Wanda, once again you have taken an important Biblical topic and with Scripture and sound teaching have explained it beautifully. When I began reading the Bible almost 40 years ago I had no teacher but the Holy Spirit. I then joined a denominational church and began going to Bible studies where I received so much push back on topics such as healing, spiritual gifts, and the sovereignty of God. I was dismayed but eventually realized that many believers see the Bible through the lens of their church doctrine rather than what the Word is actually saying. The Holy Spirit taught me that looking at Jesus as I studied the Bible was the only way to rightly divide the Word.
Many years ago religi0nelites on bilbicalsch0larship had been developed somekind misslead duplication of many ministries bodies of CHRIST Such as 'saved vvithout deliverance' , 'found Jesus on bible script' and else. They replicated that emptiness , prides , antichristian , proreligion anti currenttime prophetic through 'biblescholarship'. when worldyagenda being spreads out ..those so call ephorus ,pope , lutheranytber , bishop , cheekspeaker , catholicdefender , patter , biblevrow.... easily swallowed each vv0rldyagenda the only things that make them come to repentance 》 realizing holes of emptiness inside of soul or rejctions or watching the same body of pridespirit frm diffrent religion/sect doin horifying discrimination 😲. I believe their true fights after having real God's Spirit encounter , God's forgiveness ,deliverance & cast out demon =》 never reliving on etchinal gathering , watching proffesional sports (idolatary), debatesvlog , family cultural. . I dont want to lose anybody , but being close to body of pridespirit // anti gifts of Spirit (1cor12) , jezeblenetvv0rx , vatikanuts , lutheranytber =》 making ur self far away from CHRIST. 📯🕊🕊♥️🔥🕊🕊😇🎉😊🕊🕊🔥🎼♥️🎼📯🎼 PRAISE God for revival came down to earth since 2😊22 to early 2😇23 , i just praying for religion//denom member and attendats' have their way for repentance and go to where God's revival take place.
Wise teaching, Wanda. We cannot put God in a box. I couldn’t agree more that we can remain open for surprise from the Father not use different thought as a reason for division. Be open!
One of the most thorough, excellent teachings I have heard in the past few years. Thank you for your clarity and wisdom and sharing these truths with the church.
Thank you so much for this refreshing presentation! For my part, no one can deny what happened to me some 25 years ago this Easter. I was one who was indoctrinated in the cessation of gifts. But through a children’s weekend camp conference, that I was speaker, God changed all of that. I call it my Damascus road experience. In one weekend I went from literally teaching against it to actively living in and through it. Just goes to show that God has a merciful and marvellous sense of humor and way of furthering His purposes.
Thank you Wanda for this clear explanation of what NAR is and what it is not! I could not agree with you more! Bless you for you addressing this topic!
THANK YOU for the knowledge part! I was just in a discussion yesterday and explaining them same exact thing. If you are still in the pursuit of knowledge, then prophesy is NOT done away with either. For that is all prophesy is; the revelation of God being imparted to you, for future knowledge and/or warnings coming. If there is still "knowing", there is still "prophesy". They go hand in hand.
Thank you Wanda! I have been perplexed over this for a while now. Thank you for explaining like I have never heard as of yet. Holy Spirit when I ask always points me back to what Jesus said and did. I have been healed by Jesus and given direction by Holy Spirit to go to a specific place and the person He showed me and even the color they had on and hair color to give them a word to encourage. It's real!😊
Thank you Wanda for sharing this wisdom that is so needed today. I am 77 years old and accepted Jesus at age 12 even though my childhood was mixed with Lutheran church with added occult. I was the only child of four that was sent to Christian school where I accepted Jesus. I really grew up and matured as a believer at a Christian church led by a pastor that taught the gifts and the church flowed in the Holy Spirit gifts in a beautiful way that was perfect sort of Lutheran combined with the gifts flowing in a beautiful authentic Biblical way. Every family member we brought to that church accepted Jesus as Lord God and Savior.
No, you are alive for such a time as this! 😊 Hey I’m no spring chicken, but God is still giving me assignments. If you need a break, take it. But ALL Christians are needed for the last great harvest. Please understand that I mean this in the most loving way possible. ♥️
It need to get out now in Jesus mighty name and be totally burn with divinework of God'Spirit. Those religionspirit actually = pridespirit , jezeblenetvvorx , vatikanuts , antiChristian. When paulawhite calledout b l m excercise as antichristian several fakepreachers showing their face on internet. I thank God for that 😅🎉😊♥️♥️🕊🔥🔥🔥🕊🕊🙌😊🕊 bcz when pridespirit (leviatan) being exposed believer of God not have to apporach them
Thank you for addressing this issue. There are many of us who grew up in the religious systems you described, and have since accepted the Biblical view of the Spirit’s gifts and five fold ministry. About the NAR in particular, though, I have a different conclusion based on fruit-which should be consistently excellent if a person or group is putting themselves forward as spiritual authorities on a national scale. That’s a pretty high bar.
