All the hate comments people get real. I practice TKD but i also did karate. All fighting styles are strong, depends on the fighter. Although i'm more of a tkd guy i know both advantages an disadvatages. TKD's have more speed and kicks. Karate has more punches and hardness. Believe me it's an endless discussion. But what i have learned is this, and that's from both style instructors: "As soon as you start disrespecting another style, then you'll get cocky and lose" ;-)
viktor peters We can close this discussion. Only haters are ethose who have no idea what's going on and the origins of both arts. And your right about TKD, korean karate is mostly kicks and using the legs, Japanese is most hands. But its not (as Bruce Lee said) the style, its the person who masters the style. I've and you too, probably seen a Karateka, beat a TKD, and a TKD beat a Karateka. Hell, didn't a Judo fighter beat a BJJ a few years back. So let them talk. And they'll end up half way training and half way prepared, then get beat by a white belt in whatever. Thanks Viktor for the insight.
It's a martial art but now a days is played with same rules as other martial art competitions so in a sense it is a sport. Not your typical sport mind you, like TaeKwonDo was no sport but now it got made into one.
The funny thing is that Mas Oyama is Korean born and was exposed to Tae kyon which is where taek kwon do originated from. Tae kyon ' s techniques are 80% kicking and it moves in rhymic steps. (Search for a video) That is why kyokushin karate has much more kicking than other Karate styles. Oyama went back home to korea many times, more Than 50 years ago and helped to modernize tae kyon into Taek kwon do. He is one of many founding members of Kukiwon; a national authority that standardized taek kyon into TKD. That is why TKD also has same clothes and belt system and Dan levels. So you can say that Oyama helped to structure modern TKD (there is a news reel video on UA-cam of one of Oyama's many visits to Korea in the 60s. In it; Oyama is referred as Tae Kwon Wong (Tae kwon king). If Mas Oyama remained in Korea and walked the similar life; I am sure that he would have founded kukjin (korean for kyokushin) Tae Kwon Do☺ I lived in korea in the 70s and practiced TKD for many years until I reached 1st dan black belt. The part of video that shows people practicing kyokushin karate, and their Dae ryun (spar fighting) closely resembles tkd i experienced. It looks and feels almost identical to how TKD was practiced and taugh. It is still like that for the most part. At that time, TKD did not utilize all the safety gear they use now during tournaments. Now there are two versions of tkd. The original tkd where you train to develop mind snd body, ability to defend yourself as well as defend the helpless. This entails not only physical development but also development of self discipline and righteous morals. *just as a side note; at that time a emergency technique called "iji kong kwon su" was taught but it was banned in mid 70s due to its viciousness It's literal meaning is: two finger eye attack. A technique designed to gouge out the eye balls of the opponent or at the least injure the eye of the opponent. We were told that this attack should only be used when it'd a life or death situation. There were several other vicious techniques that were taught also; another being the nut squeeze/crunch😨 Another tkd is like what another poster said; sport. This is the type of tkd where mostly younger people train with the goal of winning in tournaments; some with a goal of winning a Olympic medal. The reason why the sports aspect of tkd focus heavily on high kicks is because the kick to the opponents head is not only effective to knock out an opponent but a well landed kick to the head/face gets the highest point. I believe it's 3 points for kicking opponents head while it only yields 1 point for a blow to the specific area of the body with a fist. If I am not mistaking; a kick to the point yielding area of the body yields 2 points. That is why you see so much more; sometimes in its entirety kicking in TKD tournaments. Both fighters are trying to get as much points as possible and kicking is the logical choice. Also, it is illegal to use fist to strike the face/head. Because Korea wants to maintain dominance of its national martial arts; the sport TKD is heavily encouraged for the young adults. But if winning medals and trophies are not your goal then you can approach tkd like it was meant to be. In most non kyokushin karate tournaments, blow to the head with feet or fist is illegal and the only place you can strike to get a point is the chest area and abdomen. That is why Karate fighters cover there body with their arms and it is very difficult to land a clean shot to that area. This makes karate tournaments very boring. I am not sure what kind of rules are there for kyokushin Karate tournaments so I can't say much about it. Hope somebody who knows about it posts it here.... In conclusion; kyokushin karate and non sports TKD are twins. Both of them are influenced by Mas Oyama, albeit Kyokushin Karate has much more of Mas Oyama's personal touch. I believe kyokushin Karate is a style that was born from the marriage of TKD and other Karate. As for which is better; you cannot say one style of Martial arts is better than the other. Because the outcome of a fight is determined by the mental fortitude, will, courage physical fitness, and mastery of whatever discipline it is that the martial artist practised. The winner is always the one with stronger above mentioned mental and physical qualities.
Oyama was korean but grew up in manchuria where he learned Lo han as a child. Oyama arrived in Japan at the age of 12 with no training in korean striking styles. He had some practice in a form of korean wrestling as a child. Since his death the korean martial arts community have tried to claim Oyama's style as Korean. this never would have happened when he was alive because they would have been corrected. Its like trying to say chuck norris' style is american martial arts because chuck norris is american. My information comes directly from Oyama's family and his first generation students.
TKD is even different now than it was in the 80’s when I started training. It didn’t feel as much of a sport as it does now. It was more planted. Now is too much spinning and jump kicking....
I learn kyokushin in my place same move as other kyokushin around the world and we cannot punch on face but can kick on face. Same as other Karate but for kyokushin we don't need protector or something like that. Every time I'm train and drills I always get a hard punch and explosive kicks( I can't write a better words) . Sometimes I feel it sucks cause why I be like a sandbag😂😂. But me and other disciple just like family. We do to train like kill each other but don't mean to be that. Other than that yeah brutal punch and kick just like meals for us or probably like that
I'm a Karateka, and I believe TKD is an amazing martial art. Well, was one. Over time it has been sportified and made into something it wasn't meant to be, because as you are probably aware, TKD originally came from Shotokan.
I am a black belt in Taekwondo and Hapkido. I love them both to my heart. I also want to do Kyokushin, because that will help me harden my body all the way around. I do military BJJ for ground and I box for hands. This video is a great representation of both arts. Long live all Martial Artists forever!
The real difference stand in the use of "void". TKD (traditional TDK, not this bycicle kick olympic stuff) is very close to Karate. Traditional TKD just switch a little more on the offensive side, Karate focus more on "each maneuver is offensive and defensive too". Just a little. The outcome will probably depend only by the skill of practictioners and by human factors (strenght, nerves, breath and so on), not the nature of the discipline, that at high level become more an instinct than a true form (again, don't look at olympic stuff, please).
TKD in the olympics made it even sucks. Sport taekwondo is weak dude, I pity those who practice traditional TKD but got ridiculed becuase of other people turned their martial art into a game of tag, & made it popular
Kyokushin may not the best fighting style, but it's certainly much better than tkd. The tkd fighters can't even stand well, that's why when they kick and the others fight back, they lie on the ground. Kyokushin fighters have balance, they stand well. Like Muay Thai, they have powerful and effective low kicks and they fight well in close-distance, which make the tkd attacks useless in the fight.
