We must not forget that with Crushing Weight and Sustained momentum active, every card basic action is actually a move 4 or Attack 4 and potentially some xp's. So you could still bring situational cards, and of the situation doesn't show up, you still can attack or move 4
Feels good to not be limited to just taking cards on level. Going back for a card which fits your build better is always nice rather than having to pass on it for higher level options
am I missing something? aren't higher level cards almost always higher values (in regards to pretty much everything, like attack for example) so unless your current selection on a particular level is really crappy there is no reason to go abck right?
I love these super deep dives. Most youtubers are afraid to go over like 15 minutes lol. Im gonna play bone shaper first, but the drifter seems like it will slot into any group so easily
Geminate's range form has a forced healing support theme to go along with its high range damage build. You might want to pick the melee card when u level up just because your range option is just a team heal or some other cleric ability rather than a damaging range option. The drifter on the other hand doesnt have a forced healing sub theme in his range build. There may be some cards that are good for the range build that do come with healing, but its not at the expense of doing damage. it works with either the range build or the support healing build.
You forgot to mention that the top abillity on agains all odds is actually also Amazing for the tank spec. Its not a lot of damage 1 per enemy without crushing weigth but you can potentialy reset a tanking abilities since you will be in the midle of al the enemies
Started playing the campaign with my wife. She is Deathwalker and I'm Blink Blade. Loving it but it is a bit difficult playing two squishy DPS. Watching this makes me feel good if I needed to shift over to a more tanky class. Thanks for the video!
I like both the Drifter and Bannerspear as 'anchor' characters at 2/3 players as they can be that front liner for you and allow the others to focus on their mechanics. Glad you liked the video 🙂
For the Level 7 card Like The Wind, the bottom reads an interesting way. You interpreted the card to be only one persistent ability can have the token moved back one space per ally moved through. I think you can also interpret it as one ally moved through is a token moved back one space on only one persistent ability. Therefor if you moved through 2 allies you could move a token back one space on two different persistent abilities or more the token back two spaces on the same persistent ability. It gives you the option to change which persistent ability you are moving back for each ally. The way it was worded is just specific to say you move back one token space on one ability per ally, rather than one token space on all ability per ally.
There's a comment further up (or down?!?) where we talk about this and a developer chips in. Its mix and match, each ally is a separate instance so you can choose the same or new token to move back. Its extremely powerful to have that level of flexibility I think, so this will be a slam dunk pick card for a lot of builds. I didn't mean to imply it was move back 1 one on all tracks if it came across that way.
I think in the video you interpreteded only one ability gets its token moved backed for each ally. I believe you suggested the range build wouldn't like this because it has several it wants to move backwards. I'm sure now we both can agree this is a great pick up for the ranged build, allowing all the bonuses to get their token moved back will help tremendously pump out more dps
Something to be careful about with Against All Odds is not to overextended and hit too many enemies with it. If you hit 6 targets, then Crushing Weight is gone before you can push the token back (and that's at full, it's probably likely that 3ish targets will be too much).
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I wonder if a range/melee hybrid could work. There are a lot of cards with both good melee and ranged abilities on them. Sort of a shoot first then run in and finish the kill kind of playstyle. Might be very flexibel. Take both crushing weigth and presision aim. I think also very usefull that you can switch attacks if any one of those gets low on charges at some point
@@MrMipsel Yeah that could work although you might end up spreading yourself a bit thin. You might also have some difficult choices for your level ups sometimes, but worth a try!
I think the drifter will be my 5th choice in picks from the starting 6. But if I take the class I'd probably make a melee build with shockwave and crushing weight. At level 3 I'd take fierce barrage. That card could do 12 damage with shackwave and crushing weight out.
I treat this game like an MMO on tabletop, and thus I tend toward support classes. But that said, I have enjoyed all of the Inox classes. I’m looking forward to Drifter. On a side note, I really hope the minis they showed off are not resembling the final in level of detail. The drifter next to the brute was like my 6-year-old art next to Monet.
I think going with a Melee + Ranged hybrid at higher levels would work better. A lot of the end game card choices have a ranged attack top or bottom combined with a melee attack top or bottom. This would also allow you to switch up damage types so you don't burn through your 6 uses of ranged / melee too quickly and let you be useful at all ranges.
