What Happens in Murders at Karlov Manor?
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Murders at Karlov Manor takes us back to Ravnica for a story filled with twists and turns...and a surprisingly high body count. Will your favorite guild leader make it out alive?
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Hooded figure absolutely has to be Jace Beleran.
@@sk8paradoxity yea if I remember correctly one of the cards reveals that the hooded figure is wearing a blue cloak
I'll have to double check but I'm pretty sure I saw it. It's not definitive proof but it's a clue worth looking at
My favorite thing about this story is that Niv Mizzet just didn’t care about what was going on.
Probably knew that nothig would really change in the end...
Dude had to deal with two invasions, one actually killed him. No way he’s going to blink much at the guilds going back to back stabbing each other
There's a What If where Aurelia and Rakdos are fighting and he flies down into the fray Rayquaza style.
It seems to be a thing the Guildpacts do, doesn't it?
To be fear, it's completely in character for Niv Mizzet to not lift a finger over this BS.
Agrus Kos lying around in the Rakdos tombs like
"Hello? Anyone there? ... Hellooooo?"
Worse. Judith put him inside the crystal skull. And she was the only one who knew about it. And she's very likely dead.
Snoring in demonic
Couple possibilities from this:
1. Kos becomes an artifact known as The Skull of Justice.
2. Kos' mind fuses with Rakdos, turning him into a Noble Demon (not bloody likely)
3. Rakdos gets a new Skull Ring.
Teysa cracked the phyrexian language and created a counter espionage system to battle them with?
Man I bet that would've been a really cool story to read back during March of the machine
Tell me about it. If only Wizards had slammed on the breaks and realized that maybe, just maybe, a giant epic spanning multiple settings and groups of character warrants more than one story entry (see: Infinity War and Endgame).
They mention in the story that she learned the language through half-Compleated ghosts which I thought was a pretty cool way to learn a new language.
WAY faster than Duolingo
@@1krani What do you mean? That's what Kallen is for! 🙃
@@1kraniDUDE, imagine if the barrage of new planes we're getting over the next few years, were one offs of the planes citizens fighting phyrexia and story lines associated with that, wotc shareholders couldve gotten their forced new planes to bring hype and the whole plane / stories couldve actually been meaningful
Proft: I knew it was Trostani.
Also Proft: That's why I decided to confront her in Vitu-Ghazi, to get that away field advantage.
😂😂😂
Though to be fair, the Selesnya perfectly placed themselves as the most "together" and "neutral" by this point, and the Agency just had their HQ kinda made into a mole-hill the other day.
You know, hearing all this stuff about Ravnica subverting the Phyrexian Invasion makes me only pine harder for a world where the Invasion had 2 sets to work with, not just 1.
In case it is not abundantly apparent, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STORY TIME!! Yes yes we can read the story but do not overlook the flair and style you deliver these stories!!
I miss how Story Spotlight cards were handled in War of the Spark. They said what Act each card was, making it easier to arrange the cards in story order without having to read all the webfiction.
And prior to that they were just numbered as 1/5 or whatever. For some reason they just dropped that?
@@charcharmunr They decided to not number them so the authors could have the freedom to have the story beats happen when hey felt like it works best in the story.
As Krenko's legal advisor and an avid crime novelist, I can now publicly state that we at Krenko's legal team knew Krenko was innocent, without a doubt, the entire time.
I love that you highlighted why there were a lot of detectives in the set. that was a really good flavor.
I wish they went back to the 3 set blocks. I feel like we don't get time to really let the story sit and marinate and we miss out on a lot of cool lore opportunities card wise because everything is so fast paced
Man every time Teysa is used the more and more I respect her despite being sus but hey I read the old books
she the true dragon rider
The resolution actually sounds pretty good for a change. With the villain's actions being based on wrong information and then her just not accepting it. I hope it's a trend and not just a fluke.
Thanks for the synopsis.
In regards to the Hooded Figure being Jace, one thing that makes a lot of sense for A: Why he's skulking around Ravnica in the shadows and B: why he goes digging around in Proft's mind is that he's trying to find Vraska, be it alive or just her body. Thus why he's spying on the Golgari and exploring the Undercity, and goes digging around in the mind of a detective with a photographic memory that may have seen some hint or clue that he has absolutely no idea he saw.
I think it also makes a lot of sense how him to be involved in the killings aswell. The cards associates with the mind control pollen were at least partly blue, making it feel like maybe jayce manipulated trostani into what they did
@@MeandMonkeyLP I think it's much more they're blue because blue mana is associated with the mind than because anyone blue aligned had anything to do with it.
Not to mention I see no reason why Jace would get involved in something like that. All the shit he's done in the past to stabilize Ravnica why would he do something like this plot?
