The True Tragic Victims of Dinosaur Movies
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2022
- Jurassic World Dominion and other Jurassic World movies, Disney's Dinosaur etc. have a problem: they portray carnivore, Prey eating dinosaurs negatively (some exceptions: Blue the Velociraptor & the T. Rex, Rexy from JP/JW). Let's tackle this animal trope (similar to my Therizinosaurus herbivores are cute vid) that also appears in things like Jaws, Beast 2022 etc. and discuss its several instances in dinosaur movies
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I asked one guy once
"A tiger trys to hunt a deer, who is running for their life?"
The guy said it was obviously the deer.
It was both..
"When a tiger chases the deer, they're both running for their lives"
wrong
tigers do not run after deer
Imagine just walking in the woods and someone goes up to you and just a asks that question. I’m not mad don’t worry it’s just a lil funny if it wasn’t someone you knew lol
@@terrytheinsane so....they fly?
@@severalkenobies9860 tigers don't chase deer because they know deer can outrun them and it isn't worth wasting energy.
Honestly, it's true since us, humans, are always viewing carnivorous dinosaurs as vicious beast instead of considering them as ordinary animals.
Yeah and I guess evolutionarily it makes sense since we were preyed on by many carnivores, so I guess it’s still a primitive remnant of it
Carnivores aren’t evil there friendly even UA-cam allow people had pets which is a larger carnivore
@@Gamma138 Thank you so much for spreading this message. I am really sick of seeing carnivores being portrayed as monsters. I'm thinking of making a protest video about it too.
In all fairness, most people don't even consider humans as a part of the natural ecosystem either.
@@Tyresaurus If they're going to portray carnivores as villains, they shouldn't let them be killed off. They can be defeated but they don't deserve death as they're only following their natural instincts.
I’m so glad someone finally said it. I’ve gotten tired of media portraying animals as evil creatures. There are very few, if any, truly evil animals out there.
As far as i know the only evil animals had previous contact with humans
Humans are truely vile creatures.
The only truly utterly despicable animal out there is The Hippopotamus. This herbivorous devil is extremely vicious
@@astalouroboros2955How did humans cause the evilness of dolphins? Explain yourself…
Again, when you have a movie centered around wildlife (animals/dinosaurs) or whatever, something has to be the obstacle/villain that gives action scenes. There’s literally no choice besides a villainous human which they usually also include. It’s not accurate but accuracy is not an option
Interesting to note: In the DND world, much of the non-intellectual predators, no matter how vicious they are, like tigers, lions, etc. are rated as “Unaligned”, as they don’t understand the concepts of good and evil- only natural instinct and need for food for survival.
Ya, people forget, we do the same thing. If i go and shoot a deer to eat, thats fairly morally gray depending on who you ask. A vegan might say its always evil, but hunters and alot of average people would most likely agree killing a animal is only evil if you waste the body. I cant fault anyone for wanting to eat.
Some animals can act for revenge or gratitude. I think that needs some kind of understanding about good and evil.
@@eestaashottentotti2242Emotional responses do not require empathy or intent; they are automatic cognitive functions. Animals lack the sort of self-awareness to grasp more than a very rudimentary level of cause and effect or to empathize and by extension to act to deliberately affect others beyond responding to their impulses and conditioning. Animals are incapable of ethical consideration and the entire category of ethics is inapplicable to them.
@@Lickickerthere is nothing evil on killing other animals that's nature
This is a great comment!
In Disney Dinosaur it makes sense that the carnos are represented like that, since the story is told from Aladar's pov, and for a herbivore, a carnivore its a monster.
True.
If this was accurate (speaking about the species of dinos in the movie) then aladar would be fine (carno is much smaller than iguanodon)
And on top of that, the Carnotaurs are probably desperate for a meal, due to the famine that was going on thanks to the meteor.
In Jurassic world Henry wu says to a canary a cat is a monster
They even had another Iguanodon act at a sort of societal antagonist in the movie. So it's not like herbivores are painted as perfect angels either
Oddly enough, the T. rex breakout scene from the original Jurassic Park does well to portray the T. rex as an animal. She was given a very light snack in the form of a goat. When she noticed the gates weren't electified, she broke free of her confinement. From then on she seemed more like a curious and hungry animal. The only prey available were the humans. The only times she attacked were when the humans drew her attention to themselves.
The T. rex couple getting their baby back in Jurassic Park: The Lost World, and the scene in Jurassic Park III where Alan and the rest give the Velociraptors their eggs back also show how these predators are animals and not bloodthirsty monsters.
And also how after that in The Lost World they run around the jungle knowing that t rexes aren't hungry anymore so they won't be aggresive
@@minecad2828 Except the Buck will get the scent of his offspring from Harding's clothes and go to the camp in order to find his baby.
@@jacobcox4565Buck, not Bull
@@jacobcox4565, and even then, he's not a villain, but a victim trying to recover his family.
Rexy is just eating lay chips compared to what a T rex needs to eat
The 2 parents aren't villianzed, but just give the horror of encountering a angry T rex
In Jurassic Park 3, when the group come up on a dead carcass and a T-Rex pops up, it isn't chasing them because it is hungry... it has food, it is simply chasing the big group of tiny animals away from its food and territory. The rex inadvertently chases them into the Spinosaurus, and they fight over territory. It was a clever way to get them to fight.
In reality he would just scare them off with roar and never move away from prey more than few meters. T-Rex and Spinosaurus also would never fight to death. In JP theropods act like monsters not animals, it's action movie not documentary.
and that rex was big eattie mate.
@@woolfyxT. rex in The Lost World is well portrayed as an animal.
Of course he probably wouldn't attack a bus but rather run away in the opposite direction, but at the end of the day movies need to entertain
@@fmac6441 Of course, it's hard to demand from action movies to realistically portray dinosaurus behavior because they wouldn't be entertaining, key is to find good balance. Documantary series are for that.
@@fmac6441 it would likely attempt to intimidate the bus considering that from the rex’s perspective it is a large unknown thing that is “roaring” and moving quickly towards it but unless they actively tried to ram it into the rex or something dumb like that it would likely only threaten and if humans got out and started running it wouldn’t even bother chasing them
It’s always funny when people portray carnivorous animals as hyper aggressive and who kill with little to no provocation, while herbivores are usually portrayed as shy creatures who’d much prefer to flee from danger, rather than fight.
