Your first mistake was taking it to the dealer. Use a highly rated independent shop. Things like air filters and even oil changes are easy enough to do yourself.
Yup! I had 3 quotes from 2 shops and one dealership to do my timing belt and water pump on a 2010 Honda Pilot and the dealer wanted $2400 other shop wanted $1800 and the shop I went to wanted $1300 but charged me closer to$1100 when done. Best to have emailed quotes and compare. I already knew the guys who did the job had a good reputation so it was better than going with the dealer who I later found out didn't even know how to properly check my transmission fluid,so then I showed them the car manuel how to do it 😂 never taking to dealer again.
Just whatever you do don't take it to the dealer they will charge you twice if not more then what it would cost to take it to an independent service shop.
I know not everyone can, but this is why I do my own maintenance. Over the years, I’ve saved huge bucks from dealers. I research what needs to be done, buy the tools I need and take it at my own pace. You Tube University is a great resource. 95% of these tasks can be done easily at home. The other 5% requires a bit more, research… but again, not rocket science changing belts and tensioners. Dealerships don’t make their money off selling cars, it’s the maintenance. At least in the end, you know the work was done and done right. Not all dealers do everything they charge for.
So true. Also, if you do it yourself you know it is getting done right. I've saved at least 5k maintaining and repairing my own car. My 2006 Matrix just passed 220k miles and runs perfect. I still use an independent mechanic for certain tricky jobs that require a lift.
Most people on the forums only paid $1400-$1800 for this exact service. I would’ve shopped around to different Honda Dealers. It’s definitely not supposed to be that expensive.
@@toniviudez6371 OEM Iridium plugs are super expensive... it's the labor charge that is obscene. I think the list price is $55 each. Cheaper stuff from Amazon or eBay are likely fake.
The spark plug replacement on these Hondas is so easy! There is a football field of room between the motor and firewall. This is such an easy motor to work on.
@@michaelwright1602 - I disagree - The back 3 plugs you have to completed 'blind' (you cannot see what you are doing) unless you are laying on the engine for the pilots that are 2016 - 2022
@@samiam4202 Incredibly easy on mine, remove the plastic cover, reach your hand back, find the 3 10mm nuts, remove, pop the coils, and remove the plugs. I don't have to see what I can feel. Plenty of room too. I can have all three rear bank plugs out in around 10 minutes tops, probably quicker. Just a 59 yo shade tree mechanic. This is a 30 minute job tops in a shop, especially with the proper tools, which any decent mechanic should already own.
I am not mechanically inclined but changed my spark plugs in about two hours for a cost of a little over $100. I know someone with better skills can change them out in under an hour. $300 for labor seems excessive.
Many of those things can be done by yourself: oil and filter change,ATF differential change, spark plugs, air filters, brake fluids, coolant flush, serpentine belt . Maybe the most time consuming would be the time belt and water pump. I started doing it myself and with money I save I buy more tools. Dealerships = stealerships
by the time you get to 100,000 miles your truck should be well paid off just put back a couple of months of extra car payment and you'll be good when you hit that mark
I hate that I had to scroll so far for this comment. If you're saving ~$500/month for ~3-4 years, I'd spend $3,000 to basically have a completely refreshed Honda, knowing you're good for another 100,000 miles with routine maintenance.
You were definitely ripped off BUT, with the exception of the timing belt, water pump and tensioner, you could have done all of that work yourself for a whole lot less. The typical timing belt, tensioner, and water pump change, which is definitely a must at 100,000 miles, is usually around $1200. The fact that they gave you $500 off so quickly is also another indication that they ripped you off
They’re called STEALERships not, Dealerships. Look ppl, there are ppl who have no access to good mechanics or access to any mechanics at all. There are ppl who feel safe and worry free bringing their vehicles there, it’s ok, it’s their money. Plus some ppl are just simply not mechanically inclined.
Some of these 'said people' don't even try to look for an option less expensive. I can afford the dealership costs, but I will still use my independent mechanic for my 100k services because I don't like to waste money. My 2019 Ridgeline only has 60k miles so it will be a while before I need these services.
You should take that list of services exactly the way Honda listed it and get an independent (not a chain) Honda repair shop to price it out for you. I think you will be shocked at the difference in cost even when somebody else does the exact same work.
This is a video that I really, really, really wished that someone put out prior to me taking my vehicle in. So here it is! This is the cost and why. Enjoy!!!
Lookup cost of good ser of auto ramps, drive right on & your ready for oil change, 17mm socket, 5 qt jug of Costco Kirkland 0W-20 oil $31-39, Fram Ultra or WIX XP filter Amazon $10, oil catch pan $15 Amazon/Walmart, couple crush washers $2 Amazon/Walmart UA-cam video 10 minutes You can change your oil every 4.5-6.5k rest if your life! And job is often done better as you can keep tabs on other fluids, noises etc
Thats why you never go to the dealer. I had my pads rotors front control arms and links oil change for 400 parts and 400 labor on c class Mercedes. You were charged 165 for belt! Crazy Car is not the problem. Letting the dealer do the work is
$1,140 for Timing belt job in 2023 is high but not a rip off. I did it myself and I paid over $200 for Aisin timing belt kits in 2015, it took me 6 hours
My neighbor took her HR-V in for a simple oil change and it costs her $360. They did the oil change and added the following. Cabin air filter, engine air filter and rotate the tires.
That sounds insane! I get that same service done on my Civic (different vehicle, but same manufacturer) and pay $125 for it. I also take mine to the dealership, still financing & under warranty.
yep, @200k you do the same thing : spark plug, trimming belt, water pump, radiator drain/fill, air filter, cabin air filter, tire rotation. break service if needed. oil change/filter and perhaps ATF service. went thru this on a 2007 odyssey, I skipped the water pump. by rolling the dice. but so far is been ok. may not change belt again. or water pump, as we may get rid of the van before it hits 300k . I already disabled the VCM system it was causing problems on the odyssey. if you do not change the timing belt and it breaks. it will destroy the engine most times. as the honda engines are interference engines. Honda did update the design of the 4 cylinder engines to remove the trimming belt and go back to a chain. also most Toyotas use a timing chain and were non-interference engines.