NKJV Amos 3:6-8 If a trumpet is blown in a city, will not the people be afraid? If there is calamity in a city, will not the Lord have done it? *Surely the Lord God does nothing, Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets. A lion has roared! Who will not fear? The Lord God has spoken! Who can but prophesy? Amplified Bible, Classic Edition Amos 3:6-8 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city and the people not be alarmed and afraid? Shall misfortune or evil occur [as punishment] and the Lord has not caused it? Surely the Lord God will do nothing without revealing His secret to His servants the prophets. The lion has roared; who will not fear? The Lord God has spoken; who can but prophesy?*
Thank you Wanda. I do believe the gifts and the miraculous is for today and active...although I am in a charismatic church I have to admit my spirit is grieved for the lack of accountability, lack of the fear of the Lord, lack of reverance and holiness, pride and disregard for the Word of God in some of these churches. We do need a "reset and overhaul" to echo your words. I also believe we should be careful to label concerned brothers and sisters( not talking about the cessationists) with having a religious spirit....we should all evaluate ourselves to see "if we are still in the faith". There are many rampant and "out there" teachings in the Body of Christ and the charismatic/hypercharismatic church can also be accused of leaving the Word of God..just like the Pharisees left the Word of God by adding to the Word. May the Lord be gracious to us and lead us and help us.
That religious spirit is fueling this. Thank you for addressing this. I was raised in a pastor's home. I raised my children in the same church. I am now attending an apostolic ministry. I am walking in a new light. Our apostle's teaching is the Word. My friends and family think I'm in a cult. 😢
Bless you Wanda, again you bring the perfect example of bringing harmony to the Ekklesia. You are helping the Body of Christ to lose all of our blemishes so we can bring the Prophetic scripture of 1st Corinthians 13 to come to pass. We must become perfect in our maturity... thinking and acting as an adult-minded Bride would be so we become the perfect helpmate for the Lord Jesus as we together remove Satan and take full dominion of the Earth.
Wanda I have watched a couple of people speak against NAR and I believe that a big concern of theirs is the worship songs that come out of some of those churches. I am what I would consider a cautious charismatic as I believe in the gifts of the Spirit and signs and wonders and the use of authority as well as deliverance but I tend to examine the authenticity of such things and ask for wisdom, knowledge and discernment. The worship music I see in many churches concerns me. When a song moves away from God and becomes more about the worshipper I think its not good. I also believe that too many charismatics chase goosebumps and emotional highs too much. I used to be on a worship team and I often said “ lets make sure we worship God and not the worshipping.”
YES! Your discernment is spot on! Agree! Niether aspects are complete whatsoever. I repulse at anything man labeled. All of the best deceptions have elements of truth. Hard pass for both. I remain, and always will, Scriptural.
Yes definitely and also they say we don't need apostles anymore because they were the foundation of the church Jesus used and we don't need anything foundation. They are concerned that these new apostles will try and add to what the Bible says and I agree I would be concerned too
Wanda, I love what you're sharing. It registers with my spirit. Thank you sooo much for this teaching and many others, I keep running into this religious spirit. I recognize it but, needed the scripture you put together so simply. Ty again. Want to get your book as soon as I can. Words to pray by. God bless. Jana from ok.
I am so greatful,Wanda,and i shared your concerns with some of your closest friends. I tatally agree with you that we needs the whole Bible. Several of the conservative organisations here are sceptical to all kind of manifications,and NAR,of course😢I phoned one of the editor to share my thoughts and confront him a litle,and we had a very nice talk 😍👍
Thanks so much Wanda, I love your balanced discussion on this. Especially how you validate the feelings of many who are religiously opposed to their idea of the NAR. There are a lot of people out there who I think are afraid of the idea of people really having authority who have God-inspired knowledge and work supernaturally in gifts given to them by God. It's so far outside of denominational teaching I can so see the distrust and propensity people would have to label it in different ways, and say bad things about it. Your peaceful commentary was so balanced and understanding, thanks for taking this potentially inflammatory subject and handling it with grace and wisdom... Blessings!
Thank you for bringing clarity to this, for I was confused by my daughter’s comments about the gifts not for today and her warning of false prophets….I resonate with your teaching..👍🏼❤️🙏🏼🕊️
Thank you for addressing this. People get so upset about things like this even if they believe in the gifts of the Spirit and the 5-fold ministry. They will still think there's something wrong with NAR churches.
Its a wikipedia bruhhh... when they stop pay attentions on it , globalists vatikan could duplicated and misslead others. Btw i believe and i hear God's prophet. I cant denied that i know nothin for upcomming worldy agenda. Even when i have HolySpirit inside. Religion//denom forces didnt open their heart to bible words towards to God's prophet & current God's prophecy that have been spoken. They limit the bible readings by old wisdom speechs. No body got healing nor knowledge. Im in s u m a t r a island
NKJV Amos 3:6-8 If a trumpet is blown in a city, will not the people be afraid? If there is calamity in a city, will not the Lord have done it? *Surely the Lord God does nothing, Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets. A lion has roared! Who will not fear? The Lord God has spoken! Who can but prophesy? Amplified Bible, Classic Edition Amos 3:6-8 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city and the people not be alarmed and afraid? Shall misfortune or evil occur [as punishment] and the Lord has not caused it? Surely the Lord God will do nothing without revealing His secret to His servants the prophets. The lion has roared; who will not fear? The Lord God has spoken; who can but prophesy?*
My first thoughts are, this is the enemy trying to start misinformation, confusion, and distraction, in this time when God is pulling his children back to him. Just the same tactics used to separate, and divide us into categories so we fight each other instead of come together.