When in reality, it’s quite the opposite.
Just like snakes. Most snakes are shy and they would run away instead of bloodthirsty-like chase me to death.
hmm just like vegan irl
Yep
*ahem* hippos
That’s why I’ve always loved that quote of “to a mouse a cat is a monster, we’re just use to being the cat.”.
Another one that is similar, but a bit in the opposite side:
"Normal is an illusion. What is normal to the spider is chaos to the fly." - Morticia Addams
Sadly most people do not realize that these carnivores are just following their instincts or just doing their jobs maintaining the ecological balance
YES! On one hand, it's a fluffy baby, but to the bird it's a demon from hell
@@AdrianMarinMarinoES Then people get mad when a carnivore eats a human humans are just animals which can be eaten like any other but apparently they're better then all of nature.
good and evil looks very similar from the wrong side of the dinner plate
Remember in The Lost World where the group felt safe running through the jungle because they knew that T Rex wouldn't eat if they weren't hungry?
Those were the days...
Remember The lost world were the island was divided in a herbivore and a carnivore part? Makes totally no sense even for me as a child.
The best Jurassic Park movie
@@marckrieger3277only if it’s the ‘oh hey we put these animals in these locations as the park so the animals would in theory be divided by how the park would be divided’
@@marckrieger3277 When was this? We literally see herbivores and carnivores right next to each other in the movie, completely unphased by each other.
@@CryosisOfficial
Lost World, the whole Plan of the Expedition of Hammond and Ludlow Was based on the fact (backed on infrared satelites) that the carnivores only lived in the Center of sorna, the herbivores lived on the outskirts.
This is why I liked Prehistoric Planet so much, it portrayed dinosaurs as ACTUAL animals and not spectacle monsters like in most movies
Okok, I know PP is mainly a documentary, but still enjoyable to watch if you love dinos, heck even in scenes where they could have gotten cheap views with predators hunting and killing prey, it shows you sometimes they fail (like real carnivores), and most often than not do more stuff than just hunt, for example the scene of the carnotaur 'dance' is was pretty funny and cute imo
Oh yes. The Carnotaurus "spirit fingers" scene was the best thing I saw in PP.
Fuly agree with you, PP its a real good documentary, show "right side" of things, I aswell dont like this Carnivore is bad killing machines..
I love that we got like 4 T Rex scenes, which are all fantastic, and none of them involves active hunting or fighting another anachronistic big theropod for the sake of it.
PP is good but walking with dinosaurs still tops it. PP felt too clean and not enough brutality.
@@KhanMann66yeh all bite marks just felt like litterally flesh wounds
I think it would actually be more terrifying if the indominus Rex was a herbivore but still attacked people because it would show how insane it actually went and how Abuse and teeny tiny enclosures destroy an animal and could have been a lesson
That wouldn't have made any sense, but it's a cool idea.
THIS IS SO TRUE, especially because herbivores can be more dangerous, because if they see you as a threat, you can't negotiate that you're not worth attacking, with carnivores you can negotiate that you're not worth hunting
Well for carnivores depends
A herbivore 9/10 will attack you no matter
A hippo can eat you whole
An elephant can crush every bone in your body
A zebra/horse can kick you so damn hard your skull would cave in
Same goes for ostriches if they didn’t run
Meanwhile alligators and lions, after they eat, just looks at you and didn't even bother to chase you
@@a_random_lizard go infront of a polar bear and komodo dragons first
*cough cough* hippos
I knew Dominion would break my Jurassic Park-loving heart when I read this about the Giganotosaurus in an interview: "I wanted something that felt like the Joker," Trevorrow said. "It just wants to watch the world burn."
Not only is that ridiculous, but he's also just describing the Indominus Rex.
Yeah exactly when I read that I was like “really?”. Honestly it’s beyond absurd and so like, try-hard. I’m glad it didn’t really turn out that way but either way. I made a video on this where I discuss that more if you wanna check it out 😎
@@Gamma138 hey can you please make a new video your videos are great
It’s funny how the only somewhat evil Dino is one 100% made by humans
WTF would a dinosaur want the world to burn the world?
Let's hope it doesn't get voiced by Jared Leto in the reboot lol!
Given the modern example of how aggressive bison and hippos can be, would love to see a dinosaur movie where the therapods are just chilling and the real threat is the triceratops.
Wonder how Hollywood would adapt that
@@Kitty_Cat_24 EXCUSE ME, WHAT?!?!
@@GamerMage2k-kl4iq hippos often eat fishes. By swallowing them.
@@GamerMage2k-kl4iq Depends on if we're getting someone who can ACTUALLY write. Some may say, "just avoid Disney" but clearly that's not enough.
@@65firered That’s a good point
The carnivore as an archetype for evil (or at least antagonism) is older than dirt. It can be summed up easily in three words: "big, bad wolf".
I noticed you said that Kron from Disney's Dinosaur was the one that killed the Carnotaurus' mate. That was a mistake. Brutus was the one who killed the Carnotaurus' mate, but Brutus died in the cave in as well, playing the hero trope so that Aladar and the others could escape. He sacrificed himself to cause the cave in. This is humanising a herbivore, even though it was mainly a tragic accident. If you noticed. The Carno who died is the one who grabbed Brutus and threw him into the pillar.
Now back to the moment with Kron. The Carno chose to go after him, because it was acting like an animal, picking out the straggler from a herd. Which is what they do in reality. They will often hunt the straggler because it wouldn't be protected by the herd. They will often hunt the one that falls behind. They also will often hunt a weak or dying animal.
EDIT: But I agree with you wholheartedly. Carnivores are way too often depicted as villains in movies. The Jurassic World creators only had Rexy killing the carnivores that went after the humans, for fan service. And it got more and more farfetched every time.
*Bruton
And the carno (the larger one that survived the cave collapse) was named in the script Andrew, he was also seen in the beginning of the movie and possibly later found his mate who truly goes unnamed.
