Thank you for this. I always wondered about the cello "hiccup" at 1:15 and in later passages. I now see that he divides the last of a group of eighth notes into a sixteenth note preceded by a sixteenth rest. A mystery solved!
@@tonyhdz1379 And yet, is he really a full-blooded Romantic? I've always felt that Mendelssohn, given the conservative way he was trained, was the very last of the Classicists. He certainly wasn't a Romantic the way Schumann and Chopin were, for example - very different, and yet they lived at the same time. I'm weird though - I think Beethoven and Schubert, while being touched with Romanticism later on, were both Classicists as well.
@@JLeeGraham i think Schubert is like the best of classical and romantic. Basic chord progressions but added suspensions, dissonance, and extreme expressiveness
Predivna muzika , dominantna ta melodičnost karakteristična za Mendelsona.Ovaj snimak je mogao biti bolji gde bi u prvom planu bili gudači , koji su odlični , i klavir koji je prejak , valjda zbog snimka , a što mu i neide jer u brzim tempomat malo žuri , trči i često nije u simbiozi sa gudačima. To se dogadja ako je previše obuzet sobom i svojim tekstom npr pijanista, malo se usklađuje sa drugima ili isuviše ima zahtevan tekst , pa se bavi sobom .
Have you considered uploading the second and third of Mendelssohn's piano quartets? The score of the second is only on IMSLP in its individual parts, but the complete score of the third is on IMSLP.
You're right!! I should definitely do that, I thought it had already been uploaded. And btw I can actually find the complete score for the second quartet as well!
I feel sometimes Mendelssohn was an even greater prodigy than Mozart. Mozart's pieces in his early teens were nowhere as mature, sophisticated and engaging as the ones by Mendelssohn like these 3 lovely piano quartets, the double concertos, the string symphonies and especially the octet . However, Mozart got more publicity as a prodigy than Mendelssohn which created a legend around him..hence his name is what comes up first when musical prodigies are discussed
I think you may like early Romantic music more than Rococo/early Classical music and that may be coloring your perception. Mozart wrote a full scale opera buffa at 12 and a full scale opera seria at 15. He also wrote a string quartet at 15.
@@mohammedpasha1715 Yes but how often are these operas played ? Same applies for the early symphonies, string quartets, serenades (here I am defining early as pieces with K less than 200). It is charming music indeed, but its not close to the sublime, high classical style he'll achieve in his later years. Contrary to that, Mendelssohn was a finished product at 13. His musical style in the late classical, proto-romantic tradition was fully developed at 13 didn't change that much till his death. That is why, I consider Mendelssohn to be a bigger child prodigy (sometimes) than mozart
@@mohammedpasha1715 I see what he's saying here. Of course, saying that Mendelssohn was a greater prodigy than Mozart should not detract from Mozart's talent and skill as a child, but Mozart's music was so much more simple during his early years, and took up until nearly his death to reach the full maturity of his writing style. In Mendelssohn's case on the other hand, his music was on a level with other fully developed composers, I would say Mendelssohn's early writing style was nearly as developed and matured (From a standpoint of complexity) as the later music of Schubert, which took him until the end of his life to achieve.
@@jojomj ok, 1. Mendelssohns late works are much better than his early ones. This work can not compare to his piano trios and cello sonatas. 2. Mendelssohn was a great composer, but in the grand scheme of things, his place in the history of music is inconsequential. Schuberts song cycles and piano works dwarf everything Mendelssohn wrote. And his contemporaries Schumann and Chopin were more revolutionary than him. 3. Mozarts early works are better quality wise than anything Mendelssohn wrote. They arent performed as nearly as they should because of peoples revulsion to galant music. They are actual masterpieces, and they were still surpassed by later Mozart. Stop punishing Mozart for being a better composer than Mendelssohn.
Mendelssohn really was a greater prodigy than Mozart if we’re being honest when you compare compositions at the same age. The octet and midsummersnight dream are all teenaged pieces too.
Dunno why this was the first Mendelssohn piece to get published. There are some other great compositions which he wrote around the same time, for example the Piano Sonata in G minor or the Piano Concerto in A minor. I wonder why he didn't decide to publish them either.