It hasn’t ceased. I’m new to this prophetic gift, seeing Angels and warfare above my house. Seeing real Biblical Angels cover my house. Nobody can deny any of it to me. I see the miracles signs and wonders. I asked for gifts, God gave them. I never asked for them but I always knew I was different. God healed my body, stopped 20 years of having to take pain pills overnight. I never understood the Bible but the Holy Spirit leads me to scripture and I understand it with a deeper meaning. That’s not because of me. It’s because of the Holy Spirit. It all started coming out since 2020. I’ve Lea quickly once I stopped watered down churches and opened up to the spirit fully because I needed to know the truth with all the lies that’s being told in this season.
Thank you Wanda, I had someone confront me on this, in a most inopportune time and I was very troubled ...so your wisdom and grace and understanding of the scripture witnesses with my spirit , thank you again so much!
We, as a body will always need the building of the body and the foresight to grow in unity and be equipped. I.e. the apostle and prophet. Without them, we have a stagnant, blind assembly. Just what the enemy wants, too bad.. he isnt getting his way.
I have found that if we pray, seek Jesus and read the word consistently then we will not be lead astray or be deceived. The Lord still speaks today. He still performs miracles. He also heals and delivers hallelujah
Wonderful teaching. Years ago when I became really serious about my relationship with God I started studying the Bible and I read the Scriptures on the gifts Jesus left for the church. My daddy was called to preach and our family attended the Baptist denomination. I went and ask him why didn't the Baptist teach the word of God according to Scripture. Really, I never was satisfied with his answer because if Jesus gave the five fold ministry and the gifts of the Spirit to the church to edify and build the church, how can we pick and choose and explain away the operation of these gifts in the church. So in time I found my way to a pentecostal church and was amazed of the freedom to worship in spirit and in truth. I invited my dad to a Revival at a pentecostal church and he was amazed at the anointing of God on the service and he said if the baptism of the Holy Ghost is of God he wanted everything that God had for him. He went back to church the next night and he receive this awesome gift. I believe our talk years ago was the beginning of him to truly be committed to the Word and not what his denominations stand on. Years later at the same church a member wanted the church to lay hands on and pray for healing and the deacon told him we don't believe in that here. So glad God moved me on to be fed. Jesus said he will fill those who thirst after righteousness and he has for me and my daddy who passed away many years ago. Thanks again for teaching the full council of God on this subject.
Thank you. I have found your teachings very valuable, insightful and balanced. I believe in the fivefold ministry. I am so excited that God is restoring a holy reverence for His lordship in the body and making Himself know in the earth. It is all His! I want to be counted among the five wise bridesmaids. What a waste to live this live as an unbelieving believer.
I am reminded of a story I heard about DL Moody, back in the day, when his ministry was enjoying a move of God, and he drew quite a bit of criticism from within the church world. He refrained from responding, for quite some time, finally, as his supporters urged him to make some kind of an answer to his critics, he responded thusly-(this is a rough quote)-“ whether or not you believe that this is a move of God is irrelevant. But what I will tell you is, if you do not get out of our way, we will run you over.” Amen!! So let it be!!
Thank you Wanda for this message. It's all that I've personally experienced in churches. The Holy Spirit has been using me in different churches and my experience has been different in different churches but very interesting to see. I just come to the church sit and then the Holy Spirit starts to move. I have massive encounters with the Holy Spirit within these churches. Many are not understanding I think they looking for past moves and this move of God is so different.
Thank you Wanda. Some in our AOG church believe what the NAR believes and some don’t. A lady at our church who has a “platform” because she’s been to seminary is sharing the opposite which saddens me. I hope this does not cause a church split. I personally feel this is why the Holy Spirit is limited to move in our services.
NKJV Amos 3:6-8 If a trumpet is blown in a city, will not the people be afraid? If there is calamity in a city, will not the Lord have done it? Surely the Lord God does nothing, Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets. A lion has roared! Who will not fear? The Lord God has spoken! Who can but prophesy? Amplified Bible, Classic Edition Amos 3:6-8 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city and the people not be alarmed and afraid? Shall misfortune or evil occur [as punishment] and the Lord has not caused it? *Surely the Lord God will do nothing without revealing His secret to His servants the prophets. The lion has roared; who will not fear? The Lord God has spoken; who can but prophesy?*
Amplified Bible, Classic Edition Acts 2:16-21 But [instead] this is [the beginning of] what was spoken through the prophet Joel: And it shall come to pass in the last days, *God declares, that I will pour out of My Spirit upon all mankind, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy [telling forth the divine counsels] and your young men shall see visions (divinely granted appearances), and your old men shall dream [divinely suggested] dreams.* Yes, and on My menservants also and on My maidservants in those days I will pour out of My Spirit, and they shall prophesy [telling forth the divine counsels and predicting future events pertaining especially to God’s kingdom]. And I will show wonders in the sky above and signs on the earth beneath, blood and fire and smoking vapor; The sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the obvious day of the Lord comes-that great and notable and conspicuous and renowned [day]. And it shall be that whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord [invoking, adoring, and worshiping the Lord-Christ] shall be saved.