In a 4 player party I think the Drifter might be forced into the ranged support build just because the other class options are going to crowd the Melee space a lot and Drifter initiative seems too poor to tank for them
The melee and tank builds look the most focused. Ranged looks like it might have to do a little bit of melee damage too. Reminds me of the Cragheart in being a tank/melee/ranged hybrid.
Another good video and analysis I’m really looking forward to playing this character. With the straight forward play style and flexibility, this looks a character I will really enjoy. Hopefully no one in my play group wants to play it as well 😀
Hi there, I was wondering.. with the masteries. The one that requires performing attacks and movement of 4. When attacking, does drawing a curse cause you to not gain that mastery?
No because the mastery is just to perform at least an attack of 4. It doesn't matter if you did not do 4 damage as long as the attack value was 4 or more.
I can see on your videos that you have played Drifter when you started your campaign and retired him about a month ago. Could I ask for a follow up video on this one with some tips and trick and maybe a guide of some sort? Thank you :)
I think against all odds might be interesting for a ranged build to recharge some tokens without spending them. It is definitely a card I would use for a tank build. Ping lots of enemies and recharge those shields or retaliates. If used in combination with crushing weight or shockwave there is always the risk of those cards running out of charges before the recharge effect happens.
Ideally you want to flip some of those attack modifiers that move them back too I think. Its going to be tricky not burning through charges too quickly, but you do have control over that by repositioning and picking your battles a bit.
@@MandatoryQuest doing the attack with advantage and having 4 of those 0 move the character token back cards in your deck might also work. It can allow you to take on some extra targets with the attack. It could be risky, but there is some nice xp rewards if you can pull it off without burning through the charges.
So I'll be honest, I think that a lot of the pieces are here for this class but it doesn't look like it will come together for me. The issue you identified with the tanking cards would also apply for your melee or ranged attacks if they hit multiple targets, you could blow through multiple charges of your attacks with a single card. Fierce Barrage makes you go through Precision Aim charges 2x as quickly. I think that melees would have to take a few ranged cards and ranged would have to take a few melee cards just to ensure that they don't lose their persistent effects of choice, specifically ranged in the start might want Sustained Momentum and melees might want Continuous Health so they can attack and get charges back. Going all in on melee attacks or ranged attacks seems like a good way to lose your buff. Also for cards like Sustained Momentum, they use a charge to buff their damage then return it, so they're actually neutral for a melee attacker on the tracker, and I assume that if you use it while Crushing Weight is on its last charge you would still lose Crushing Weight because the charge moves forward before it moves back.
Yeah Its going to be a character that needs finely tuning and considered play. Not as straight forward as it might first make out. I still think this is going to be one of the stronger characters from the starters, or at least stronger because its less likely to have a 'bad' scenario.
Question on Fortitude: It is a melee attack to which you can "add" 2 range. If you do that, does it make it a "Range 2" attack, because the melee attack did "not have any" range? Or would it be "Range 3", because melee attacks are considered Range 1?
Melee attacks do not have any range (even though they are technically range 1 they are not considered to have any range value) so it would turn the attack into a ranged 2 attack instead of a melee attack. I agree that its templated a bit weird though, maybe there's a reason for it.
Wouldn't Fortitude be Range 3 if you decided to use the optional effect? The rule book says a melee attack has a range of 1 so when a range is added to it you add 1 + whatever the added range is. The Blinkblade has a slow ability that adds a range of 1 to its melee attack so it makes it range 2 on that one.
It seems like you suggested a few times you can use the top and bottom ability of the same card during the same turn. Is this true? Do you just ignore the second card you played. It talk about it around 38 mins in
curious about the whole seperate action thing, does that mean you could skip attack - do seperate action? and in the same way - would disarm only disable the attack part of that action?
Disarmed just means you can't perform an attack, so yes if an enemy card said move and attack it would still move as if it could perform a melee attack even if it's a ranged attack, but it just wouldn't perform the attack action. This is why disarm is more/less useful than stun in certain spots.
when do you plan to do jotl characters..i know you have a lot of things scheduled probably so no pressure :)...im just so excited for it as i started playing jotl a little while ago
I am looking at all characters so that when frosthaven digital comes out (prob 2 3 years min, but I don't think i can afford frosthaven especially if we haven't finished gloom yet so it's not a big deal that I wait for some time) I will be ready to jump straight into the action. from the looks of it my comp will be fighter banner spear, for formations, boneshaper B O N E Z O N E for fun and formation synergy. and finally tank drifter because ima be honest, tank drifter and ranged drifter are the main things i find interesting and drifter just looks like someone who can say N O and refuse to elaborate!