I did not see the transmission fluid change (and filter?), brake fluid change, rear and front differential fluids (not sure if it has both). All services were due but yeah prices were high.
That's quite the gouging they did on you. I replaced my spark plugs myself a few months ago and they plugs cost $100. That's for the NGK Iridium that a dealer would install. You also were seriously overcharged on the tensioner, water pump, serpentine belt, and a couple other items. I don't go to a dealer any more as they charge exorbitant labor rates and really mark up the parts. Most items i can do myself and it saves thousands of dollars - way more then needed to buy three few tools you might need. But don't skimp on the servicing. Change your engine oil frequently. Change your transmission oil every couple of years or 30K miles. Transfer case (if you have it) and rear differential fluids every three years or around 40K miles. Spark plugs every 100K if you don't have VCM, otherwise check then every year or two as VCM can foul up those in the VCM cylinders. Timing belt every 100K miles or 7 years. Water pumps can last a long time, but if you're in there getting the belt done might was well change it. And service the brakes every six months if you're in the rust belt, otherwise every year if not.
$180 for an oil change? Jeez. The 10min speed oil change spots charge around 98-108$ and when you do it yourself it only costs 48-55$ if you have the basic tools and jack stands. As for the engine air filter and cabin air filter, you don't even need tools lol just your hands. Anyways, thats good that you're maintaining your car at certain intervals. Most people just do basic oil changes and forget everything else and wait til the last second when everything starts to break down. Then when theyre around the 200k to 240k mileage mark, they're looking at a $5000 to $6500+ bill to get everything fixed all at once. Personally, I would have told them that I needed some time to think about it as far as picking which items I wanted done. Pick the ones that you really want to get done like the major stuff and go to an independent mechanic to get it done for you much cheaper. Ask the mechanic to use OEM factory parts if possible. That $3000 bill you got could be significantly cheaper if you take certain unnecessary items out (or do it yourself) and get the major ones done somewhere else.
You don't even need jack stands, head up to AutoZone and get a pair of RinoRamps, around $50, drive the front of the vehicle up the ramps, change your oil, drive off ramps, top off. You will need a 17mm wrench or socket, oil filter cap wrench, around $5, and a new drain plug crush washer. Takes me around 20 minutes all in to change the oil on our Accord and or Pilot.
Great Video If you ever come across a HRV 2020 about 100k miles please post for us the cost what are needed,im 49 will be 50 soon i do my own maintenance like all liquids change do some spark plugs filters and clean throttle body egr pcv every year go to rusfproff i started it when i bought the car brand new. i save some money for tools that will be easy for hondas to use did brake rotors and pads, but on inside engine that im not qualified because i dont have garage i do it on roads so bringing the jack floor on a 3ed floor is not easy for now i can still do it but not sure when i hit certain ages. but for now my car is at 57k miles will still be abit more years to see 100k just one to know what are the others big maintenance i will encounter when it comes to engines or any other parts that will fail that will cost me so much around that prize you mentions. please if anyone know post some i check alot of you tube videos mostly hondas never tried toyota yet i think there also easy to do maintenance .if anyone have ideas they can add send me replay.
I am 77 years old and been doing my own maintenance on my vehicle since I was 16. But now I am tired of crawling underneath cars and changing the oil and trying to get that last spark plug back in the number eight cylinder on a Ford F150. I just bought a Honda Ridgeline and the dealer I bought from actually gives you a 200,000 mile warranty and 20 years. So when it finally gets to 100,000 I’m just gonna pay the $3000 if I’m still around.
You also have to look at your income, of course. I dont make much, so a couple days working on the pilot is gonna be a HUGE savings for me. Cant afford to take it to an independent shop either.
I have a 2015 odyssey with 140k. I did myself the spark plugs and transmission fluid drain and fill. That was not difficult. I paid $1600 for a local mechanic to do the timing belt and water pump and the serpentine belt and alternator and tensioner pulley. I will run that another 150k
Most if not all can be done by the owner, the only one that I will let dealer do is timing belt (don't have the time or a 2nd car to drive to dealer to buy parts that break during maintenance). Each dealership also charge a little different for the service, parts and labor.
Wow! You got taken to the cleaners as they say. So over $60 for each spark plug and $380 to change spark plugs. And $36 just to change the engine air filter which anyone can do in under 1 minute in addition to $34 for the filter. That is comical. The most complicated part is changing the water pump/timing belt and tensioner. I'm surprised they did not find issues with your suspension (shocks, struts, control arms, tie rods, etc.) as that is another way to gouge you even further. I plan on doing the 100K service plus other items not mentioned (serpentine belt, thermostat) myself so should cost me under $500 in parts.
I had a timing belt supposedly break at 150k miles in a honda civic after i got it replaced by an independent shop at 100k miles. Either they never actually did it, used a poor quality aftermarket part, or i got really unlucky. But im done with timing belts, never again will i buy a vehicle that has one
I hope you didn't get that service from that dealership. Some of those costs are very overpriced. $188 for oil change and tire rotation? $350 for sparkplug labor? $35 to change engine air filter? (That's prob a 5min job at most). I can't speak for the other repairs. You may want to call around other dealerships to get an estimate... and look online for coupons before going anywhere. Pick the lowest cost dealership and bring in any coupons for discounts. Most dealerships will accept other dealer coupons. One other option is Costco autobuying has a network of dealerships (one each brand) which offers -15% off pretty much any repairs or maintenance (not basic oil change thou).
Thank you for the insight into that maintenance. I have a 2019 Honda Ridgeline. It’s my first Honda. I thought that Honda vehicles would run over 200k miles without major maintenance. Is all of this necessary? By the way, I changed the engine air filter myself for just the cost of the filter, around $20. 46k mileage at the moment.
I'm sure the spark plugs, oil change, valve adjustments are necessary. Not sure about the water pump. Air filter and tire rotation is simple, you can do that yourself. Since I use the truck for work, I need it in tip top condition which is why I choose to have it serviced at the dealer.
