Cleveland Browns file LAWSUIT AGAINST the City of Cleveland!
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- Опубліковано 25 лис 2024
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Haslam should have had his ownership stripped the second he decided to pay 230 million fully guaranteed to a known sexual predator.
Jimmy Haslam III is very talented at ripping off truckers and selling his family’s business. He’s not good at anything else. He’s even in favor of gerrymandering.
Best thing for Cleveland Browns new stadium in Brook Park. 10 miles from downtown, still Cuyahoga Co. The gang violence, crime in CLE is off the charts. If you need CPD or broken down EMS vehicles guess what you get to wait 45 min, 1-2 hrs for a response to your emergency. I support ALL CPD, EMS & Firefighters, they're all dedicated hero's. Unfortunately it's the inexperienced mayor Bibb that doesn't have a clue how to run a city like Cleveland.
An additional dome stadium 🏟 could invite future Olympic games, World Soccer, concerts, conventions. Just saying 🎉it's a great re-purpose for the old Ford Motors plant my father worked for 25 yrs., and a terrific business opportunity for so many.
Jimmy Haslam is the worst, most inept owner in the NFL.
Not a Browns fan; but I do agree with you.
He’s so inept that he was able to make almost $14 billion in the sale of the remaining controlling stock of Pilot Flying J to Berkshire Hathaway. He’s so inept that he’s willing to throw money around to make the team better. Now if those decisions made by him or the front office are good or bad, that’s a different story. He’s so inept that he sees that he could be making so much more money with a domed stadium (year round events) than one sitting right next to the lake where it needs massive amounts of maintenance to be done to keep the rust off and still standing upright on sediment that could easily cause it to sink if the foundation that was put in almost 30 years ago begins to fail.
David Tepper begs to differ
@@Westy0311 Don’t forget that he made a rapist the highest paid QB in NFL history. Thats worked out so well.
As a Browns fan, I’ve said this a long time. I envy the Commanders.
Whoever said Haslam is the worst owner in the NFL obviously hasn’t met David Tepper
Just to be clear, that is a state law, not a local law.
My dad was from Cleveland & I've lived there 4 times. One of my times there I was an on-air beat reporter for the old 50,000 watts version of WKNR-AM & one of my beats was to cover the new Browns in '99 & '00. You know that franchise has had multiple owners since the Dolans were awarded the team back then. It's time for another owner of that team. Those fans deserve better. The Haslam's would make so much more money if they just got out & let someone else take it from there.
@@cleveland2022 ouch
The Lerners not Dolans. Dolans own the Guardians.
@@HanSoLow1977 Riiiight...thanks...my mistake. I should've remembered.
Great idea to do this while public opinion of them is in the trash
Force majeure. Seize the team. Stop subsidizing billionaires.
They are moving 12 miles away. Hell Brookpark is in the same county. The city of cleveland is corrupt. The current stadium is a dump
The county executive has already denied offering any funds from the county, and the state is dealing with both Cincy and Cleveland owners coming up on lease ends so if they make a call one way or the other it's going to either be BOTH or a political suicide during the next election season. Jimmy is between a rock and hard place trying to force his hand out of Cleveland.
(for anyone not in our actual city, we do not view it the same as other cities because of the situation that caused the law to begin with. So save your 'it's still NE Ohio' takes, Clevelanders are very tired of getting our city's intellectual value and capital taken to benefit suburbs and private companies from people not of our city when it's useful but then not given our value when its time to pay up.)
The conclusion should be a land swap with the USPS downtown (go look up the land sizes) and Jimmy builds Jimmyworld downtown. Based on the judge he submitted this to, If the fact Jimmy contributed to his election fund comes up (which probably will given people are digging into the SEC filings and other candidates they donated to are becoming public knowledge) I suspect he will not be able to rule in a way that ignores precedent regarding the exact term 'political subdivision' and do the 'it's still in the area' BS.
It’s not bullshit, by definition it’s considered Cleveland metropolitan statistical area. And this take really p*sees me off bc im not from downtown cleveland” im from an area outside of the city. But me and everyone I know, support the Browns, watch every game, buy merchandise, go to games, I know many people with Browns season tickets, people that go up and tailgate in the muni lot, etc etc… it is so arrogant to act like it’s the intellectual property of only downtown Cleveland that it doesn’t “belong to the suburbs” like get the heck out of here. The Browns name belongs to the organization not the city. And the Browns organization is a regionally supported team.
They actually analyzed data from home games that showed that only 30% of browns game attendees live in cuyahoga county and only 15% live in the city of Cleveland.
So when the majority of the fanbase is from “northeast Ohio” but not Cleveland, sorry but the statement “it’s still NEARLY OHIO” is absolutely valid!!