One thing about drifter is they seem to have eased up on alot of the enhancement nerfs (unlike blink blade, i hope he changes a little pre launch, a whole lot of circles on a class that doesnt use elements...) from base wich means stuff like draining bolts can become a cheap 3 target muddle CURSE. Hell, you wouldnt even need precision aim, the range is nice but the damage is anti synergistic
Good point, its going to be interesting to see how enhancements sit in the FH economy. With crafting materials now something you can loot instead of gold, its going to be interesting to see how they general "fit" in the game alongside all the new stuff.
@@MandatoryQuest Haha I understand. I meant that a player in our group was playing Chtulhu until last week. He was playing him CC heavy and it was very interesting to see him play that style. And now he retired Chtulhu for Two Mini's.
do you really long rest on average 2-3 times per scenario? That is pretty different from my playstyle.... In 2 player long resting is alittle easier but I kinda feel like I probably long rest an average of 0.5 times per scenario.... Considering the average value on going backwards on the track is +2 damage I don't think that +2 damage per long rest is a great use of TWO perks points. Overall feels like an average but flexible class especially up to level 7. I feel like against all odds is the only broken card. Melee seems easy to evaluate.. but abit difficult to evaluate ranged with add target.
Generally on characters with decent hand sizes i aim to long rest once per room before entering the next one. Of course it’s not always going to shake out like that, but I try to. It’s especially important to do that on characters who have spent items like boots and armour and this guy looks like a good fit for those items too.
@@MandatoryQuest idk.. Any character who gets armor, boots, and more turn sideways i normally get earrings on.. Maybe it is a bit philosophical but if you are long resting either early, by yourself, or while you have an enemy still up it is probably a net loss unless you have a bunch of high value turn sideways. You could also get a only short rest battle goal (which is up there with the easiest ones unlike long rest only which can cause an extremely poor turn or even a scenario loss) On top of this sometimes I just short rest early to get the perfect card back which makes it even less likely the whole team will want to sync a long rest again.. Loving the content.
Lol i know it’s an old comment but i just played today (i’m only on scenario #3) and i just realised that i lost a bunch of xp in the previous scenarios (and 2 tries on the 3rd one) because i thought i could only get the xp once. So even if i moved a token backwards and then forward i would not get the xp… 🤦♀️
Wouldn’t fortitude have an implied range of 1 already so +2 range would give it 3 and another +1 range from the persistent ability would be 4 attack 4 range, pierce 2. That’s I figure it works at least
I know we talked about this already on stream :) , but my understanding is that melee attacks have no range value. I agree its written weirdly by saying +2 range instead of turn it into a range 2 attack though. I can only assume its for some other reason but will need to be clarified I think.
That's correct (although MQ has a reasonable understanding of this based on GH rules - FH rules on this are different). Melee attacks have an implied range of 1, so +2 range is 3.
How does an add one target affect like the one on the bottom of Fierce Barrage work with an area affect like the bottom half of Destructive Fury? Do you get to AOE twice? Edit: I think you have the bottom of Like the Wind wrong - I read it as you can choose a different persistent for each ally moved through. You'd word it differently if it was choose one card, for each ally moved through, move back one on that card.
The way its worded makes me believe you can have it either way. you can mix and match as each ally is a separate instance, so you can spread it around however many you choose.
@@MandatoryQuest Yes, you can mix and match what you move back with Ride the Wind. You can move the same persistent back multiple times, move different persistents back, or any combination.
Hey Rinello! Nice idea but possibly a bit too similar to the boneshaper perk getting a free summon action, or at least if the intention is for the double check perks to feel a bit more unique to the characters. Would certainly help the character get off to a faster start though.
There’s been a lot of rebalancing in FH compared to GH, and also you have to consider the Drifters persistent abilities buffing actions up. It’s probably going to be impossible to fairly rank these characters alongside GH ones, but we will see with the unlock characters.
I love buffs, I love persistent abilities, and I love versatility. I'm not concerned that it's not complex; it seems like a home run for checking all those boxes. Also, those last three perks are all cool in their design (props to Gripeaway and Themris). It's kind of a shame that this is available as a starter and so is the Boneshaper. The Drifter seems like it'd be my favorite starting class, and it certainly seems more powerful than the Boneshaper, but I can't pass up the cool opportunity to play as a necromancer.
