If I'm the owners, and this league has never made money... Not even this yr, where the league lost $40 million... I just shut the league down... No more losing money... No more dealing with super-entitled players... No more none of that... Just shut it down and let them try to run their own league.
New TV deal coming And their league is in a much better place than it was 5 years ago. As a union, you should ask for more now rather than being locked in to a contract that’ll makes less sense for you as time goes
Great subject David...it's relevant because the lockout could possibly happen & would potentially stop any momentum that this league has gained this past season. That would be potentially fatal for the league.
I follow the WNBA but if it's gone I won't miss it. If there is a work stopage by the players I won't miss it. The WNBA players are over playing their hand.
When you look up "hypocrisy" in the dictionary, there is a new example in the definition: WNBPA. At best they stood silently by all season as players who are card carrying members of the WNBPA hated on CC, cheap shotted her and even tried to gouge her eye out and then blamed her for the backlash that arose from their hate. But now they have the audacity to put up her numbers, her sold out arenas, her sold out merchandise and lay claim to it to demand more money. Absolutely disgusting.
The players need to have this FAFO moment. The WNBA is a losing financial proposition. Let them incur the debt as well as their salaries. This joke of a business would fold over night
Talk about bitting the Hand the that Feeds you. Every Dollar they have received for the last 30 years has been chairity. People in Hell want Ice Water. Aint nothing wrong with Wanting.
The Women’s National Basketball Association (WNBA) is set to lose $40 million this season and the National Basketball Association (NBA) won’t see any returns from the league for the foreseeable future, according to the New York Post.
Anonymous so-called sources talking s***. Not one single insider has claimed publicly that the WNBA has lost a dime since Adam Silver in 2018. Who remembers that the NBA claimed that they were losing 300 million dollars a year in the lead up to the 2011 lockout? The desire to s*** on these women is too strong to need any actual evidence.
@@weatherlou Yes, I think that may be part of it, but women’s leagues have been dropped before. They could’ve dropped it a while back and today no one would remember enough to care.
So a lockout means NBA will save money. This year NBA lost around 40 million to WNBA. That money could have been used to increase funding on NBA Grassroots in Africa.
The problem with all labor disputes is that no one is willing to give transparent financial information. If it all was transparent, it would be obvious to everyone what is "fair". But anyone paying attention is going to hear the WNBA numbers, and the WNBPA numbers, which will shockingly not agree.
Agreed. They are in a not-for-profit league where the owners absorb millions in losses every year for PR purposes. Why? The owners want to appear woke enough so that it has a benefit to the NBA. "We care about women's professional basketball so much that we'll fund it at a loss." None of the owners would take this measure if they didn't have the ability to cover their WNBA losses with their NBA profits. Are there any WNBA teams NOT owned by an NBA owner (or adjoining professional sports owner since Las Vegas Aces doesn't have an NBA franchise and is owned by the Raiders owners)???
According to AI, The Women's National Basketball Association (WNBA) has a complex ownership structure, with the NBA owning 50% of the league and the remaining 50% split between independent groups and NBA-affiliated teams.
This isn’t worth debating until actual numbers are made public. Otherwise the conversation will just be about longstanding gender issues in society rather than the actual performance of the sport as a product. No one is questioning the talent or effort, but if you are asking for more when ownership is not taking in a profit, you are likely going to be out of a job. If the owners are withholding more than they let on then all the power to the players in this move. But trying to debate this as it is right now is a futile exercise.
Well, a generalization that applies to the WNBA. But there are many women who do actually care about facts. Most of them won't watch the disaster called the WNBA because of substandard performance. The NBA is slowly returning to the state of unwatchable just as it was in the 70s. Caitlan Clark is the "Larry Bird" 9f the WNBA. She made it watchable.
Are the WNBA owners smart enough to know that if there’s one benefit to having a league that only loses money, it’s that having a strike will actually *save* you money?
The stakes have never been lower....for everybody involved but the players. Nobody is going to miss a beat if they don't play basketball, unlike the threat of the dockworkers striking.
