This guy is obviously a novice, no training. In Calif they are trying to ban Natural Gas systems so when the force new homes and Biz to go all electric a heat pump WH makes a lot of sense. It is more economical that a straight electric WH elect coils only, but water conditioning and electrodes are vital. If it is in the garage the side benefit is the cooling they produce While they heat the water. This is true anytime water is heated by electricity. Depending on the size of the Heat pump it depends on the cooling output from 1/2 to 2 ton HP's. As to the problems he speaks of with a recirc pump, most homes and older bldg's are NOT designed so that a recirc pump is of any value. it takes modifications or the repiping sense for every station that uses water to use properly He obviously cannot diagnose what the problem is. Good thing His company name is in the video so you know who NOT to Call, I could go into much detail over the uses and benefits of all those systems as well as their requirements, plus and minuses, but this post is already way too long. Be advised, do not use them and look for a Union shop where they actually train the plumbers and techs. or a non union shop that has actual certifications of Training from a reputable instituiton. I am a retired HVAC&R +++ person.
@@quickwaterheaterfiltration5292 I have over 50 years of experience under my belt. In HVAC&R, energy management, diagnosing problems created by installers like you, and fixing them, plus supervising all the above with the appropriate training and education. as well as I have been on the lists of major equipment manufacturer's as well with all the major utility companies for their trial runs and or to go out and diagnose problems that other contractors never were able to resolve. I could go on and list a host or other attributes, awards, certs, etc. Lastly, why were you never able to resolve recirc pump issues, as you stated? ;) Have a great day!
This guy full of it . maybe works for the gas company? We have a Rheem heat pump water heater and it cost about $1300. 50 GAL love it ,vs about 750 for a standard electric. saves us a lot of money, more thanTHREE TIMES as efficient as a standard WH plus we got a a 300.tax deduction. I figured it will pay for itself in 3 to five years. If you are replacing a standard electric in your garage it will work great, and save you a lot on your electric bill. As this guy should know, you need to size your heater to your needs.so if you have no issues with current size replace it with the same .So here are the facts it makes about as much noise as a refrigerator, it may need to be vented because it produces cold air like an air conditioner ,and it requires 30 amp service to the unit this requires a 30 amp breaker about $35, and 10 gauge wire about $2 per foot so the labor for the wiring would be the big variable , so how close is the electical panel to the WH install would be a factor to replace a gas WH.
@@quickwaterheaterfiltration5292 sorry I forgot a comma after 2 per foot . the prices are for the materials . I am a DIY person so I have no idea what someone would charge for labor that of corse would be the big variable. I live in Tucson AZ same LAT as San Diego , so tell me more about the affordability belt ?
Wholly misrepresenting the details. Of course a flash hot water heater makes hot water faster, it guzzels gas/electric to produce that delta. It's the core difference between a tank and instant. Most bathtubs are 80 gallons and you'll have a mix of hot water/cold water to fill them. The heat pump water heater will do about the same job as the classic tank/heating element ones and if you use the backup elements, even faster. Most importantly, how many baths do most people take in a day, week, year? You're making the case for a use that may be less than 1% of the time, ignoring the other 99% (shower, dishes etc) that the heat pump is more efficient. On and that point on electric - no! An electric instant heater requires huge circuits with thick (expensive) wire; much more expensive. Your example using gas; ok less in electric but you still gotta run gas there. Code requires enough electric capacity to run a standard tank heater; there are almost no instances where the heat pump hot water heater would be more expecting to wire. - they do make more noise - they do need adequate ventilation and are better suited in warmer climates - they are more expensive to repair - they do take up more space Hope this helps your viewers
@@quickwaterheaterfiltration5292 Instant, Demand, Tankless and Flash are all just different names of the same thing. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankless_water_heating
One day the high gas prices will also his the USA and then you will pay ten times more when heating anything with gas then when heating anything with electricity. On top of that, I can make my own electricity (solar panels, wind turbine on the roof) and this is completely free; try to make your own gas.
Currently there's about 2000 electric power plants in the USA that burn gas to generate steam . They are not going away for generations, The life cycle of a current hot water tank or many there after will never be in service with the plants are decommission . With 2000 plants in operation If gas prices rise so will electricity. Its more sensible in given areas to have solar collectors heat water direct no need for the electric aspect. It was common in the 1970s and not complicated.
@@dpt4402 Gas turbines can run on hydrogen and they can run on biogas. That means they are not dependent on natural gas. And when they run on biogas or hydrogene generated with electricity from wind turbines or solar panels, the gas turbine runs CO2 neutral. But your home appliances cannot run on hydrogene and bio gas only pays for itself when used in large quantities in industrial equipment.