It will be interesting to see if the unlockable characters are all desirable to play. I only found myself going back to a starter in the original GH at the very end, but perhaps as these characters are all a bit more complex you'll find an earlier opportunity to go back.
We must not forget that with Crushing Weight and Sustained momentum active, every card basic action is actually a move 4 or Attack 4 and potentially some xp's.
So you could still bring situational cards, and of the situation doesn't show up, you still can attack or move 4
Yep I mentioned that when discussion crushing weight. Certainly makes those actives in particular much more versatile than the ranged ones.
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This does look like a very interesting class looking at the level one cards. Nice vid!
So far I'm digging the one scenario I've done with it
Feels good to not be limited to just taking cards on level. Going back for a card which fits your build better is always nice rather than having to pass on it for higher level options
Yeah maybe not utilised or thought about often enough. It will be interesting to see what's it likes with the unlockable characters.
am I missing something? aren't higher level cards almost always higher values (in regards to pretty much everything, like attack for example)
so unless your current selection on a particular level is really crappy there is no reason to go abck right?
I love these super deep dives. Most youtubers are afraid to go over like 15 minutes lol. Im gonna play bone shaper first, but the drifter seems like it will slot into any group so easily
Thanks glad you like them! I always worry I go too long with them 😬
@@MandatoryQuest haha when there is no game to play out yet we are thankful for every minute of content in anticipation!
I think it is worth mentioning that you can enhance the shield on the bottom of Shockwave . That's very strong! Thank you for the excellent analysis!
Nice idea!
Geminate's range form has a forced healing support theme to go along with its high range damage build. You might want to pick the melee card when u level up just because your range option is just a team heal or some other cleric ability rather than a damaging range option.
The drifter on the other hand doesnt have a forced healing sub theme in his range build. There may be some cards that are good for the range build that do come with healing, but its not at the expense of doing damage. it works with either the range build or the support healing build.
You forgot to mention that the top abillity on agains all odds is actually also Amazing for the tank spec. Its not a lot of damage 1 per enemy without crushing weigth but you can potentialy reset a tanking abilities since you will be in the midle of al the enemies
Good point! yes could be great for keeping the shield ones up.
I've been really enjoying this series! When are you planning on doing the blinkblade?
Awesome thanks, I’ve been editing the BlinkBlade video all this week, it’s been a real slog because I talked for so long 😅
Against All Odds level 8. Completely lose your 'minds weakness' because you burn through it and the last part then does not trigger
Started playing the campaign with my wife. She is Deathwalker and I'm Blink Blade. Loving it but it is a bit difficult playing two squishy DPS. Watching this makes me feel good if I needed to shift over to a more tanky class. Thanks for the video!
I like both the Drifter and Bannerspear as 'anchor' characters at 2/3 players as they can be that front liner for you and allow the others to focus on their mechanics. Glad you liked the video 🙂
For the Level 7 card Like The Wind, the bottom reads an interesting way. You interpreted the card to be only one persistent ability can have the token moved back one space per ally moved through. I think you can also interpret it as one ally moved through is a token moved back one space on only one persistent ability. Therefor if you moved through 2 allies you could move a token back one space on two different persistent abilities or more the token back two spaces on the same persistent ability. It gives you the option to change which persistent ability you are moving back for each ally. The way it was worded is just specific to say you move back one token space on one ability per ally, rather than one token space on all ability per ally.
There's a comment further up (or down?!?) where we talk about this and a developer chips in. Its mix and match, each ally is a separate instance so you can choose the same or new token to move back. Its extremely powerful to have that level of flexibility I think, so this will be a slam dunk pick card for a lot of builds. I didn't mean to imply it was move back 1 one on all tracks if it came across that way.
I think in the video you interpreteded only one ability gets its token moved backed for each ally. I believe you suggested the range build wouldn't like this because it has several it wants to move backwards. I'm sure now we both can agree this is a great pick up for the ranged build, allowing all the bonuses to get their token moved back will help tremendously pump out more dps
Something to be careful about with Against All Odds is not to overextended and hit too many enemies with it. If you hit 6 targets, then Crushing Weight is gone before you can push the token back (and that's at full, it's probably likely that 3ish targets will be too much).
That's why you need those attack modifiers that move it back. ALL IN BABY! ;)
So are you playing the Drifter and if so which way are you going with it?