I was fortunate that I had already learned from the Bible about God's intervention in the affairs of men before I heard the limiting religious teachings. I consider myself a "sober charismatic ". I may not do wild and crazy things, but I will never despise Holy Spirit if He wants to overwhelm someone with His power or love. 🥰
You did a good job here in explaining what the word of God says about this, and some of the shortcomings that are expressed by segments of believers which mishandle the truth easily found in scripture. Yes, it can be taken to far, to suggest that Christians ‘take over’ the country, etc., but the 5 fold ministry and the gifts are for today. Jesus, the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Thanks, Wanda. Very helpful. The spirit of religion is real and harming the body of Christ, especially here in Utah. I love the prophetic and will forge ahead in my belief in the gifts of the Spirit and the need for five-fold ministry. God bless!
For those who are searching, please remember to read the Word with The Author to bring you the full meaning. The Holy Spirit Himself is our teacher. Still too much looking to man. No wonder so much confusion. Help us Father. 🙏🏻🙏🏻✨
I looked up perfect in the concordance. Greek: complete (in various applications of labor, growth, mental and moral character, etc) of full age, man, perfect.
Completely agree. How utterly weak are the arguments claiming cessation of these offices/gifts/manifestations. It is obvious and pittifull that these people decide BEFOREHAND the the bible should say, THEN twist scriptures to "prove" it. That kind of dishonest practice over time does not occur without consequences. The mind builds pathways and the soul becomes corrupted from habitual carnal interpretation of scripture, so what started with one issue spreads to countless other issues where THEY decide what the bible's position should be on a given matter. Habit grows into character.
TY, I appreciate this explanation. For decades, I have believed that the five fold ministry and signs and wonders were Biblical, and that Satan seeks to confuse with corruption and false prophets and teachers. However, I did not know that the NAR was not an organized denomination. That really helps explain so much! Next,I think it would be very helpful to explain the Dominion theology and the seven mountains teaching. I do not see that in the Scriptures!
We need the 5⃣ fold to have a healthy church. The function is different for each one. I'm exciting for what God is doing. We will see BIG CHANGES come back to the church ⛪ 😃 🙌 🙌
I kinda feel bad for those that don't believe in the gifts and stuff....they were given back then and are still needed, especially right now to overcome the enemy and advance the kingdom of God forward..we need the Spirit of the living God and to be obedient to it..we need everything that the Lord has to offer us to make it in this time period we are living in...I totally agree with you Wanda....we need to pray for the body that doesn't believe like we do that their eyes would be opened and their spirit awakened...
Wanda, once again you have taken an important Biblical topic and with Scripture and sound teaching have explained it beautifully. When I began reading the Bible almost 40 years ago I had no teacher but the Holy Spirit. I then joined a denominational church and began going to Bible studies where I received so much push back on topics such as healing, spiritual gifts, and the sovereignty of God. I was dismayed but eventually realized that many believers see the Bible through the lens of their church doctrine rather than what the Word is actually saying. The Holy Spirit taught me that looking at Jesus as I studied the Bible was the only way to rightly divide the Word.
Many years ago religi0nelites on bilbicalsch0larship had been developed somekind misslead duplication of many ministries bodies of CHRIST
Such as 'saved vvithout deliverance' , 'found Jesus on bible script' and else. They replicated that emptiness , prides , antichristian , proreligion anti currenttime prophetic through 'biblescholarship'.
when worldyagenda being spreads out ..those so call ephorus ,pope , lutheranytber , bishop , cheekspeaker , catholicdefender , patter , biblevrow.... easily swallowed each vv0rldyagenda
the only things that make them come to repentance 》 realizing holes of emptiness inside of soul or rejctions or watching the same body of pridespirit frm diffrent religion/sect doin horifying discrimination 😲.
I believe their true fights after having real God's Spirit encounter , God's forgiveness ,deliverance & cast out demon =》 never reliving on etchinal gathering , watching proffesional sports (idolatary), debatesvlog , family cultural.
. I dont want to lose anybody , but being close to body of pridespirit // anti gifts of Spirit (1cor12) , jezeblenetvv0rx , vatikanuts , lutheranytber =》 making ur self far away from CHRIST.
📯🕊🕊♥️🔥🕊🕊😇🎉😊🕊🕊🔥🎼♥️🎼📯🎼
PRAISE God for revival came down to earth since 2😊22 to early 2😇23 , i just praying for religion//denom member and attendats' have their way for repentance and go to where God's revival take place.