Do the disney carnos have names?
Are they mates or siblings?
@@ruyaki7057 my previous message gave the answer, but I’ll say it again, the larger Carno was named in the script Andrew and the other smaller carno that died to Bruton and the cave collapse was Andrew’s mate.
In short one has a name, and they are mates not siblings.
@@NolanDraconis thx
I remember in the first Jerasic Park movie when the girl was frightened by a dinosaur and the boy told her not to worry because it was a vegetarian. A rhino is vegetarian, a hippo is vegetarian, a buffalo is vegetarian. Vegetarian s can be really dangerous.
Hippo are vegetarian but they kill more person per year than crocodiles and white sharks
Yes VEGETARIANS ARE MONSTERS. let’s make movies on how evil vegetarians are they are disgusting taking the life of poor plants
Totally agree
Elephants & silver backed gorillas too
I'd rather come upon a pack of wolves then a momma moose any day. Herbivores are crazy dangerous.
This is why I love Dead Sound's dinosaur animations, both the Dinosauria series and Sharp Teeth portray the carnivores correctly, as animals.
One of my favorite scenes is from A More Ancient Spring, where the Lambeosaurus protagonist encounters a theropod (forgot the specific species), one that hunted it's mate earlier in the film. Instead of immediately attacking the lambeosaurus it roared and threatened it, trying to get it away from it's eggs and didn't chase it after the lambeosaurus ran away, being more concerned with if it's eggs were ok.
Thank you for making this. I feel like this trope doesn't get discussed enough in regard to carnivores. Funny enough, the only time a carnivore in a dinosaur movie I saw was portrayed positively was with Chomper in the Land Before Time sequels. As bad as those movies were, Chomper was still treated with respect.
I tend to regard the Indominus Rex's villainous actions as her being psychotic due to not being raised with love and affection, being experimented on AND kept in a temporary prison for far too long. She wasn't evil, simply insane and full of primal rage at the world around her.
And they kind of made that a point too (pratt mentioned about how it grown up only with cranes giving it food instead of actually got care like any natural born creatures had)
Same im kinda insane
I mean, it killed its sister as hatchlings. It is kind of its own fault that it was raised in isolation (it always bugged me that Claire never mentioned that fact to Owen when he was complaining about it being on its own). Though that also highlights the fact that the enclosure was way too small if they originally planned to house two Indominusi in there.
It's been a while but I believe there was also a line where Claire said that it tried to attack and eat the human feeders which is why they now use a crane.
@@CryosisOfficialexcept killing its sibling would be completely normal. Many birds, especially birds of prey kill there siblings within the first weeks that their born. And birds are dinosaurs so maybe that happened with other theropods too.
@@Brandonutss Ok? Doesn't make it not its own fault that it is alone.
It'd be avery interesting concept if for once we would be on the carnivore's side of a story,
Like Herbivores can be oblivious to passing creatures but sometimes they can be overly aggressive, looking to vent or vengeful towards smaller predators.
Imagine like a whole herd of Triceratops acting like Cape Buffalo against a tyrannosaurus family.
That's basically Camp cretaceous season 3 for Blue.
Kinda related, but I'm in the process of writing a novel in which two juvenile dinosaurs are displaced in a tsunami and half to survive on their own. It then follows both animals. The creatures in question are a Parasaurolophus and a Gorgosaurus. I like the idea because one is still a herbivore, but the other protagonist being a carnivore trying to survive reiterates (even with some mild anthropomorphism) that it is just an animal.
Granted, another carnivore called Daspletosaurus is kind of the villain, but given that it was a competing apex predator, it's at least hopefully justified.
@@FlyingFocsdamn u gotta send it here
Wasn't that pretty much Speckles: The Tarbosaurus?
Well, that's basically Speckles the Tarbosaur and Dino King. They need a Lion King for Dinosaurs. Also, it's not like there aren't any good guy carnivore dinosaurs. Primal's Fang, Momma Rex from Ice Age 3, and Blue. Not many others though.
Dude: Carnivores
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Same with herbivores being portrayed as calm harmless creatures. Theri was the first herbivore they showed in Jurassic World that was territorial, perhabs a bit too much aggressive, but herbivores in the wild will most likely not just chill with you. They are more like wild Elephants and not domesticated cows.
I find it so funny that the v-rex's mainly focusing on that tiny human when they could really just gang up on Kong and attack him which would provide them more food if they were really that hungry but because they're focusing on the tiny human Kong is kicking their ass, and they should really just go for Kong first and then once they take down him they can kill the tiny human too like it's that simple
Poor V.rex did not deserve to job like that.
On the contrary, it’s because V. Rex were known to kill young kongs on sight to eliminate future competition. Considering that lady I forgot the name of smelled like kong, having literally been all over kong, I think y’all know exactly why it was chasing her. But yes, it still could have just eaten that corpse.
I mean, to be fair, Weta did write a book about the Natural History of Skull Island, as if the species were indeed animals not monsters. Having said that I feel a more grounded take would be Ann stepping out from inside the log and realizing the V. rex eating its prey. Then another V. rex would appear, fight the first one for the carcass but lose, then find Ann and try desperatly to catch her because it was famished. When Kong would finally appear to save her, the first V. rex and a third one would join the second to try and kill Kong, not minding Ann anymore.
The tiny humans are actually insignificant for them, it's like a lion eating a meerkat; too much trouble to catch for too little energy gain, unless it was already incapacitated and the lion didn't have to struggle to grab it, it's not worth it
@@saidi7975 Just like finding nemo, a lot of people are calling the barracuda evil for eating Marlins kids and wife and then they going to have the nerve to say that they wish that Bruce killed it. Like what does the barracuda have to do go on a vegan diet. The barracuda was just trying to find something to eat
Small note: the paddock they had Indominus in wasn’t its permanent enclosure, it was a temporary holding area until they moved it into its official exhibit in the park. However it does seem to be implied it was kept here for much longer than it was supposed to be, which likely contributed to its aggressiveness
I think it was also said somewhere that it killed its sibling because they werent given enough food to support their rapid growth
@@astalouroboros2955 so being a carnivore, she must have eaten her sister. Perhaps the worst sibling in the world would do that but still it can be understood when it comes to animals.