Wow... A lot of arguing going on here. It's kind of impossible to say which is better because in the sporting world every style has its own rules. TKD is best known for its kicks but is not limited to just kicks. Kyokushin is more grounded and close combat and full contact and does not punch the face. MMA as the name suggests uses a combination of styles. Muay thai is a devastating art which uses a lot of elbows and knees. It will be near impossible for any MMA fighter to win against a Kyokushin fighter if they fight with Kyokushin kumite rules. Same applies for all styles. I don't really think there is "a best" out of any style. Just like a car, it depends on who is behind the wheel and what road its on. In the real world.. well no one can say what will happen. It is true though, Kyokushin is the strongest Karate. OSU!
lakshen47 I am not sure which dojo you go to but all proper Kyokushin Dojos practice full contact fighting in their tournaments and senior gradings. It is optional to wear protective gear such as gloves, shin pads and head gear when training (Some dojos recommend it) and junior tournaments. Kids tournaments use protective gear as a principal. You can watch Kyokushin tournaments on youtube. I belong to a Shinkyokushin dojo in Australia and all our tournaments include full contact fighting. So I am not mistaken.
***** Yes we practise full contact of course, the tournament style. Real jissen kumite has no rules, punches and elbows to the head is allowed, scratching and biting too if you are so inclined or kicks to the groin.
Boondock Saint You do understand that WTF taekwondo is meant to be fought as a sport right? Olympic style, sport tkd. Calling it "ballet" just because they don't use their hands is...well...stupid. Also, i practice WTF taekwondo, and I do use my hands. I'm not one of those tall, flashy, spinny fighters. It comes down to the individual. My point is simply that the WTF variant is a sport. Like boxing, which uses only punches. Understand?
Boondock Saint The bodypad is so the judges can hear if the kick hits your opponent well or not, if it doesnt sounds for quite a bit you will not get a point, the pad itself doesnt help against the pain that much at all.
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Kyokushin has some pretty good sparring techniques, the whole punching trees and beating the crap out of each other during training. Personally I don't think any fighting style is better than another, the fighter is always more important than the technique.
Taekwondo all the way. The fact that the preferred form of competition sparring is MAINLY kicks (body punches are allowed, not counted for points, but a great tactic for throwing off balance to destroy them with a back kick), doesn't mean that it isn't an absolutely complete martial art. Remember, it was FORMED to be the martial art used to liberate a country.. And it's done nothing but transform and tune ever since. Karate is an incredible martial art as well. Very focused on power. I think it would be a great fight between two experienced masters. I happen to prefer Taekwondo. However, I did learn some karate though
WTF tkd=sport.....itf tkd=martial arts. Get it right mate that Olympic crap is not traditional tkd they don't even use hands. Tkd means "the art of kicking and punching"
Pete Cash WTF does punching. Just not to the head. Kyokushin does not do punching to the head either. WTF Taekwondo = FULL CONTACT MARTIAL ART. ITF is light-contact!! It's not even fighting. And official sparring matches stop after every point, it's ridiculous. Also WTF practioners are 10x better kickers than ITF ones.
Wrong wrong and wrong, our techniques are far superior and more powerful. Granted WTF is fast but their kicks are not affective. As for point score n stop, where u get that from!? Our comps are run same as kickboxing rounds u dimwit. Try using Google once in a while n look up facts before making yourself look silly on here.
Tkd vs Kyokushin I wont do comparison between this two but Tkd vs Wrestling styles like Judo, I think it will be very difficult for Tkd fighter. Wrestling means grappling and putting down. All those brilliant kicks wont come to your aid there.
Calvin Stewart los jiu jitsu brasileros los gracie vencieron a todos los taekwondo , fui instructor de taekwondo y las patadas no nokean un luchador fuerte como kikushin o muay tay es un estilo agil de piernas pero nada mas y se lo q es tkd lo entrene y lo enseñe recomiendo entrenarlo solo 2 años intensamente solo para patadas y dejarlo sin dejar de entrenar un estilo de contacto pleno como kikbox o kiokushi mex con judo y brasilian jiu jitsu, no es bueno atarse aun estilo pierdes aprender muchas cosas
Translate didn't work very well but... all I can say is one of my friends (korean) took TKD for 9 years. He is easily the most badass person I know. He once took on 6 very athletic guys at once and intimidated the others away.
A long before I got my first BB, I've fought several TKD blackbelts on separate occasions, and they all had the same holes in their art. I wiped the floor with every one of them. One truly effective rang. No effective hands or grappling. Those beautiful spinning/aerial motions that result in being completely off balance and face down as soon as you close. I love fighting TKD BBs - they have no respect for any other art, and no skills except kicking. Ground game is hilarious fun with them.
dude no joke i have extreme difficulty with aikido users. i always have. that is why i plan to go and start aikido this coming summer. my buddy from work has been doing ti for awhile and told me about where he trains and i plan to take a trip and sign up for the summer. it will be amazing to get back into martial arts again. it was an important factor in my life that undeniably changed who i am and rpevented me from falling through the cracks and becoming another delinquent.
Koreans never had fighters like samurai in the history. This is why they jump around where as Karate fighters do not try to kick as much since they know in a real fight, when they fail to kick and lye on the ground, that is the time they will die. Koreans learnt Karate from Japanese and rename it to TKD: they never used it in real fights.
TKD has 2 arts that it has lineage in, Taekkyeon and Shotokan, in ancient times Korean warriors called Hwarang were trained in Taekkyeon and other arts. After the war TKD was established and Shotokan was a main inspiration, which is why many patterns resemble or have parts of Shotokan like kata, from what I've read many of the original Korean masters of TKD were students of Shotokan aswell, so TKD's lineage in its form now isn't that old.
T0xicRouge they are, and they are slower than punches though powerful. tkd knockouts are cool on its sport but what if you have an enemies who's got his hand up to his head? tsk tsk
Yes i can , I learn Martial Arts not to fight but to learn as much that I can. Every one has his own goal and vision in Martial arts . That 's what makes Martial Arts so beautiful to study. There is so much to see and to learn as long that a person is open minded and respectful.
I like how alot of people post things about either being useless or one being superior. In reality most of those people probably never even took up learning martial arts and are more than likely just spectators...i really comes down to the person and how well trained they are and if they can adapt any much more.
+JIMBO SLICE I trained taekwondo for 6 years and it has been soooooooo cool and fun. Taekwondo is a LOT better than karate because it has way more power,agility and precise. Karate is just a piece of shit
You could say that. It gets into real depth because it is an art but most of them are short clips and most of them are showing power kicks, which in a competition some sacrifice their balance for winning blows, thus getting caught on their back foot when their plan fails.
Let's try this again. In the video, if you can notice, the main reason so many of the TKD fighters were KO'd was because their hands were not raised high enough to deflect or redirect the kicks aimed for their heads. If their hands had been fulfilling their protective role (for leaving them at your sides had few advantages), the TKD fighters would not have received as many kicks directly to the head. Therefore, if said hands were raised to about chin level, there would not be so many sudden KOs.
Kyokushin brings more to the table, from solid upper body punching attacks, blocks and equally impressive kicks to legs, body and head, they also keep the form and are solidly rooted on the ground always with a great stance...It's an art for all out war....
ITF original style TKD was created in 1955 by General Choi Hong Hi. TKD is a hybrid martial art consisting of Shotokan, Taekkyon and Subak-gi with some Judo and Hapkido joint locking techniques added to round out the art. All these elements, combined with scientific theories make for a very unique and powerful martial art. ITF Taekwon-do is VERY much a combat martial art, don't let Olympic style WTF fool you. Look up videos for ITF North Korea demo team to see how powerful it is.