Every car needs maintenance. You can go well over 200K without major problems, but that’s only if you do maintenance. However it seems that the dealer charged nearly double for what my dealers have charged. You can assumably get this service done for less
I did my timing belt at 104k miles. While inspecting the timing belt it could have gone another 50k miles or so but since it is the timing belt we are talking about here, I would still recommend replacing timing belt, water pump and spark plugs at 105k. As for Valve adjustment, that is not needed unless the valves are ticking. It's just another way of the stealership running away with your hard earned money.
@@seewhyem that is definitely NOT true. You should always get your valves adjusted. The ticking noise indicates the valves are loose. But it is very common for Honda valves to tighten as well. That does not make a ticking noise. That’ll burn up the engine up. Valve adjustments will rectify too loose or too tight of valves
I would say the engine air filter and cabin air filter anyone can do them selves as no tools are required. Just youtube it can save some cash. Not everyone will need a new water pump those are inspected and replaced if needed. If you have some tools then some of that stuff is doable. The valve adjustment and timing belt I would rather pay someone to that lol .
Thanks for the comment, I wish I had known what the 100K maintenance consisted of prior to going to the dealer. Well, now we all know! I hope you found this video helpful. ✌️
Wow! Is it AWD or 2wd? What year is your vehicle and where did you get it serviced? The labor for mine was over $2K and they had it for 2 whole days. Are you sure they did everything?
@@WasabiGato I’m sure they did everything required. I don’t think dealerships will skimp on services they can charge. It’s 2wd 2010 Odyssey. It was done at Phil Hughes Honda in Athens, GA
I have a 23 Ridgeline .. are these 9 speed transmissions reliable ? I worry about no the engines lasting but these transmissions !! My 04 Acura MDX transmissions was much smoother than the 9 speed .. and did last till around 250k miles which was good....but I wonder about the 23 models that appear to upshift , downshift , lag etc while driving.
My 9-speed transmission on my 2021 RL had to be completely replaced at 55,000 miles (under warranty). Word is that the speed on older RL's was more reliable.
I think you should invest in a few inexpensive hand tools and do this work yourself. I own a 2013 Pilot, and it has to be one of the easiest vehicles I have ever owned to work on. There are few if any surprises, you could buy all of the tools needed to do most of this work for less than $150. The valve adjustment, is not that difficult, even the timing belt is not that difficult. And those are items you would maybe only do once, as most folks do not keep their vehicles that long.
Of course, at 100k I would't take it to a dealer. Find a good independent mechanic. BUT, for those saying do spark plugs, do diff fluid, do oil change DIY...it all depends on your level of comfort, knowledge and time. If you make good money, spending $3k may not take you that long to recoup. But for most of us, $3k could take weeks to recoup...and in that case you should at least try to do some of these simpler things yourself. Most fluid changes are pretty easy and can be done in a weekend afternoon. Coolant can get tricky as you need to bleed air from the system. But oil, diff and transfer case is really easy if you have the right tools.
Im at 185K on my 2017 ridgeline hahaha TLDR; like the others the local shop whill probably cost half the amount and some of the items can be done easily. After 100k at around 150K miles be prepared to spend $$$ on aging suspension, no dealer route was around $4.3K in 2 years, about 180$ month 3.1K ooo that's steep, as with the others my 100k serivce was about 1.2K for the tune up ( plugs,belts, valve lash adjustments,water pump, tensioners, gaskets and seals, + labor) at my local car wizard. The fluids are topped off by them. The other maintenance, 5k miles oil + oil filter ~ 65$ but they wave it, cabin + engine filter 20$ the amazon special and i do it myself. DW1 ATF + inline filter, lubeguard red, transfer case, and diff is about 500$ every 30k Brakes about $1K; rears rotors and pads plus fluid was 800$ + ~200$ for front pads and turning the front rotors( the fronts are under sized and are thin, dont turn them just replaced with with good aftermarket). ~ about $2.7K if i included the service with replacing/turning brakes/ rotor ( brake stuff was actually 2 years after) I hate to break it to you but after 100k bushings and suspension starts to wear out and generally by 150k it replacing time all from about 160k to 180K is the most i have spent in a year However, toward since the pandemic some parts are backordered to the end of time. Rack and pinon - 1.8k for parts + labor, i sourced it from another honda for 600$; dealer would charge 2.8k for the just the part Struts all 4, at the dealer thry arent pre assembled and the dealer wanted 400$ per strut! F THAT NOISE I ordered new OEM dust boots, dampers, and strut mount, bushings, and washers for around 450$ and had my carwizard replace the damper for 4 total 800$ parts + labor and alignment 100$ and new sway bar endlinks and sway bar bushings for 100$; so at 160K $2.8K for suspension and steering rack Then at 180K passanger CV Axles and lower control. 450$ to replace passanger OEM CV axle! Axle seal + labor, the dealer was backordered and wanted 400$ prepay no ship date ! My Carwizard sourced and OEM from Worldpac ( i got lucky). 900$ front lower controls arms + labor, the bushings were torn, again dealer was out backorder ( yes i checked multiple) they wanted ~350$ per control arm. Again wizard did magic and i got lucky with 2 OEM from Texas and seattle box and all $500 for 2x arms and $400 for labor + 100$ alignment; so just about 1.5K for end of 2023 🙃 The dealer would have probably increase the cost by 50% for parts and labor
@WasabiGato hahaha you're welcome fellow Ridgeliner! Gonna stick my 17 Ridgy with it until it falls apart! Maybe I'll even get a new engine from honda bahahaha
Theres a sucker born every minute...ive bought numerous hondas in my life and i can tell you that most of that is a waste of time. Just change your oil. Youll be fine.
Geez that was excessively over priced the major service on my porsche at the dealer wasnt even that much 😂 our honda dealer in atlanta has been very reasonable and pretty competitive even against independent garages
Same my dealer charges about $69 for my 2018 honda pilot and they also do coupons I just had on for tire rotation and oil change for $80 dollars and I’m going back for my transfer case and differential fluid change that adds up to $220 but I have a coupon for $100 dollars off.