I may miss something but....wouldn´t Jaces Body be sitting around somewhere unable to move after the connection to phyrexia got separeted ? Like I know he split a part of his and Vraskas Mind from the rest of their psyche so it was safe from phyrexia but they would still be phyrexians at least in Body and the last I read was that the bodies couldn´t be found after the Undercity kinda collapsed so they wouldn´t be able to be cured
But like I said I may miss something
@@zeropoint2594 The biggest mystery of the phyrexian invasion is "Where the F did Jace GO?!" He disappeared shortly into the invasion and there has not been any confirmed sighting, dead or alive, since.
Jace's fate during and after the invasion are completely unknown, and Vraska is presumed dead... but as noted no-one has been able to find her body.
The one thing we do know is that from that pocket of Vraska's mind we see it's clear that Jace had not dismissed the possibility of capture and completion and so had laid contingencies for Vraska and himself.
How extensive those contingencies are, we have no clue. But considering the shit Jace has forced his body to do in the past, I could see him steering a half dead phyrexian body around through sheer force of bloody minded willpower.
@@robertmcpherson138 true he got soe sort of mission from Norn and then dissapered as far as I know
it´s kinda scary to think that maybe somewhere out there in the multiverse there is a phyrexian jace walking around building up a new hive mind
another thing I could see is that his mind is fighting himself where one part still want´s to serve phyrexia and the other one tries to undo everything it comes up with
but I guess we will see in that outlaws set since it looks like vraska and jace are both there
Thank you for making MTG Lore make sense. I've been playing for nearly 2 years and I still find myself totally and completely lost whenever a new set releases.
Glad to help!
Niv Mizzet not synergising with the ordinary citizens of Ravnica could be a brilliant piece of flavour, if you see it as symbolic of a divide between the guilds (and the literal Guildpact) and the lives of people who aren’t associated with guilds
If he cared more about the guillds he should have shown up to investigate the guild leader's deaths. Plus, in the War of the Spark novels, there is a part where Niv Mizzet is fighting Nicol Bolas, and Bolas attacks some civilians as a distraction but Niv doesn't take the bait. He reminds himself he is responsible for the people of Ravnica in aggregate, so as long as he still saves "most of them" by defeating Bolas, he doesn't have to save individuals - but it is clear (to me at least) that he does care about the people of the plane and considers them to be his duty to watch out for (and this was even before he became the Guildpact).
I have to be honest, I loved this story. I really appreciate it when the bad guy isn’t black aligned, especially Selesnya which we’ve never seen before.
Wasn’t Elesh Norn mono white?
@@jperry253 yes… and also not green so…
Agreed! That’s why I like Elesh Norn so much! I like seeing the corrupted side of traditionally “good” colors.
@@yarrrthekraken and she wasn't even the first monowhite villain. Konda made the honors
I'm pretty sure white is the most common color for mtg villains. Vito and eriette were the villains of the last two sets, and before them, some of the highest profile villains in the story are elesh norn, Heliod, and Konda, and of course urza so even though we have plenty of nonwhite villains, white is at least as well represented as the other colors.
I don't think that this is actually surprising from a writing perspective. As a foil to good, abuse of power is more interesting than stabbing grandmas and eating babies, especially if the complexity of magic stories is limited by the budget of a writing department that is clearly an afterthought
I do like the idea that Rakdos wakes up and looks at Judith and says... "Really, you were going to turn ME in?"
He probably thinks it would've been funny as shit
Rakdos would of done the same thing. Looks like Judith will get another raise.
I think breaking Kellan's color pattern served some purposes.
- He's in Ravnica so it's on-theme to be two colors, not just in color identity but really the actual colors of the spell/permanent. His Ixalan version combines adventure and map tokens to represent an Eldraine native visiting Ixalan. His Ravnica version combines adventure with two-color spells.
- There is a cycle of rare legendary creatures for each color pair that don't necessarily need to be guild representatives so he fits in well in the Simic slot.
- Maybe there are some draft balancing reasons as to why both his creature and adventure spells are strictly Simic instead of one green and one blue.
New Capenna would make the same amount of sense, story wise, as Ravnica. Art style wise, it would have made more sense as the 1920's style art deco is leaned on. Guild leaders are being murdered on Ravnica. Family leaders are being murdered on New Capenna. A detective is as likely on either plane. Seeing how that plane operates in a "murder the heads of the family" plane would have been pretty great as well. Missed oppertunities, especially since they had just released Ravnica Remastered, unless their goal is to now release a legacy set and a standard set from the same plane back to back.
The full art basic lands have a bit of New Capena styling. I wonder if the plane was changed mid-development because Streets of New Capena wasn't a well received set.
@@bethpitblado1588I'm pretty sure that somewhere it was said that this set wasn't originally ravnica, but became about it later in development. I think it was going to be an original plane like LCI wasn't going to originally be ixalan.
This was a solid story, in my opinion. It is very difficult to make a whodunnit so intricate and expansive without making it feel silly. But most of all I'd like to say I really like Kellan. He keeps showing up, always upbeat, is not a Planeswalker, but still has that "main character" vibe, and he is always an adventure somehow. Not to mention he's getting new colors every here and there. Just a really fun character they decided to keep around and make him pop almost as a cameo.