Why do the most compare this with that ? Just practice the sport you love and enjoy life . Do not put down another sport. Everybody is different and choose what he or she love to do .. I did Taekwondo for 8 years and now I practice Kickboxing.. I do not compare them I practice them with joy and learn everyday. That 's what sport is for Respect for everybody
I do taekwondo, with that said, it's not the style you practice but the degree at which you personally train, the teachers are there to open the door it's up to you on how far you wanna go in.
i've done taekwondo and I'm learning Kyo' Karate right now....taekwondo like some people have commented is a really good sport and teaches you good techniques specially when it comes to kicking it also requires you to be in really good shape.....Kyo' Karate on the other hand is just rough like really rough, even a friendly sparring match is rough when it comes to Kyo' Karate.
In martial arts the style you choose has very little to do with the actual fight. Its the person you are fighting, not the style of martial arts you have learned. A black belt in Karate may be just as skilled in fighting as a street fighter on the corner.
i partially agree with Pedro Puntel, except its not just about the best practioner but the best schools as well. The best fighters did not get to where they are with out the great instructors that helped get them there. its also about what style or school is best for you. Some individuals are naturally better at striking based styles like karate, muay thai etc, and others are better suited for grappling like jiu jitsu and sambo. its the ones who are good at both that you have to watch out for.
Fair enough. I just didnt get how changing the profile would make my comment shallow. Anyways much respects for being kind and making a good point. Good luck
Basically, as I see it, there are 2 types of TKD. the sports style, and the actual fighting TKD. the sport style TKD is basically large impressive kicks, not meant to be used in an actual fight against other trained martial artists. This TKD is seen alot more. But the real, older, and more aggressive TKD is the one meant to be used in fights. It has combinations of kicks AND punches, and is sort of like a complex blend of Kung Fu and Karate, except just with a heavier reliance on kicks.
Feet are meant to keep you standing, like the roots of a tree. The advantage in using kicks is that your leg strikes are much more powerful than your hand strikes, and their range is also longer. . Arms are very versatile, due to how they flex and because they allow you to grab and whatnot. They should be your main defense resource for most cases too, before being used to strike or grapple. . In a nutshell, whether kicks or punches or grapples are better, depends on the fighter and situation.
Ya I took Jiu Jitsu for a while and Muai Thai, although karate has remained my favorite martial art i believe that if you were going to transfer from taekwondo i would then take either aikido or muai thai, just to be a more well rounded fighter. However if you find that you like Jiu Jitsu then definitely go into it. You will always try harder at something you love.
Taekwondo is known for being a kicking style but its fighters usually don't use their hands to punch or block. Kyokushin Karate is known its strong punches and kicks. If the Taekwondo fighter can execute a good kick to the head, he may win; however, if the Kyokushin fighter can get close enough and execute a solid punch to the chest or stomach, the Taekwondo fighter may be finished. The fight could go either way, but its definitely a deficit for a style's fighter to rely primarily on legs and not use his or her hands.
I took TKD for 3 years and in my experience I can tell each you that they do teach you to keep up your guard but when you have to perform kicks like that you have to drop your guard this is why they teach you to be fast. Most of TKD kicks are meant to be powerful and fast you get slammed in the face with one of these kicks I damn well guarantee that you will feel it and you will probable eat some teeth while your at it. Each art has its own merit it is not the are thats flawed its the person
Great video! This genuinely displays the effectiveness of the respective arts! I absolutely agree with Pedro above in saying there is no bad martial art, just bad practicioners. Each art has proven their effectiveness time and time again each have the fundamental strong points as well as their weak points it is up to the will of the praticioner to minimize those flaws or improve upon them. In the end no one is immune to a well place shot that jolts the equlibrium! Which is better? They both are!
I've done both. Kyokushin prepares you more mentally and physically. The idea is to take punishment and keep going on. I found that once you get used to pain, you take control of fear and your able to push yourself physically to the edge. Gear and gloves makes you too mentally reliant on them in a confrontation. No gear, I'm ready inside or outside the dojo. Advantage Kyokushin. Osu!!!
TKD was my first martial art... the montage of TKD footage in this video is accurate. 90% KICKING. Offense, kicking, speed, power. Yet, Karate of any kind, I feel is so much better. It takes more time for discipline, defense, and patience as well as power and speed kicking like in TKD. I still am glad I took TKD first instead of Karate, due to me appreciating all the offense I learned from it, but as I got into other martial arts, I realized everything I was taught in TKD didn't count for as-
the reason a lot of TKD practitioners don't keep their hands up is so you boxers charge in recklessly, the side kick is one the first kicks you learn in TKD its also one of the strongest kicks, that force along with your own momentum = broken ribs. or we can use the spinning back kick. or axe kick. i also thai box, but if i was going to fight a random person on the street i would definitely use my kicks from TKD to catch him off guard, its worked before.
I agree. I haven't practiced in years, but yet I've won tournaments. I just notice a huge lack of blocks, with a counter attack follow up. I see good foot work, but no protection. They are concentrating more on show it seems. But good judges like seeing you use your hands too. Maybe that's what helped me win at least. I was taught to use my feet to my advantage, but to defend myself in a practical manner. Use hands to throw off kicks, and counter attack after blocking.
I'm just reflecting on what I've learned, not disrespecting any martial art. TKD is one of the most popular martial arts in America and, I think, China. SO many ads for it and so many schools for it are all over the place to the point where mothers often say "Hey, I should get my kid into one of those karate classes" without knowing it is not too defensive, usually, but rather about offensive kicking.. it is still helpful to those kids, though. But my TKD got me hurt against other styles.hehe
I've studied Taekwondo and and Enshin Karate (which is an offshoot of Kyokushin, and I agree that in general Kyokushin is more effective. However, many Taekwondo schools who practice older traditions, and have stayed away from the sport aspect could still be considered a 'hard art' and pretty effective.
amen to that :p there's a lot of people saying one style is better than the other. styles just give the wielder certain advantages, and are different, but it's effectiveness is defined by the practitioner
I don't know about taekwondo, but since i learned little about taekwondo for 1 year and it focus in kicks my life training in shourin ryu showed how defense counter karate can be useful to a opponent with fast movements.
In a street fight I would rather face TKD (if I had to) but, as a sport BOTH Karate and TKD are really cool. I love aspects of all martial arts, changed my life.
we do block, but not that much because its best to evade and counter rather than let your arms get beat up. Also blocking can become habitual and your opponent can use that to set you up for failure, i.e. he can get you comfortable with blocking and guarding your torso and when you think the kick is coming to that area, fake and go for a head shot.
All martial arts has pros and cons and advantages and disadvantages. I learned Judo, Jujitsu, Karate and Aikido during my college days. Even before the onset of UFC and now MMA, a lot of my colleagues knows more than one technique. That's the reason why MMA is now the present and future fighting skills. Combining all the best styles and technique even boxing, TKD ,Muay Thai and wrestling. It gives you the advantage even in close range , with distance fighting, ground fight etc. But we all go back to basic which you love most. Either you spar with Kyokushin style, Shotokan, and some new methods like Enshin and Ashihara.
Also, a tornado kick i witnessed in a match was executed to a person in which was put in hospital. Each kick can knock you out - any attack can. - even afew jabs can make you dizzy.
choose karate, more power, fight smart, cut kick to the leg = done. choose tkd, speed, jumping around like kids. choose muay thai over both styles. knee, elbow, punch, kick, smart, and play like kids = has it all in one.
i did practice tae kwon do for six years before i could no longer afford to go and screwed my knee up which required long recovery. specifically jhoon rhee tae kwon do under master mcorry, a student of grandmaster jhoon rhee and a great man himself as well. he was quite a good master and all of my mentors were great teachers. it cost me 100 dollars a week to go thus why i couldnt afford it. i studied at one of the best schools around, and what is the best in my area hands down.