I feel and believe that Mendelssohn is more better than Mozart and Beethoven in the Strings works and melidies. His violin concerto and the cello sonatas is a proof for my opinion
In my mind there's no doubt Mendelssohn was the greater prodigy. Apart from the three piano quartets written between 13 and 15, the following year at 16 he wrote his extraordinary Octet (ua-cam.com/video/0peHzvVE1xs/v-deo.html), and a year later at 17 the Overture to the Midsummer Night's Dream, both of which continue to have major places in the repertoire. Unlike Mozart, however, Mendelssohn didn't keep pushing toward even further growth stylistically, although he continued to write great music.
@@knd1940 Agreed - while both were youthful miracles, only Mendelssohn managed to get several pieces into the 21st century masterpiece & regularly-played repertoire. Where as Mozart's masterpieces only really came in adulthood. Paradoxically - where as Mozart was getting better & better & better with every year he lived - and therefore his death at 35 was a sore loss to the music world - Mendelssohn didn't really get much better after his teenage years -- yes there were more masterpieces to come, but also quite a lot of uninspired conservative music - and crucially - he failed to push the boundaries of music forward after his teenage years - in a way completely opposite of Mozart. Mendelssohn died at only 38 years old but few articles write with any authority or objectivity on the masterpieces of his we could have missed out on. Indeed his sister Fanny arguably developed considerably more during her lifetime!
You are not looking at the big picture. I love Mendelssohn as much as I love Mozart, but if you look at the big picture, it's clear that Mozart has been the greatest genius of western music. No one can be compared to him.
@@schubertuk The Symphony No. 25, which Mozart wrote when he was 17 years old, is a masterpiece, so even Mozart has a masterpiece among his teen works.
Honestly I'm not a huge fan of this. I feel like it lacks the creativity of his sextet, (which I believe he wrote around the same age.) This piece just relies too much on constant runs of thirds and eighth notes, rather than the more explorative and interesting rhythms of the sextet. But hey, still better than anything I can compose! Edit: the fourth movement is pretty decent
This is certainly not on par with his Octet. But it is unbelievable competent, and well structured for someone so young. Pleasant, not ground-breaking, not a masterpiece - but an amazing piece of history never the less.
@@schubertukI do think it's groundbreaking. What other piano quartets were there at the time ? Mozart's g minor and e flat major. Both amazing, but Mendelssohn goes a step closer. The equal role given to each instrument, the development section with amazing reversible counterpoint, even the very beginning with the strings alone no piano is extremely original, something you don't see anywhere else in a such formation before Mendelssohn. In my opinion the 3 quartets are better than Schumann's, and arguably as good as Brahms's.
@@arielorthmann4061 I fully understand my opinion may not be in the majority. I also accept that from a technical point of view - it is a masterpiece in that area, for the reasons you state. However - for me - and it is just my opinion, I find in the musicality area it fails to move me, hence me being slightly cool to it. If it is an unmitigated joy to you - hurrah! That is why I love music and I do not need nor desire everyone to agree with my opinions!
Do you not know what triplets are? They aren't a speed, they are a division of the beat. They can be as fast or slow as you want them, so long as they hold their metric function.
![Ernő Dohnányi - Piano Quintet No. 1 in C minor Op. 1 [score + audio]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/FDeiFfyftq8/mqdefault.jpg)
Mendelssohn composed this when he was 13. Most teens nowadays don't compose their first piano quartet until they're 15.
I was a real slacker, and didn't compose my first piano quartet until I was 17!
@@christopherfleming7505 im almost 17 and im just starting to do the same...
Geez! Being able to play the thing as well at 13?.Makes on wonder about genius doesn't it?
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Felix was a pure unbeatable teenage genius: symphony no. 1 (1824) and octet prove that.
Thank you for this. I always wondered about the cello "hiccup" at 1:15 and in later passages. I now see that he divides the last of a group of eighth notes into a sixteenth note preceded by a sixteenth rest. A mystery solved!
Such a fun piano part to play
It sure is!!
sublime music... why we love Felix,,,, music a gift from the divine it seems. Bravo!
These chamber works by Mendelssohn are so incredibly earwormy, well constructed and very fit for music study IMO. So glad I get to know them😊
Wait so he composed it when he was 13???
I am far from being able to bealive it o.o Schumann expressed himself right, he really was the Romantic Mozart!!
Mendelssohn was just as much of a child prodigy as Mozart.