I like that camp Cretaceous (the newer Jurassic world show) would often depict the dinosaurs like animals, being social and having peaceful watering zones.
Wasn't the reason as to why the Indominus was a total psycho exactly because it was mistreaded and in a tiny enclosure? It's seemingly a very intelligent and complex animal; it was said in the movie that its only positive relationship was with the crane that fed it, that it doesn't know what it is and what is its place in its environment, and the "killing for sports" thing seems to be more experimenting than anything else. Also considering it socialized with the raptors and (at least to me) seemed more perplexed than anything else about that other giant Theropod that didn't hesitate to attack it, it looks to me like it was actually not as solitary as it seemed... All of this to say that, yes, the Indominus was a victim of circumstances, and considering the whole "you wanted a monster" and "the animals are assets" thing, it was likely done on purpose.
The indoraptor was treated the same way
It is as Owen said, "Animals raised in isolation aren't the most stable." And with how big the Indominus got the size of the enclosure was the equivalent of a orca in a tank.
@@CreatureLove-A189 Imagine if they made a male in dominus rex. They said that a male in dominus would be far more dangerous
@@desmondedwards6628Wasnt there another Indominous made but the Indo we see in the movie, as stated by Claire, "She ate it"? /genq
@@-drxxms-dxlight It was her sister not a male
To be fair, I have noticed that a lot of JP fans didn't like how the Giganotosaurus was handled.
Also, I find it interesting that you put the I. rex here, but not the JP3 Spinosaurus when it was argueably a rage filled psychopath as well via chasing Grant and others when they were out of its territory, as well as bow it should have been licking it's wounds from the propeller strike and whatever injuries it sustained from that one fight.
How is it gona lick its wound thats on its sail
@@goji3908 whoa that sounds cool can you send me the source so I can read it myself.
@@goji3908 I think that would have also tied into why the spino was chasing the humans to begin with. Nothing big enough for it to eat. It was starving and when it saw small, slow, easy prey, like all predators, it took advantage of that.
@@goji3908 No I think that just a random theory used by JP3 fans
I have seen other people say the Giganotosaurus did nothing wrong and felt bad for the poor thing when it was brutally killed after its only crime was being a rival to Rexy.
Carnivorous animal: *breathes*
Humans: And I took that personally.
You know it's kinda ironic, movies treat carnivores and predators as bloodthirsty villains yet when you think about it humans are the ultimate apex predator
Another thing about the Carnotarus is that it is the only time in a Disney movie where the villain gets the "death fall" treatment and you fully see the body afterwards
Only because his skin was strong enough to not create a bloodbath after the fall 😂
Mufasa? You see his body, too.
@@yaqubebased1961 Mufasa isn't a villain
@@WingedFish66 right
Technically you see Clayton's body in Tarzan
I'm glad that the media is slowly starting to portray carnivorous dinosaurs as simply animals instead of bloodthirsty monsters, but I am disappointed that they are still being *seen* as the villains. Take the JW Giganotosaurus, for example. It did not act like a monster at all, but it was still killed off in the climax fight, simply because it attacked the protagonists likely because they entered its territory and disrupted it. I liked Dominion but this is the main part of the movie that really annoyed me.
Tbf that's how nature is. Innocence doesn't mean anything to a predator or territorial herbivore.
So while the scene failed to make the giga's death a joyful moment, it did succeed in showing the brutal reality of nature.
@@thorodinson6625 no, it did not, it did exactly what Colin Trevorrow wanted: to let Tyrannosaurus win (Treworrow thinks dinosaurs are only for kids and also is T-rex fan, this type of peoples soudnt make Jurassic movies, because =
If guy think dinosaurs are only for kids: movie gonna have good and bad dinosaurs and also gonna Tyrannosaurus win, because kids love Tyrannosaurs (Dominion have it)
If guy is T-rex fan: Tyrannosaurus gonna win, even if it means it gonna die and wake up from death (Dominion have it)(and no, she wanst unconsciousness, when you are unconsciousness, your eyes are closed, she had eyes opened, she died and come back to life just because Colin wanted her to kill poor Zeb the giganotosaurus)
@@roguetheoutlander8800 its a movie. I dont know about you but I dont go to the theater expecting realism
@@mikaelangehagen7251 Ay hello fellow Mikael!
@@McChubbz0 hello there Mikael
Fun fact: The V. Rex in canon to the film are apparently an answer to the question, what would happen if T. Rex became inbred? Yes, those dinos are essentially an inbred family. Apparently the V. Rex that ran for Ann was a juvenile hence the wasting its energy part but yeah, the whole family wasting this much energy on Kong and Ann feels weird especially considering Kong is not just some easy prey item
It’s not just Jurassic world movies, it’s most animal movies. The meat eaters are just trying to survive
I do recall reading an article that the Indominus Rex's behaviour in JW was based off accounts of escaped tigers that grew up in acaptiviry and didn't know how to behave as normal animals. Apparently they went on a killing spree when they escaped.
No way pre
This is why I like Primal. Even carnivores are treated as animals. When Red dies (Fang’s boyfriend) we aren’t meant to cheer that the “evil” carnivore is dead, it’s a genuinely tragic moment. You even understood some of the dinosaur villains and they aren’t shown as evil. The truly evil villains are non-dinosaur abominations or humans. Which makes sense. Like the Night Feeder, it’s more like a strange being of witchcraft that violently kills everything, and the plague Sauropod, it’s seen as tragic due to the plague it suffered and it’s not shown as it’s fault, though I’m still glad we got a herbivore as a villain. I’m tired of carnivore villains tbh
Yeah but if you think about it herbivore villains are kind of not fun,
@@AdvancedGamer- Why not?
@@Flammifleure because the herbivores just kinda hit you with a tail or stomp you, meanwhile the carnivorous starts chasing its fun and entertaining, a herbivore chasing wouldn’t be that entertaining
There’s entire bloodsport festivals based around how entertaining and deadly bulls chasing humans can be.
@@AdvancedGamer-it wasnt entertaining it was terrifying
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Thanks dude I appreciate the support!