You're welcome. I trained different kinds of martial arts, but my dominant one is Kung Fu, Wing Chun. i'm just fascinated with martial arts that i read them and watch them on here. i just don't understand why people are so up their butt about the martial art they train is better than others.
Heres the thing. Karate is not a form of martial art it is just a meaning for self defense. Taekwondo is karate too you know. Thats why in The Karate Kid 2010 the boy was learning kung fu in china because he is learning self defense.
The real problem is there are still people that think one style is definitively better than another when it almost always comes down to the practitioner.
i love taekwondo so much its wonderful speed power beautiful kicks .I also enjoy watching kyokushin karate so much tradition and focus . Martial arts is truly a beautiful thing especially with high level athletes
The first thing I notice about Takwondo is that they find themselves on the floor a lot more often than with karate, obviously they spend a lot more time off of the ground... Can't help but feel it's a bit of a disadvantage, although some of the kicks such as the quick left, right ones LOOK awesome!
TKD is a descendant of Shotokan Karate developed by Choi Hong Hi who combined elements of Taekkyeon and Shotokan karate to create a martial art that he called Taekwon-Do.
it's not about the style, it's about the user. A rookie at Karate doesn't stand a chance again a TKD master, but that doesn't mean Karate is weaker than TKD ;)
The Taekwondo you are speaking of is WTF style or what you see in the Olympics, and is an "imitator" or copy of original Taekwon-Do, in that they only stole the name. ITF style Taekwon-Do is the original art which was developed and named by General Choi Hong, and has it's origins from Taekyon, a Korean style kicking martial art, and Shotokan Karate. ITF Taekwon-Do is very traditional and uses hands as well, and we also practice self-defense. I am an ITF instructor by the way.
Olympic taekwondo's kicks leave you off balance, their base is a wobbling jelly. Karate's kicks won't off balance you, Karate is as stable as the foundations of a home
that's true, in my Karate dojo there is one guy who trained for a long time in TKD, and in fights he always has his guard down, the sensei's always tell him
wow.... is that seriously how you think? I studied TKD for 12 years, JKD for 5, Jiu Jitsu for 3 years and a little bit of Karate from a friend of mine who is a master in Kyokushin. The "Jumping Around" is to stay in rhythm and makes your kicks more unpredictable. In JKD, Bruce Lee jump around to make his kicks and punches more elusive and unpredictable. There are no martial arts better than the other one, it depends on the dedication and determination of the martial artist.
If you want to train your legs to be incredibly effective defensive tools, tkd is probably the best martial art out there to train in seriously for this purpose. It was originally developed so the Korean militia could kick riders off of their horses, so of course the legs are busy (there's hardly ever much punching in tkd sparring). Karate, Kajukenbo, or boxing would be a great investment to train punching skills. Of course there's grappling and groundwork too, but that's a different story! haha
the down side is no matter how you spin in TKD's primary strength is our kicking which only takes us so far. think of it like a windmill, if you throw a cog in the wheel the rotations tops. the design of many styles is to be that cog. so as such our style is inefficient in its own right but if you take time to work a style with inside fighting it balances out. for that reason i took up aikido as my second style.
as someone who has trained in both styles, I will say this: Kyokushin is a little more practical in real fights. but I would be lying if I said WTF Taekwondo hasn't helped me as well. my instructor supplements Kyokushin's lack of head defense with boxing. overall, Kyokushin gives better conditioning and variety, but WTF Taekwondo did way more for me in terms of footwork, agility and timing. I have thoroughly enjoyed both arts, but people really need to get off their high horse about which martial art is "better"
i often miss it now that my knee is healed i wish to return but i am now so out of practice i would need at least a year of refresher before i could get back to where i had been. you are correct however, most people believe tae kwon do is all kicking but do not know the finer details of the style themselves. however, as a person who has studied it i also udnerstand it has an inherent weakness if a person can counter it properly.
I've actually done both martial arts, when I was 8 yrs old I did Kyokushin karate and I reached blue belt but then from Lithuania I moved to England and here I do Taekwondo. I think that Taekwondo is better though :)
i prefer taekwondo because i like fighting with speed. but those Karate-ka's are tough as nails! It makes me want to learn their style just for the body training to be as tough as them while using the TKD speed i have.
All the hate comments people get real. I practice TKD but i also did karate. All fighting styles are strong, depends on the fighter. Although i'm more of a tkd guy i know both advantages an disadvatages. TKD's have more speed and kicks. Karate has more punches and hardness. Believe me it's an endless discussion. But what i have learned is this, and that's from both style instructors: "As soon as you start disrespecting another style, then you'll get cocky and lose" ;-)
Well said!
viktor peters We can close this discussion. Only haters are ethose who have no idea what's going on and the origins of both arts. And your right about TKD, korean karate is mostly kicks and using the legs, Japanese is most hands. But its not (as Bruce Lee said) the style, its the person who masters the style. I've and you too, probably seen a Karateka, beat a TKD, and a TKD beat a Karateka. Hell, didn't a Judo fighter beat a BJJ a few years back. So let them talk. And they'll end up half way training and half way prepared, then get beat by a white belt in whatever. Thanks Viktor for the insight.
Dark Coven
Dark, you're 1000% correct. Thanks for sharing
Kyokushin is really tuff! Teakwondo also requires a lot of energy to execute. I love both sports.
Gabriel Campas Kyokushin is not sport!
It's a martial art but now a days is played with same rules as other martial art competitions so in a sense it is a sport. Not your typical sport mind you, like TaeKwonDo was no sport but now it got made into one.
don't get politically correct on me you know what i meant.
They're martial arts
Tdw is a sports martay arts not koykushin. Koykushin is a real fighting styel
The funny thing is that Mas Oyama is Korean born and was exposed to Tae kyon which is where taek kwon do originated from. Tae kyon ' s techniques are 80% kicking and it moves in rhymic steps. (Search for a video) That is why kyokushin karate has much more kicking than other Karate styles.
Oyama went back home to korea many times, more Than 50 years ago and helped to modernize tae kyon into Taek kwon do. He is one of many founding members of Kukiwon; a national authority that standardized taek kyon into TKD. That is why TKD also has same clothes and belt system and Dan levels. So you can say that Oyama helped to structure modern TKD (there is a news reel video on UA-cam of one of Oyama's many visits to Korea in the 60s. In it; Oyama is referred as Tae Kwon Wong (Tae kwon king).
If Mas Oyama remained in Korea and walked the similar life; I am sure that he would have founded kukjin (korean for kyokushin) Tae Kwon Do☺
I lived in korea in the 70s and practiced TKD for many years until I reached 1st dan black belt. The part of video that shows people practicing kyokushin karate, and their Dae ryun (spar fighting) closely resembles tkd i experienced. It looks and feels almost identical to how TKD was practiced and taugh. It is still like that for the most part. At that time, TKD did not utilize all the safety gear they use now during tournaments.
Now there are two versions of tkd. The original tkd where you train to develop mind snd body, ability to defend yourself as well as defend the helpless. This entails not only physical development but also development of self discipline and righteous morals.