@@tonyhdz1379 And yet, is he really a full-blooded Romantic? I've always felt that Mendelssohn, given the conservative way he was trained, was the very last of the Classicists. He certainly wasn't a Romantic the way Schumann and Chopin were, for example - very different, and yet they lived at the same time. I'm weird though - I think Beethoven and Schubert, while being touched with Romanticism later on, were both Classicists as well.
@@JLeeGrahamno i agree not weird there is definitely a lap over in their music
@@JLeeGraham i think Schubert is like the best of classical and romantic. Basic chord progressions but added suspensions, dissonance, and extreme expressiveness
Predivna muzika , dominantna ta melodičnost karakteristična za Mendelsona.Ovaj snimak je mogao biti bolji gde bi u prvom planu bili gudači , koji su odlični , i klavir koji je prejak , valjda zbog snimka , a što mu i neide jer u brzim tempomat malo žuri , trči i često nije u simbiozi sa gudačima. To se dogadja ako je previše obuzet sobom i svojim tekstom npr pijanista, malo se usklađuje sa drugima ili isuviše ima zahtevan tekst , pa se bavi sobom .
Have you considered uploading the second and third of Mendelssohn's piano quartets? The score of the second is only on IMSLP in its individual parts, but the complete score of the third is on IMSLP.
You're right!! I should definitely do that, I thought it had already been uploaded. And btw I can actually find the complete score for the second quartet as well!
@@carl.christiansson Oh, marvelous! Thank you so much!
@@talavb9301 Will try to upload the second one tonight!
Amaaazing
@@talavb9301 didn’t have time to finish but will upload in the morning 👍
Keep in mind that Beethoven and Schubert were still alive and well when this was written.
When Beethoven heard Mendelssohn's piano quartet, his only comment was: "Lauter!"
A love this.
I feel sometimes Mendelssohn was an even greater prodigy than Mozart. Mozart's pieces in his early teens were nowhere as mature, sophisticated and engaging as the ones by Mendelssohn like these 3 lovely piano quartets, the double concertos, the string symphonies and especially the octet . However, Mozart got more publicity as a prodigy than Mendelssohn which created a legend around him..hence his name is what comes up first when musical prodigies are discussed
I think you may like early Romantic music more than Rococo/early Classical music and that may be coloring your perception. Mozart wrote a full scale opera buffa at 12 and a full scale opera seria at 15. He also wrote a string quartet at 15.
@@mohammedpasha1715 Yes but how often are these operas played ? Same applies for the early symphonies, string quartets, serenades (here I am defining early as pieces with K less than 200). It is charming music indeed, but its not close to the sublime, high classical style he'll achieve in his later years. Contrary to that, Mendelssohn was a finished product at 13. His musical style in the late classical, proto-romantic tradition was fully developed at 13 didn't change that much till his death. That is why, I consider Mendelssohn to be a bigger child prodigy (sometimes) than mozart
@@mohammedpasha1715 I see what he's saying here. Of course, saying that Mendelssohn was a greater prodigy than Mozart should not detract from Mozart's talent and skill as a child, but Mozart's music was so much more simple during his early years, and took up until nearly his death to reach the full maturity of his writing style.
In Mendelssohn's case on the other hand, his music was on a level with other fully developed composers, I would say Mendelssohn's early writing style was nearly as developed and matured (From a standpoint of complexity) as the later music of Schubert, which took him until the end of his life to achieve.
@@jojomj ok, 1. Mendelssohns late works are much better than his early ones. This work can not compare to his piano trios and cello sonatas. 2. Mendelssohn was a great composer, but in the grand scheme of things, his place in the history of music is inconsequential. Schuberts song cycles and piano works dwarf everything Mendelssohn wrote. And his contemporaries Schumann and Chopin were more revolutionary than him. 3. Mozarts early works are better quality wise than anything Mendelssohn wrote. They arent performed as nearly as they should because of peoples revulsion to galant music. They are actual masterpieces, and they were still surpassed by later Mozart. Stop punishing Mozart for being a better composer than Mendelssohn.
@@mohammedpasha1715 Music scholars have been arguing about this for ages. I don't think we'll be able to come to a conclusion.
Mendelssohn really was a greater prodigy than Mozart if we’re being honest when you compare compositions at the same age. The octet and midsummersnight dream are all teenaged pieces too.