@@xcoder1122 but there’s no hydrogen infrastructure to supply the demands of an electrical power plant even if that was a path forward it wouldn’t mature for many decades
@@dpt4402 In Germany, the natural gas network is currently being converted so that it can transport either natural gas or hydrogen. In fact, a test project has shown that it is possible to feed up to 30% hydrogen into any natural gas network without any problems, even without conversion. And studies have shown that even 100% hydrogen is not a problem for the transportation network as long as the steel pipes are in good condition. Only feed-in points, tapping points and valves need to be adapted for 100% hydrogen, as well as storage tanks. Wherever new natural gas pipelines, tanks or tapping points are currently being installed, only those that are also suitable for hydrogen are already being installed. And where something needs to be repaired, only spare parts that are suitable for hydrogen are used. As early as 2025, the first parts of the network are to be operated only with hydrogen, namely the parts that supply industries and power plants, and up to 30% hydrogen is to be added to the rest of the network as required. But even if hydrogen is climate-neutral, provided it is produced from green electricity, the whole thing is ultimately a question of cost. Producing 1 kWh of electricity from natural gas in a natural gas power plant currently costs 9 cents. 1 kWh in a solar power plant costs between 2 and 6 cents. And a heat pump turns 1 kWh of electricity into 3-4 kWh of heat, since a heat pump does not produce heat, it just pumps heat (it takes heat from one place and transfers it to another one, yet the heat has always been there). So I can take electricity for 2 cent and turn it into 3-4 kWh of heat. The natural gas for the same amount of heat would definitely have cost me a lot more. Of course, these are all purchase or production prices, we all know that you pay much more as an end customer, but that doesn't matter, because as an end customer you pay the same amount more in both cases, regardless of whether you buy electricity or natural gas. And I don't have to buy electricity, I can also run a heat pump with electricity from the solar panels on my roof or in my garden.
Completely agree. Heating water, whether to hold in a tank, or on demand, is just not a logical application for heat pumps.....I am in Iowa, and unless you live in a single wide or a 1 bedroom efficiency apartment, natural gas is the dominant source of energy to heat potable water, both tankless and storage tank setups. I did however come across a Hayward 250K BTU equivilant heat pump pool heater, and those things seem like they would be worth the investment in an area like San Diego, with your amazingly consistant climate, where the swim season never ends.....but not so much where I am at because the months that people really crank up there pool heaters are April and October, to get an early start and extend the shorter swim season we have in Iowa, with the temperatures during those months being cold enough to really eat away at a heat pumps efficiency. Now don't get me wrong.....the efficiency of newer heat pumps is unrivaled, they are an extremely efficient method of moving heat.....in the correct environment and application......which in my opinion, a storage tank water heater is NOT! Great assessment sir.
Lots of tax rebates and rebates from the electric company. Make these things almost free in some areas.
This guy is obviously a novice, no training. In Calif they are trying to ban Natural Gas systems so when the force new homes and Biz to go all electric a heat pump WH makes a lot of sense. It is more economical that a straight electric WH elect coils only, but water conditioning and electrodes are vital. If it is in the garage the side benefit is the cooling they produce While they heat the water. This is true anytime water is heated by electricity. Depending on the size of the Heat pump it depends on the cooling output from 1/2 to 2 ton HP's.
As to the problems he speaks of with a recirc pump, most homes and older bldg's are NOT designed so that a recirc pump is of any value. it takes modifications or the repiping sense for every station that uses water to use properly He obviously cannot diagnose what the problem is. Good thing His company name is in the video so you know who NOT to Call, I could go into much detail over the uses and benefits of all those systems as well as their requirements, plus and minuses, but this post is already way too long. Be advised, do not use them and look for a Union shop where they actually train the plumbers and techs. or a non union shop that has actual certifications of Training from a reputable instituiton. I am a retired HVAC&R +++ person.
We have 9600 water heater installations under our belt. How many do you have?
@@quickwaterheaterfiltration5292 I have over 50 years of experience under my belt. In HVAC&R, energy management, diagnosing problems created by installers like you, and fixing them, plus supervising all the above with the appropriate training and education. as well as I have been on the lists of major equipment manufacturer's as well with all the major utility companies for their trial runs and or to go out and diagnose problems that other contractors never were able to resolve. I could go on and list a host or other attributes, awards, certs, etc.
Lastly, why were you never able to resolve recirc pump issues, as you stated? ;) Have a great day!
This guy full of it . maybe works for the gas company? We have a Rheem heat pump water heater and it cost about $1300. 50 GAL love it ,vs about 750 for a standard electric. saves us a lot of money, more thanTHREE TIMES as efficient as a standard WH plus we got a a 300.tax deduction. I figured it will pay for itself in 3 to five years. If you are replacing a standard electric in your garage it will work great, and save you a lot on your electric bill. As this guy should know, you need to size your heater to your needs.so if you have no issues with current size replace it with the same .So here are the facts it makes about as much noise as a refrigerator, it may need to be vented because it produces cold air like an air conditioner ,and it requires 30 amp service to the unit this requires a 30 amp breaker about $35, and 10 gauge wire about $2 per foot so the labor for the wiring would be the big variable , so how close is the electical panel to the WH install would be a factor to replace a gas WH.
You probably live in the affordability belt and not in California. Also if you need a job we will hire you based on your prices above.