*just as a side note; at that time a emergency technique called "iji kong kwon su" was taught but it was banned in mid 70s due to its viciousness It's literal meaning is: two finger eye attack. A technique designed to gouge out the eye balls of the opponent or at the least injure the eye of the opponent. We were told that this attack should only be used when it'd a life or death situation. There were several other vicious techniques that were taught also; another being the nut squeeze/crunch😨
Another tkd is like what another poster said; sport. This is the type of tkd where mostly younger people train with the goal of winning in tournaments; some with a goal of winning a Olympic medal.
The reason why the sports aspect of tkd focus heavily on high kicks is because the kick to the opponents head is not only effective to knock out an opponent but a well landed kick to the head/face gets the highest point. I believe it's 3 points for kicking opponents head while it only yields 1 point for a blow to the specific area of the body with a fist. If I am not mistaking; a kick to the point yielding area of the body yields 2 points. That is why you see so much more; sometimes in its entirety kicking in TKD tournaments. Both fighters are trying to get as much points as possible and kicking is the logical choice. Also, it is illegal to use fist to strike the face/head.
Because Korea wants to maintain dominance of its national martial arts; the sport TKD is heavily encouraged for the young adults. But if winning medals and trophies are not your goal then you can approach tkd like it was meant to be.
In most non kyokushin karate tournaments, blow to the head with feet or fist is illegal and the only place you can strike to get a point is the chest area and abdomen. That is why Karate fighters cover there body with their arms and it is very difficult to land a clean shot to that area. This makes karate tournaments very boring.
I am not sure what kind of rules are there for kyokushin Karate tournaments so I can't say much about it. Hope somebody who knows about it posts it here....
In conclusion; kyokushin karate and non sports TKD are twins. Both of them are influenced by Mas Oyama, albeit Kyokushin Karate has much more of Mas Oyama's personal touch. I believe kyokushin Karate is a style that was born from the marriage of TKD and other Karate.
As for which is better; you cannot say one style of Martial arts is better than the other. Because the outcome of a fight is determined by the mental fortitude, will, courage physical fitness, and mastery of whatever discipline it is that the martial artist practised. The winner is always the one with stronger above mentioned mental and physical qualities.
thank you for writing this
Oyama was korean but grew up in manchuria where he learned Lo han as a child. Oyama arrived in Japan at the age of 12 with no training in korean striking styles. He had some practice in a form of korean wrestling as a child. Since his death the korean martial arts community have tried to claim Oyama's style as Korean. this never would have happened when he was alive because they would have been corrected. Its like trying to say chuck norris' style is american martial arts because chuck norris is american. My information comes directly from Oyama's family and his first generation students.
TKD is even different now than it was in the 80’s when I started training. It didn’t feel as much of a sport as it does now. It was more planted. Now is too much spinning and jump kicking....
I learn kyokushin in my place same move as other kyokushin around the world and we cannot punch on face but can kick on face. Same as other Karate but for kyokushin we don't need protector or something like that. Every time I'm train and drills I always get a hard punch and explosive kicks( I can't write a better words) . Sometimes I feel it sucks cause why I be like a sandbag😂😂. But me and other disciple just like family. We do to train like kill each other but don't mean to be that. Other than that yeah brutal punch and kick just like meals for us or probably like that
Nice!!! But i hope koreans are more in kyokushin cuzz in my opinion kyokushin is more realistic but no offense there both good in there own style.
both are great but for me ALL IS KYOKUSHIN!!!
Depends on the individual martial artist. How hard they have trained and how determined they are.
Agreed, You have made the only sensible statement on this post.
also the comprehension to the philosophy of martial art from each person.
TKD ITF is better they can ko any type of karate
I'm a Karateka, and I believe TKD is an amazing martial art. Well, was one. Over time it has been sportified and made into something it wasn't meant to be, because as you are probably aware, TKD originally came from Shotokan.
I am a black belt in Taekwondo and Hapkido. I love them both to my heart. I also want to do Kyokushin, because that will help me harden my body all the way around. I do military BJJ for ground and I box for hands. This video is a great representation of both arts. Long live all Martial Artists forever!
Teakwondo : holyshit that's cool stuff, flying kick and all
Kyoukushin karate : are they even human..? not super saiyan or anything?
The real difference stand in the use of "void". TKD (traditional TDK, not this bycicle kick olympic stuff) is very close to Karate. Traditional TKD just switch a little more on the offensive side, Karate focus more on "each maneuver is offensive and defensive too". Just a little. The outcome will probably depend only by the skill of practictioners and by human factors (strenght, nerves, breath and so on), not the nature of the discipline, that at high level become more an instinct than a true form (again, don't look at olympic stuff, please).
Gaspare Burgio you mean TKD ITF the ITF TKD is the real stuff
Yeah. The WTF is the olympic "ballerina" style we usually see, with very strict limits. ITF is the one more close to Karate.
+harry david green what are you people talking about TDK WTF STFU DDT what are all these acronyms, type the word how it is man !!?
aaah ok. Thank for writing this, very much appreciated.
+Kenshiroit i bet you thought WTF is What The F**k, right? :).
TKD is fast and flashy. Kyokushin is powerful and effective.
brian sheehan nonsense
brian sheehan theres a reason TKD is in the Olympics and karate aint
+KelbeeGames actually think again, WTF TKD is in the Olympics but ITF TKD isn't in the Olympics, it's traditional TKD
+KelbeeGames Karate is in the Olympics too dumb ass. The name is WTF.
TKD in the olympics made it even sucks. Sport taekwondo is weak dude, I pity those who practice traditional TKD but got ridiculed becuase of other people turned their martial art into a game of tag, & made it popular
I SUPPORT KYOKUSHIN KARATE "THE WORLD STRONGEST KARATE"...THE BEST MARTIAL ART IN THE WHOLE WORLD...REAL KARATE....REAL KYOKUSHIN...OSU!!!
I think the most strongest karate is kudo
Kyokushin may not the best fighting style, but it's certainly much better than tkd. The tkd fighters can't even stand well, that's why when they kick and the others fight back, they lie on the ground. Kyokushin fighters have balance, they stand well. Like Muay Thai, they have powerful and effective low kicks and they fight well in close-distance, which make the tkd attacks useless in the fight.
Wow... A lot of arguing going on here. It's kind of impossible to say which is better because in the sporting world every style has its own rules. TKD is best known for its kicks but is not limited to just kicks. Kyokushin is more grounded and close combat and full contact and does not punch the face. MMA as the name suggests uses a combination of styles. Muay thai is a devastating art which uses a lot of elbows and knees. It will be near impossible for any MMA fighter to win against a Kyokushin fighter if they fight with Kyokushin kumite rules. Same applies for all styles. I don't really think there is "a best" out of any style. Just like a car, it depends on who is behind the wheel and what road its on.
In the real world.. well no one can say what will happen.
It is true though, Kyokushin is the strongest Karate. OSU!
***** well said comrad
***** Most kyokushin dojo don't practise jissen kumite anymore, that is a miskate.
der krokodil Thanks mate :)
lakshen47 I am not sure which dojo you go to but all proper Kyokushin Dojos practice full contact fighting in their tournaments and senior gradings. It is optional to wear protective gear such as gloves, shin pads and head gear when training (Some dojos recommend it) and junior tournaments. Kids tournaments use protective gear as a principal. You can watch Kyokushin tournaments on youtube. I belong to a Shinkyokushin dojo in Australia and all our tournaments include full contact fighting. So I am not mistaken.