All the WNBA players should opt out, find some new, preferably wealthy, women investors (no mem, no NBA) and start a new league from scratch. They'll quickly learn a lesson in reality.
Strikes only work if they have value to the point that WNBA wants the players back. This is a good opportunity for WNBA to clean house. Bring back Caitlin Clark and a handful of players. Caitlin Clark and replacement players will make more money.
Did any of the WNBA players get a degreee in business? Their business doesnt make money and yet they demand a raise? The NBA actually makes money if the league doesnt play.
If they lose Clark permanently than the NBA should pull plug on this league if it is accurate they lost 40mil this season. Asking for more money. No thank you.
I have to seriously wonder how much the WNBA is actually losing. The owners of these teams did not make their money by making bad financial decisions. If the losses are real, then why didn’t they just let the league fold, they could say they tried but the fans didn’t support it, now I’m going to cut my losses and invest in something else.
they're prematurely being demanding. the league is at an all time high in popularity but it's going to take years to capitalize on it and become profitable and independent. i want them to get there, i'm pulling for them, but they can't afford to shoot themselves in the foot
The league absolutely sucks They have been loosing money since the day they started 26 years ago Even with CC they still lost money this year Any really good high school boys team would dominate the league
I hope they refuse any offers and walk out. It will give the NBA owners a path to get out from under this money sewer. I liked watching the games, I could live without the politics and imaginary claims of racism.
NBA should just drop the league if they walkout.....let them destroy the league.....sell off the assets take the losses . Then these overprivledged women can either be paid much less here in N.A. or go play in Europe.
This is hilarious. Hil-ar-i-ous. Hilarious. This reality bomb is gonna set the 'she-boss' movement back....forever. Mass effect casualties. Get your Babbel tuned up ladies. Now there's a good marketing link.
LOLOL...they are going to strike because the WNBA lost less then expected!!! Sounds like a great reason to hold out of more money! Obviously, none of the WMBA players graduated with economics degrees!
Let the useless players like Devil Reese walk away, the league would be better without them, they're useless as hell. Caitlin Clark is the true star, even she can't save this garbage fire, when people see how trashy those losers in the league assault her. Let the WNBA fail, they did it to themselves, especially after letting the trash in the league treat their star like trash.
If american investors and owners have so little faith in the product why are they requiring players like sabrina ionescu and caitlin clark to sign contracts to where they cant play anywheres. Why dont they go back to the times where they were constantly having women attempting to enter the nba draft. The pay increase would help the lower tier players but not necessarily players like caitlin clark or aja wilson or even angel reese who are making over a million dollars a year from endorsements alone and that doesnt include appearances that they make or anything else. Caitlin clark just had 2 million signed jerseys sell out in 10 minutes where is that money going? All these record breaking jersey and ticket sells where is all the money at? Something isnt matching up.
If they do walk out, it will be there own ending. NBA owners are not going to let a bunch of entitled black lesbians beat up on a golden goose and get away with it. They lost $40mm this past season and are crying for more, not gonna happen.
I would propose this: since the gals at wnbpa are most likely socialist, I would pay every player exactly the same no matter the stats. Secondly, I would take 50% of the profits (not the revenue mind you) and split it evenly among the players. Let’s see if that improves their attitude towards fans
The league has never made any money they will make money not having the season.the strike will not work they will have to take a pay cut. No body watches anyway😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
I agree. That’s why they should wait until next season is underway to see if anything improves. If it doesn’t, they should just lock out the players. Let’s see how long they last.
FIRE ALL THE PLAYERS THAT OPTS OUT! Easy. Pay Caitlin what ever she wants, and just have open tryouts. Guarantee it will still make the same money since everybody just wants to watch Clark anyways. This finally solves all the things we hate about the WNBA. Please make it happen.
the WNBA plays crap ball. I want to like them but I can't. Yea we had a few good games last season but those games were against the fever where if you didn't play a good game you would be smashed. I mean just watch the final playoff games they were crap especially game 5. Who wants to watch that? And now the players think they need a raise! Tell you what quit with the all the drama and actually start to play ball and maybe the viewers will hang around for a game other than a fever game then maybe you can make a profit which in turn will maybe allow you to get paid more but you must pay the owners back as well so you don't get it all.