And never forget to always have that small pinheaded extra camera fitted where only you know it is. These oem service centers can be extremely dishonest.
Spark plugs and coil packs are two different things. The coil packs mount directly onto the spark plugs, replacing the old school design of an ignition coil, spark plug wires and distributor .
Some of the maintenance you had done wasnt necessary. I dont see why they replaced the water pump. Was something wrong with it? Also, at the very least you could have changed the air filters yourself and saved around a $100. Also, Spark plugs are super easy to change on newer Honda's, its a 15 minute job. Save another $300 on labor and up-charged parts. Just watch a few UA-cam videos, its not difficult at all and you dont need to go underneath the car. Also, the dealership upcharges all parts for their cars they service. If you go to their parts department and try to buy the same exact parts yourself to take home, you'll see everything is way cheaper than what the service department is charging for parts for their mechanics to put into your car. Overcharging people every day of the week
Because there is so much labor involved in removing the timing cover to replace the timing belt, it's stupid to Not change out the water pump while it's exposed. You also change out the timing belt tensioner and pulley because those usually fail before any of the other parts.
🤣😂Hahaha are you crazy or what lol never use dealerships prices sky high for anything only if you buy a new car or almost new for a good price and then repairs only at local mechanics
Next time only go when stuff ain't feeling right. Half that stuff could of been done with UA-cam.. cabin filter in right in the glove box. You don't even need tools. Air filter is usually one tool and 4 bolts and you just swap. I did my spark plugs and UA-cam told me how. Saved me big money. That's like a 30min job they charged you 3 hours.. Jesus.. scammed.. oil change is easy too easy 20 bucks for oil and 7 for filter.. learn how to do the easy stuff yourself and save money.
Dude my 100,000 maintenance was only $1400 or so for a compete timing belt change. Did you ever get your truck checked? Did you ever get an oil change while doing 100,000 miles? Show proof cause think your lying
That's a lot of money Honda rip people off I had a 2005 Honda Element set with 2,500 for service how to say why so much oh we got to change the timing belt I told a guy in the counter I have a timing chain I walked away change my own oil the rear end four-wheel drive model transmission fluid it doesn't have a filter Honda parts
370.00 for spark plugs. 300% over priced. I think that price 66.75, was per box of 4... No way per plug... Timing Kit.... Tensioner was about 400% over-priced. Water pump was 300% over-priced... I would say, labor was about double what it should have been.... So they probably took off some of the parts price... Labor stayed the same..
This is exactly why I trade up every 4-5 years, before I even need the timing belt replaced. I’d rather have that $500. payment than a $5000. repair, $3000 maintenance tab, or on the side of the road. I went from a 2014, to a 2019, to a 2023 Ridgey.
Rubbish ! I have a 2011 Honda Accord euro luxury and I do all my own maintenance. Oil changes,air filters,cabin filters,battery replacement,starter motor replacement,spark plugs,alternator,coils,gearbox oil change,struts,bushings. If you have the right tools and knowledge you can do all your own servicing.
NO...WAY... Look, the dealer ROBBED you. Even with that measly discount,t they robbed you. Just focusing on the least expensive item, the engine air filter. They charged $35 for the filter and $35 for the labor. The filter is actually $15-20 just about anywhere else. Replacing the filter is a 2 minute job. Seriously....2 minutes. Not to mention the ton of replacements that aren't necessary. They replaced the water pump?! Why?! Yes water pumps go bad, but they don't fail a wildly higher rate than similar parts. Dealer suck. Do not buy in the hype that they know your car best and will do the best job. Find a good local mechanic and you would have gotten all of this down for half price. Even less taking out the stuff that was unnecessary.
Your first mistake was taking it to the dealer. Use a highly rated independent shop. Things like air filters and even oil changes are easy enough to do yourself.
First post best post. Only the uninformed owner takes their vehicle to the dealer.
$70+ for air filter change is robbery.
Yup! I had 3 quotes from 2 shops and one dealership to do my timing belt and water pump on a 2010 Honda Pilot and the dealer wanted $2400 other shop wanted $1800 and the shop I went to wanted $1300 but charged me closer to$1100 when done. Best to have emailed quotes and compare. I already knew the guys who did the job had a good reputation so it was better than going with the dealer who I later found out didn't even know how to properly check my transmission fluid,so then I showed them the car manuel how to do it 😂 never taking to dealer again.
Agree. Never take to dealer. There are a zillion posts of the durability of Ridgelines.
When my Ridgeline needs a timing belt service, I will take it in. For the rest I will do it myself.
Just whatever you do don't take it to the dealer they will charge you twice if not more then what it would cost to take it to an independent service shop.
36 bucks for labor to change air filter is insane lol
I know, it is right there! You will need an 8mm socket, or a JIS/Philips screwdriver to remove the lid, but most folks already own a socket set.
Yeah, a technician should be able to change it out in what, about 1-2 minutes, tops?
I know not everyone can, but this is why I do my own maintenance. Over the years, I’ve saved huge bucks from dealers. I research what needs to be done, buy the tools I need and take it at my own pace. You Tube University is a great resource. 95% of these tasks can be done easily at home. The other 5% requires a bit more, research… but again, not rocket science changing belts and tensioners. Dealerships don’t make their money off selling cars, it’s the maintenance. At least in the end, you know the work was done and done right. Not all dealers do everything they charge for.
So true. Also, if you do it yourself you know it is getting done right. I've saved at least 5k maintaining and repairing my own car. My 2006 Matrix just passed 220k miles and runs perfect. I still use an independent mechanic for certain tricky jobs that require a lift.
I think the regular DIYer is not able to change the Timing belt
@@jaimecalderon1432 Agreed.
that’s true. Tricky fix
@@jaimecalderon1432I am with you. I can change air filter, cabin filter, oil, brake pads, etc but timing belt is a higher level of DIYer.
I had the same work done for $1200 at an independent mechanic. (Timing belt and water pump)
Most people on the forums only paid $1400-$1800 for this exact service. I would’ve shopped around to different Honda Dealers. It’s definitely not supposed to be that expensive.
So they say.