***** Yes we practise full contact of course, the tournament style.
Real jissen kumite has no rules, punches and elbows to the head is allowed, scratching and biting too if you are so inclined or kicks to the groin.
They are both very great martial arts but you can't judge the martial art what is better , judge the player
kyokushin ruins taekwondo but taekwondo is beautiful
Boondock Saint You do understand that WTF taekwondo is meant to be fought as a sport right? Olympic style, sport tkd. Calling it "ballet" just because they don't use their hands is...well...stupid.
Also, i practice WTF taekwondo, and I do use my hands. I'm not one of those tall, flashy, spinny fighters. It comes down to the individual.
My point is simply that the WTF variant is a sport. Like boxing, which uses only punches. Understand?
Boondock Saint The bodypad is so the judges can hear if the kick hits your opponent well or not, if it doesnt sounds for quite a bit you will not get a point, the pad itself doesnt help against the pain that much at all.
taekwondow prepara vc para campeonatos karate kyokushin prepara vc para os combates reais onde so um sobrevive daí vcs tiram beleza nao tem aver o negocio e a eficiencia
just because you can't take a round kick to the body without crumbling doesn't mean someone else can't.
Kyokushin has some pretty good sparring techniques, the whole punching trees and beating the crap out of each other during training. Personally I don't think any fighting style is better than another, the fighter is always more important than the technique.
TKD = The Ballet of Martial Arts
Shokei Matsui would wipe the floor with those teakwondo fighters from the first part.
空手は元々、日本の沖縄が発祥です。
日本（本州）が沖縄を攻めた時に素手や、農具や木の棒で沖縄の人たちは戦いました。
故に空手は、殺人のための”格闘技”です。
テコンドーと空手は全く性質が違います。
テコンドーはただのスポーツなので、空手と比べてほしくありません。
日本の格闘技だと思ってテコンドーを始めてしまった外国人の方々には気の毒ですが、テコンドーは日本のスポーツではありません。
日本は、本州が柔道、沖縄が空手のルーツです。
Taekwondo is maden by this reason that to save people and protect themself.
but karate isn't. Just for attack. I think taekwondo is better ever.
Taekwondo all the way. The fact that the preferred form of competition sparring is MAINLY kicks (body punches are allowed, not counted for points, but a great tactic for throwing off balance to destroy them with a back kick), doesn't mean that it isn't an absolutely complete martial art. Remember, it was FORMED to be the martial art used to liberate a country.. And it's done nothing but transform and tune ever since. Karate is an incredible martial art as well. Very focused on power. I think it would be a great fight between two experienced masters. I happen to prefer Taekwondo. However, I did learn some karate though
Taekwondo = sport, Kyokushin = Martial art
So a sport is better at fighting than your martial art? Pretty sad
WTF tkd=sport.....itf tkd=martial arts. Get it right mate that Olympic crap is not traditional tkd they don't even use hands. Tkd means "the art of kicking and punching"
Pete Cash WTF does punching. Just not to the head. Kyokushin does not do punching to the head either.
WTF Taekwondo = FULL CONTACT MARTIAL ART.
ITF is light-contact!! It's not even fighting. And official sparring matches stop after every point, it's ridiculous. Also WTF practioners are 10x better kickers than ITF ones.
Wrong wrong and wrong, our techniques are far superior and more powerful. Granted WTF is fast but their kicks are not affective. As for point score n stop, where u get that from!? Our comps are run same as kickboxing rounds u dimwit. Try using Google once in a while n look up facts before making yourself look silly on here.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
karate is the best..............shokei matsu all the best.
Remember that teakwondo isn't only kicks. What you see is the olympic teakwood.
HWOARANG WINS!
Tkd vs Kyokushin I wont do comparison between this two but Tkd vs Wrestling styles like Judo, I think it will be very difficult for Tkd fighter. Wrestling means grappling and putting down. All those brilliant kicks wont come to your aid there.
Or you could say grapplings not going to help you dodge getting kicked in the head lol.
Calvin Stewart los jiu jitsu brasileros los gracie vencieron a todos los taekwondo , fui instructor de taekwondo y las patadas no nokean un luchador fuerte como kikushin o muay tay es un estilo agil de piernas pero nada mas y se lo q es tkd lo entrene y lo enseñe recomiendo entrenarlo solo 2 años intensamente solo para patadas y dejarlo sin dejar de entrenar un estilo de contacto pleno como kikbox o kiokushi mex con judo y brasilian jiu jitsu, no es bueno atarse aun estilo pierdes aprender muchas cosas
Translate didn't work very well but... all I can say is one of my friends (korean) took TKD for 9 years. He is easily the most badass person I know. He once took on 6 very athletic guys at once and intimidated the others away.
si aveces la psicologia funciona de todas maneras se defendio sin pelear que es lo ideal
Agree
A long before I got my first BB, I've fought several TKD blackbelts on separate occasions, and they all had the same holes in their art. I wiped the floor with every one of them. One truly effective rang. No effective hands or grappling. Those beautiful spinning/aerial motions that result in being completely off balance and face down as soon as you close. I love fighting TKD BBs - they have no respect for any other art, and no skills except kicking. Ground game is hilarious fun with them.
taekwondo is just flashy..... and wastes lots of energy
+jander korda Not if you aim your kick right and end the fight in a couple of seconds
Not ITF Taekwondo -- it is the traditional form, which I think is much better balanced and practical, without the flashiness
+Genners111 yup
I personally prefer kyokushin.
dude no joke i have extreme difficulty with aikido users. i always have. that is why i plan to go and start aikido this coming summer. my buddy from work has been doing ti for awhile and told me about where he trains and i plan to take a trip and sign up for the summer. it will be amazing to get back into martial arts again. it was an important factor in my life that undeniably changed who i am and rpevented me from falling through the cracks and becoming another delinquent.
TKD is very weak
Koreans never had fighters like samurai in the history. This is why they jump around where as Karate fighters do not try to kick as much since they know in a real fight, when they fail to kick and lye on the ground, that is the time they will die.
Koreans learnt Karate from Japanese and rename it to TKD: they never used it in real fights.
TKD has 2 arts that it has lineage in, Taekkyeon and Shotokan, in ancient times Korean warriors called Hwarang were trained in Taekkyeon and other arts. After the war TKD was established and Shotokan was a main inspiration, which is why many patterns resemble or have parts of Shotokan like kata, from what I've read many of the original Korean masters of TKD were students of Shotokan aswell, so TKD's lineage in its form now isn't that old.
look at all tkd.. al fancy kicks and shit. in real combat, they are easy to grab.
I do tkd, and no, the kicks are far from easy to catch and reverse
T0xicRouge they are, and they are slower than punches though powerful. tkd knockouts are cool on its sport but what if you have an enemies who's got his hand up to his head? tsk tsk
Then you kick to the stomach, its just so simple :)
trust me, the kicks would also plow right through your arm, it has happened to me before XD.
T0xicRouge
they are slower than a punch, and requires too much energy
Yes i can , I learn Martial Arts not to fight but to learn as much that I can. Every one has his own goal and vision in Martial arts . That 's what makes Martial Arts so beautiful to study. There is so much to see and to learn as long that a person is open minded and respectful.
I like how alot of people post things about either being useless or one being superior. In reality most of those people probably never even took up learning martial arts and are more than likely just spectators...i really comes down to the person and how well trained they are and if they can adapt any much more.