If i was Catlin id stay in Europe after the way the traeted her now trying to use her popularity and veiws to load there pockets. .if Catlin doesn't play it will show how much people really care about the league 😂😂😂
not very good basketball.. and now proof that there are not very smart either.. the only one was CC and she jumped ship. I'd say, let them walk and shut the league down... one season off and they'll learn that maybe... just maybe... they don't have a clue... maybe they should not have players in key positions..when MLB made huge strikes... who was running the UNION... Marvin Miller and Donald Fehr... neither one ever played a pitch in MLB... they were.. lawyers... and they understood profit and loss.... same with the NFL.. though they are no longer a union... still.. strides won but without players thinking they know better... WNBA... leader.. an active player... everyone in leadership are players.. they don't want to see the other side... only their own. Defining moment... yup... Death of the WNBA.... You can't demand more until the owners are in the black.. and right now..the only ones in the black are the players.... the owners are losing money. that's called in the red. If there was a team that made money, it would have been the Fever.. because had butts in the seats... where the rest of them chased fans away... this entire league is full of players who look at the NBA and think they should have the same deal... except, if they did that with the % of revenue.. I'm betting some players would be playing for McDonalds in the 80's wages...
@@dagobert1234321 The $200M TV Contract is for the Rights to Broadcast WNBA Games starting in 2026. So, if the Owners decide to use Replacement Players then the Owners will still get that Money despite having lesser talented Players in Games.
The owners might be more excited about this opt out than the players.
Yep so they can blame the players for canceling the league lol. It’s a smart move
Imagine walking out when you don't even generate profit
Entitled American women athletes 🤦♂️🚩🚩
If I'm the owners, and this league has never made money... Not even this yr, where the league lost $40 million... I just shut the league down... No more losing money... No more dealing with super-entitled players... No more none of that... Just shut it down and let them try to run their own league.
You know this is heresy and these cry babies will get what they want
WNBA players complain about money…..again. Yet they spent the entire season alienating their most likable player and her fans
Amen
@@PHL1213She doesn’t fit their agenda. They’d rather have be part of the abcd mafia before she’s promoted, even more
Naw. That's a good narrative certain fans enjoy but it's mythology.
@@JPW3 How so?
New TV deal coming And their league is in a much better place than it was 5 years ago. As a union, you should ask for more now rather than being locked in to a contract that’ll makes less sense for you as time goes
Great subject David...it's relevant because the lockout could possibly happen & would potentially stop any momentum that this league has gained this past season. That would be potentially fatal for the league.
Which is a good thing
All the Wnba players hated on Clark but now wants to profit of what she brought to league.
I follow the WNBA but if it's gone I won't miss it. If there is a work stopage by the players I won't miss it. The WNBA players are over playing their hand.
They have 1 decent season in almost 30 years and want instant pay bumps? Lol
They need to go under…asap
thats actually a really good point. a reality check
4 or 5 people are going to be devastated.
3 or 4 were just added this year because of CC!!!
The NBA might be thrilled.
When you look up "hypocrisy" in the dictionary, there is a new example in the definition: WNBPA. At best they stood silently by all season as players who are card carrying members of the WNBPA hated on CC, cheap shotted her and even tried to gouge her eye out and then blamed her for the backlash that arose from their hate. But now they have the audacity to put up her numbers, her sold out arenas, her sold out merchandise and lay claim to it to demand more money. Absolutely disgusting.
NBA getting fed up paying the bills
I just find this so hard to believe that so many players can be so blind to the financial situation
Maybe ur blind
The players need to have this FAFO moment. The WNBA is a losing financial proposition. Let them incur the debt as well as their salaries. This joke of a business would fold over night
Talk about bitting the Hand the that Feeds you. Every Dollar they have received for the last 30 years has been chairity. People in Hell want Ice Water. Aint nothing wrong with Wanting.
I just find this so hard to believe that that many people could be so ignorant of the fact that this is a league in debt heavily.