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I’ll probably go the melee build. However depending upon the scenario I may adjust it. That’s what I like about this character. So much flexibility
@@anthonyc4951 I think I prefer the melee build too, feels a bit more impactful and capable of more fun and cool plays :)
I wonder if a range/melee hybrid could work. There are a lot of cards with both good melee and ranged abilities on them. Sort of a shoot first then run in and finish the kill kind of playstyle. Might be very flexibel. Take both crushing weigth and presision aim. I think also very usefull that you can switch attacks if any one of those gets low on charges at some point
@@MrMipsel Yeah that could work although you might end up spreading yourself a bit thin. You might also have some difficult choices for your level ups sometimes, but worth a try!
I think the drifter will be my 5th choice in picks from the starting 6.
But if I take the class I'd probably make a melee build with shockwave and crushing weight. At level 3 I'd take fierce barrage. That card could do 12 damage with shackwave and crushing weight out.
Let's not forget that you need to loot in FH in order to get components for upgrades (items and town buildings).
And just got to the point where you mentioned that :)
I treat this game like an MMO on tabletop, and thus I tend toward support classes. But that said, I have enjoyed all of the Inox classes. I’m looking forward to Drifter.
On a side note, I really hope the minis they showed off are not resembling the final in level of detail. The drifter next to the brute was like my 6-year-old art next to Monet.
Pretty sure they said in the KS update they weren’t final proofs right? I guess though if you don’t like poses/stances they probably won’t change.
I think going with a Melee + Ranged hybrid at higher levels would work better. A lot of the end game card choices have a ranged attack top or bottom combined with a melee attack top or bottom. This would also allow you to switch up damage types so you don't burn through your 6 uses of ranged / melee too quickly and let you be useful at all ranges.
In a 4 player party I think the Drifter might be forced into the ranged support build just because the other class options are going to crowd the Melee space a lot and Drifter initiative seems too poor to tank for them
The melee and tank builds look the most focused.
Ranged looks like it might have to do a little bit of melee damage too.
Reminds me of the Cragheart in being a tank/melee/ranged hybrid.
Yeah I’m definitely getting Cragheart vibes. Will be nice to have some good build diversity.
Another good video and analysis I’m really looking forward to playing this character. With the straight forward play style and flexibility, this looks a character I will really enjoy. Hopefully no one in my play group wants to play it as well 😀
Awesome! It feels like a classic GH character to me which I think will make it really popular with new and experienced players.
Hi there, I was wondering.. with the masteries.
The one that requires performing attacks and movement of 4.
When attacking, does drawing a curse cause you to not gain that mastery?
No because the mastery is just to perform at least an attack of 4. It doesn't matter if you did not do 4 damage as long as the attack value was 4 or more.
I can see on your videos that you have played Drifter when you started your campaign and retired him about a month ago. Could I ask for a follow up video on this one with some tips and trick and maybe a guide of some sort? Thank you :)
yes of course I've actually been thinking about doing it this weekend :)
Another fantastic video!!! Great work MQ
I think against all odds might be interesting for a ranged build to recharge some tokens without spending them. It is definitely a card I would use for a tank build. Ping lots of enemies and recharge those shields or retaliates. If used in combination with crushing weight or shockwave there is always the risk of those cards running out of charges before the recharge effect happens.
Ideally you want to flip some of those attack modifiers that move them back too I think. Its going to be tricky not burning through charges too quickly, but you do have control over that by repositioning and picking your battles a bit.
@@MandatoryQuest doing the attack with advantage and having 4 of those 0 move the character token back cards in your deck might also work. It can allow you to take on some extra targets with the attack. It could be risky, but there is some nice xp rewards if you can pull it off without burning through the charges.
So I'll be honest, I think that a lot of the pieces are here for this class but it doesn't look like it will come together for me.
The issue you identified with the tanking cards would also apply for your melee or ranged attacks if they hit multiple targets, you could blow through multiple charges of your attacks with a single card. Fierce Barrage makes you go through Precision Aim charges 2x as quickly.
I think that melees would have to take a few ranged cards and ranged would have to take a few melee cards just to ensure that they don't lose their persistent effects of choice, specifically ranged in the start might want Sustained Momentum and melees might want Continuous Health so they can attack and get charges back. Going all in on melee attacks or ranged attacks seems like a good way to lose your buff. Also for cards like Sustained Momentum, they use a charge to buff their damage then return it, so they're actually neutral for a melee attacker on the tracker, and I assume that if you use it while Crushing Weight is on its last charge you would still lose Crushing Weight because the charge moves forward before it moves back.