+JIMBO SLICE I trained taekwondo for 6 years and it has been soooooooo cool and fun. Taekwondo is a LOT better than karate because it has way more power,agility and precise. Karate is just a piece of shit
That late 80s and early 90s chest guard were Nostalgic 😭😔
You could say that. It gets into real depth because it is an art but most of them are short clips and most of them are showing power kicks, which in a competition some sacrifice their balance for winning blows, thus getting caught on their back foot when their plan fails.
Let's try this again. In the video, if you can notice, the main reason so many of the TKD fighters were KO'd was because their hands were not raised high enough to deflect or redirect the kicks aimed for their heads. If their hands had been fulfilling their protective role (for leaving them at your sides had few advantages), the TKD fighters would not have received as many kicks directly to the head. Therefore, if said hands were raised to about chin level, there would not be so many sudden KOs.
Excellent video, totally impartial. Are you journalist? Or both are your favorite.
+진업 김
Sir
Tae Kwon Do(跆拳道) was formed in the 1950s and became the national sport of South Korea later on.
Kyokushin brings more to the table, from solid upper body punching attacks, blocks and equally impressive kicks to legs, body and head, they also keep the form and are solidly rooted on the ground always with a great stance...It's an art for all out war....
ITF original style TKD was created in 1955 by General Choi Hong Hi. TKD is a hybrid martial art consisting of Shotokan, Taekkyon and Subak-gi with some Judo and Hapkido joint locking techniques added to round out the art. All these elements, combined with scientific theories make for a very unique and powerful martial art. ITF Taekwon-do is VERY much a combat martial art, don't let Olympic style WTF fool you. Look up videos for ITF North Korea demo team to see how powerful it is.
Why do the most compare this with that ?
Just practice the sport you love and enjoy life .
Do not put down another sport.
Everybody is different and choose what he or she love to do ..
I did Taekwondo for 8 years and now I practice Kickboxing..
I do not compare them I practice them with joy and learn everyday.
That 's what sport is for
Respect for everybody
I do taekwondo, with that said, it's not the style you practice but the degree at which you personally train, the teachers are there to open the door it's up to you on how far you wanna go in.
Great story :-) Good luck with the Aikido though, my only advice would be to come with an empty mind, start afresh. Good luck!
i've done taekwondo and I'm learning Kyo' Karate right now....taekwondo like some people have commented is a really good sport and teaches you good techniques specially when it comes to kicking it also requires you to be in really good shape.....Kyo' Karate on the other hand is just rough like really rough, even a friendly sparring match is rough when it comes to Kyo' Karate.
LOL just seen the 2nd half! lol. much more like it....thanks.
la cancion del karate kiokushin me recuerda al mortal kombat theme!!jajaj debe ser por q es lectro o techno.saludos!!gran video!!!
I'm training shotokan karate for 10 years now and last 2 years i started taekwondo. AND I LOVE IT BOTH.
In martial arts the style you choose has very little to do with the actual fight. Its the person you are fighting, not the style of martial arts you have learned. A black belt in Karate may be just as skilled in fighting as a street fighter on the corner.
i partially agree with Pedro Puntel, except its not just about the best practioner but the best schools as well. The best fighters did not get to where they are with out the great instructors that helped get them there. its also about what style or school is best for you. Some individuals are naturally better at striking based styles like karate, muay thai etc, and others are better suited for grappling like jiu jitsu and sambo. its the ones who are good at both that you have to watch out for.
Fair enough. I just didnt get how changing the profile would make my comment shallow. Anyways much respects for being kind and making a good point.
Good luck
Basically, as I see it, there are 2 types of TKD. the sports style, and the actual fighting TKD.
the sport style TKD is basically large impressive kicks, not meant to be used in an actual fight against other trained martial artists. This TKD is seen alot more. But the real, older, and more aggressive TKD is the one meant to be used in fights. It has combinations of kicks AND punches, and is sort of like a complex blend of Kung Fu and Karate, except just with a heavier reliance on kicks.
. impressive..! So speedy kick.
His fast movements drove the other guy to distraction.
Feet are meant to keep you standing, like the roots of a tree. The advantage in using kicks is that your leg strikes are much more powerful than your hand strikes, and their range is also longer.
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Arms are very versatile, due to how they flex and because they allow you to grab and whatnot. They should be your main defense resource for most cases too, before being used to strike or grapple.
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In a nutshell, whether kicks or punches or grapples are better, depends on the fighter and situation.
Ya I took Jiu Jitsu for a while and Muai Thai, although karate has remained my favorite martial art i believe that if you were going to transfer from taekwondo i would then take either aikido or muai thai, just to be a more well rounded fighter. However if you find that you like Jiu Jitsu then definitely go into it. You will always try harder at something you love.
Oh my god teen years later i love that shit thats was my chillhood
Taekwondo is known for being a kicking style but its fighters usually don't use their hands to punch or block. Kyokushin Karate is known its strong punches and kicks. If the Taekwondo fighter can execute a good kick to the head, he may win; however, if the Kyokushin fighter can get close enough and execute a solid punch to the chest or stomach, the Taekwondo fighter may be finished. The fight could go either way, but its definitely a deficit for a style's fighter to rely primarily on legs and not use his or her hands.
I took TKD for 3 years and in my experience I can tell each you that they do teach you to keep up your guard but when you have to perform kicks like that you have to drop your guard this is why they teach you to be fast. Most of TKD kicks are meant to be powerful and fast you get slammed in the face with one of these kicks I damn well guarantee that you will feel it and you will probable eat some teeth while your at it. Each art has its own merit it is not the are thats flawed its the person
Kyokushin is what Taekwondo was supposed to be but went the other way around.
Great video! This genuinely displays the effectiveness of the respective arts! I absolutely agree with Pedro above in saying there is no bad martial art, just bad practicioners. Each art has proven their effectiveness time and time again each have the fundamental strong points as well as their weak points it is up to the will of the praticioner to minimize those flaws or improve upon them. In the end no one is immune to a well place shot that jolts the equlibrium! Which is better? They both are!
I've done both. Kyokushin prepares you more mentally and physically. The idea is to take punishment and keep going on. I found that once you get used to pain, you take control of fear and your able to push yourself physically to the edge. Gear and gloves makes you too mentally reliant on them in a confrontation. No gear, I'm ready inside or outside the dojo. Advantage Kyokushin. Osu!!!
TKD was my first martial art... the montage of TKD footage in this video is accurate. 90% KICKING. Offense, kicking, speed, power. Yet, Karate of any kind, I feel is so much better. It takes more time for discipline, defense, and patience as well as power and speed kicking like in TKD. I still am glad I took TKD first instead of Karate, due to me appreciating all the offense I learned from it, but as I got into other martial arts, I realized everything I was taught in TKD didn't count for as-
Any good teacher tells their students that self defence requires different strategies and techniques. They also teach respect.
the reason a lot of TKD practitioners don't keep their hands up is so you boxers charge in recklessly, the side kick is one the first kicks you learn in TKD its also one of the strongest kicks, that force along with your own momentum = broken ribs.
or we can use the spinning back kick. or axe kick.
i also thai box, but if i was going to fight a random person on the street i would definitely use my kicks from TKD to catch him off guard, its worked before.
I agree. I haven't practiced in years, but yet I've won tournaments. I just notice a huge lack of blocks, with a counter attack follow up. I see good foot work, but no protection. They are concentrating more on show it seems. But good judges like seeing you use your hands too. Maybe that's what helped me win at least. I was taught to use my feet to my advantage, but to defend myself in a practical manner. Use hands to throw off kicks, and counter attack after blocking.