Amen
It truly is! Praise God!
Exactly ❤
The religious spirit is what I've been saying is causing all this too. Thank you Wanda for the confirmation and biblical insight.
Wanda, if you get this message and you are not surprised, I am here. I'm not sure what, how, but I am here.
Girl! I thank God for your wisdom and grace to speak life into the body! Love you!
5 fold ministry is what the Bible says!🙏💕
Let's pray for President TRUMP like NEVER BEFORE!!!!!!!!
Waste of time
Wise teaching, Wanda. We cannot put God in a box. I couldn’t agree more that we can remain open for surprise from the Father not use different thought as a reason for division. Be open!
One of the most thorough, excellent teachings I have heard in the past few years. Thank you for your clarity and wisdom and sharing these truths with the church.
Christianity does not come in a cookie cutter shape. 5 fold ministry 5 not 1. Praise you Lord.
Thank you so much for this refreshing presentation! For my part, no one can deny what happened to me some 25 years ago this Easter. I was one who was indoctrinated in the cessation of gifts. But through a children’s weekend camp conference, that I was speaker, God changed all of that. I call it my Damascus road experience. In one weekend I went from literally teaching against it to actively living in and through it. Just goes to show that God has a merciful and marvellous sense of humor and way of furthering His purposes.
Thank you Wanda for this clear explanation of what NAR is and what it is not! I could not agree with you more! Bless you for you addressing this topic!
The Holy Spirit is here for that very reason. Bless you Ms. Wanda!!!
You did a very good job of explaining to those who don't understand. Good Job!
THANK YOU for the knowledge part! I was just in a discussion yesterday and explaining them same exact thing. If you are still in the pursuit of knowledge, then prophesy is NOT done away with either. For that is all prophesy is; the revelation of God being imparted to you, for future knowledge and/or warnings coming. If there is still "knowing", there is still "prophesy". They go hand in hand.
Thank you Wanda Alger for speaking the truth. :)
Thank you Wanda! I have been perplexed over this for a while now. Thank you for explaining like I have never heard as of yet. Holy Spirit when I ask always points me back to what Jesus said and did. I have been healed by Jesus and given direction by Holy Spirit to go to a specific place and the person He showed me and even the color they had on and hair color to give them a word to encourage. It's real!😊
Excellent. Thank you, Wanda.
Biggest miracle still happening- the salvation of a person’s soul!😊 Thank you, Wanda.
Thank you Wanda for sharing this wisdom that is so needed today.
I am 77 years old and accepted Jesus at age 12 even though my childhood was mixed with Lutheran church with added occult.
I was the only child of four that was sent to Christian school where I accepted Jesus. I really grew up and matured as a believer at a Christian church led by a pastor that taught the gifts and the church flowed in the Holy Spirit gifts in a beautiful way that was perfect sort of Lutheran combined with the gifts flowing in a beautiful authentic Biblical way.
Every family member we brought to that church accepted Jesus as Lord God and Savior.
You have successfully answered every question I've ever had....The Lord can take me now...🤗
Hahaha ….Yaaaas ! Me too !
No, you are alive for such a time as this! 😊 Hey I’m no spring chicken, but God is still giving me assignments. If you need a break, take it. But ALL Christians are needed for the last great harvest. Please understand that I mean this in the most loving way possible. ♥️
As always, very sound teaching, Wanda!
I agree with you Wanda 100%. The WORD is so plain.
Good teaching. Thank you..
Well said, thank you for your insight, I appreciate all you share.
Religious spirit, indeed. I've experienced it over and over. But these things are revealed so we can know how to pray.
It need to get out now in Jesus mighty name and be totally burn with divinework of God'Spirit. Those religionspirit actually = pridespirit , jezeblenetvvorx , vatikanuts , antiChristian. When paulawhite calledout b l m excercise as antichristian several fakepreachers showing their face on internet.
I thank God for that 😅🎉😊♥️♥️🕊🔥🔥🔥🕊🕊🙌😊🕊 bcz when pridespirit (leviatan) being exposed believer of God not have to apporach them
Thank you for addressing this issue. There are many of us who grew up in the religious systems you described, and have since accepted the Biblical view of the Spirit’s gifts and five fold ministry. About the NAR in particular, though, I have a different conclusion based on fruit-which should be consistently excellent if a person or group is putting themselves forward as spiritual authorities on a national scale. That’s a pretty high bar.
NKJV
Amos 3:6-8
If a trumpet is blown in a city, will not the people be afraid? If there is calamity in a city, will not the Lord have done it? *Surely the Lord God does nothing, Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets. A lion has roared! Who will not fear? The Lord God has spoken! Who can but prophesy?
Amplified Bible, Classic Edition
Amos 3:6-8
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city and the people not be alarmed and afraid? Shall misfortune or evil occur [as punishment] and the Lord has not caused it? Surely the Lord God will do nothing without revealing His secret to His servants the prophets. The lion has roared; who will not fear? The Lord God has spoken; who can but prophesy?*
True! People who reject spiritual gifts and manifestations are missing out a lot. I pray for them.
