:44 omg I LOVE PARADISE KISS so much! I feel like we have so many shows that are hyped but aren’t as nuanced as PK just because it came out a long time ago. Thank you for your important video ! I found myself here after the Percy Jackson Casting was out and a white friend of mine was so disappointed and wanted me to tell her she wasn’t racist bc of her disappointment.
I'm black and since I was little I wanted to see characters like me on screen. My white friends always got represented and every single time I said I want to cosplay a character they would go like "No but the character is white so you can't cosplay them". Since I watch a lot of anime that was always a problem. So I'm used to seek for characters who I can relate and not only on the personality. I'm always happy when I'm watching/reading something and there's a black character on it. Yet, things like the cast of anabeth makes me sad and kind of... Don't wanting representativeness... If that's make sense. I mean, I saw the lord of rings fanbase go all on rage and hate bc there was two minor roles on the new amazon prime tv shows played by black people. The whole fandom was explicitly racist and there's no one saying a thing about it. So before the announcement of Leah's casting I was hoping they won't cast a black girl as Anabeth. Not bc I didn't want to see a mainstream important character as a poc, neither bc I didn't knew the importance of being represented. But I was so afraid that a 12 years old child would have to go over such hate as went with lotr. And so she was. It didn't take a day for the so called representative fanbase of poj to take down her accounts and give hate for the actress. Thankfully she seems to be dealing fine with this, I suppose she already expected. But no one should experience things like this, specially not a little girl. And for what sake? Anyway, I wish these people could understand there's no difference on anabeth skin's color...
THANK YOU SOOO MUCH FOR TALKING ABOUT LUZ! It's always been a shh shh topic for me because TOH fans get SUPER defensive, but her ethic representation in general is sooo badly done (coming from a white half-dominican). I can't speak about her blackness, but from my experience growing up in Latin America she doesn't look like an afro-latina, much less an afro-caribbean. For her hair I do think it could be explained by the plain racism in Dominican Republic (EVERYONE straightens their hair since curly hair is called “cabello malo”-literally “bad hair”), but they didn't include anything afro-latina looking in her design. Furthermore, the latina representation in the show is so surface level, it could be removed completely and the plot wouldn't even change. Luz wasn't created being thought of as an afro-latina character, and that is an actual fact you can look up. And it is such a shame
i dont get why people get so pressed when black people get roles.. and they make it so obvious that theyre mad just cause the actor/actress in question is black "diversity points!!" whats wrong with having diversity ??
When I first say the cast I was kinda bothered not because annabeth was being played by a black actress but since its not book accurate, but honestly after seeing her more I feel like she's going to be perfect for the role!! I hope people don't send her hate :)
As a black girl, I was so excited for Ariel being black and the hate that the soon-to-be film just disappointed me. Hearing the word “blackwashing” is devastating.
When ppl were complaining about Halley Bailey being cast as Ariel, saying that it was taking away "redhead representation", that was absurd and infuriating.
I don’t mind the black woman playing starfire in the live action teen titians, just would’ve preferred her to be orange lol (kinda biased, I love the color orange) and also if they were teens too. Also we need more black superheroes
I'm back after watching the full video. I still love Luz's design. She looks just like my younger sister. But also I think you might have over looked the fact that black is not a universal type of person. Luz is closer to me than she is to my younger sister in terms of who is as a character. My black experience is not the same as yours and vice versa. Your criticisms of Luz design and actions are both valid and reasonable. However, from my point of view Luz is perfect the way she is and doesn't need to "be fixed." On a side note on this topic about character design for black characters. I don't have most black features and I'm a black man. It is entirely possible for a person like Luz to exist. The implications of saying her design is "lackluster" to your standards of blackness can cause the argument of the slippery slope fallacy. Just because her design is the way it is that doesn't mean she's not black enough. Thus my point in this, can you not say that someone isn't black enough in terms of designs?
Glad you brought this point up because when I heard it, something didn't feel right. Mixed people's appearances aren't always a 50/50 reflection of their parents. Also worth noting that the concept of race in Latin America/the Caribbean is viewed differently than it is in the US
@@kordeliiius9821 Not really. If anything, it’s very much intentional to wash out any traces of Black and/or indigenous features in our community by marrying having children with White people That’s something we’ve known for years, and yet our communities are still very much racist against anyone with Afro textured hair and dark skin
This isn’t so much claiming Black people can’t looked mixed or ambiguous, but the problem lies when media only depicts Black girls as ambiguous as possible. Because the concept that a darkskinned Black girl with Afro textured hair being the MC is still too much for people
Bruh, Luz is based off of a REAL afro latina woman, dana's old roommate, which many has pointed out she doesn't even look like said woman, as who knows has said, its about making BW look as ambiguous as possible, and again, its not even about her features as harry said, its about the fact she has no afro when her hair is wet, something the real life version of her has.
I didn't think Luz was afro latina, I did assume latina bc of my own experience in cartoons. Tan, lighter brown skin always translated to Hispanic for me, and Hispanics can have straight hair, but mostly I see wavy or curly hair. Her hair is short, but at that length, many of my family would have some curls. My children are Hispanic on one side and black on the other, and they do have straight hair if its close to their head (haven't seen it since they were babies), but if it was a long as Luz's (her hair seems to jaw-length), there would be curls at the top and bottom, unless its done to be like that. What's funny is that all their hair is different. Their hair is kinda straighter when wet and detangle process, but curls up as it dries. It would be nest to see that amount of detail in animation for Luz. And I think that's good criticism bc without that detail its ambiguous what her ethnicity is bc of the nature of abstract art styles. You can maybe argue she's anything that isn't pale white, but my experience and name made me think Hispanic naturally lol.
hi, so i see some of yall are upset about the poll. i put 3 shows against the proud family because i am aware that those shows had big white audiences. i know not everyone watching all 3, but knowing that many of you have seen at least one of them is why i put them there. there isn't much to choose from when it comes to black children's cartoons. the proud family is the most popular one out of them all, that's why it was stand alone. i already know white people have not seen many other black cartoons so i didn't see the point in adding more. i just went with the one that is the most well known
(btw craig of the creek is created by white people, thats why i didnt bother to add it)
the poll was a great idea tbh,, having audience input as even more evidence was a really nice touch to the video
1. Shout out from South Africa! I actually thought the Blood & Water star would've been a nice Shuri in Black Panther.
2. I actually chose to pay for Amazon because of Sela And The Spades. I didn't have it before.
3. I have to disagree. Annabeth was WHITE in the books. Authors must learn to write minorities in their books and not let this awkward situations happen in adaptations. Rue was BLACK in Hunger Games so author was ahead of her time.
4. CW Naomi disappointed me. Will you review it?
P.S I am so glad that you made it over 100k just like Cynthia G.
@@wendys_lemonade2459 yes It was fun but we should also be mindful that the harri audience’s ethnicity will probably play a part in her poles (but idk
I don't watch Craig of the creek, he so bad?