Bring back roller derby
The Women’s National Basketball Association (WNBA) is set to lose $40 million this season and the National Basketball Association (NBA) won’t see any returns from the league for the foreseeable future, according to the New York Post.
Anonymous so-called sources talking s***. Not one single insider has claimed publicly that the WNBA has lost a dime since Adam Silver in 2018. Who remembers that the NBA claimed that they were losing 300 million dollars a year in the lead up to the 2011 lockout? The desire to s*** on these women is too strong to need any actual evidence.
Refreshing to finally hear someone talk about the business of the WNBA instead of just the recent perception
I like the WNBA. Works great for my insomnia.
Wait a minute. There's a WNBA?
NBA would like nothing more than a reason to drop the WNBA
If that was true, they would have dropped it long time ago. They keep thinking it’s going to turn the corner.
@@September2004turn the corner. Any decade now…
@@September2004that’s a clueless response…it has not since 1997…the reason is, they fear the misogyny label…it is an worthless league.
The NBA will never drop the league due to the optics of the situation. They need to put them at a percentage like the NBA
@@weatherlou Yes, I think that may be part of it, but women’s leagues have been dropped before.
They could’ve dropped it a while back and today no one would remember enough to care.
I think that’s still the biggest challenge. Until financials are shared, there’s no clarity on how this works.
What if somebody held a lockout and nobody cared? I think we'll find out pretty soon.
So a lockout means NBA will save money. This year NBA lost around 40 million to WNBA. That money could have been used to increase funding on NBA Grassroots in Africa.
The problem with all labor disputes is that no one is willing to give transparent financial information. If it all was transparent, it would be obvious to everyone what is "fair". But anyone paying attention is going to hear the WNBA numbers, and the WNBPA numbers, which will shockingly not agree.
All of those are important benefits, but the league is no position to provide them.
Agreed. They are in a not-for-profit league where the owners absorb millions in losses every year for PR purposes. Why? The owners want to appear woke enough so that it has a benefit to the NBA. "We care about women's professional basketball so much that we'll fund it at a loss." None of the owners would take this measure if they didn't have the ability to cover their WNBA losses with their NBA profits. Are there any WNBA teams NOT owned by an NBA owner (or adjoining professional sports owner since Las Vegas Aces doesn't have an NBA franchise and is owned by the Raiders owners)???
According to AI, The Women's National Basketball Association (WNBA) has a complex ownership structure, with the NBA owning 50% of the league and the remaining 50% split between independent groups and NBA-affiliated teams.
The NBA provides the WNBA with an annual endowment of over $15 million to help cover operating costs.
This isn’t worth debating until actual numbers are made public. Otherwise the conversation will just be about longstanding gender issues in society rather than the actual performance of the sport as a product.
No one is questioning the talent or effort, but if you are asking for more when ownership is not taking in a profit, you are likely going to be out of a job. If the owners are withholding more than they let on then all the power to the players in this move. But trying to debate this as it is right now is a futile exercise.
There minus 40millions player have no power in this case
Thriving as a business? Does that mean they made a profit this year without the NBA subsidy?
Women are feelings first then facts/logic second.
Well, a generalization that applies to the WNBA. But there are many women who do actually care about facts. Most of them won't watch the disaster called the WNBA because of substandard performance. The NBA is slowly returning to the state of unwatchable just as it was in the 70s. Caitlan Clark is the "Larry Bird" 9f the WNBA. She made it watchable.
So this is that thing that's always on the front page of ESPN's website? Oh!
Ugly? For what? I'm betting that nobody will even notice.
Are the WNBA owners smart enough to know that if there’s one benefit to having a league that only loses money, it’s that having a strike will actually *save* you money?
The stakes have never been lower....for everybody involved but the players. Nobody is going to miss a beat if they don't play basketball, unlike the threat of the dockworkers striking.
That would be a disaster...... WTF are they doing ....?- they finally JUST became relevant..........................
I don't get how you can complain for more money when you lose money every year.
Self awareness aint this league's forte.
Ogwumike's statement shows zero knowledge of how the business works. Delusional.
Won’t be ugly … because no one is watching
All the WNBA players should opt out, find some new, preferably wealthy, women investors (no mem, no NBA) and start a new league from scratch. They'll quickly learn a lesson in reality.