@@quickwaterheaterfiltration5292 sorry I forgot a comma after 2 per foot . the prices are for the materials . I am a DIY person so I have no idea what someone would charge for labor that of corse would be the big variable. I live in Tucson AZ same LAT as San Diego , so tell me more about the affordability belt ?
Wholly misrepresenting the details. Of course a flash hot water heater makes hot water faster, it guzzels gas/electric to produce that delta. It's the core difference between a tank and instant.
Most bathtubs are 80 gallons and you'll have a mix of hot water/cold water to fill them. The heat pump water heater will do about the same job as the classic tank/heating element ones and if you use the backup elements, even faster.
Most importantly, how many baths do most people take in a day, week, year? You're making the case for a use that may be less than 1% of the time, ignoring the other 99% (shower, dishes etc) that the heat pump is more efficient.
On and that point on electric - no! An electric instant heater requires huge circuits with thick (expensive) wire; much more expensive. Your example using gas; ok less in electric but you still gotta run gas there. Code requires enough electric capacity to run a standard tank heater; there are almost no instances where the heat pump hot water heater would be more expecting to wire.
- they do make more noise
- they do need adequate ventilation and are better suited in warmer climates
- they are more expensive to repair
- they do take up more space
Hope this helps your viewers
WTH is a flash water heater?! Did you just invent a new product?
@@quickwaterheaterfiltration5292
Instant, Demand, Tankless and Flash are all just different names of the same thing.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankless_water_heating
@@DarenSpinellenever heard them called a flash. 😂😂😂
One day the high gas prices will also his the USA and then you will pay ten times more when heating anything with gas then when heating anything with electricity. On top of that, I can make my own electricity (solar panels, wind turbine on the roof) and this is completely free; try to make your own gas.
Currently there's about 2000 electric power plants in the USA that burn gas to generate steam . They are not going away for generations, The life cycle of a current hot water tank or many there after will never be in service with the plants are decommission . With 2000 plants in operation If gas prices rise so will electricity. Its more sensible in given areas to have solar collectors heat water direct no need for the electric aspect. It was common in the 1970s and not complicated.
@@dpt4402 Gas turbines can run on hydrogen and they can run on biogas. That means they are not dependent on natural gas. And when they run on biogas or hydrogene generated with electricity from wind turbines or solar panels, the gas turbine runs CO2 neutral. But your home appliances cannot run on hydrogene and bio gas only pays for itself when used in large quantities in industrial equipment.
@@xcoder1122 but there’s no hydrogen infrastructure to supply the demands of an electrical power plant even if that was a path forward it wouldn’t mature for many decades
@@dpt4402 In Germany, the natural gas network is currently being converted so that it can transport either natural gas or hydrogen. In fact, a test project has shown that it is possible to feed up to 30% hydrogen into any natural gas network without any problems, even without conversion. And studies have shown that even 100% hydrogen is not a problem for the transportation network as long as the steel pipes are in good condition. Only feed-in points, tapping points and valves need to be adapted for 100% hydrogen, as well as storage tanks. Wherever new natural gas pipelines, tanks or tapping points are currently being installed, only those that are also suitable for hydrogen are already being installed. And where something needs to be repaired, only spare parts that are suitable for hydrogen are used. As early as 2025, the first parts of the network are to be operated only with hydrogen, namely the parts that supply industries and power plants, and up to 30% hydrogen is to be added to the rest of the network as required.
But even if hydrogen is climate-neutral, provided it is produced from green electricity, the whole thing is ultimately a question of cost. Producing 1 kWh of electricity from natural gas in a natural gas power plant currently costs 9 cents. 1 kWh in a solar power plant costs between 2 and 6 cents. And a heat pump turns 1 kWh of electricity into 3-4 kWh of heat, since a heat pump does not produce heat, it just pumps heat (it takes heat from one place and transfers it to another one, yet the heat has always been there). So I can take electricity for 2 cent and turn it into 3-4 kWh of heat. The natural gas for the same amount of heat would definitely have cost me a lot more. Of course, these are all purchase or production prices, we all know that you pay much more as an end customer, but that doesn't matter, because as an end customer you pay the same amount more in both cases, regardless of whether you buy electricity or natural gas. And I don't have to buy electricity, I can also run a heat pump with electricity from the solar panels on my roof or in my garden.
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Completely agree. Heating water, whether to hold in a tank, or on demand, is just not a logical application for heat pumps.....I am in Iowa, and unless you live in a single wide or a 1 bedroom efficiency apartment, natural gas is the dominant source of energy to heat potable water, both tankless and storage tank setups. I did however come across a Hayward 250K BTU equivilant heat pump pool heater, and those things seem like they would be worth the investment in an area like San Diego, with your amazingly consistant climate, where the swim season never ends.....but not so much where I am at because the months that people really crank up there pool heaters are April and October, to get an early start and extend the shorter swim season we have in Iowa, with the temperatures during those months being cold enough to really eat away at a heat pumps efficiency. Now don't get me wrong.....the efficiency of newer heat pumps is unrivaled, they are an extremely efficient method of moving heat.....in the correct environment and application......which in my opinion, a storage tank water heater is NOT! Great assessment sir.