@@suzygirl1843 I agree with your point on writing minorities into books. One of my favorite book series, The School for Good and Evil, is getting a movie adaptation. There's one casting moment that really pissed me off, and that's when they hired a dark-skinned black girl to play a character that was written as albino, with stark white hair, white skin, and red eyes, to my recollection (since she's supposed to match the albino rats she keeps as her villainous animal sidekicks). I'm sure the actress is amazing, but really? This happened with a lot of other characters who were written as white as well. The two main characters were cast as the complete opposites of each other. Their roles really should be switched, but it's most likely too late for that.
It's just annoying, because when it comes to book-to-movie adaptations, most people want the movie to be done so it brings the book to life - not change a bunch of things from the book so the movie will be different. I will admit that there are people who are racist and just don't want black people to play white characters, and yet say nothing in the face of the reverse happening, or like what happened with Clawdine. But in this case, I think physical casting matters because appearances mean a lot in this stereotypical fairy tale setting where everyone is judged based on how they look. You can tell by how attractive the kids from The School for Good are described as compared to how unattractive or straight-up ugly the kids from The School for Evil are described as. And most of the white roles that are going to black actors are from...The School for Evil. Among other things, it just seems like an insult to hire so many black people to play originally white characters who were described as unattractive. I appreciate what they're trying to do, but maybe the author should have thought of that in the first place? You know, before he made everyone's appearances such important parts of their characters and the story itself?
Live action Annabeth is going to get so much hate for being “bossy” “agressive” “rude” compared to her book counterpart that gets praised and I’m not ready for it
...Oh my gosh, you're right. I predicted people being salty about the casting choice as soon as I saw her, but I completely forgot about that. Ugh.
Her treatment of Rachel…the fans are gonna HATE it even tho it’s book accurate
Dear Lord, you are 100% right.
I'm happy for the actress that landed the role, but I'm worried that Annabeth's uptight and prideful personality may have general audiences classify her as the stereotypical "sassy/angry black girl", even though the personality is book accurate and she has such deeper layers than what she puts out on the surface.
I mean people in the fandom who don't like Annabeth already say that so imagine that on a way larger scale. This is gonna be rough guys 😬
PERIOD! Also I agree with you with The Owl House I LOVE IT, but of course it could have been nice to see Luz with some curls! We need more bonnets!
Seconded. I absolutely adore The Owl House and Luz but I wish her blackness wasn’t so ambiguous.
Because I remember seeing people getting angry over edits of her being dark-skinned and I’m like “SHE’S ALREADY BLACK, WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?”
Right!? If I see Luz come out of water without no sight of curls in her hair... I'm gonna flip.
I did not know that Luz was Afro-Latina till just this video. The fact that Luz has been in the Boiling Isles for months without her hair curling is nuts.
@@ChaozAgent Yeah, that's another thing, there are pretty much no hints to it in the actual show. The only ones I can think of are her mom (kinda cause she does not have a dominican accent at all) her speaking Spanish some times (again, still not the right accent) and I guess that little shot of the flag in that cookbook Amity had (kinda, the flag was missing some stuff and a bunch of details) I wouldn't have found out she was supposed to be Dominican I hadn't seen it online. Seriously, they might as well be hiding the fact that she is black.
I didn't even know luz was black until I watched this. It would've been epic if anyone who watched the show without knowing anything about it could tell.
“anti-blackness is universal”, SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK.
@Is Swampus didn"t see no lie tho
I read: "SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BLACK." I can't-
Anti-blackness is universal 🗣 Same shit, different continents
How is it universal?
I gotta say the doll community comment really struck a chord with me because I'm a doll collector and I've noticed for a while black dolls are often the first to go on sale and the last to sell out. It's fucking gross.
Not to mention, Black dolls and Black coded dolls ALWAYS get less made. ALWAYS. As a doll collector, it HURTS when your favourite character is not supported or done well in merchandise. It took me a year to find a Cedar Wood doll from her release, that wasn't overpriced online, but then once I got her, she was on discount. It goes both ways, suddenly I couldn't find many other dolls, just her in store on discount. This was just my personal experience, this doesn't apply to everyone or every doll, it just makes me sad. Thank you for pointing out the resale market.
I’m just about to start collecting dolls starting with Rainbow High and THE FACT THAT THE BLACK DOLLS ARE PRICED SO LOW…EVEN THE PREMIUM DOLLS…
Like Krystal Bailey being priced so low and the only potentially black coded doll that sells out the fastest is Sunny who I would say is more mixed raced than anything. Like??????
I've also noticed that im a black doll collector myself and there's been numerous times I've seen white dolls sell much quicker
@@snarkychan7504 this reminds me i was trying to find a doll from 2006 usually she would sell from 40-100 dollars i looked up the black one specifically and she was 800 dollars and another 600 same thing with felicia from bratz the darkest bratz doll shes super hard to find its been the same situation multiple times and these sellers try to pass it off as "rare" when the dolls is never rare just black
@@Starfire10982 I've seen krystal for 13.99 never remember seeing any of the white or lighter-skinned dolls go that low
When a certain commentary youtuber i watched talked about the whole Monster High situation, the comment section was...something. Had a man tell me that the reason why there weren't darker skinned actors in media was because- wait for it- acting is a "white person thing". He also said that "There are more mixed people then there are black people so of course Hollywood would cast mixed people for a black character."
I gave him all the resources I could. But you can't argue with ignorance.
That's impressively ignorant. I'm actually impressed.
The audacity they have to talk about people they don’t even interact with is astounding
I remember reading that thread. It broke my brain for awhile
I truly haven't heard something that incorrect and ignorant in my entire life. Don't know if I should be terrified or weirdly impressed.
Let me guess: they were hispanic right? I could be wrong but in hispanic fandoms racism is a huge problem
So, I always as a white person find cases like these interesting, because my own family is part of the problem. My dad is a fan of the MCU but the first film that he didn't want to watch was Black Panther. Which honestly just proves the point of this video right there unfortunately.
I find it such a problem in the media landscape that those of the majority in any way tend to care less about the stories that represent the minority of people. They feel as if there's a berrier to entry when that simply isn't the case. People of the majority tend to gravitate towards what they think of as relatable and judge others on a barrier for entry when inevitably contributing to how the media industry continues to discriminate against minority voices.
By the way, if anyone reads this and wants to widen their horizons, check out lists on websites like letterboxd, it curates a few selections related to directors of different races, genders, and sexualities, I would highly reccomend.
Agreed. My parents are the same way. Even when they do watch black movies/stories, it’s only ones that make them feel comfortable/feel good like Coming to America or white savior films like The Green Mile
@@sawyer6264 yup, i wound up in a debate with my dad once about how django unchained is a white savior narrative
I'm not a Black-American person or an Anerican person in general.
But, yeah, I'd say that type of anti-Blackness is honestly and sadly pretty widespread in Asian, especially inside of South, Southeast, and [not especially, but rather largely] East Asian populations and diaspora communities;
For example, my dad, mum, uncles, and aunties, have, not super subtle or highly hidden, racial and skin color based biases, at least with TV shows, movies, and other forms of media.