Yeah Its going to be a character that needs finely tuning and considered play. Not as straight forward as it might first make out. I still think this is going to be one of the stronger characters from the starters, or at least stronger because its less likely to have a 'bad' scenario.
Question on Fortitude: It is a melee attack to which you can "add" 2 range. If you do that, does it make it a "Range 2" attack, because the melee attack did "not have any" range? Or would it be "Range 3", because melee attacks are considered Range 1?
Melee attacks do not have any range (even though they are technically range 1 they are not considered to have any range value) so it would turn the attack into a ranged 2 attack instead of a melee attack. I agree that its templated a bit weird though, maybe there's a reason for it.
@@MandatoryQuest In Frosthaven, melee attacks have a "hidden" range 1. So Fortitude becomes Range 3 with +2 Range.
Wouldn't Fortitude be Range 3 if you decided to use the optional effect? The rule book says a melee attack has a range of 1 so when a range is added to it you add 1 + whatever the added range is. The Blinkblade has a slow ability that adds a range of 1 to its melee attack so it makes it range 2 on that one.
Yes it would be a range 3 because it increases by +2. Somewhere down in the comments we had this clarified by a playtester.
Whoops, sorry, thank you!
Are you adding the Blink Blade review today?
Sorry been very busy lately it’s on my to do list!
It seems like you suggested a few times you can use the top and bottom ability of the same card during the same turn. Is this true? Do you just ignore the second card you played. It talk about it around 38 mins in
Nope no way to do that without certain items. If I made it sound that way that's completely unintentional.
curious about the whole seperate action thing, does that mean you could skip attack - do seperate action?
and in the same way - would disarm only disable the attack part of that action?
Disarmed just means you can't perform an attack, so yes if an enemy card said move and attack it would still move as if it could perform a melee attack even if it's a ranged attack, but it just wouldn't perform the attack action. This is why disarm is more/less useful than stun in certain spots.
when do you plan to do jotl characters..i know you have a lot of things scheduled probably so no pressure :)...im just so excited for it as i started playing jotl a little while ago
I still haven't finished my own playthrough yet ;)
I am looking at all characters so that when frosthaven digital comes out (prob 2 3 years min, but I don't think i can afford frosthaven especially if we haven't finished gloom yet so it's not a big deal that I wait for some time) I will be ready to jump straight into the action.
from the looks of it my comp will be fighter banner spear, for formations, boneshaper B O N E Z O N E for fun and formation synergy. and finally tank drifter because ima be honest, tank drifter and ranged drifter are the main things i find interesting and drifter just looks like someone who can say N O and refuse to elaborate!
One thing about drifter is they seem to have eased up on alot of the enhancement nerfs (unlike blink blade, i hope he changes a little pre launch, a whole lot of circles on a class that doesnt use elements...) from base wich means stuff like draining bolts can become a cheap 3 target muddle CURSE. Hell, you wouldnt even need precision aim, the range is nice but the damage is anti synergistic
Good point, its going to be interesting to see how enhancements sit in the FH economy. With crafting materials now something you can loot instead of gold, its going to be interesting to see how they general "fit" in the game alongside all the new stuff.
Any idea when the Blinkblade video will be uploaded?
Probably not for a week or so. This week I’m getting out my Cthulhu guide.
@@MandatoryQuest ah alright. A player in my group just retired him for Two Mini's. It was a very interesting character.
@@Floranox123 O.K That is a very confusing statement haha
@@MandatoryQuest Haha I understand. I meant that a player in our group was playing Chtulhu until last week. He was playing him CC heavy and it was very interesting to see him play that style. And now he retired Chtulhu for Two Mini's.
@@Floranox123 AHH that makes much more sense! I thought you had started mixing the characters up on TT simulator or something ;)
do you really long rest on average 2-3 times per scenario? That is pretty different from my playstyle.... In 2 player long resting is alittle easier but I kinda feel like I probably long rest an average of 0.5 times per scenario....
Considering the average value on going backwards on the track is +2 damage I don't think that +2 damage per long rest is a great use of TWO perks points.
Overall feels like an average but flexible class especially up to level 7. I feel like against all odds is the only broken card. Melee seems easy to evaluate.. but abit difficult to evaluate ranged with add target.
Generally on characters with decent hand sizes i aim to long rest once per room before entering the next one. Of course it’s not always going to shake out like that, but I try to. It’s especially important to do that on characters who have spent items like boots and armour and this guy looks like a good fit for those items too.