What annoys me even more about dominion was at least with the other movies, the villain was something that was a crime against nature, and something that rebelled against its oppressors that made it for the sole purpose of killing and looking cool. The dinosaur was an antagonist but also the scientists mainly. I thought the newer one could’ve been a lot better.
Honestly, even as a kid, I always saw the 'true' villains of Disney's Dinosaur as being Kron and Bruton (although the latter redeems himself). The Carnotaurs are, as you mentioned, just following their instincts; it's Kron who enforces a brutal 'survival of the fittest' ideology over his entire herd and threatens those who disagree with him with violence. The Carnotaurs are a natural threat, who challenge the main characters physically, but Kron is more of a sociological one, challenging them ideologically - and I think that's a rare example of a herbivore villain in an animal movie.
If you like seeing carnivores be humanized, you might want to look at Land Before Time 2 and 5, as well as Ice Age 3. I know they're animated kids' film sequels, but they do show carnivorous dinosaurs as parents and nurturers who have enough intelligence and restraint to NOT attack the main characters in the end. That being said, they still go up against 'evil' carnivores who threaten the mcs, but I feel like that sort of thing is kind of inevitable in these kinds of movies. I believe there was also an episode of the Land Before Time series where a raptor spared the protagonists' lives in gratitude for them saving it. Again, it's something for preschoolers, but it's the best I can think of at the moment.
I also highly recommend You Are Umasou. ;)
Kron has terrible communication skills, but he has a very cogent point. The situation is dire, and the logistical needs of his charges are immense. If he had explained the situation, frankly, and logically rather than using a threatening, totalitarian tone, the pressure is, he was under as leader, and what the herd was facing, would have made him seem extremely sympathetic. He is currently dealing with a life and death situation, which could result in absolutely everyone dying. This is the ultimate unforgiving high-stakes situation. Logistical demands of the herd or immense every single member hundreds of them meeting hundreds of gallons of water and several tons of food per day in a desert. Every cooling pants, and every beat of the heart is moisture and energy lost against a ticking clock.
Aside from being strictly speaking right about the need to keep moving, his methods were stupid. It would have made sense to split the herd in two or possibly three. I have a van guard at the front which scouts The Way ahead and tries to collect food and water have a second heard of healthy individuals who can move quickly and a third heard of the slow and weak. It increases the foraging capacity. It also means that, even if the slow and weak must die, not everyone dies with them.
@@Mortabluntthank you Luhansk
And to be fair to the Sharp-Tooth examples we see in that series, they’re mostly depicted being stuck in a relatively barren wasteland with not a lot of resources. Of course they’d go after every little thing that moves, and of course even if there isn’t an immediate chase it would still become a total “me or him” situation anyway just by virtue of how desperate things were and are outside of the Great Valley.
I felt the same about Kron and Brutus. It’s been ages since I’ve watched Dinosaur but I do remember thinking that
Someone mentioned in another video that the reason the V-rexes were so interested in the woman was because they thought she was an infant kong
The V-rexes and the kongs had been competitors for thousands of years
Their feud only got worse as more of skull Island fell into the ocean forcing them to compete more and more due to lack of space
We saw how powerful 1 kong was (capable of 3v1ing the V-rexes while protecting the girl at the same time)
Killing competition before it can become a threat does make sense
I subscribe to this theory solely because it allows me to properly enjoy the fight without wondering why they're so stupid
The theory makes a lot of sense to be fair
I mean, your not wrong
You're wrong. That's a human way of thinking. In nature, you don't kill competition unless it's a competition for mating rights. A lion does not go out of it's way to hunt hyena, and will only kill them if they are standing directly between themselves and a meal. What the rexes did, besides extraordinarily stupid, giving their lives in a risky fight they had no certain odds against for a tiny meal, was also not at all how any predator would act. Predators, specially of such sizes, will carefully consider prey. If it will take more effort to hunt than the energy replaced from the meal, they won't do it. If it poses a threat and they are not so desperate, they also won't do it. For a miniscule human, not even a snack for any one of them, they would fight a Kong? Ridiculous.
It's not a bad theory, but in my opinion still falls pretty flat in regards to the V. Rex scene. Predators usually don't go out actively hunting their competition, they will only do so if they get an easy kill, like getting the chance to ambush or stumbling uppon an animal that is already weakened.
In that regard, it's still pretty stupid that the V. Rex wastes a large prey item just for a small chance to get a competition infant. And it falls completely appart the monent they start 3 v 1 ning Kong and risking their life.
It's a stupid scene that doesn't make any sense. I wouldn't try to justifyit as anything different.
Why is kong the only one in that movie if the species is so great? 🤨
wanna point something out 2:00, carnotaurus is acting 100% within reason for a natural predator, when somethings happening that stresses out/confuses a creature of that size (IE a volcano literally erupting, or when tranquilized), its 100% normal for the to act erratic like that, their freaking out just like everyone else would
Did anyone else notice the hole in the crocs head at 0:49 seconds?! He opened his mouth and the hole opened as well, I know crocs have their nostrils on the tip of their snout not on top of their head!? WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THAT HOLE??????
The worst part is: both Carno examples you gave had versions that were radically beefed up to be so demonic that the only real semblance of the actual animal was the osteoderms. As a kid, the Carnotaurus from Dinosaur terrified me. Then I learned what the real creature was like, and it's now my absolute favorite dino.
See for me as a kid I thought the Carno was a apex because disneys dinosaur made them look like one of the coolest creatures, but like you mentioned "beefed up" even though they're just a cheetah/bull of the dinosaur world
*insert the little dance from prehistoric planet*
My faviorite are Raptors
@@untrollquifaitdesblaguessa6922Oh my goodness, it was sad the Male got rejected.
Out of curiousity, what was it about the Carnotaurus that made it your favourite?
I am here to explain why the carno was to aggressive:
In JW, the movie explains that dinosaurs are made to be bigger, more aggressive and with more teeth to earn more money on their park.
So, basically, they're not animals, they are hybrid monsters.
2:48 I think that was the point. It was locked in a small cramped enclosure, and now it’s taking revenge. But what you said after is something I can completely agree with.