Im white (jewish to be 0specific) and most of my friends hate the Annabeth chase casting. I became the number one Annabeth casting protector, constantly tallking about why personality is more important then looks for characters and her being blond is not a character trait, all that shit. As a MASSIVE book Annabeth fan, im so exited to see Lea sava jeffrys (god i hope i speald that rigth english is not my mother language) in the role of the character i loved since i was 9.
The funny thing is that the minority (so basically non-white mostly) has had to deal with this their entire life and once the shoe is on the other foot, suddenly it's a problem. Like what??? Have we never related to something that didn't look like us before. I mean fuck we have movies about dogs and aliens. I'm specifically calling back to reviews from turning red
I didn't even knew Luz was afro until I found out on Twitter, which isn't good. I'd see all of the background characters with black features, especially the men/ boys so there's no excuse for Luz. Even her parents don't have black features.
I didn't know Luz was Afro-Latino until I saw this video 😃
Yeah I always found that a bit annoying. I wish she had more natural hair.
Yeah I don't think Dana even knows what Latina afro is
Agree but isn't Luz based on a real person?
@@maryyy222-z4j that make it worse because they didn't even give Luz any of her VA black features like her hair
As a big Percy Jackson book fan, I vowed to not care about the movies after seeing lightning thief (hated it). So the first time I heard about this movie, was about the complaints. First thought was, “must have casted a black actress.” And when I looked her up, I was not surprised. Pretty girl though, too bad the world around her isn’t.
When I saw Leah Sava Jeffries had been cast for the series (not a movie), I very quickly thought, "People aren't gonna be happy about this." And that's sad.
No cause that happened to me too and I've never even read Percy Jackson, just seen enough fanart to know that Annabeth is blonde with blue eyes. My first thought was literally "oh no people's anti-blackness is about to be come out again", and unfortunately I was proven right. Like they haven't even started filming yet, people forget blonde braids and other styles exist for black girls, and THE CREATOR OF THE BOOKS HIMSELF SAID SHE'S EVERYTHING HE ENVISIONED THE CHARACTER TO BE.
Also I've heard that Annabeth being blonde is important to her character because she debunking the dumb blonde trope by being smart and strong, and some yt people feel like that's being taken away from them. Sure that was fine for when the books came out but it's 2022 and that's not as common now, don't you think young black girls also want to see themselves being the smartest person in the room and more than a stereotype?
I'm honestly kinda sad I wasn't a Percy Jackson kid cause this announcement would've had me sobbing from happiness
@@raynacarraway440 Annabeth is a rebuke of the dumb blond stereotype, but as someone who was obsessed with PJO when I was younger and still am, it’s more significant that she can be feminine and strong, and balance logic with emotion. Like everyone has said, she can always dye her hair/get another style etc (although I hope they won’t straighten it)! If people care that much, they can just read the original books again for their white annabeth🧐. If Rick says she’s the perfect Annabeth, then she is lmao. Most of the time, non white people (as with other minorities) are expected to frame their experiences around white characters who will never look like them. Having a black Annabeth is revolutionary, and I wish more people would appreciate that rather than throw a hissyfit because she’s black (plus the obvious racism)
Thankfully the first news I saw about this was people PRAISING that choice, which either shows I'm in some really great social circles, or the parts of social media I'm in are healing. I'm really excited to see her as Annabeth!
@@raynacarraway440 the funny thing is that the blonde trope was mentioned in the second series and like one line at most so I don't understand why people are making such a big deal of it (besides racism). Plus Rick has said that the whole point of Percy Jackson is diversity and not judging people by stereotypes (which ironic considering how ppl are reacting) so it stands to reason that a black person would have way more stereotypes than a blonde person
When I saw the cast for the new Percy Jackson, my first thought was "they're so cute! At least they got actual kids this time and not twenty year olds pretending to be 16" And then my second thought was fear and anxiety for the girl they got to play Annabeth, and the inevitable hate she's gonna get. Like, do people have nothing better to do other than bully a child on the internet?
The Clawdeen situation reminds me of how they casted Logan Browning to play Sasha in Bratz.
it was the exact same thing.
"You are more likely to find a black person being a fan something with a majority white cast than a white person being a fan of something with a majority black cast"...
And JUST LIKE THAT, you got yourself a new subscriber because you're speaking
FREAKING FAAAAACCCCTTTSSSS!
This happens in every fandom all the time. That Asian Star Wars actress got bullied out of Social Media for being a Mary Sue. Ppl rallied against Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter just because he had the wrong eye color. Batman nerds made a petition to get Pattinson off the movie, called him unmanly and whatnot. Captain Marvel is hated to next level. It all comes down to grown ppl acting like spoiled kids when their fave characters don't look the way they did 1k years ago
And all that is valid, but there's another dimension added, when black people are casted, its like people can't relate to anyone who didn't/hasn't lived your exact life which is stupid.
It's clear as day that The Owl House fandom is racist when everyone simps for traumatized teen and ugly main antagonist but not for the only hot man in the show Darius and guess which character is black hmmm
Wait please don't tell me this is how I find out people simp for Emperor Belos- sad part is I'm not even surprised. I'm not even a fan of Darius but BELOS?!
@@raynacarraway440 ok Joe from You and now Belos. Are these guys mental or something???
i absolutely love darius
He always seemed fairly popular within the fandom to me. People were constantly geeking out over his design, making compilations of him, talking about his abilities, and I think they still are.
It's been a hot minute since I've watched the owl house or interacted with fandom content though, so what I say should be taken with a grain of salt.
I don't think that most people don't simp for Darius cuz he's black (although there are probably some people who don't simp for him cuz they're racist). I've seen more people simping for Darius than for Belos, and I think people who simp for Belos like his voice and his looks because, i mean, he does look kinda good (but I personally hate him)
And there are more people who simp for Hunter because 1. His looks 2. His age (there are many teens in toh fandom) and especially because he has a sad backstory, traumas and that stuff
Idk, I personally simp for Hunter and Raine and not for Darius, but it's not because he's black. And people who simp for Belos need therapy
Like some non-black people I'm friends with will make black OCs, and geek out about animes with me, but when I tell them to watch Cannonbusters, an anime with a majority black cast, suddenly it's "not their cup of tea" 😒
The whole annabeth thing is the Rue situation all over again….
But Rue was black in the books.
Annabeth is white.
@@melancholygirl7793 Exactly and people still defaulted her to white 🤦🏾♂️
I hate that so many nonblacks have a hard time relating to black characters just because we don’t look like them
@@melancholygirl7793 it don’t matter lol. The author literally cast the girl. Argue with Rick if you’re mad
@@melancholygirl7793 Annabeth is black
It was scary when it happened to The Flash series and that black crew got treated dirty its depressing
I guess since Annabeth is more or less on the cover:
*You **_will not_** harrass or mob or chase after Ms. Leah in the new Percy Jackson and the Olympians TV show on Disney Plus.*
Also, considering and remembering that many white, though sometimes non-Black people, inside of those Percy Jackson and Heroes of Olympus fanbases tended to be condesending or rude to the POC characters and fans at best, or simply racist and bigoted at worst. Simply put I suppose: the precedent was there.
As was the environment.
As was the gunpowder.
All it needed was enough of a spark.