Omg, the dealership screwed you on the spark plug service 😢
I found 6 denso spark plugs at their website for $96
@@toniviudez6371 OEM Iridium plugs are super expensive... it's the labor charge that is obscene. I think the list price is $55 each. Cheaper stuff from Amazon or eBay are likely fake.
The spark plug replacement on these Hondas is so easy! There is a football field of room between the motor and firewall. This is such an easy motor to work on.
@@michaelwright1602 - I disagree - The back 3 plugs you have to completed 'blind' (you cannot see what you are doing) unless you are laying on the engine for the pilots that are 2016 - 2022
@@samiam4202 Incredibly easy on mine, remove the plastic cover, reach your hand back, find the 3 10mm nuts, remove, pop the coils, and remove the plugs. I don't have to see what I can feel. Plenty of room too. I can have all three rear bank plugs out in around 10 minutes tops, probably quicker. Just a 59 yo shade tree mechanic. This is a 30 minute job tops in a shop, especially with the proper tools, which any decent mechanic should already own.
I am not mechanically inclined but changed my spark plugs in about two hours for a cost of a little over $100. I know someone with better skills can change them out in under an hour. $300 for labor seems excessive.
About 30 minutes on this engine
Many of those things can be done by yourself: oil and filter change,ATF differential change, spark plugs, air filters, brake fluids, coolant flush, serpentine belt . Maybe the most time consuming would be the time belt and water pump. I started doing it myself and with money I save I buy more tools. Dealerships = stealerships
by the time you get to 100,000 miles your truck should be well paid off just put back a couple of months of extra car payment and you'll be good when you hit that mark
I hate that I had to scroll so far for this comment. If you're saving ~$500/month for ~3-4 years, I'd spend $3,000 to basically have a completely refreshed Honda, knowing you're good for another 100,000 miles with routine maintenance.
You were definitely ripped off BUT, with the exception of the timing belt, water pump and tensioner, you could have done all of that work yourself for a whole lot less. The typical timing belt, tensioner, and water pump change, which is definitely a must at 100,000 miles, is usually around $1200. The fact that they gave you $500 off so quickly is also another indication that they ripped you off
"$500 off discount" sounds great when you hear it. Definitely sounds like a sales tactic, now that you pointed that out
timing belt or serpentine belt?
They’re called STEALERships not, Dealerships.
Look ppl, there are ppl who have no access to good mechanics or access to any mechanics at all.
There are ppl who feel safe and worry free bringing their vehicles there, it’s ok, it’s their money.
Plus some ppl are just simply not mechanically inclined.
Some of these 'said people' don't even try to look for an option less expensive. I can afford the dealership costs, but I will still use my independent mechanic for my 100k services because I don't like to waste money. My 2019 Ridgeline only has 60k miles so it will be a while before I need these services.
You should take that list of services exactly the way Honda listed it and get an independent (not a chain) Honda repair shop to price it out for you. I think you will be shocked at the difference in cost even when somebody else does the exact same work.
If it is out of warranty use a reliable independent shop
This is a video that I really, really, really wished that someone put out prior to me taking my vehicle in. So here it is! This is the cost and why. Enjoy!!!
Lookup cost of good ser of auto ramps, drive right on & your ready for oil change, 17mm socket, 5 qt jug of Costco Kirkland 0W-20 oil $31-39, Fram Ultra or WIX XP filter
Amazon $10, oil catch pan $15 Amazon/Walmart, couple crush washers $2 Amazon/Walmart
UA-cam video 10 minutes
You can change your oil every
4.5-6.5k rest if your life!
And job is often done better
as you can keep tabs on other fluids, noises etc
It's why I never take it to a dealer I go.to an independent shop.i trust
Thats why you never go to the dealer. I had my pads rotors front control arms and links oil change for 400 parts and 400 labor on c class Mercedes. You were charged 165 for belt! Crazy
Car is not the problem. Letting the dealer do the work is
$1,140 for Timing belt job in 2023 is high but not a rip off. I did it myself and I paid over $200 for Aisin timing belt kits in 2015, it took me 6 hours
My neighbor took her HR-V in for a simple oil change and it costs her $360. They did the oil change and added the following. Cabin air filter, engine air filter and rotate the tires.
That sounds insane! I get that same service done on my Civic (different vehicle, but same manufacturer) and pay $125 for it. I also take mine to the dealership, still financing & under warranty.
Something sounds wrong here. It should be at least half of this price. My Honda dealer charges about $100 for the same services.
@@brucefredrickson9677 I agree Bruce.
Your neighbor got taken!!!
Thanks for breaking this down for us Honda owners. Get ready!
yep, @200k you do the same thing : spark plug, trimming belt, water pump, radiator drain/fill, air filter, cabin air filter, tire rotation. break service if needed. oil change/filter and perhaps ATF service. went thru this on a 2007 odyssey, I skipped the water pump. by rolling the dice. but so far is been ok. may not change belt again. or water pump, as we may get rid of the van before it hits 300k . I already disabled the VCM system it was causing problems on the odyssey. if you do not change the timing belt and it breaks. it will destroy the engine most times. as the honda engines are interference engines. Honda did update the design of the 4 cylinder engines to remove the trimming belt and go back to a chain. also most Toyotas use a timing chain and were non-interference engines.
I disabled my VCM system at about 30k miles as it caused a shudder. It was a $75 part that I installed myself.
I did not see the transmission fluid change (and filter?), brake fluid change, rear and front differential fluids (not sure if it has both).
All services were due but yeah prices were high.
That's quite the gouging they did on you.
I replaced my spark plugs myself a few months ago and they plugs cost $100. That's for the NGK Iridium that a dealer would install.
You also were seriously overcharged on the tensioner, water pump, serpentine belt, and a couple other items.
I don't go to a dealer any more as they charge exorbitant labor rates and really mark up the parts. Most items i can do myself and it saves thousands of dollars - way more then needed to buy three few tools you might need.