...and there's yet to be a serial killer hippopotamus horror film
I love all these movies but I just feel bad for the so called “evil carnivores”, they were just following their instincts, of living life.
Except the indominus,Indoraptor and spino
All the other's just act like animals
@Cool-qq7wr true but the spino has serious unnatural beef with trex's for some reason
“Okay so they call me evil just because i try to get my dinner, that the most unfair stuff i ever seen”
- Carnivore Dinosaur
Bro nobody thinks that carnivores are actually evil but a dinossaur movie without bloodthirsty carnivores would be boring af
@@Cool-qq7wrbruh
It’s not just carnivores being mistreated as well, but also herbivores. Always being prey to the “angry mad blood thirsty monsters” and when the herbivores get up and personal with the carnivore they can’t fight back or are too weak to actually defend themselves. It’s sad how people just view dinosaurs like that. They are just animals trying to survive after all, if went to the zoo you would see tigers and crocodiles try to attack the visitors.
People forgetting that Herbivores are some of the most dangerous land animals
@@A3319Yep, and I would say they were much more territorial than some carnivores.
Hence, hippos, rhinos, elephants, etc.
I wanna see a herbivorous animal be a main antagonist for once
The Indominus was actually Bred and treated poorly to be a monster. Dr. Wu even said as much.
This is why this is why anthropomorphizing animals that are meant to be animals- not human-like creatures (ex., Zootopia)- is always a problem. Disney’s Dinosaur is a weird case, since there is a very anthropomorphic story for these non-anthro characters, but the Carnotaurus is not like the main characters. It does not talk. It does not interact in anyway except to hunt. It acts like an animal, yet we are supposed to see them as characters like the main cast.
In case of Disney Dinosaur its kinda understandable because movie is from point of view of herbivores. Obviously buffalo don't think of a tiger as a animal that want to survive like them but as threat for its life.
Or the Lion King, where the talking sapient predators are literally the government with talking sapient herbivores as their subjects, which raises uncomfortable questions.
@@teawrecks1243 Lion King is basically a retelling of Hamlet first and an animal film second, so I kinda forgive them
I've always seen the Carnotaurs as a force of nature, rather than characters. I would've hated it if they had added dialogue to them, and I think that the choice to leave it was for the better. It's probably one of the most natural portrayals of carnivores in a movie whose protags are herbivores. Imo.
I actually like that about that movie. It illustrates the "to a canary a cat is a monster" idea. The carnotaurus in that movie is just an animal, but because we are seeing from the perspective of animals capable of rational thought, we start to view the carnotaurus as a monster for its animal like behavior.
As a kid I always felt like carnivores are just trying to eat but it made sense why they would be portrayed as evil from the perspective of prey.
Having a psychotic herbivore dinosaur would be much scarier, it would feel more personal
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I never thought of them as evil, even as a kid. I thought "holy shit t-rex cool"
There’s an animated Japanese movie called “You Are Umasou“, which roughly translates to “You are Yummy!” It’s about a small tyrannosaur struggling to come to terms with being a carnivore, as he was raised by herbivores. I feel like it wonderfully explores a new perspective not often seen before in dinosaur movies. Check it out if you have the time, it’s a great watch!
This whole situation is exactly why I desperately want an adaptation of Raptor Red: A story where the main cast of characters is a family of Utahraptors, and goes in great detail about their struggles to hunt for food and maintain their territory, while still having to protect one another from the various dangers of life.
They’ve tried getting a film made for decades, it was actually one of two films The Jim Henson Company planned on making the other being Animal Farm, but that one must’ve not done as well as they hoped so that’s why it wasn’t made
If you think abt it, Lion King is a movie from the carnivores' perspective
Raptor Red was an awesome novel.
@@AnaLugia256And the Hyena's that time were depicted as stupid and evil.
I guess every movie needs a villain or people will get bored.
I’m honestly surprised you didn’t use the T-Rex family from Disney’s The Good Dinosaur as an example of how large Theropods don’t always have to be portrayed as antagonists.
The moment Nash and Ramsey appear on screen, they look as though they’re fully intent on devouring Arlo and Spot. Even after they scare off Thunderclap and his Pterosaur gang, it just builds it up as though they’re another antagonist or obstacle Arlo and Spot have to get past. But then, they help the young dinosaur to his feet and ask him if he’s okay after that harrowing encounter. They and their father Buck (who is without question the second most badass T-Rex in pop culture, behind only JP/JW’s Rexy) end up helping Arlo find his way home and even teach him how to face his fears.
I always admired the writers of the film for not portraying T-Rex as the antagonist of the film as one would expect. While still showing that they’re large and powerful predators regardless.
On the flip side, people can forget how dangerous herbivores can be. A dairy cow can still fuck you up.
You are doing a great job pointing out the importance of ” is my prey worth it" in predator behaviour. Most movies get it wrong for making cheap drama.
I think the problem is that people often forget that these are real animals that existed, they're animals not monsters
Ramarac is sentient enough to hold a grudge against kong
The final battle with Giga was soooooooooooooo unfair Giga's design is the best out of anyone and he stood no change R.I.P Giga
Im not gonna lie, I think the Land Before Time did a great job with the difference between herbivores and carnivores although selectively sometimes. In the first few movies, we see the carnivores clearly not speaking, only growling and roaring (with the exception of the villains from Journey Through the Mist, which was a Dinosuchus and a scavenger bird) but in the 5th movie, when Chomper returns, it shows that Carnivores and Herbivores actually speak different languages. That kind of thing is what makes me think is the reason the Carnotaurs and raptors dont talk in Disney's Dinosaur. However, when we first get a glimps of the raptors in that movie, im pretty sure the one we saw laughed, cuz when they spot it and it goes over the hill, you can clearly hear a "hehehe"
Yeah I was about to comment about Chomper (and Ruby, an oviraptor from the cartoon series)
The thing is, in Fallen Kingdom, we literally see the Allosaurus doing exactly what a normal animal would. The Allo is running for it’s life, it’s equally afraid. Yet the Baryonyx and Carno act like complete monsters and, instead of trying to survive, only try to kill.