The star fire segment is spot on, and as a white person with mostly black friends it always bugged me. It’s basically saying “no you’re not allowed to see yourself in this character because they are white and can only ever be white” which is bullshit.
That's because she's a alien with orange skin she's not even remotely black straight hair, curly, perm that's what she got she's not human
The Starfire one is weird. She's an alien....that means that our race as humans do not apply to her, so she isn't white black or Asian. So it shouldn't matter what race she is in the live action lmao. I actually think that her being black is more fitting to her character because Starfire has big hair and can absorb the light from the sun....sounds familiar lol.
I was SHOCKED when I found out Luz was afrolatina. I always thought she was latina cuz where is the afro???
HOW YOU AFRO LATINO WITH NO AFRO
I see Luz as a Dominican with some black ancestry rather than a primarily black girl. I feel like Dana just said Luz was Afro-Latina without really thinking about what that would mean.
This was so informative! I always thought it was weird Luz was full- blood Afro Latina and she had such straight hair/ general Causasian features outside of the coloring, but I never said anything or thought on it too much because I never heard a black person speak up about it, so I thought I was seeing something where it wasn’t there.
Seriously, it's hard to voice your opinions on black matters when everybody (most likely not black) is telling you you're wrong, it doesn't matter, "this media is my fantasy and adding black people ruins it". It's even worse when it comes to anime. No matter how many examples of anti-blackness is brought up. It's a 90° uphill battle and at this point I don't want to notified by multi paragraph comments on how what I say doesn't matter.
It's SO blatant in anime, too! So it's like...wtf it's right there, why are you so willing to defend an anime, but not a whole group of people.
That's why I'm supporting Deicide Your Fate lol
Omg I know right! Especially anime, there’s isn’t one anime I know that has a black/poc character asides Basquash (I think), and the ones that do add us in their anime give us that weird ashy “never knew lotion existed since birth” type skin tone 🤢. As a black tween girl who wants to animate and draw cartoons/anime when I grow up, trust me, unlike most cartoons/media in general these days, diversity will not be missed! 😉
@@Konata_TheRappa07 There are black characters, just not many. I say that in the sense that the character is 100% and not just dark-skinned. I kinda have mixed feelings saying a male character is black when their hair is straight. And that's just supporting characters. We're lucky to get one in the main cast.
I would suggest checking out webtoons though if you're looking for rep in the main lead. Mostly women, I prefer male leads but I've only found 2. I could give you some recommendations if you're interested.
@@biecie oh ok! Just find some that are appropriate for my age tho! I don’t wanna find questionable stuff on them ;-; it’s been a while since I’ve watched some good anime asides card capter Sakura and Little witch academia
Not only is your content well written and edited but your merch is poppin! Like I be seeing some UA-camr merch look basic as hell and not worth my coin. But you are one the few with the cutest designs ever! Keep doing you girl
thank you so much!!
We had this conversation the other day on Twitter about how mixed Black girls are very detached with their Blackness in these cartoons
That resulted in the creator of Kipo Age of the Wonderbeasts telling us that Kipo wasn’t supposed to be considered Black, just Korean. Even though her mom is Korean and her dad is Black🤔🤔🤔
I understand he(creator) was trying to say it wasn’t on his mind at the time of designing her, but I think it shows how much these shows rely on Black cultures(cuz Kipo uses a lot of references of Black culture and the two other main leads are Black) but don’t want them to be the main MAIN face
@@BratzRockAngels that's the thing with development they change plus not all black people gonna you know act the same
@@kendriccoley7053 They are talking about her literal design dude.
@@kenshix7902 yeah no duh
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I don’t know what was the point of that response tbh
@@afrolens9532 cause I said the development changes when creating a character
At this point nothing will change! There will always be racist or ignorant people. Even if a actress who’s black wins a role by her natural effort, people will hate her if she is having a role of a white character. The same if we get a black female lead in a cartoon, or a black male lead. No one watches or promotes it. Only a small minority.
But white and Asian characters get hyped and pushed to the core. We are the problem and the racists. There needs to be support for original black cartoon characters that are written well, and also support for actress who are black that win leading roles in huge franchises.
Original stories in cartoons of black characters need to be popular and famous. I’m tired of having black actresses only replace characters who are white, they deserve there own stories to be celebrated too. Give them there own stories.
Can't win, she should just exist that project.
Asians don't get hyped but ok.
@@veggiechutney6689 ? Look at anime! You can’t lie there. Many anime characters who are Japanese are famous and popular worldwide, while the black characters in cartoons don’t have that. It’s either white cartoons or anime characters that are famous.
In tv they need more rep especially south Asians. But I’m talking about cartoons.
@@Thesilentvoice... I think that the East Asians who are romanticized are pretty much exclusively Korean and Japanese people (Kpop and anime), since I’ve noticed that other parts of Asia like SEA, South Asia, and West Asia tend to get ignored, mocked or fetishized. Obv I think that black representation is more important especially now, I just wanted to put that out there
kinda sad so many people have not seen proud family.
As a white eastern european i didn't even knew that show existed for the longest time, despite me watching a lots of cartoons as a kid. At first i thought that maybe i was too young to catch it when it aired and that tv just didn't care to rerun it. But as it turns out, it never even aired here in the first place.
It's kind of upsetting.
Speaking on the whole "people getting angry that their childhood fave is black now" from something more personal to me, April O'Neil from Rise of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. We get one version of the character who's not white and still has red hair like her previous counterparts, and the grown cis men who had big crushes on the white versions when they were kids lose their minds. Rise gets a lot of hate in general, but the way some people will link one of the reasons they dislike it to the fact that one of the main characters is black now is way too common and gross. April's voice actress Kat Graham said multiple times she loved getting to play the strong and funny black girl she always wanted to see in shows when she was younger, which encapsulates what me and so many other black girls who grew up with TMNT feel about this version. So naturally she's the most hated simply because of the color of her skin, it's sick.
Also ik this is more coincidence than anything but I do find it very ironic that the most hated version of TMNT is the one with the most diverse main cast amongst the voice actors (2 of the 4 turtles are voiced by black people + April, the main female lead), and the most black-coded versions of the characters amongst the many iterations over the years. Whenever I see human au fanart for the Rise turtles they are always drawn as poc and it's usually it's Raph and Mikey as black, Leo as asian or blasian and Donnie as blasian or white but tan in terms of skin tone (though I have seen them all be black too so it's mainly up to artist interpretation). It's basically an unspoken and (from what I've seen) unanimously agreed upon rule in the fandom that the Rise boys are not white, and as someone who grew up looking at TMNT fanart I can tell you I never saw the previous iterations depicted as black by fans when shown as human, they were always white or a vauge paleness associated with whiteness
Oh the irony is April O'Neil was Black in the early run of the TMNT comics before they suddenly made her white. 🙄
So April being Black in Rise actually is accurate to the character! Also, I absolutely love the Rise fandom! I love the human au's in the Rise fandom! They are all amazing! Yeah the hatred to the Rise of the TMNT is very telling!😬
Also, Kat Graham 100% deserves more love! She is an amazing voice actress and actress in general! She didn't deserve all the hate she got!