But don't skimp on the servicing. Change your engine oil frequently. Change your transmission oil every couple of years or 30K miles. Transfer case (if you have it) and rear differential fluids every three years or around 40K miles. Spark plugs every 100K if you don't have VCM, otherwise check then every year or two as VCM can foul up those in the VCM cylinders. Timing belt every 100K miles or 7 years. Water pumps can last a long time, but if you're in there getting the belt done might was well change it. And service the brakes every six months if you're in the rust belt, otherwise every year if not.
$180 for an oil change? Jeez. The 10min speed oil change spots charge around 98-108$ and when you do it yourself it only costs 48-55$ if you have the basic tools and jack stands. As for the engine air filter and cabin air filter, you don't even need tools lol just your hands. Anyways, thats good that you're maintaining your car at certain intervals. Most people just do basic oil changes and forget everything else and wait til the last second when everything starts to break down. Then when theyre around the 200k to 240k mileage mark, they're looking at a $5000 to $6500+ bill to get everything fixed all at once.
Personally, I would have told them that I needed some time to think about it as far as picking which items I wanted done. Pick the ones that you really want to get done like the major stuff and go to an independent mechanic to get it done for you much cheaper. Ask the mechanic to use OEM factory parts if possible.
That $3000 bill you got could be significantly cheaper if you take certain unnecessary items out (or do it yourself) and get the major ones done somewhere else.
You don't even need jack stands, head up to AutoZone and get a pair of RinoRamps, around $50, drive the front of the vehicle up the ramps, change your oil, drive off ramps, top off. You will need a 17mm wrench or socket, oil filter cap wrench, around $5, and a new drain plug crush washer. Takes me around 20 minutes all in to change the oil on our Accord and or Pilot.
Great Video If you ever come across a HRV 2020 about 100k miles please post for us the cost what are needed,im 49 will be 50 soon i do my own maintenance like all liquids change do some spark plugs filters and clean throttle body egr pcv every year go to rusfproff i started it when i bought the car brand new. i save some money for tools that will be easy for hondas to use did brake rotors and pads, but on inside engine that im not qualified because i dont have garage i do it on roads so bringing the jack floor on a 3ed floor is not easy for now i can still do it but not sure when i hit certain ages. but for now my car is at 57k miles will still be abit more years to see 100k just one to know what are the others big maintenance i will encounter when it comes to engines or any other parts that will fail that will cost me so much around that prize you mentions. please if anyone know post some i check alot of you tube videos mostly hondas never tried toyota yet i think there also easy to do maintenance .if anyone have ideas they can add send me replay.
I am 77 years old and been doing my own maintenance on my vehicle since I was 16. But now I am tired of crawling underneath cars and changing the oil and trying to get that last spark plug back in the number eight cylinder on a Ford F150. I just bought a Honda Ridgeline and the dealer I bought from actually gives you a 200,000 mile warranty and 20 years. So when it finally gets to 100,000 I’m just gonna pay the $3000 if I’m still around.
You also have to look at your income, of course. I dont make much, so a couple days working on the pilot is gonna be a HUGE savings for me. Cant afford to take it to an independent shop either.
I have a 2015 odyssey with 140k. I did myself the spark plugs and transmission fluid drain and fill. That was not difficult. I paid $1600 for a local mechanic to do the timing belt and water pump and the serpentine belt and alternator and tensioner pulley. I will run that another 150k
Thanks, I'll have to start setting aside money got 3000 miles on my 2023.
By then yours will be 5k due to inflation 😂😂
Most if not all can be done by the owner, the only one that I will let dealer do is timing belt (don't have the time or a 2nd car to drive to dealer to buy parts that break during maintenance). Each dealership also charge a little different for the service, parts and labor.
You got hosed by the stealership! Most of this work you can easily do yourself except the timing belt replacement and valve adjustment.
Wow! You got taken to the cleaners as they say. So over $60 for each spark plug and $380 to change spark plugs. And $36 just to change the engine air filter which anyone can do in under 1 minute in addition to $34 for the filter. That is comical. The most complicated part is changing the water pump/timing belt and tensioner. I'm surprised they did not find issues with your suspension (shocks, struts, control arms, tie rods, etc.) as that is another way to gouge you even further.
I plan on doing the 100K service plus other items not mentioned (serpentine belt, thermostat) myself so should cost me under $500 in parts.
Why replace a bunch of stuff when it doesn't need it? Replacing seals and gaskets when they are not leaking is a waste.
Yeah total waste of time and money on that one.
I had a timing belt supposedly break at 150k miles in a honda civic after i got it replaced by an independent shop at 100k miles. Either they never actually did it, used a poor quality aftermarket part, or i got really unlucky. But im done with timing belts, never again will i buy a vehicle that has one
The bigger issue is probably the combination of a timing belt and an interference engine.
I hope you didn't get that service from that dealership. Some of those costs are very overpriced. $188 for oil change and tire rotation? $350 for sparkplug labor? $35 to change engine air filter? (That's prob a 5min job at most). I can't speak for the other repairs. You may want to call around other dealerships to get an estimate... and look online for coupons before going anywhere. Pick the lowest cost dealership and bring in any coupons for discounts. Most dealerships will accept other dealer coupons. One other option is Costco autobuying has a network of dealerships (one each brand) which offers -15% off pretty much any repairs or maintenance (not basic oil change thou).
I only buy cars with a timing chain. If the belt breaks while you're driving your engine is screwed. Had it happen once.
Thank you for the insight into that maintenance. I have a 2019 Honda Ridgeline. It’s my first Honda. I thought that Honda vehicles would run over 200k miles without major maintenance. Is all of this necessary? By the way, I changed the engine air filter myself for just the cost of the filter, around $20. 46k mileage at the moment.
I'm sure the spark plugs, oil change, valve adjustments are necessary. Not sure about the water pump. Air filter and tire rotation is simple, you can do that yourself. Since I use the truck for work, I need it in tip top condition which is why I choose to have it serviced at the dealer.
Every car needs maintenance. You can go well over 200K without major problems, but that’s only if you do maintenance. However it seems that the dealer charged nearly double for what my dealers have charged. You can assumably get this service done for less
@@WasabiGato They do the water pump because they have it all apart. If it were to fail later your cost for just replacing it would be not good.