This would be as impactful as an IRS employee walkout. Only their families will care.
What if a league has a lockout and nobody notices? Is it still a lockout? 🤔🙄
I hope they do lock out let's see how many people notice
Its the WCCNBA 😂😂😂
Wonder if the NBA had issues when they were in the first 25 or so years.
They employ girl math. Too funny.
Strike or lockout could bring an end to the WNBA or at least see teams fold. Team owners can’t afford to lose any more money
Fill all the seats and then get a decent paycheck. I hope they do opt out and the league fails miserably
911? Yes, I'd like to report an attempted suicide. Name? W...N...B...A.
Strikes only work if they have value to the point that WNBA wants the players back. This is a good opportunity for WNBA to clean house. Bring back Caitlin Clark and a handful of players. Caitlin Clark and replacement players will make more money.
Did any of the WNBA players get a degreee in business? Their business doesnt make money and yet they demand a raise? The NBA actually makes money if the league doesnt play.
If they lose Clark permanently than the NBA should pull plug on this league if it is accurate they lost 40mil this season. Asking for more money. No thank you.
They will negotiate a better deal but they're not going to get everything they want, it's not in their best interest to strike and they know it.
I have to seriously wonder how much the WNBA is actually losing. The owners of these teams did not make their money by making bad financial decisions. If the losses are real, then why didn’t they just let the league fold, they could say they tried but the fans didn’t support it, now I’m going to cut my losses and invest in something else.
they're prematurely being demanding. the league is at an all time high in popularity but it's going to take years to capitalize on it and become profitable and independent. i want them to get there, i'm pulling for them, but they can't afford to shoot themselves in the foot
The league absolutely sucks
They have been loosing money since the day they started 26 years ago
Even with CC they still lost money this year
Any really good high school boys team would dominate the league
Who cares? They could be on walk out for 5 more years and the only ones who will miss it is blog sensationalists.
Please strike for 3 years.
WNBA can't afford a lockout. Once the nba realize how much money they're saving by not bailing the wnba out. The nba will give less in the future 😂😂
Tell the player your game sucks, you don't sell.. get over yourself.
They ended this video at a really weird spot right in the middle of a new thought. Weird
Let's hope this is the last we hear about the wnba
I hope they refuse any offers and walk out. It will give the NBA owners a path to get out from under this money sewer. I liked watching the games, I could live without the politics and imaginary claims of racism.
I honestly do not care. They want equal pay for inferior play.
Crazy
NBA should just drop the league if they walkout.....let them destroy the league.....sell off the assets take the losses . Then these overprivledged women can either be paid much less here in N.A. or go play in Europe.
This is hilarious. Hil-ar-i-ous. Hilarious. This reality bomb is gonna set the 'she-boss' movement back....forever. Mass effect casualties. Get your Babbel tuned up ladies. Now there's a good marketing link.
LOLOL...they are going to strike because the WNBA lost less then expected!!! Sounds like a great reason to hold out of more money! Obviously, none of the WMBA players graduated with economics degrees!
Let the useless players like Devil Reese walk away, the league would be better without them, they're useless as hell. Caitlin Clark is the true star, even she can't save this garbage fire, when people see how trashy those losers in the league assault her. Let the WNBA fail, they did it to themselves, especially after letting the trash in the league treat their star like trash.
they want jordan and lebron money with no fans haha
They lost money again.
Shut down the league.
The NBA needs to stop this dei donation
Let the wnba go away they cry and cry and cry
If american investors and owners have so little faith in the product why are they requiring players like sabrina ionescu and caitlin clark to sign contracts to where they cant play anywheres. Why dont they go back to the times where they were constantly having women attempting to enter the nba draft. The pay increase would help the lower tier players but not necessarily players like caitlin clark or aja wilson or even angel reese who are making over a million dollars a year from endorsements alone and that doesnt include appearances that they make or anything else. Caitlin clark just had 2 million signed jerseys sell out in 10 minutes where is that money going? All these record breaking jersey and ticket sells where is all the money at? Something isnt matching up.