Immediately after I got a notification for this video, My mind went straight to Rise! April. I loved her so much in this version (everyone in this version really lol).
If anything, what people hated about this series, I actually enjoyed and now Rottmnt holds a special place in my top 5 cartoons to watch over again.
@@arabellasterwerf7980 April being black in the Mirage comics technically isn't true as she doesn't actually have a confirmed race, which is the only reason I didn't mention it as I used to use that argument too. The creators themselves have two separate answers, Kevin Eastman says she was mixed like the woman she got her name and appearance from while Peter Laird always saw her as white.
Really it's up in the air and up to fan interpretation since it is a black and white comic aside from that one color image, but once she got the red hair her overall traits and ethnicity were basically set in stone for years to come. Everything else you said is spot on though!
@@raynacarraway440 As someone who have read the Mirage comics, April’s race constantly changed in the first issues.😂
But she definitely wasn't White. That was way later in the Mirage comics run. In the beginning comics, she was definitely more depicted as mixed as you said. But even for many issues, she was drawn as a Black woman. That's why I was saying that April not being White is honestly pretty accurate to the beginning of the Mirage comics. It was only later that she suddenly became a white character with red hair out of nowhere. Even then, for a long time she still had curly black hair for a bit before the red hair. Interesting about the creators though! Didn't know about that! They definitely weren't consistent there!😂
@@shahradevoe9262 That’s awesome!! Yeah Rise of the TMNT is such a good show! I absolutely adore April O'Neil in the show! She is my favorite April!💛💚
LUZ IS BLACK? Bruh, as a black person I'm tired of non-black people drawing us like white people dipped in chocolate, please learn to draw our black features correctly y'all. There's tutorials 💀
It’s sad that these are the things I’ve noticed since I was a kid and I have experienced people in my script writing classes (mainly the teachers) who will say things like “Why do characters have to be black?”
Black people have the right to make their characters black if they want to. I will never make main characters who are not black.
Period.
No for real! I noticed this a lot. Thank you for talking about this. This shows that they really don't care about us. 😌
This was such a good video i literally remember people attacking the actress that was playing starfire in the live action teen titans to the point she deleted her social media like starfire is a f*** alien so it wouldn't matter who played her 🤦🏿♂️
I still remember the freak out that people had when rue was cast. I literally saw people saying that they couldn't see her as innocent and that she can't represent the innocence of prim like she's supposed to in the book all because of her skin tone. People really thought that little white girl = innocence but yet little black girl made it impossible to picture and equal innocence.
nobody even dragged the asian boy for playing beast boy even though he's suppose to be green like the comics.
they like us for style and what we provided to culture, but when we wanna be in the spotlight it’s a problem. just be real, say y’all don’t like black people, and stay out of our spaces and our shit.
I am so appreciative of your channel and your commentary on the anti-blackness in the media landscape; you make very valid points and as a white person, I appreciate you making me uncomfortable with my complacency and I definitely feel like I have been sleeping on some really great movies and TV shows, I shall continue to work on my allyship and broadening my viewing horizons 🖤 Thank you again for making this kind of content, it is what i need to keep me accountable 🖤
The fact that their racially abusing and harassing the actress casted as Leah.. it reminds me of what happened with Halle. Mind you they made Grover South Asian/ Desi and Percy has blonde hair yet their not being harassed or dragged at. It’s all anti-blackness.
I haven't seen The Owl House so I had no idea Luz Noceda was supposed to be Afro-Latina. I thought she was, like, mixed Indigenous and White.
EVERYTHING YOU SAID IN THIS VIDEO IS FACTSSSS especially about how they cant relate to black characters so they always end up the least popular. even in a show like gossip girl where the 2 main characters were black the most popular character was audrey.
It also happened to Candice Patton when she was first cast as Iris West. That’s actually how the Snowbarry ship started. And the hate for Candice was VILE :(
Like they could've just focused on Iris as a character, cause her writing was kinda bad, but NOOOOOO.
I discovered how much they hated her when they didn't even try to hide their racism. I was shocked by all the disgusting comments I've read.
I'm not into the Percy Jackson books as much anymore but the hatred towards the new actress for Annabeth is disgusting. Isn't Annabeth just said to be blonde and that's it? I don't remember anything about her specific race. And also; this is a world with demigods and stuff, so a black girl with blonde hair isn't unrealistic in that world so....
Hope the hate stops :(
I _guess_ her race was _implied_ in the books, but that doesn't mean it has to be the same in the series. Look at Pepper in Good Omens the book versus Pepper in Good Omens the miniseries: freckled redhead (probably White) in the book, Black in the series. And they're both the essence of Pepper: mischievous tomboy who will punch you if you call her by her given name (Pippin Galadriel Moonchild).
She’s white…
@@keli15yearsago6 like confirmed directly in the book? I only remember her being blonde, but I don't remember a lot about the books.
She had straight blond hair and grey eyes, and the official art (both versions) was of a white girl. So she is a canonically white character, but the only important part of that was her being blond to combat the dumb blond stereotype. All they have to do is… dye her hair blond😭😭 But blond stereotypes are not nearly as prevalent as stereotypes/racism about black girls. Having a black girl as Annabeth will be amazing, especially because her story will have even more layers with a black girl at the face of it. Being underestimated because of appearance? Being treated badly by her stepmother for something she doesn’t control? Learning to balance emotion and logic because of the way people view her? Always expecting herself to be strong? Viewing readings as escapism and feeling like she can’t rely on anyone else??? Hello??? These will have so many more layers with a black girl representing them.
Yea, when I read the book and Athena’s cabin was described as all being blond with grey eyes, I assumed that meant regardless of whatever race they were.
I love black stories. I wish we had more of them. I agree with everything you’re saying. We need a media that does more than pretend to get it but a media that not only actually gets it but Is willing to portray people of color more realistically and less stereotypically
If they wanted to make her hair just be straightened, ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS SHOW A STRAIGHTENER AT SOME POINT they blew it when they got her hair wet and didn't show a single curl
11:44 ppl throwing fits abt black VAs dubbing anime characters over white VAs is so wild to me cause like those characters aren't white to begin with... racists will find anything to get pressed abt 😭
It is weird for me nowadays to be on the discussion of cartoons and stuff cuz I mostly consume music and barely watch stuff, but this discussion goes outside of cartoons because you're right. I think the biggest example i can give of how bad racism and white favoritism over the black stories is shows in the Owl House, because Dana Terrace and the everyone with power over what happens in that show really show their white favoritism. Despite Luz being the main character in her own show, she has been getting shunted aside from her personal problems by Hunter, the white angsty boy, and not only its the creators on this shit, but the fandom at large. The amount of stories I have heard and seen of racism against people that bring this up is infiruating (all the way up there with the time the Encanto fandom caused a person to commit suicide).