@@MandatoryQuest idk.. Any character who gets armor, boots, and more turn sideways i normally get earrings on.. Maybe it is a bit philosophical but if you are long resting either early, by yourself, or while you have an enemy still up it is probably a net loss unless you have a bunch of high value turn sideways. You could also get a only short rest battle goal (which is up there with the easiest ones unlike long rest only which can cause an extremely poor turn or even a scenario loss)
On top of this sometimes I just short rest early to get the perfect card back which makes it even less likely the whole team will want to sync a long rest again..
Loving the content.
I believe fortitude turns your attack into range THREE because it's PLUS 2 range
Yes it does had that clarified by a dev
When is your sawbones guide coming out that's the last one for gloomhaven
I still have Cthulhu to do too but soon! I’m trying to catch up
So when you move the token back and then move it forward do you get the XP 1 again? Noob question. 😬
Yes, you get the xp again (each time you move forward over the threshold but never when you move backward across it).
Lol i know it’s an old comment but i just played today (i’m only on scenario #3) and i just realised that i lost a bunch of xp in the previous scenarios (and 2 tries on the 3rd one) because i thought i could only get the xp once. So even if i moved a token backwards and then forward i would not get the xp… 🤦♀️
Wouldn’t fortitude have an implied range of 1 already so +2 range would give it 3 and another +1 range from the persistent ability would be 4 attack 4 range, pierce 2. That’s I figure it works at least
I know we talked about this already on stream :) , but my understanding is that melee attacks have no range value. I agree its written weirdly by saying +2 range instead of turn it into a range 2 attack though. I can only assume its for some other reason but will need to be clarified I think.
That's correct (although MQ has a reasonable understanding of this based on GH rules - FH rules on this are different). Melee attacks have an implied range of 1, so +2 range is 3.
@@drew23555 Interesting thanks for the clarification!
How does an add one target affect like the one on the bottom of Fierce Barrage work with an area affect like the bottom half of Destructive Fury? Do you get to AOE twice?
Edit: I think you have the bottom of Like the Wind wrong - I read it as you can choose a different persistent for each ally moved through. You'd word it differently if it was choose one card, for each ally moved through, move back one on that card.
Just one extra hex, sadly. So max 4 targets not 6.
The way its worded makes me believe you can have it either way. you can mix and match as each ally is a separate instance, so you can spread it around however many you choose.
@@MandatoryQuest Yes, you can mix and match what you move back with Ride the Wind. You can move the same persistent back multiple times, move different persistents back, or any combination.
@@drew23555 Awesome thanks Gripe that card is bananas!
Survivalist - "tokens and tiles" is because treasure chests are "tiles."
We really need a perk allowing the Drifter to start the game with a persistent effect online
-Rinello
Hey Rinello! Nice idea but possibly a bit too similar to the boneshaper perk getting a free summon action, or at least if the intention is for the double check perks to feel a bit more unique to the characters. Would certainly help the character get off to a faster start though.
Is big damage not a thing unless it's a burn?? Lvl 3 attack 2 on 2?? Like lvl 1 brute had better
There’s been a lot of rebalancing in FH compared to GH, and also you have to consider the Drifters persistent abilities buffing actions up. It’s probably going to be impossible to fairly rank these characters alongside GH ones, but we will see with the unlock characters.
I love buffs, I love persistent abilities, and I love versatility.
I'm not concerned that it's not complex; it seems like a home run for checking all those boxes.
Also, those last three perks are all cool in their design (props to Gripeaway and Themris).
It's kind of a shame that this is available as a starter and so is the Boneshaper. The Drifter seems like it'd be my favorite starting class, and it certainly seems more powerful than the Boneshaper, but I can't pass up the cool opportunity to play as a necromancer.
It will be interesting to see if the unlockable characters are all desirable to play. I only found myself going back to a starter in the original GH at the very end, but perhaps as these characters are all a bit more complex you'll find an earlier opportunity to go back.
Been waiting for this a looong time. I t is probably going to be my starter.
There is no whay the reroll the loot perk will not be my first choice. I am a sucker for loot!
The earlier you get it the better for sure so its very very tempting.
its an ok all arounder/tank class, kinda meh though
A bit meh/basic with mechanics for sure, but low key will be one of the strongest starters IMO.
Very disappointed with the starter characters. Apart from this one they are all fiddly.
Deathwalker is great fun