Dunno why this was the first Mendelssohn piece to get published. There are some other great compositions which he wrote around the same time, for example the Piano Sonata in G minor or the Piano Concerto in A minor. I wonder why he didn't decide to publish them either.
Too busy doing school homework...
I feel and believe that Mendelssohn is more better than Mozart and Beethoven in the Strings works and melidies. His violin concerto and the cello sonatas is a proof for my opinion
I find the qualities of these great piano quartets by Felix Mendelssohn surpasses his two later piano trios.
Kinda slaps ngl
Lyssna på pianosolot vid 21:53, alla sus-ackorden asså
@@carl.christiansson Mycket fett!!! Vill kunna spela piano så bra...
@@yom8239 P R A C T I C E
1:09 una voce poco fa ?
I listen to Mozart and think, "he's the greatest composer ever...", but then I listen to Mendelssohn, and I'm not so sure... :)
just remember he wrote this at 13
In my mind there's no doubt Mendelssohn was the greater prodigy. Apart from the three piano quartets written between 13 and 15, the following year at 16 he wrote his extraordinary Octet (ua-cam.com/video/0peHzvVE1xs/v-deo.html), and a year later at 17 the Overture to the Midsummer Night's Dream, both of which continue to have major places in the repertoire. Unlike Mozart, however, Mendelssohn didn't keep pushing toward even further growth stylistically, although he continued to write great music.
@@knd1940 Agreed - while both were youthful miracles, only Mendelssohn managed to get several pieces into the 21st century masterpiece & regularly-played repertoire. Where as Mozart's masterpieces only really came in adulthood. Paradoxically - where as Mozart was getting better & better & better with every year he lived - and therefore his death at 35 was a sore loss to the music world - Mendelssohn didn't really get much better after his teenage years -- yes there were more masterpieces to come, but also quite a lot of uninspired conservative music - and crucially - he failed to push the boundaries of music forward after his teenage years - in a way completely opposite of Mozart. Mendelssohn died at only 38 years old but few articles write with any authority or objectivity on the masterpieces of his we could have missed out on. Indeed his sister Fanny arguably developed considerably more during her lifetime!
You are not looking at the big picture. I love Mendelssohn as much as I love Mozart, but if you look at the big picture, it's clear that Mozart has been the greatest genius of western music. No one can be compared to him.
@@schubertuk The Symphony No. 25, which Mozart wrote when he was 17 years old, is a masterpiece, so even Mozart has a masterpiece among his teen works.
I just compose 28 bagatelles and 3 waltzes when I was 13;-;
you?
Honestly I'm not a huge fan of this. I feel like it lacks the creativity of his sextet, (which I believe he wrote around the same age.) This piece just relies too much on constant runs of thirds and eighth notes, rather than the more explorative and interesting rhythms of the sextet. But hey, still better than anything I can compose!
Edit: the fourth movement is pretty decent
This is certainly not on par with his Octet. But it is unbelievable competent, and well structured for someone so young. Pleasant, not ground-breaking, not a masterpiece - but an amazing piece of history never the less.
@@schubertukI do think it's groundbreaking. What other piano quartets were there at the time ? Mozart's g minor and e flat major. Both amazing, but Mendelssohn goes a step closer. The equal role given to each instrument, the development section with amazing reversible counterpoint, even the very beginning with the strings alone no piano is extremely original, something you don't see anywhere else in a such formation before Mendelssohn. In my opinion the 3 quartets are better than Schumann's, and arguably as good as Brahms's.
@@arielorthmann4061 I fully understand my opinion may not be in the majority. I also accept that from a technical point of view - it is a masterpiece in that area, for the reasons you state. However - for me - and it is just my opinion, I find in the musicality area it fails to move me, hence me being slightly cool to it. If it is an unmitigated joy to you - hurrah! That is why I love music and I do not need nor desire everyone to agree with my opinions!
Beethoven would have LOVED this
He died five years after Mendelssohn composed it!
Seems awfully fast. Piano's triplets are closer to my sixteenths.
Not that fast, at least the first movement. I’ll listen to the remaining movements.
Do you not know what triplets are? They aren't a speed, they are a division of the beat. They can be as fast or slow as you want them, so long as they hold their metric function.