Y'all can literally do better by just consuming more media ANYWHERE that is centered around non-white, black casts because lemme tell you, it aint that hard unless you are the one with the bigoted mindset. I am not even black, but even when I am a Latino person on the internet, all it takes is to care. So with that out in mind, here's a good list of music by black artists that you should go check out:
-Yola and like all her music, cuz she's an amazing country singer
-Shamir because his musical development over the years has been bonkers and his latest album, "Heterosexuality" is the best album of 2022 so far. If you like your genre dish to be super freaking diverse, here's your first stop.
-McKinley Dixon, if you are fan of Kendrick Lamar's "To Pimp a Butterfly" or jazz-influxed hip hop then you should definetly check him out.
-BACKXWASH because "I LIE HERE BURIED WITH MY RINGS AND MY DRESSES" is the best album of 2021 and probably my favorite hip hop album period.
-Janelle Monae, cuz I'm legally obligated by myself to shout her out.
-Algiers, if you are fan of both punk and industrial inflicted soul music. Seriously the go so fucking hard.
-Asiahn, for some BEAUTIFUL sapphic RnB. Everyone can enjoy this music because she's just an incredible artist and her Orchestral version of her 2021 EP is so delightful.
Also PLEASE go watch Craig of The Creek. It's like the best cartoon ever made. PLEASE
You mentioning Jump In just unlocked a part of my memory I completely forgot. What a good movie. Corbin Bleu my beloved, Disney never figured out how to condition your hair so it wasn't dry as fuck and you deserved better
I didn't even know Luz was black, I just thought she was a mixed latina.
its crazy how people are trying to argue with the author of the damn books...
Yesssss thank you for talking about this
love you sis!!
4:58 when you we're talking about black characters have less fanart and fanfic this reminded me of the haikyuu Fandom with Ojiro Aran he's a black character and the ace on his team and I never see him in fanart wit the rest of his team or even mentioned in fanfic its like he doesn't even exist.
In reponse to the lack of fanart for POC characters, speaking for myself: I'm a digital artist and I like drawing characters of all backgrounds. What I have noticed when sharing my art is that most people graviate to light skin/white characters. When you are trying to build an audience, especially in the art community, you have to follow the trend. My best performing character art is the Dream SMP boys, specifically Slimsicle for some reason. But when I drew Ponk, a POC SMP member, his art didn't get nearly as much attention/engagment as the other players. What I learned is that POC characters don't get that much engagment and thus many just don't share their art because there's no gain for doing so. I draw POC characters because I am a POC, but I don't always share them cause that's not what my audience is looking for. Do I post them to my Artstation? Hell yes as it shows my character range. But do I post them to TikTok or Instagram as frequently? No cause the algorithm and audience on those plateforms don't favor POC creators or characters.
I would also say that the lack of POC fanart can also be due to lack of exposure. You say to go out and find these media, but the sad fact is that most wouldn't know where to look for good quality POC media/stories. Most media that get's advertise is geared towards a white audience, where a POC is just there to add drama or "wisdom". The backlash Amber got from Amazon's Invicible was harsh, but would she had faced the same backlash if they had kept her white like in the comics? Anyone that would have drew or cosplayed as her would have dealt with some level of hate, so they just didn't. But you can find plenty of Fanart for Eve and Mark no problem.
The only recent POC fanart I can think of that was postivly accepted was Garnet from Steven Universe. We all knew that Garnet was Black coded, but many used the argument that "She's not human, she's a gem/alien so race doesn't apply to her." But to me, Garnet was a character I could look up to, both cause Garnet is my birthstone and because she reminded me of my late mother, a strong but caring black woman who put her family first. And ever since I have tried to find characters that resonate with me like she does, but they are hard to find. Just my two cents, sorry if I rambled.
Don't forget to talk about the fanfiction on Black characters that ARE actually written by non-Black authors, but have a heavy "blaccent", says the n-word alot (written "n-word"), and acts like an animal. Why is this character who lives in a post-apocalypse talking like that? They don't even do that in the show! It's to the point where I don't even read fanfiction for the (few) Black characters I see anymore.
And people DON'T like watching Black stories (unless it's sterotypical - everyone loves a slave). People will get mad when their favorite character is replaced by a black actor, ignoring the fact that the studios did that in the hopes they can get Black money without devoting actual time or money making a Black story. The studios don't even protect their Black actresses, who most times get death threats! People would rather get violent with a (usually young), Black woman, then be mad at the head of a studio (usually an old white man), who's so lazy and so money-hungry that he resorts to these "Black-washing" tactics. It's ridiculous!
The level of hatred and vitriol black people, especially black women, get from simply being cast in things will never not disappoint the everliving crap out of me.
We just can’t win no matter what we do. 😞
hi! i’m hoping to find some plot-heavy animated shows featuring a more diverse cast, specifically with black characters? or animated shows written/created by black creators? i want to widen my media diet and support black stories, but i’m having trouble finding anything like what i’m looking for, thanks! :)
There's a lot of times nowadays that I don't watch primarily black shows mainly because a lot of primarily black cast shows fall into the trap that they have to be a program that teaches white people about racism. Now I'm fine with that type of story, even I write storylines about racial issues. But it seems like if there's a black majority we must talk about how racist everything is, and it gets tiring. That's why I prefer to watch 90's and 80's black shows like, living single, fresh prince, martin, ect because they were just allowed to be black with the occasional political issue. I just don't feel like poc, but especially black people get to be that anymore. But if you need a good show with black characters I recommend Craig Of The Creak, it's really diverse, creative, and centers and black boy. I couldn't recommend it more.
Exactly
I don't even watch owl house and I wouldn't have known that character was Afro-Latina if you hadn't told me... I think that pretty much proves your point
i rlly hope the issue of Luz (and her family) not having black features reaches dana terrace, i wanna see Luz with black features, hopefully there will be change in the 3rd season, although sadly it doesnt seem so likely..
Zazie Beetz was really cool as Domino from Deadpool 2. Domino is originally white and named after her black eye spot. But dominoes are typically black with white spots. So black domino makes more sense and they changed her eye spot to be a result of vitiligo. Zazie's Domino just has a more concrete and focused design
your bonnet is so cute, Miraculous even
When I saw the casting announcements for Annabeth and Grover, being a picture of the three at the site they'd be filming, that told me that they waited until the last possible minute to put the announcements out, and I knew for a fact it was because the racist backlash the crew knew there was gonna be. I was happy for Annabeth and Grover's actors, excited to see the diversity that generally lacked in the PJO series, but also felt EXTREMELY scared for these two kids *especially* Leah because I remembered the controversy around the Little Mermaid live action casting. I also knew there was racism in the PJO fandom and white favortism.
Like let's take a look at the fact that all the series Rick wrote with white MCs/majority white MCs such as PJO, HOO, TOA, and Magnus Chase, have much more fan-made content compared to the story he wrote with two biracial (black and white) MC siblings, Sadie and Carter Kane, the Kane Chronicles. The Kane Chronicles is an _amazing_ book series (I haven't read the final book tho I still needa find it) but very few people pay attention to it unlike how they do for Percy Jackson, a character written as white (I still like to hc book Percy as Latino tho-), or Magnus Chase, who is also white, or Apollo again white. And then Heroes of Olympus where the fandom centers around Percy, Annabeth, and Nico and plus Leo, who's Latino but written with stereotypes (I still love him tho) and maybe a comment about Reyna's strength here and there or her being shipped with Thalia (white character) who swore herself to maidenhood and then Frank and Hazel are completely forgotten while most of the Piper art I've seen is of her being shipped with Jason or Annabeth. Oh and also the eurocrentricity of Piper's, an Indigenous American person, features.