I'm just reflecting on what I've learned, not disrespecting any martial art.
TKD is one of the most popular martial arts in America and, I think, China. SO many ads for it and so many schools for it are all over the place to the point where mothers often say "Hey, I should get my kid into one of those karate classes" without knowing it is not too defensive, usually, but rather about offensive kicking..
it is still helpful to those kids, though.
But my TKD got me hurt against other styles.hehe
I've studied Taekwondo and and Enshin Karate (which is an offshoot of Kyokushin, and I agree that in general Kyokushin is more effective. However, many Taekwondo schools who practice older traditions, and have stayed away from the sport aspect could still be considered a 'hard art' and pretty effective.
It depends on where and why you learn. Today, too many people do it for fun, not as a combat form.
amen to that :p there's a lot of people saying one style is better than the other. styles just give the wielder certain advantages, and are different, but it's effectiveness is defined by the practitioner
I don't know about taekwondo, but since i learned little about taekwondo for 1 year and it focus in kicks my life training in shourin ryu showed how defense counter karate can be useful to a opponent with fast movements.
In a street fight I would rather face TKD (if I had to) but, as a sport BOTH Karate and TKD are really cool. I love aspects of all martial arts, changed my life.
we do block, but not that much because its best to evade and counter rather than let your arms get beat up. Also blocking can become habitual and your opponent can use that to set you up for failure, i.e. he can get you comfortable with blocking and guarding your torso and when you think the kick is coming to that area, fake and go for a head shot.
All martial arts has pros and cons and advantages and disadvantages. I learned Judo, Jujitsu, Karate and Aikido during my college days. Even before the onset of UFC and now MMA, a lot of my colleagues knows more than one technique. That's the reason why MMA is now the present and future fighting skills. Combining all the best styles and technique even boxing, TKD ,Muay Thai and wrestling. It gives you the advantage even in close range , with distance fighting, ground fight etc. But we all go back to basic which you love most. Either you spar with Kyokushin style, Shotokan, and some new methods like Enshin and Ashihara.
Having trained in ITF, WTF and Shukokai (Kyokushin derivative), I have to say that I love them all. It's horses for courses.
Also, a tornado kick i witnessed in a match was executed to a person in which was put in hospital. Each kick can knock you out - any attack can. - even afew jabs can make you dizzy.
choose karate, more power, fight smart, cut kick to the leg = done.
choose tkd, speed, jumping around like kids.
choose muay thai over both styles. knee, elbow, punch, kick, smart, and play like kids = has it all in one.
i did practice tae kwon do for six years before i could no longer afford to go and screwed my knee up which required long recovery. specifically jhoon rhee tae kwon do under master mcorry, a student of grandmaster jhoon rhee and a great man himself as well. he was quite a good master and all of my mentors were great teachers. it cost me 100 dollars a week to go thus why i couldnt afford it. i studied at one of the best schools around, and what is the best in my area hands down.
You're welcome. I trained different kinds of martial arts, but my dominant one is Kung Fu, Wing Chun. i'm just fascinated with martial arts that i read them and watch them on here. i just don't understand why people are so up their butt about the martial art they train is better than others.
This style of Karate is true full contact fighting style like all the other Karate full-contact spinoffs.
So it's a bit comparing Apples vs.Oranges...
Heres the thing. Karate is not a form of martial art it is just a meaning for self defense. Taekwondo is karate too you know. Thats why in The Karate Kid 2010 the boy was learning kung fu in china because he is learning self defense.
what i learn from kyokushin is discipline, attitude, and respect
The real problem is there are still people that think one style is definitively better than another when it almost always comes down to the practitioner.
i love taekwondo so much its wonderful speed power beautiful kicks .I also enjoy watching kyokushin karate so much tradition and focus . Martial arts is truly a beautiful thing especially with high level athletes
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The first thing I notice about Takwondo is that they find themselves on the floor a lot more often than with karate, obviously they spend a lot more time off of the ground... Can't help but feel it's a bit of a disadvantage, although some of the kicks such as the quick left, right ones LOOK awesome!
TKD is a descendant of Shotokan Karate developed by Choi Hong Hi who combined elements of Taekkyeon and Shotokan karate to create a martial art that he called Taekwon-Do.
it's not about the style, it's about the user. A rookie at Karate doesn't stand a chance again a TKD master, but that doesn't mean Karate is weaker than TKD ;)
The Taekwondo you are speaking of is WTF style or what you see in the Olympics, and is an "imitator" or copy of original Taekwon-Do, in that they only stole the name. ITF style Taekwon-Do is the original art which was developed and named by General Choi Hong, and has it's origins from Taekyon, a Korean style kicking martial art, and Shotokan Karate. ITF Taekwon-Do is very traditional and uses hands as well, and we also practice self-defense. I am an ITF instructor by the way.
Victory or defeat depends entirely on the pugilist; not the martial form.
Olympic taekwondo's kicks leave you off balance, their base is a wobbling jelly. Karate's kicks won't off balance you, Karate is as stable as the foundations of a home
that's true, in my Karate dojo there is one guy who trained for a long time in TKD, and in fights he always has his guard down, the sensei's always tell him
wow.... is that seriously how you think? I studied TKD for 12 years, JKD for 5, Jiu Jitsu for 3 years and a little bit of Karate from a friend of mine who is a master in Kyokushin. The "Jumping Around" is to stay in rhythm and makes your kicks more unpredictable. In JKD, Bruce Lee jump around to make his kicks and punches more elusive and unpredictable. There are no martial arts better than the other one, it depends on the dedication and determination of the martial artist.
If you want to train your legs to be incredibly effective defensive tools, tkd is probably the best martial art out there to train in seriously for this purpose. It was originally developed so the Korean militia could kick riders off of their horses, so of course the legs are busy (there's hardly ever much punching in tkd sparring). Karate, Kajukenbo, or boxing would be a great investment to train punching skills. Of course there's grappling and groundwork too, but that's a different story! haha
the down side is no matter how you spin in TKD's primary strength is our kicking which only takes us so far. think of it like a windmill, if you throw a cog in the wheel the rotations tops. the design of many styles is to be that cog. so as such our style is inefficient in its own right but if you take time to work a style with inside fighting it balances out. for that reason i took up aikido as my second style.
as someone who has trained in both styles, I will say this: Kyokushin is a little more practical in real fights. but I would be lying if I said WTF Taekwondo hasn't helped me as well. my instructor supplements Kyokushin's lack of head defense with boxing. overall, Kyokushin gives better conditioning and variety, but WTF Taekwondo did way more for me in terms of footwork, agility and timing. I have thoroughly enjoyed both arts, but people really need to get off their high horse about which martial art is "better"
i often miss it now that my knee is healed i wish to return but i am now so out of practice i would need at least a year of refresher before i could get back to where i had been. you are correct however, most people believe tae kwon do is all kicking but do not know the finer details of the style themselves. however, as a person who has studied it i also udnerstand it has an inherent weakness if a person can counter it properly.
I've actually done both martial arts, when I was 8 yrs old I did Kyokushin karate and I reached blue belt but then from Lithuania I moved to England and here I do Taekwondo. I think that Taekwondo is better though :)
i prefer taekwondo because i like fighting with speed. but those Karate-ka's are tough as nails! It makes me want to learn their style just for the body training to be as tough as them while using the TKD speed i have.