I hope this video goes viral. Balanced, true, the right perspective. Thank you Wanda!
Thank-you, Wanda, for bringing such clarity to scripture once again. It has been very helpful.
Thank you Wanda. I do believe the gifts and the miraculous is for today and active...although I am in a charismatic church I have to admit my spirit is grieved for the lack of accountability, lack of the fear of the Lord, lack of reverance and holiness, pride and disregard for the Word of God in some of these churches. We do need a "reset and overhaul" to echo your words. I also believe we should be careful to label concerned brothers and sisters( not talking about the cessationists) with having a religious spirit....we should all evaluate ourselves to see "if we are still in the faith". There are many rampant and "out there" teachings in the Body of Christ and the charismatic/hypercharismatic church can also be accused of leaving the Word of God..just like the Pharisees left the Word of God by adding to the Word. May the Lord be gracious to us and lead us and help us.
Thank you for covering this.
That religious spirit is fueling this. Thank you for addressing this. I was raised in a pastor's home. I raised my children in the same church. I am now attending an apostolic ministry. I am walking in a new light. Our apostle's teaching is the Word. My friends and family think I'm in a cult. 😢
Count me in. I believe that way. I didn't know it was a label.
God blessed you ❤
Well said, thank you!
Thank you so much
Thank you for this very needed and practical exhortation, Wanda. I agree with you and will share this information with others. Blessings and love! 🌹
Bless you Wanda, again you bring the perfect example of bringing harmony to the Ekklesia. You are helping the Body of Christ to lose all of our blemishes so we can bring the Prophetic scripture of 1st Corinthians 13 to come to pass. We must become perfect in our maturity... thinking and acting as an adult-minded Bride would be so we become the perfect helpmate for the Lord Jesus as we together remove Satan and take full dominion of the Earth.
Wanda I have watched a couple of people speak against NAR and I believe that a big concern of theirs is the worship songs that come out of some of those churches. I am what I would consider a cautious charismatic as I believe in the gifts of the Spirit and signs and wonders and the use of authority as well as deliverance but I tend to examine the authenticity of such things and ask for wisdom, knowledge and discernment. The worship music I see in many churches concerns me. When a song moves away from God and becomes more about the worshipper I think its not good. I also believe that too many charismatics chase goosebumps and emotional highs too much. I used to be on a worship team and I often said “ lets make sure we worship God and not the worshipping.”
YES! Your discernment is spot on! Agree! Niether aspects are complete whatsoever. I repulse at anything man labeled. All of the best deceptions have elements of truth. Hard pass for both. I remain, and always will, Scriptural.
Yes definitely and also they say we don't need apostles anymore because they were the foundation of the church Jesus used and we don't need anything foundation. They are concerned that these new apostles will try and add to what the Bible says and I agree I would be concerned too
Yesss
This is good Wanda !
Wonderful Wanda.....😂You are Bang On The Money 😊
Wanda, I love what you're sharing. It registers with my spirit. Thank you sooo much for this teaching and many others, I keep running into this religious spirit. I recognize it but, needed the scripture you put together so simply. Ty again. Want to get your book as soon as I can. Words to pray by. God bless. Jana from ok.
I am so greatful,Wanda,and i shared your concerns with some of your closest friends. I tatally agree with you that we needs the whole Bible. Several of the conservative organisations here are sceptical to all kind of manifications,and NAR,of course😢I phoned one of the editor to share my thoughts and confront him a litle,and we had a very nice talk 😍👍
Yes!
Thanks so much Wanda, I love your balanced discussion on this. Especially how you validate the feelings of many who are religiously opposed to their idea of the NAR. There are a lot of people out there who I think are afraid of the idea of people really having authority who have God-inspired knowledge and work supernaturally in gifts given to them by God. It's so far outside of denominational teaching I can so see the distrust and propensity people would have to label it in different ways, and say bad things about it. Your peaceful commentary was so balanced and understanding, thanks for taking this potentially inflammatory subject and handling it with grace and wisdom... Blessings!
Well said, amen ✝️🕊🙏🏼
Wanda. Thank you for this teaching. It is excellent and clears up many questions that I had. God bless you.😊
Thank you for bringing clarity to this, for I was confused by my daughter’s comments about the gifts not for today and her warning of false prophets….I resonate with your teaching..👍🏼❤️🙏🏼🕊️
Very well said. I agree 100 percent. God Bless. This needed to be said
Good word.
I believe we can attest to the miracles of God, without drifting into error.
Thank you for addressing this. People get so upset about things like this even if they believe in the gifts of the Spirit and the 5-fold ministry. They will still think there's something wrong with NAR churches.