TL;DR - I saw the unfortunate racism that the PJO TV cast would face - especially Leah - from almost a mile away.
What gets me upset is that the same people that complain about making white characters black in artwork won't give that same time of day to original and established black characters and their stories created by the same people that make that artwork in the first place. Basically.
Black artist: *Makes their favorite character black for representation*
Racist: That's blackwashing, why can't y'all make your own stories?? If you can do that, why can't I whitewash black characters? This is hypocrisy!!!
The same black artist: *Makes their own original black character and stories.*
The same racist: Eww, what is this woke SJW garbage??? This character is so lame and unoriginal.
What do y'all want from us???
"i wear my sunglasses at night :D"
"no!"
"shut up!!" i choked on my spit-
As a fan of pjo, I am really glad you are talking about this isssue because youknowwho are showing dey bare behinds!
I can’t wait for Halle as Ariel
Harriyanna You need to talk the anti blackness of “gingercide” like how are they going to compare prejudice against redheads with the prejudice of other races such as black people🤨…
😂 so im not the only person who's witnessed this 'outrage' too? and what makes it even funnier is that i don't think many people are aware that it's possible to simultaneously be brown nd a ginger
okay as a white redhead myself i have never understood that like. black people can have naturally red hair too if i'm not mistaken lmaooo cmon
also the whole "redheads are going extinct" thing isnt even true either that was a myth that was debunked, so if that's our argument it immediately falls apart.
@@aviatress5643 So true👏🏾!!!
oh they use the eyedrop tool......right on the highlights. I swear!
"Guys it's the lighting I swear 🥺" *shows fanart 3 shades lighter than the original character*
@@myaccount3358 The lighting: a really big light box.
Nice to see some Lovie Simone appreciation in the thumbnail 😌✨, she honestly deserves more roles 🥴🖐🏿
This is the whole reason I wrote my fanfiction for my favorite character in the School for Good and Evil series. It's called "The Princess Knight" on AO3 if anyone wants to check it out. I love to see you talk about this because I feel like I'll be the only student talking about this in my English department in certain courses.
I used to read those books. What character are you talking about.
@@PrincessLioness Nicola
@@lioness1279 Cool, I think I’m going to check it out. I wish you success. Do you want to be a writer?
@@PrincessLioness Thank you I'm actually an English major in college. A lot of my professors recommended writing fanfiction as a starting point to get used to releasing works.
@@lioness1279 That’s what I wanted to do as well. I wanted to be a writer (still do when I become a stahm) and I decided to write fanfic as practice, but my adhd would always prevent me for getting far. I’m a bug planner so I want some chapters written and the whole story in mind before I uploaded anything, but I never did. I don’t know what happened to my old notebooks.
Anime fans are the worst when it comes to who voices their waifus. There is truly something weird about it, but they do get outraged when you "ruin" their 2D faves.
When it comes to anime dubs its even more hillarious bc they don't speak lile real people or even lile other animated shows. Its english anime dub style, and maybe its because Im face/voice blind, but I cant even tell what their ethnicity is.
A lot of anime fans are very anti black
Hopefully we’ll get more black stories in the future. Would you make a Wordgirl video?
Can you please make a video about the misogynoir of Teen Titans? There was 0 black girl in the main cast, In fact the only black female character was Bumblebee, that's it! And Bumbleebee was weak and barely got any screentime. Plus was constantly arguing with others and got beaten up a lot, even by Cyborg in one episode! I really wish the show had more diversity and well written black female characters.
BumbleBee is treated like absolute sh!t in Teen Titans Go. Like, the characters are so damn mean to her and all she does is try to be nice to them. I get that it's supposed to be comedy, but it's odd when she's the only black girl in the show being made fun of.
frfr tho!!
Ehh that's a bit of a reach. If you wanted to say there wasn't much blackness I'd agree with you but it certainly didn't delve into anything specifically against black women. The lack of diversity is more symptomatic of the source material and the fact that a third of the characters have green or grey skin color and I think the show made a considerable effort to reconcile with some of the more problematic aspects of it. I liked Bumblebee too; she didn't get the royal treatment or anything but I don't think she was treated unfairly.
As someone who recently re-watched Teen Titans, Bumblebee whopped Cyborg’s ass their first meeting. While she didn’t get much screentime, I think Bumblebee was fine as a character.
@@anentiresleeveoforeos2087 same as well
in my recommendeds, i thought it said this video was posted nine months ago but i saw annabeth in the thumbnail and thought you had clairvoyance or something
Jump In is severely underrated! I haven’t heard of Selah and the Spades, but it looks right up my alley. I have Amazon prime, but I barely go on Prime Video. Last show I watched on there was Harlem, and it was because the promo popped up on IG.
I didn’t realize Luz was afro Latina and I was just about to start seriously watching it
I honestly been so frustrated by the doll community as well. I’m glad it’s not just me. I can’t find black dolls in the same quantity that don’t look ashy or are wearing “ethnic or historical” outfits. Specifically in the bJD community…
Giiirl, you’re speaking facts !!! Period!!! Love your videos (from France 🇫🇷)
People still talk about gravity falls and yet I never see people talk about Kipo age of the Wonderbeasts when discussions of good modern cartoons come up
Yeah kipo became one of my favorite cartoons after watching it last year. I swear no one talks about that show. It's weird.
All Netflix cartoons are underrated
I definitely agree that people are very vocal yet never take any genuine action
I hate it when people completely misuse relatability and representation when it applies to diversity in media.
When; minorities say they would like a cast to be more diverse, when they add a character of color to a pre existing property, or when a big company puts out work with a majority poc cast- the response "i feel represented by characters I can relate to (i have seen this be said and i wanted to break my phone), this is sjw shit, why do they always have to bring politics into this, i can't relate to this character because A B C and D."
Like...nothing is stopping you from relating to ANY character, media about animals literally never get this type of conversation because nobody is an animal watching this stuff, but everyone can relate to squidward spongebob or Patrick. So why is that when pixar comes out with an movie about a 13 year old Asian canadian girl nobody remembers what it's like to be a teenager👀😤 why is it that when Disney chooses to let the race of a character not matter on the big screen it's a crime against their childhood (when the original movie still exist and is easily accessible), why is it that when we wanna call people out for black washing characters (not them saying that they're fixing anything cuz that's bad but straight up just making an interpretation of a character they like and honestly just giving inspiration to black cosplayers to just do whatever they want) the conversation is "this is bad don't do this if you want more black characters go make your own" but then don't plug independent artist or black media(that last point may or may not have been relevant to my original point👀)
BASICALLY to sum it up with this example, I love winx club, my favorite fairy is flora, i relate to Flora, TECHNICALLY i am represented by Aisha, because SHE'S the black fairy and Flora is technically the Hispanic/Latina fairy (Flora being modeled after Jennifer Lopez and Aisha being modeled after Beyonce). There is a difference and the only situations where people try to act like there is no difference is when they want to be open about being a bigot without saying it.