I also heard that the Stegoceratops was gonna be in JW, and it was apparently going to be fairly docile, but they cut it so the Indominus felt more special
I think the Baryonyx WAS hungry given from where it appeared, and trying to hunt Claire and Franklin wasn’t the wrong thing to do if it WAS hungry. And the Baryonyx probably didn’t know what was going on either.
Even though I love the game, carnivores in ARK literally just roam around killing and eating non-stop, even sacrificing themselves just to kill something and they will never stop eating
A great example of role reversal comes from a show called Primal. It follows a neanderthal named Spear who befriended a T-Rex named Fang. One of the episodes includes a zombie virus that infects a brontosaurus and turns it into a literal unstoppable nightmare that has to get INCINERATED BY LAVA to kill it for good. Not only does it show that herbivores can be just as scary under the right conditions, but the vehement chasing makes sense because it's infected so all it's natural instincts are already gone.
People are so mean to carnivores when they don't do anything wrong they're just animals just like herbivores and they want to survive just like anybody else
The Gorgosaurus from Walking with Dinosaurs (2013) is another good example of this, they hunt for food and are even shown taking down prey for their young yet they're treated as the antagonists for merely doing what keeps them alive.
I mean, same as Dinosaur, the story is from the herbivores pov, so it makes sense (Also the detail of the Gorgosaurus leaving when it got its arm broken, wich is pretty accurate)
Regarding the v rex chasing the woman after getting it's meal: I recently watched a documentary in which a pack of lions downed an ox, but then a smaller animal walked in on them (don't remember if it was a warthog or sth Antilope like) . Two or three of the lions broke off to chase and kill it because it was right there and it would mean more food for the pack.
So I guess for pack animals it makes sense
Thank you for talking about this! This has bothered me forever :( Of course i love me some good ''monster dino'' movie, but this trope in dinosaur media is so tiring, my eyes roll right out of my sockets. Not to mention this legit gives some of people very warped view on dinosaurs, to a point where depicting dinosaurs more realistically has those people outraged..
It's important to note that the Carnotaurs were just as tired, hungry and thirsty as the herd
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Ok. I will admit that comparing this scene to birds is a little off. But I do know why this scene was added.
Looking at the lore, we see that the ecosystem of the island was extremely unstable from the beginning, with carnivores outnumbering herbivores, not to mention volcanic activities in late 2017, which began poisoning plants and fish, as well as making places uninhabitable due to immense heat and ash in some regions.
This means that some of the animals were deprived of food for prolonged periods. And such periods without food will not allow a creature to think rationally.
What the carnotaurus did was not normal. But at least, it wasn't out of nowhere.
Edit: this is the same reason why the baryonyx in the lava chamber attacked Claire and Franklin. The circumstances it faced before did not allow it to think.
Cool I never thought of it that way!
so the island ecosystem being unstable is kinda not true as these are all species on the island that we know of
(im not counting hybrids as their time was not that long to have them in the food chain)
herbivores:
ankylosaurus
apatosaurus
brachiosaurus
coelurus
edmontosaurus
euoplocephalous
gallimimus
microceratus
nasutoceratops
ouranosaurus
pachycephalosaurus
pachyrhinosaurus
parasaurolophus
parasaur lux
pelorplites
sinoceratops
stegosaurus
stygimoloch
triceratops
19 herbis total
carnivores
allosaurus
baryonyx
carnotaurus
ceratosaurus
compsognathus
dilophosaurus
dimorphodon
elaphrosaurus
herrerasaurus
pteranodon
monolophosaurus
segisaurus
suchomimus
tarbosaurus
teratophoneus
t-rex
velociraptor
17 carnis total
and only 1 omnivore
not to mention the already native species on the island:
Brown pelican
Collared aracari
Red-tailed boa
Nublar tufted deer
Green sea turtle
Nublar's striped boa
Nublar's tapir
all species mentioned in the offical wiki
@@somerandomdudeonline637 all that on an island of 30 square miles. Imo that is extremely small for that number of animals.
@@thorodinson6625 some how a group of islands has the largest reptile some how so ig nature is on crack alot
@@somerandomdudeonline637if you mean the komodo dragon, that's not a realistic comparison, dinosaurs were huge, while the komodo dragon(the largest reptile) is merely the same length as a grown man and the size of a fully grown bulldog, of course they will fit on an island and even more so for a collection of islands, especially since I'm sure their population size is relatively small as well. But having tons of Gigantic avain beasts on 1 island too small for any of them is definitely gonna cause environmental issues which will still result in dinosaurs acting out of control
In the defense of killing more than what they bargained for, its called surplus killing. Where one predator kills more than once, but only eats one body; which is represented in both leopards and wolverines.
the indominus would have turned out like a normal carnivore if it wasn't treated as an asset and something for marketing just to get sponsorships from big companies. it was trapped, and barely had any contact for most if not all of its life
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nope.
it's really mainly down to it's upbringing, because animals that are mentally unstable DO sometimes kill to test things
But the I-rex wasn't just randomly doing it nor was it only "sometimes" doing it, there's a whole scene of the main characters finding lots of herbivores been slaughtered with no sign of any of them being chewed on, meaning the Rex was killing just because it felt like it, and not because it wanted to hunt for food
Interestingly, I think the therizinosaurus was done rather realistically in Jurassic World 3. It was just grazing around when it noticed there was someone else in his land. So he killed the deer and tried to kill the human not because it was a bloodthirsty psychopath, but because it wanted to protect its foodsource. And then there was the ending, which kinda ruined my boy Theri...
yeh they got a bit carried away with the various "pose moments" for the dinos in the JP franchise, ah Hollywood.
The therizinosaurus is a herbivore, sue they entirely changed it just because they wanted an escape scene
@@Lokitellusnope, they're omnivores. At least real ones were. I don't know what the JW ones are, given it doesn't exactly have a good track record for realism.
Watching these movies is like seeing a man screaming and sprint 200 yards to chase a marshmallow
I think JP2 succeeded in representing carnivores in a more neutral way, the way they depict the Trex as a caring parent instead of a bloodthirsty beast. Even Roland does say that predators don't hunt when they are not hungry.