I did my timing belt at 104k miles. While inspecting the timing belt it could have gone another 50k miles or so but since it is the timing belt we are talking about here, I would still recommend replacing timing belt, water pump and spark plugs at 105k. As for Valve adjustment, that is not needed unless the valves are ticking. It's just another way of the stealership running away with your hard earned money.
@@seewhyem that is definitely NOT true. You should always get your valves adjusted. The ticking noise indicates the valves are loose. But it is very common for Honda valves to tighten as well. That does not make a ticking noise. That’ll burn up the engine up. Valve adjustments will rectify too loose or too tight of valves
I would say the engine air filter and cabin air filter anyone can do them selves as no tools are required. Just youtube it can save some cash. Not everyone will need a new water pump those are inspected and replaced if needed. If you have some tools then some of that stuff is doable. The valve adjustment and timing belt I would rather pay someone to that lol .
Thanks for the comment, I wish I had known what the 100K maintenance consisted of prior to going to the dealer. Well, now we all know! I hope you found this video helpful. ✌️
I've always done my own oil changes, transmission fluid changes and rear diff service. $188 for an oil change is just theft!!!!
I got my odyssey serviced with everything you had done but my dealer charged $1800
Wow! Is it AWD or 2wd? What year is your vehicle and where did you get it serviced? The labor for mine was over $2K and they had it for 2 whole days. Are you sure they did everything?
@@WasabiGato I’m sure they did everything required. I don’t think dealerships will skimp on services they can charge. It’s 2wd 2010 Odyssey. It was done at Phil Hughes Honda in Athens, GA
@@WasabiGato mine took all day, dropped it off at 7am and picked it up about 4-5pm same day
I have a 23 Ridgeline .. are these 9 speed transmissions reliable ? I worry about no the engines lasting but these transmissions !! My 04 Acura MDX transmissions was much smoother than the 9 speed .. and did last till around 250k miles which was good....but I wonder about the 23 models that appear to upshift , downshift , lag etc while driving.
I traded in my 2017 for a 2023 and so far it has been good. No issues.
My 9-speed transmission on my 2021 RL had to be completely replaced at 55,000 miles (under warranty). Word is that the speed on older RL's was more reliable.
* the 6-speed transmission on older RL's was more reliable.
I think you should invest in a few inexpensive hand tools and do this work yourself. I own a 2013 Pilot, and it has to be one of the easiest vehicles I have ever owned to work on. There are few if any surprises, you could buy all of the tools needed to do most of this work for less than $150. The valve adjustment, is not that difficult, even the timing belt is not that difficult. And those are items you would maybe only do once, as most folks do not keep their vehicles that long.
And that's why they call them stealersips. You have about $300 parts everything in, most everything except timing belt, very easy..
Of course, at 100k I would't take it to a dealer. Find a good independent mechanic. BUT, for those saying do spark plugs, do diff fluid, do oil change DIY...it all depends on your level of comfort, knowledge and time. If you make good money, spending $3k may not take you that long to recoup. But for most of us, $3k could take weeks to recoup...and in that case you should at least try to do some of these simpler things yourself. Most fluid changes are pretty easy and can be done in a weekend afternoon. Coolant can get tricky as you need to bleed air from the system. But oil, diff and transfer case is really easy if you have the right tools.
Spark plugs are 13 ea.
Im at 185K on my 2017 ridgeline hahaha
TLDR; like the others the local shop whill probably cost half the amount and some of the items can be done easily.
After 100k at around 150K miles be prepared to spend $$$ on aging suspension, no dealer route was around $4.3K in 2 years, about 180$ month
3.1K ooo that's steep, as with the others my 100k serivce was about 1.2K for the tune up ( plugs,belts, valve lash adjustments,water pump, tensioners, gaskets and seals, + labor) at my local car wizard. The fluids are topped off by them.
The other maintenance, 5k miles oil + oil filter ~ 65$ but they wave it, cabin + engine filter 20$ the amazon special and i do it myself. DW1 ATF + inline filter, lubeguard red, transfer case, and diff is about 500$ every 30k
Brakes about $1K; rears rotors and pads plus fluid was 800$ + ~200$ for front pads and turning the front rotors( the fronts are under sized and are thin, dont turn them just replaced with with good aftermarket). ~ about $2.7K if i included the service with replacing/turning brakes/ rotor ( brake stuff was actually 2 years after)
I hate to break it to you but after 100k bushings and suspension starts to wear out and generally by 150k it replacing time all from about 160k to 180K is the most i have spent in a year
However, toward since the pandemic some parts are backordered to the end of time.
Rack and pinon - 1.8k for parts + labor, i sourced it from another honda for 600$; dealer would charge 2.8k for the just the part
Struts all 4, at the dealer thry arent pre assembled and the dealer wanted 400$ per strut! F THAT NOISE
I ordered new OEM dust boots, dampers, and strut mount, bushings, and washers for around 450$ and had my carwizard replace the damper for 4 total 800$ parts + labor and alignment 100$ and new sway bar endlinks and sway bar bushings for 100$; so at 160K $2.8K for suspension and steering rack
Then at 180K passanger CV Axles and lower control.
450$ to replace passanger OEM CV axle! Axle seal + labor, the dealer was backordered and wanted 400$ prepay no ship date ! My Carwizard sourced and OEM from Worldpac ( i got lucky).
900$ front lower controls arms + labor, the bushings were torn, again dealer was out backorder ( yes i checked multiple) they wanted ~350$ per control arm. Again wizard did magic and i got lucky with 2 OEM from Texas and seattle box and all $500 for 2x arms and $400 for labor + 100$ alignment; so just about 1.5K for end of 2023 🙃
The dealer would have probably increase the cost by 50% for parts and labor
Looks like you saved yourself lots of $$$. Thanks for sharing!
@WasabiGato hahaha you're welcome fellow Ridgeliner! Gonna stick my 17 Ridgy with it until it falls apart! Maybe I'll even get a new engine from honda bahahaha
Theres a sucker born every minute...ive bought numerous hondas in my life and i can tell you that most of that is a waste of time. Just change your oil. Youll be fine.