Thank you for reading my rant😁💖
22:44 omg I LOVE PARADISE KISS so much! I feel like we have so many shows that are hyped but aren’t as nuanced as PK just because it came out a long time ago.
Thank you for your important video ! I found myself here after the Percy Jackson Casting was out and a white friend of mine was so disappointed and wanted me to tell her she wasn’t racist bc of her disappointment.
I'm black and since I was little I wanted to see characters like me on screen. My white friends always got represented and every single time I said I want to cosplay a character they would go like "No but the character is white so you can't cosplay them". Since I watch a lot of anime that was always a problem. So I'm used to seek for characters who I can relate and not only on the personality. I'm always happy when I'm watching/reading something and there's a black character on it.
Yet, things like the cast of anabeth makes me sad and kind of... Don't wanting representativeness... If that's make sense. I mean, I saw the lord of rings fanbase go all on rage and hate bc there was two minor roles on the new amazon prime tv shows played by black people. The whole fandom was explicitly racist and there's no one saying a thing about it. So before the announcement of Leah's casting I was hoping they won't cast a black girl as Anabeth. Not bc I didn't want to see a mainstream important character as a poc, neither bc I didn't knew the importance of being represented. But I was so afraid that a 12 years old child would have to go over such hate as went with lotr.
And so she was. It didn't take a day for the so called representative fanbase of poj to take down her accounts and give hate for the actress. Thankfully she seems to be dealing fine with this, I suppose she already expected. But no one should experience things like this, specially not a little girl. And for what sake? Anyway, I wish these people could understand there's no difference on anabeth skin's color...
THANK YOU SOOO MUCH FOR TALKING ABOUT LUZ! It's always been a shh shh topic for me because TOH fans get SUPER defensive, but her ethic representation in general is sooo badly done (coming from a white half-dominican). I can't speak about her blackness, but from my experience growing up in Latin America she doesn't look like an afro-latina, much less an afro-caribbean. For her hair I do think it could be explained by the plain racism in Dominican Republic (EVERYONE straightens their hair since curly hair is called “cabello malo”-literally “bad hair”), but they didn't include anything afro-latina looking in her design. Furthermore, the latina representation in the show is so surface level, it could be removed completely and the plot wouldn't even change. Luz wasn't created being thought of as an afro-latina character, and that is an actual fact you can look up. And it is such a shame
I’m waiting on the Harriyana Hook Documentary
6:07 yeah like Gus is very obviously black but for Luz you wouldn't be able to tell if Dana hadn't said it was
17:55 you just gave me the best flashback of my childhood
i dont get why people get so pressed when black people get roles.. and they make it so obvious that theyre mad just cause the actor/actress in question is black "diversity points!!" whats wrong with having diversity ??
Love Parakiss, classic manga read it back in high school. Recommend the Skip Beat Manga
I dropped it after I found out that one of Kyoko's love interests was 20 and she was 16 or 15
@@strawberryjam6235 don't worry this is.ome of the most slow burn mangas you will ever read even I am still waiting and Kyoko is almost 19 now
When I first say the cast I was kinda bothered not because annabeth was being played by a black actress but since its not book accurate, but honestly after seeing her more I feel like she's going to be perfect for the role!! I hope people don't send her hate :)
Rollbounce is in my top 5 favorite movies. It’s such a feel-good film!
Is it still on Amazon prime? I think some of the problem is lack of marketing because I don't remember seeing ads for this movie 🤔
yes! its still there.
As a black girl, I was so excited for Ariel being black and the hate that the soon-to-be film just disappointed me. Hearing the word “blackwashing” is devastating.
When ppl were complaining about Halley Bailey being cast as Ariel, saying that it was taking away "redhead representation", that was absurd and infuriating.
Sellah and the Spades was a good movie and they got my guy Jharrel Jerome in there too. Should've been bigger.
I don’t mind the black woman playing starfire in the live action teen titians, just would’ve preferred her to be orange lol (kinda biased, I love the color orange) and also if they were teens too. Also we need more black superheroes
I'm back after watching the full video.
I still love Luz's design. She looks just like my younger sister. But also I think you might have over looked the fact that black is not a universal type of person. Luz is closer to me than she is to my younger sister in terms of who is as a character. My black experience is not the same as yours and vice versa. Your criticisms of Luz design and actions are both valid and reasonable. However, from my point of view Luz is perfect the way she is and doesn't need to "be fixed."
On a side note on this topic about character design for black characters. I don't have most black features and I'm a black man. It is entirely possible for a person like Luz to exist. The implications of saying her design is "lackluster" to your standards of blackness can cause the argument of the slippery slope fallacy. Just because her design is the way it is that doesn't mean she's not black enough. Thus my point in this, can you not say that someone isn't black enough in terms of designs?
Glad you brought this point up because when I heard it, something didn't feel right. Mixed people's appearances aren't always a 50/50 reflection of their parents. Also worth noting that the concept of race in Latin America/the Caribbean is viewed differently than it is in the US
@@kordeliiius9821
Not really. If anything, it’s very much intentional to wash out any traces of Black and/or indigenous features in our community by marrying having children with White people
That’s something we’ve known for years, and yet our communities are still very much racist against anyone with Afro textured hair and dark skin
This isn’t so much claiming Black people can’t looked mixed or ambiguous, but the problem lies when media only depicts Black girls as ambiguous as possible. Because the concept that a darkskinned Black girl with Afro textured hair being the MC is still too much for people
@@whoknows9085 honestly, I see both ur point and op’s point
Bruh, Luz is based off of a REAL afro latina woman, dana's old roommate, which many has pointed out she doesn't even look like said woman, as who knows has said, its about making BW look as ambiguous as possible, and again, its not even about her features as harry said, its about the fact she has no afro when her hair is wet, something the real life version of her has.
I love Roll Bounce. Don't know Jump In, thanks for the recommend.
bye i didnt even know luz was afro-latine…
I didn't think Luz was afro latina, I did assume latina bc of my own experience in cartoons.
Tan, lighter brown skin always translated to Hispanic for me, and Hispanics can have straight hair, but mostly I see wavy or curly hair.
Her hair is short, but at that length, many of my family would have some curls.
My children are Hispanic on one side and black on the other, and they do have straight hair if its close to their head (haven't seen it since they were babies), but if it was a long as Luz's (her hair seems to jaw-length), there would be curls at the top and bottom, unless its done to be like that.
What's funny is that all their hair is different. Their hair is kinda straighter when wet and detangle process, but curls up as it dries.
It would be nest to see that amount of detail in animation for Luz. And I think that's good criticism bc without that detail its ambiguous what her ethnicity is bc of the nature of abstract art styles. You can maybe argue she's anything that isn't pale white, but my experience and name made me think Hispanic naturally lol.
Before it stopped appearing on Disney Channel(at least in my country), I would watch "K.C. Undercover" EVERY DAY!
Blood and water is so good