Can't deny it,this is the result of CC out of the WNBA you dig?😊
Who cares about the wnba
Strike means they will lose less Money.
Bronny James should play in WNBA.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hope they just end it. CC fans are the worst. Would be glad to get rid of them.
You never met a Clark fan, you just listened to a bunch of jelious black doughnut bunpers.
How would you know, you know nothing about her fans, except what the jelious bigots tell you.
If they do walk out, it will be there own ending. NBA owners are not going to let a bunch of entitled black lesbians beat up on a golden goose and get away with it. They lost $40mm this past season and are crying for more, not gonna happen.
capitalism vs feminism...I cannot wait to see who wins
I would propose this: since the gals at wnbpa are most likely socialist, I would pay every player exactly the same no matter the stats. Secondly, I would take 50% of the profits (not the revenue mind you) and split it evenly among the players. Let’s see if that improves their attitude towards fans
They lost 40 mil hello mcfly
The league has never made any money they will make money not having the season.the strike will not work they will have to take a pay cut. No body watches anyway😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
I agree.
That’s why they should wait until next season is underway to see if anything improves.
If it doesn’t, they should just lock out the players. Let’s see how long they last.
FIRE ALL THE PLAYERS THAT OPTS OUT! Easy. Pay Caitlin what ever she wants, and just have open tryouts. Guarantee it will still make the same money since everybody just wants to watch Clark anyways. This finally solves all the things we hate about the WNBA. Please make it happen.
I say give them a raise out of the league profits. Mmmm Guess what no money😂😂😂. Go on strike ladies. Nobody will miss you 😂😂😂😂
What the hell’s the wnba?
We want more money than the league makes… goes bankrupt and they will blame single white males 😂
Really old fans don't care
Begone is ok
the WNBA plays crap ball. I want to like them but I can't. Yea we had a few good games last season but those games were against the fever where if you didn't play a good game you would be smashed. I mean just watch the final playoff games they were crap especially game 5. Who wants to watch that? And now the players think they need a raise! Tell you what quit with the all the drama and actually start to play ball and maybe the viewers will hang around for a game other than a fever game then maybe you can make a profit which in turn will maybe allow you to get paid more but you must pay the owners back as well so you don't get it all.
So what does this mean? Is the wnba going down? 🙈
If i was Catlin id stay in Europe after the way the traeted her now trying to use her popularity and veiws to load there pockets. .if Catlin doesn't play it will show how much people really care about the league 😂😂😂
Great 👍🏾 👏👏👏👏👏
not very good basketball.. and now proof that there are not very smart either.. the only one was CC and she jumped ship. I'd say, let them walk and shut the league down... one season off and they'll learn that maybe... just maybe... they don't have a clue... maybe they should not have players in key positions..when MLB made huge strikes... who was running the UNION... Marvin Miller and Donald Fehr... neither one ever played a pitch in MLB... they were.. lawyers... and they understood profit and loss.... same with the NFL.. though they are no longer a union... still.. strides won but without players thinking they know better... WNBA... leader.. an active player... everyone in leadership are players.. they don't want to see the other side... only their own. Defining moment... yup... Death of the WNBA.... You can't demand more until the owners are in the black.. and right now..the only ones in the black are the players.... the owners are losing money. that's called in the red. If there was a team that made money, it would have been the Fever.. because had butts in the seats... where the rest of them chased fans away... this entire league is full of players who look at the NBA and think they should have the same deal... except, if they did that with the % of revenue.. I'm betting some players would be playing for McDonalds in the 80's wages...
If they want more money, sell more tickets. Tired of their yammering.
Their new TV deal went from 60 - 200M a year
@@dagobert1234321 Do You Believe the WNBA would get that Deal without the NBA's influence on the Networks?
@@dagobert1234321 The $200M TV Contract is for the Rights to Broadcast WNBA Games starting in 2026. So, if the Owners decide to use Replacement Players then the Owners will still get that Money despite having lesser talented Players in Games.
@@dagobert1234321 ESPN sure has paid out a lot of money for no profit.
It’s our fault for not watching them I guess
Who'll know 😂