@@ryand5725 New Albany is in the Columbus MSA and that is not Columbus...what's your point?
@@bstives58 the point is that, for a ton of reasons like identity, culture, etc. people in nearby suburbs almost always identify with their major metro area and saying Brookpark isn’t Cleveland regarding the support of a football team is objectively wrong bc 85% of people that attend games don’t live inside Cleveland city limits.
For example: celebrities that grew up in cleveland suburbs say they’re from Cleveland. MGK grew up in shaker heights, Halle Barry grew up in oakwood, arsenio hall grew up in warrensville heights, even though they all claim to be from Cleveland… so, you can’t say that Brookpark isn’t Cleveland bc it’s not inside city limits. Suburbs are almost always considered to be a part of their larger metropolitan area, in this case Cleveland.
But the bigger point I was making is that the support of the team is Northeast Ohio, in fact more people attend games that are from northeast Ohio but not inside city limits than people that support the team are from inside the city limits… so, to say that the team “belongs to” the city of Cleveland is BS… the post I responded to asserted that we should “save our” it’s still in the area and that it’s the city’s intellectual property(which it isn’t) and that it is being taken to benefit surrounding areas… the surrounding areas are more desirable for people visiting and they’re more attractive to the organization.
@@cleveland2022 okay… 🤦🏼 you don’t know what you’re talking about. I know brook park and the “city of Cleveland” are different. What I said was Brookpark is inside of the “Cleveland metropolitan statistical area” meaning it is considered part of Cleveland, even though they are two different municipalities…
however, saying the Browns “belong to Cleveland” would include the area around Cleveland because 85% of game attendees do not live inside Cleveland city limits, 70% don’t even live in cuyahoga county... They live in northeast Ohio but not “Cleveland city”
Another point I made is that when people say they’re from Cleveland it doesn’t only include the city of Cleveland it includes the entire area that would be included in the Cleveland metro area. I then gave examples of people that say they’re from Cleveland but are actually in cities like warrensville heights, oakwood, and shaker heights. All areas that are not “Cleveland city” but considered Cleveland.
@@cleveland2022 I like how you can just determine what the discussion is about bc what I was responding to originally was someone claiming the city owns the I.P., which they don’t, the organization does. And that person asserting that the city deserves the browns and for anyone saying “it’s still northeast Ohio, to save it”…
I gave a bunch of reasons why that’s BS, specifically the percentage of people that actually attend games that are from those areas and why most fans don’t want the stadium to stay where it is bc the location and area suck…
If you wanna change the conversation we can do that, bc there’s a bunch of reasons why it shouldn’t stay inside Cleveland city limits. But, let’s just talk about the law itself…
1) the Browns are correct economically it’s most likely going to be found to be unconstitutional. 2) by the time they actually leave they won’t have a standing lease and will won’t be currently receiving any tax support. 3) even if the Modell law is used, it doesn’t mean the Browns have to sell the team, it also doesn’t mean they can’t move after the 6 months anyways.
And 4) back to my original point, bc Brookpark is considered to be in the Cleveland Metro Statistical Area, when it goes to court, how do they determine that the stadium is not “in Cleveland”? Bc over half of NFL teams play in a suburb of their “home city”… meaning, the Browns have a pretty good argument that they aren’t leaving Cleveland and therefore have the ability to move the team to the location in Brookpark, otherwise how can the jets and giants say they’re New York if they play in New Jersey? The rams and the chargers play in Inglewood, but claim LA… the city’s own law director has stated that the Modell law would violate NFL rules and the leagues contractual relationship with the NFL, and there’s are constitutional laws that prevent state laws from doing exactly that.
If you’re saying the Browns shouldn’t leave bc at one point the stadium got tax revenue, then you’re also arguing that a private company can be legally compelled to never leave the city, that would have implications that far outweigh anything involving a sports team and fundamentally undermine the concept of private property…
Another Cleveland mistake. It’s not your team, Cleveland.
Cleveland should have made an offer that included a dome. The model law is probably unconstitutional. Unfortunately Cleveland doesn’t own the browns. Haslam does, as sad as that is.
Meanwhile fans spend a lot of money to go to a game. Too bad they’re so gullible.
BTW neither NY football team plays in New York. They play in Jersey.
The new stadium is getting built. Just matters when
The City of Cleveland, its officials, and its fan base hace to decide right now if they want to keep a franchise in this metro or not. Because if these people move this team out of state, it will be decades, if then, that theyll ever get another one
The area they are going to move to is 15 mins from downtown, there isn't enough FACTS out there,every city has there own local issues just ours is public
@@cleveland2022 yea, well they said that back in '95 until Modell actually pulled the trigger and all you could hear was the City of Cleveland screaming and crying about it. But its whatever at this point
Melodrama. No, the Bears aren't moving out of Chicago. No, the Browns aren't moving out of Cleveland. And the Clippers didn't move out of Los Angeles
Its a tax revenue issue not a team name issue
Isn't the real issue owners getting the benefit of a city investing in the stadium and infrastructure and then moving out even if it's just in another county? What does the lease say?