Its a wikipedia bruhhh... when they stop pay attentions on it , globalists vatikan could duplicated and misslead others. Btw i believe and i hear God's prophet. I cant denied that i know nothin for upcomming worldy agenda. Even when i have HolySpirit inside. Religion//denom forces didnt open their heart to bible words towards to God's prophet & current God's prophecy that have been spoken. They limit the bible readings by old wisdom speechs. No body got healing nor knowledge. Im in s u m a t r a island
NKJV
Amos 3:6-8
If a trumpet is blown in a city, will not the people be afraid? If there is calamity in a city, will not the Lord have done it? *Surely the Lord God does nothing, Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets. A lion has roared! Who will not fear? The Lord God has spoken! Who can but prophesy?
Amplified Bible, Classic Edition
Amos 3:6-8
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city and the people not be alarmed and afraid? Shall misfortune or evil occur [as punishment] and the Lord has not caused it? Surely the Lord God will do nothing without revealing His secret to His servants the prophets. The lion has roared; who will not fear? The Lord God has spoken; who can but prophesy?*
🎯❤️🙌 as always!! You are a greatly valued Gift to us all Wanda!!! Thank you !!
Good word, Wanda. Standing with you on this.
Thanks for speaking about this topic 👍
Thank you Wanda! You explain this topic so well!!
I totally 100% agree Wanda!
My first thoughts are, this is the enemy trying to start misinformation, confusion, and distraction, in this time when God is pulling his children back to him. Just the same tactics used to separate, and divide us into categories so we fight each other instead of come together.
It hasn’t ceased. I’m new to this prophetic gift, seeing Angels and warfare above my house. Seeing real Biblical Angels cover my house. Nobody can deny any of it to me. I see the miracles signs and wonders. I asked for gifts, God gave them. I never asked for them but I always knew I was different. God healed my body, stopped 20 years of having to take pain pills overnight. I never understood the Bible but the Holy Spirit leads me to scripture and I understand it with a deeper meaning. That’s not because of me. It’s because of the Holy Spirit. It all started coming out since 2020. I’ve Lea quickly once I stopped watered down churches and opened up to the spirit fully because I needed to know the truth with all the lies that’s being told in this season.
Amen, Wanda!Thank you Jesus for your Holy Spirit
National Apostolic Reformation! I never heard of that! Thank you for talking about this.
Thank you Wanda, I had someone confront me on this, in a most inopportune time and I was very troubled ...so your wisdom and grace and understanding of the scripture witnesses with my spirit , thank you again so much!
We, as a body will always need the building of the body and the foresight to grow in unity and be equipped. I.e. the apostle and prophet. Without them, we have a stagnant, blind assembly. Just what the enemy wants, too bad.. he isnt getting his way.
I have found that if we pray, seek Jesus and read the word consistently then we will not be lead astray or be deceived. The Lord still speaks today. He still performs miracles. He also heals and delivers hallelujah
Wonderful teaching. Years ago when I became really serious about my relationship with God I started studying the Bible and I read the Scriptures on the gifts Jesus left for the church. My daddy was called to preach and our family attended the Baptist denomination. I went and ask him why didn't the Baptist teach the word of God according to Scripture. Really, I never was satisfied with his answer because if Jesus gave the five fold ministry and the gifts of the Spirit to the church to edify and build the church, how can we pick and choose and explain away the operation of these gifts in the church. So in time I found my way to a pentecostal church and was amazed of the freedom to worship in spirit and in truth. I invited my dad to a Revival at a pentecostal church and he was amazed at the anointing of God on the service and he said if the baptism of the Holy Ghost is of God he wanted everything that God had for him. He went back to church the next night and he receive this awesome gift. I believe our talk years ago was the beginning of him to truly be committed to the Word and not what his denominations stand on. Years later at the same church a member wanted the church to lay hands on and pray for healing and the deacon told him we don't believe in that here. So glad God moved me on to be fed. Jesus said he will fill those who thirst after righteousness and he has for me and my daddy who passed away many years ago. Thanks again for teaching the full council of God on this subject.
Thank you Wanda. This is very helpful.
Thank you for your explanation of "NAR" - very helpful.
Excellent teaching, Wanda
That was really really good❤
Sounds good to me!!!
Great teaching Wanda! Spot on!
Off the subject but I love your new haircut!
Very helpful message.
Very well explained and taught, Wanda. Thank you.❤
Perfect thank you again Wanda for your wonderful biblical clarity!!
Thank you Wanda. This was very well explained. Much needed video.
Amen!!! Fantastic and Truthfully insightful post!!! 💥💯
All your points new well made
Great message and explanation, as always. Bless you.
Thank you. I have found your teachings very valuable, insightful and balanced. I believe in the fivefold ministry. I am so excited that God is restoring a holy reverence for His lordship in the body and making Himself know in the earth. It is all His! I want to be counted among the five wise bridesmaids. What a waste to live this live as an unbelieving believer.
Great biblical perspective!
I am reminded of a story I heard about DL Moody, back in the day, when his ministry was enjoying a move of God, and he drew quite a bit of criticism from within the church world. He refrained from responding, for quite some time, finally, as his supporters urged him to make some kind of an answer to his critics, he responded thusly-(this is a rough quote)-“ whether or not you believe that this is a move of God is irrelevant. But what I will tell you is, if you do not get out of our way, we will run you over.”