Geez that was excessively over priced the major service on my porsche at the dealer wasnt even that much 😂 our honda dealer in atlanta has been very reasonable and pretty competitive even against independent garages
My dealer charges $60 out the door for an oil change in my 2016 pilot. Where are you? Cuba?
Sierra Honda in California
Same my dealer charges about $69 for my 2018 honda pilot and they also do coupons I just had on for tire rotation and oil change for $80 dollars and I’m going back for my transfer case and differential fluid change that adds up to $220 but I have a coupon for $100 dollars off.
@@WasabiGato ohhhhhhh california
for tire rotation and balance go to discount tire they provide the service for free.@@WasabiGato
And never forget to always have that small pinheaded extra camera fitted where only you know it is. These oem service centers can be extremely dishonest.
Soooo my fiance and i should avoid a 100k used Pilot?
Its a good vehicle if you maintain it. Ask for maintenance records, if the 100K maintenance hasn't been done, I would skip it.
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1000 water pump belt tensioner v6 honda includ part and labor outside dealer
The spark plug change out was highway robbery
New spark plugs are expensive s they are now not even spark plugs but coil packs. Like $120 each!!
Spark plugs and coil packs are two different things. The coil packs mount directly onto the spark plugs, replacing the old school design of an ignition coil, spark plug wires and distributor .
Now you have to worry if they actually did all that stuff and did it correctly.
Thanks for this video
Looks like you got it cheap, specially the timing belt job.
Some of the maintenance you had done wasnt necessary. I dont see why they replaced the water pump. Was something wrong with it? Also, at the very least you could have changed the air filters yourself and saved around a $100. Also, Spark plugs are super easy to change on newer Honda's, its a 15 minute job. Save another $300 on labor and up-charged parts. Just watch a few UA-cam videos, its not difficult at all and you dont need to go underneath the car. Also, the dealership upcharges all parts for their cars they service. If you go to their parts department and try to buy the same exact parts yourself to take home, you'll see everything is way cheaper than what the service department is charging for parts for their mechanics to put into your car. Overcharging people every day of the week
Because there is so much labor involved in removing the timing cover to replace the timing belt, it's stupid to Not change out the water pump while it's exposed. You also change out the timing belt tensioner and pulley because those usually fail before any of the other parts.
Thank you for the anxiety story
🤣😂Hahaha are you crazy or what lol never use dealerships prices sky high for anything only if you buy a new car or almost new for a good price and then repairs only at local mechanics
I can do all these things myself , I dont need a 1000% markup on maintenance
Some of that money is legalized theft, change my mind! Of course, either pay that or way more money for engine damage if the timing belt let's go!
Agreed!
Why does Honda have to do your 100k maintenance?
Why go to the dealer?
Getting scammed for part costs! Timing belt should cost about $25
Most of the checks would take less than one hour.
Next time only go when stuff ain't feeling right. Half that stuff could of been done with UA-cam.. cabin filter in right in the glove box. You don't even need tools. Air filter is usually one tool and 4 bolts and you just swap. I did my spark plugs and UA-cam told me how. Saved me big money. That's like a 30min job they charged you 3 hours.. Jesus.. scammed.. oil change is easy too easy 20 bucks for oil and 7 for filter.. learn how to do the easy stuff yourself and save money.
Dude my 100,000 maintenance was only $1400 or so for a compete timing belt change. Did you ever get your truck checked? Did you ever get an oil change while doing 100,000 miles? Show proof cause think your lying
Yes, I have the receipt. Holy moly, watch the entire video Andrew! 🥴. Lol
That's a lot of money Honda rip people off I had a 2005 Honda Element set with 2,500 for service how to say why so much oh we got to change the timing belt I told a guy in the counter I have a timing chain I walked away change my own oil the rear end four-wheel drive model transmission fluid it doesn't have a filter Honda parts
I hope the transmission lasts
370.00 for spark plugs. 300% over priced. I think that price 66.75, was per box of 4...
No way per plug...
Timing Kit.... Tensioner was about 400% over-priced.
Water pump was 300% over-priced...
I would say, labor was about double what it should have been....
So they probably took off some of the parts price... Labor stayed the same..
3,000 is about right at a dealer.
Dont take it to the dealer
Free videos on how to do all this work
You probably overpaid. Still, if you think about it, that's about 3 cents per mile driven. Seems reasonable to me.
U good for another 200k
yeah you got ripped off
Be prepared to go to a trustworthy independent garage.
Fluids and spark plugs are all DIY
3k @100k? 😅 my civic, accord, element over 250k with original timing belts and chain all left the chat
Could’ve saved a ton doing most of it yourself
This is exactly why I trade up every 4-5 years, before I even need the timing belt replaced. I’d rather have that $500. payment than a $5000. repair, $3000 maintenance tab, or on the side of the road. I went from a 2014, to a 2019, to a 2023 Ridgey.
You could have waited till you got to 200k miles. Honda timing belts last forever
I have 285k on the original timing belt
You got screwed. Hard
Labor cost is what kills you! Take it to a known mechanic that can give you a better deal
Rubbish ! I have a 2011 Honda Accord euro luxury and I do all my own maintenance. Oil changes,air filters,cabin filters,battery replacement,starter motor replacement,spark plugs,alternator,coils,gearbox oil change,struts,bushings. If you have the right tools and knowledge you can do all your own servicing.
Discount Lol
NO...WAY... Look, the dealer ROBBED you. Even with that measly discount,t they robbed you. Just focusing on the least expensive item, the engine air filter. They charged $35 for the filter and $35 for the labor. The filter is actually $15-20 just about anywhere else. Replacing the filter is a 2 minute job. Seriously....2 minutes. Not to mention the ton of replacements that aren't necessary. They replaced the water pump?! Why?! Yes water pumps go bad, but they don't fail a wildly higher rate than similar parts. Dealer suck. Do not buy in the hype that they know your car best and will do the best job. Find a good local mechanic and you would have gotten all of this down for half price. Even less taking out the stuff that was unnecessary.
Robbery 🤣
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