Sell bonds to raise money.
I doubt this law is constitutional. If you extrapolate the concept, California, then could require all of those businesses moving out of California and relay relocated to Texas and Florida to sell to the state of California. This is obvious a violation of interstate commerce.
Your lease ends in 2028, better for you in brook park than utah
They're moving out of the city proper of Cleveland, but they're still in the Cleveland area. A prime example would be like if the Columbus crew moved to New Albany, Ohio. Still a suburb of the city so the city complaining just doesn't want the revenue but they want people to go downtown to horrible traffic, not the best crime rate and horrible parking so that the city can get the money instead of the area. It's not going to hurt the fans. It's not going to hurt anyone else, just the financial pockets of a dying City
You are ignoring the literal letter of the law. The 'political subdivision' described as the smallest one contributing to a team's operations through supporting their stadium. He's a little unclear, it's not that you need permission from OHIO, you have to submit the opportunity to the political subdivision you receive funding from to either buy or find local buyers within a 6 month window. It is the CLEVELAND Browns, not the Cuyahoga Browns. The specific subdivision is the City of Cleveland. The Browns received money from City, County, and State. It isn't like the CAROLINA Panthers moving within the state or the New England Patriots not playing in Boston.
SKIP
Narrator has zero credibility. He claims you could sell out cowboys stadium 365 days a year for life and you would lose money. This guy is as ignorant as phoenix is hot.
He literally moved a team and got a new stadium built. He kind of knows what he’s talking about.
@@CottonEyedBro ha!
Your not going to take our team, make us pay half of the building cost, then charge us more to get in something we paid half for. Plus Brookpark is a wasteland
Cleveland lakefront is a wasteland. Only 15% of attendees live in Cleveland and the people that travel into the city think the city is dangerous, there is no access to the stadium, so you’re walking in horrible conditions to the game, most fans want the new stadium in a different location. And if the city doesn’t want to pay for a stadium that it owns then let the browns go somewhere else.
Besides the money that the Browns would be getting for the Brookpark location would rely on bonds to be paid back by the organization and future tax revenue from the project itself. Meaning it doesn’t rely on any money or tax revenue that currently exists. It would benefit Cleveland and take financially responsibility away from Cleveland, and generate enough revenue in parking to cover future upgrades for itself.
@@ryand5725 you wrote a essay for what 🤦
@@EarnYaBonez so you’re either too lazy to read it or you read it and don’t have the ability to respond to it?
So you are saying that the NFL has a business model that includes stadiums they can't afford and don't want to invest in, so they must have taxpayers foot the bill for them to be profitable. What kind of business is it that won't invest in its own infrastructure. As a life long Clevelander and ex-season ticket holder I would not give the Browns a dime. This dome will never get built because Brookpark cannot handle a large development and the area has no need for it, as the area is shrinking not growing. You obviously haven't researched this at all, this is not a slam dunk real estate development. Haslam does not own this land nor has any advanced planning been completed. Before you start defending a billionaire who made his money ripping off his customers maybe do a little research
the browns moved to Baltimore they are called the ravens now - then this guy decided to start a team called the browns lol - why would he think it would work out if the original browns moved lol - ironic since the ravens who are the original browns are putting good teams on the field every year lol -
Blah.blah blah, mute talking points.....
This is the Dumbass law that I have ever heard you got ask can you move it's not right because you lost your team Twice Rams 45 browns 95 and now you is stopping other pro ohio teams from moving
Haslams credit their wealth to football. The old man applied what he learned on the field with Neyland to business.
The Haslams care very much about the sport and the good it brings to our society. Brown's fans are fortunate to have such an active and capable owner as the Haslams. The team sucks, and the Haslams want to pour in more dough! think about it. They are good owners.
Imagine your third string anything for Dallas and you play in Cleveland in November on the lake. All you can think about is how sorry it is to be a Brown.
Now let's say you change out in a state of the art facility and sit on the bench in an indoor environment watching Cleveland's faithful pour their heart into a loosing team. As a player or coach or staff you think, "I can go to work here".
Neyland said, " you got to get the right people". That is what this is all about; getting the right people in the room.
Jimmy and d haslam are human scum Jimmy and d haslam embarrass Cleveland browns fans every single day Jimmy and d haslam are the worst owners in professional sports