Amen!! So let it be!!
This was really good.....and helpful. Thank you!
Thank you Wanda for this message. It's all that I've personally experienced in churches. The Holy Spirit has been using me in different churches and my experience has been different in different churches but very interesting to see. I just come to the church sit and then the Holy Spirit starts to move. I have massive encounters with the Holy Spirit within these churches. Many are not understanding I think they looking for past moves and this move of God is so different.
Thank you Wanda. Some in our AOG church believe what the NAR believes and some don’t. A lady at our church who has a “platform” because she’s been to seminary is sharing the opposite which saddens me. I hope this does not cause a church split. I personally feel this is why the Holy Spirit is limited to move in our services.
NKJV
Amos 3:6-8
If a trumpet is blown in a city, will not the people be afraid? If there is calamity in a city, will not the Lord have done it? Surely the Lord God does nothing, Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets. A lion has roared! Who will not fear? The Lord God has spoken! Who can but prophesy?
Amplified Bible, Classic Edition
Amos 3:6-8
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city and the people not be alarmed and afraid? Shall misfortune or evil occur [as punishment] and the Lord has not caused it? *Surely the Lord God will do nothing without revealing His secret to His servants the prophets. The lion has roared; who will not fear? The Lord God has spoken; who can but prophesy?*
Amplified Bible, Classic Edition Acts 2:16-21 But [instead] this is [the beginning of] what was spoken through the prophet Joel: And it shall come to pass in the last days, *God declares, that I will pour out of My Spirit upon all mankind, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy [telling forth the divine counsels] and your young men shall see visions (divinely granted appearances), and your old men shall dream [divinely suggested] dreams.* Yes, and on My menservants also and on My maidservants in those days I will pour out of My Spirit, and they shall prophesy [telling forth the divine counsels and predicting future events pertaining especially to God’s kingdom]. And I will show wonders in the sky above and signs on the earth beneath, blood and fire and smoking vapor; The sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the obvious day of the Lord comes-that great and notable and conspicuous and renowned [day]. And it shall be that whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord [invoking, adoring, and worshiping the Lord-Christ] shall be saved.
Amen
This is so beautiful! The empire of Religious spirit is collapsing!
I was fortunate that I had already learned from the Bible about God's intervention in the affairs of men before I heard the limiting religious teachings. I consider myself a "sober charismatic ". I may not do wild and crazy things, but I will never despise Holy Spirit if He wants to overwhelm someone with His power or love. 🥰
I like what Kim Clement said, "God gives a word, not a paragraph."
You did a good job here in explaining what the word of God says about this, and some of the shortcomings that are expressed by segments of believers which mishandle the truth easily found in scripture. Yes, it can be taken to far, to suggest that Christians ‘take over’ the country, etc., but the 5 fold ministry and the gifts are for today. Jesus, the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Thanks, Wanda. Very helpful. The spirit of religion is real and harming the body of Christ, especially here in Utah. I love the prophetic and will forge ahead in my belief in the gifts of the Spirit and the need for five-fold ministry. God bless!
Totally agree.
For those who are searching, please remember to read the Word with The Author to bring you the full meaning. The Holy Spirit Himself is our teacher. Still too much looking to man. No wonder so much confusion. Help us Father. 🙏🏻🙏🏻✨
I looked up perfect in the concordance. Greek: complete (in various applications of labor, growth, mental and moral character, etc) of full age, man, perfect.
Completely agree. How utterly weak are the arguments claiming cessation of these offices/gifts/manifestations. It is obvious and pittifull that these people decide BEFOREHAND the the bible should say, THEN twist scriptures to "prove" it. That kind of dishonest practice over time does not occur without consequences. The mind builds pathways and the soul becomes corrupted from habitual carnal interpretation of scripture, so what started with one issue spreads to countless other issues where THEY decide what the bible's position should be on a given matter. Habit grows into character.
TY, I appreciate this explanation. For decades, I have believed that the five fold ministry and signs and wonders were Biblical, and that Satan seeks to confuse with corruption and false prophets and teachers.
However, I did not know that the NAR was not an organized denomination. That really helps explain so much!
Next,I think it would be very helpful to explain the Dominion theology and the seven mountains teaching. I do not see that in the Scriptures!
Katherine Coolman is prime example of the use of the 5fold gifts.
We need the 5⃣ fold to have a healthy church. The function is different for each one. I'm exciting for what God is doing. We will see BIG CHANGES come back to the church ⛪ 😃 🙌 🙌
I kinda feel bad for those that don't believe in the gifts and stuff....they were given back then and are still needed, especially right now to overcome the enemy and advance the kingdom of God forward..we need the Spirit of the living God and to be obedient to it..we need everything that the Lord has to offer us to make it in this time period we are living in...I totally agree with you Wanda....we need to pray for the body that doesn't believe like we do that their eyes would be opened and their spirit awakened...