"Sharp Teeth" is an animation here on UA-cam that states the carnivores aren't evil. In their other animations, the carnivores are also depicted as animals and not bloodthirsty. There's one where one roars at a hadrosaur that got close to her nest. But as soon as the hadrosaur left, she ignored it and went back to her nest.
I just watched it! Awesomeness!
The worst case has got to be Sharptooth from the Land Before Time. There was a major disaster, and only the main gang of baby dinosaurs are around, and Sharptooth is pursuing them relentlessly--because they're the only thing left to eat for miles and he's likely desperately hungry.
And then the novelization tries (awkwardly) to portray him as a psychopathic sadist, which is stupid.
I agree, he was basically starving and there wasn't anything around.
He injured littlefoots mom during the first chase. Instead of getting back up to go after her, he instead bee-lines it for LF and Cera.
I heard a quote saying "are carnivores evil?,no - they just have sharp teeths"
The reason why the V-Rex chased Ann makes much more sense when we take the history of Skull Island into account. Kong‘s species and the V-Rex are basically the top dogs and at war with each other after the island began shrinking. The V-rexes saw Ann as an infant Kong, so their instinct was to take her out, since in their eyes she‘s a potential danger if she grew up.
I've always rooted for carnivores in films, even when they're the main antagonist/villain.
Same the poor thing is just hungy not evil.
@@steakinbacon8593okay but rooting for them is a little much lol
@@steakinbacon8593like I would still root for the humans or rexy [or blue] which I guess there are some carnivores you would root for but some there’s just no reason to
@@steakinbacon8593sure its just hungry but how would you feel if you were the prey? Or a beloved one such as your parent or pet? Creatures antagonizing each other are a normal thing in nature. Even animals can have grudges just as humans do, mostly because humans are animals as well.
There’s a movie called Dino King where the main character is a Tarbosaurus and his family get killed by a T-Rex, and yes the villain is a carnivore but so is the main character
I remember that one and how wrong the size of aquatic dinosaurs was. Still loved it.
There's a great subversion of this in the animated short "The Last Tyrant" by Dead Sound. Early on there's a scene with a bunch of various herbivores (Triceratops, Edmontosaurus, Pachycephalosaurus, and some kind of ornithomimid) gathered around a watering hole. A T-rex shows up, but doesn't attack the herbivores, instead just drinking water. It wasn't hungry, so it didn't do anything aggressive.
Anyone who likes dinosaurs should watch it, and the Dinosauria anthology it's part of.
People think herbivores are wholesome until they meet a hippo and get split in half.
Indominus rex was the most evilest in here, yet the most broken since it's been contained her entire life, so she became insane and sick of it and her space was too small like you said. Indominus needed more space, at least a live animal to eat for entertainment or something I guess to waste it's stamina on at least. I think indominus was more victim than villian. Overall I think she was a villian from being a broken character, she had been destroyed. Not only that, she probably felt very lonely, that's the reason why she communicated to the raptors. This could be proved wrong since she had a sibling and yet she killed her sibling as a baby, I think she was trying to play around and accidently killed and it traumatized her to become like this I think of.
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not entirely true.
I think you missed this.
before the cave in... it was mostly tracking the herd like normal predators
BUT after the cave in and with the loss of it's mate, it grew bitter and vengeful.
I did feel the same way but if u rewatch the video you will realize that the Carno didn't think irrationally and suddenly attack Aladar it still acted on its instincts and chose the strayed sheep
@@shihabrehan7054 indeed same with kron
@@shihabrehan7054Plus he was still rational enough not to attack THAT BIG of a herd and f*** Kron, he was an IDIOT, he literally pushed himself to his death.
To me the true villains of they's movies are the human antagonists and the carnivores are the victims 😢
I recently saw a clip of a man grabbing a broken tree branch, and rapidly hitting a snake that was attempting to consume a deer. Which was then cheered on by people who apparently ignored the abuse of the snake. The deer was even already dead, and I even saw a comment on said video saying “Thank God we have such good people. The poor deer just wanted to live, and that snake killed it.” It’s oh so sad that snakes, and carnivores in general, have such a large bias against them. The snake was trying to eat. And that snake was denied of its food. Hell, the snake even looked VERY thin for a boa of its size. I do hope that the snake was able to eat and survive after that.
This isn’t just movies but all media, carnivores are shown as unstoppable killing machines and the herbivores are shown as the cannon fodder for kill scenes enough matter how dangerous or harmless either are
Just to mention carnotauros was such an instinct animal that he ignored the small Dino for looking to a bigger pray that scene shows his ignoring saying like nah this one is small I’ll hind a bigger one, I like this scene which shows how animal instinct he was
Thats not instint but common sense
Plus he was the only "falling to his death villain" to not die like an idiot, he was just unlucky and too heavy for that cliff, and Aladar just happended to exploit that.
@@benzelwasington4059 Maybe I'm just straight up wrong, but fundamentally aren't they the same?
The Giga wasn't even that aggressive and yet died for nothing. Carnivores kill just for survival.
From what I’ve read the herbivores are more aggressive than the carnivores.
I genuinely feel like both theri (obviously) and rexy were more villainous than the giga in that movie. At least they properly showed the audience that herbivores aren’t good, and that they can be just as villainous and cruel as the carnivores and usually more.
Tbh none of them were bad. It’s the humans fault for burning the forest.
Rexy and Theri are both animals, just like the Giga.
I think you'd like the movie "You Are Umasou". It's a kids movie with talking dinos, and the main character is a t-rex that was raised by herbivores. This movie- and its sequel especially(not rlly a sequel, just a story taking place in the same universe)- treated carnivores as what they were: They just had to eat meat to survive. That's it. The antagonists are still antagonists, but not just because they're carnivores. In both movies, the protagonists are carnivores, too. Instead, while the antagonists are still carnivores, they're antagonists because of what they've done, not because of what they are.
To be fair, though. In the first jw movie the indominus rex being violent kindof made sense. It was raised in isolation and it killed its sibling when it was young.
So when it escaped and was killing for sport it was probably doing so because it wanted to test its strength and was having fun because it was free.
People in my theatre where clapping and cheering when "Rexy" came back and killed the poor giganotosaurus. I think any animal would do that.