Kellan has been a refreshing change of pace from following the same 5 planeswalkers around the multiverse, I agree.
So many story spotlights! Always fun dodging spoilers until you cover the deets! Thank you!
I was waiting for this. Before buying a prerelease kit, I didn't even know who was murdered.
Kaya normally storyline: SHe came, she Kills a ghost, evrething gets worse, she bounces.
Wizards did a great story spotlight video, but it's actually even better that there was some things that fell through the cracks for us to find. I can't wait to look into that ARG (once the community solves it of course) because working for (hopefully) a big secret will be so cool!
Basic narrative structure would normally imply the hooded figure to either be Oko himself to to be elsewise connected to Oko, but we'll see how well that pans out. As for the ARG, I agree that the story should be 100% within standard avenues, but I have no issue with a little bonus for those who wish to engage beyond the normal. I'd hope it provides some tidbits as to what the next set may be, what plane is next, who the larger scope antagonist is, that sort of thing.
The Planeswalker Guide that was released yesterday helps she’s some light on the other happenings on the plane since the invasion. Apparently, it’s been a whole year since the invasion to when we pick up the story now.
What I didn’t like in the story, however, was how when Kellan and Kaya had moments to chitchat, Kellan was seemingly providing more information than what he should know about Ravnica and it’s people since the invasion happened. It’s been a year and we have to take account for Eldraine and Ixalan to happen. That all didn’t happen in back to back weeks, so adjusting for time, I would give him 3-4 months on Ravnica, 6 months tops. He still has to get acquainted with the new plane since arriving and then slowly work his way into a reputable spot in the Agency to start gathering potential intel on Oko. But he gives accounts of certain peoples personal thoughts and feelings about situations that happened. To me, that didn’t add up.
Also, what happened to Amalia? Kaya asks Kellan about if he came with anyone and he shrugs her off like he didn’t just have a semi flirtatious relationship with her on Ixalan. I would have liked to see a card for her to at least show continuity of the story. Maybe she joined the Orzhov and met a devilishly handsome vampire among the guild. This left Kellan scorned and he devoted more of his time to the Agency trying to get information about his dad.
I believe there is a line about Amalia potentially having joined the Gruul (or at least is hanging around their turf) because they easily have the most to discover archeologicaly. Kellan does say he checks in on her every so often but she's her own person with very different interests.
The writers weren’t allowed to communicate with each other and amelia travelling with kellan was apparently a last minute addition
While Alquist Proft stays cocky, I honestly think it works considering he was originally from the Azorius Senate, which has a reputation for being pretentious. That's why his dynamic with Etrata (an assassin who would clearly know a thing or two from the streets) were some of my favorite parts of the story. I particularly chuckle at the part where Etrata was just being chill with Massacre Girl with Proft basically going "wtf."
I personally really liked the story, the more "mundane" story in Ravnica that the guilds are not the main focus, even if very important
The connection to phyrexia and the mystery were great, really liked it
I just hope the future secret they are holding back is more related to something greater and not an extra plot twist layer
I wish Ezrim was Jeskai in colors. Like a mix between Boros & Azorius. It would definitely added an element to his commander deck.
I am currently building him as a Voltron commander with a Clue subtheme. Just imagining if red was in it haha.
Love the videos, Thanks.
I found the channel a few weeks ago and watched every single Set Lore video uploaded so far... and I'm planning to keep it that way from now on!
Welcome aboard!
Unless we see a new color for Kellan, I think it makes sense for him to end up being Simic due to Oko being blue/green. So it could be that he's almost to the end of his arc. However, I love 5 color commanders and would love to see a 5 color Kellan from all of his journeys. I think it would be cool to see the first creature have multiple adventure costs, a Kenrith of Adventure if you will. It won't happen, I doubt we'll get that for quite some time, but a man can dream!
really want to see a 4 player game of commander, all different Kellan commanders
@@h.g.5509 I would play the first one, I love equipment decks! The new simic one is also pretty solid, though. At least for my playstyles, I think the one released in Ixalan was the worst because Maps were underwhelming AND it's heavily dependent on having multiple opponents.
To go on a rant: I just feel like Kellan, Daring Traveler wasn't built to be a commander. It's white/green and is almost a graveyard matters deck. I know that was the theme of Ixalan, but outside of the set specifically there's just not enough support to really make him shine. I was thoroughly disappointed in Ixalan's Kellan in all forms. The story was kinda meh, the art wasn't great for his special version, his abilities were mid, he just wasn't great.
The Selesnya has better mind control magic than the Urzov and Demir now 😂
Selesnia adding black mana to its colors is all it needed.
Nevermind that most mind control effects are blue.
You can tell the team had fun with this Clue set. Even the non-story cards were packed! "Private Eye"'s art and flavour text made me laugh for a solid 12 minutes. 😂
Wow. Thank you for telling the story. All these stories. I am still new to this, and you make the game so much richer and comprehensible. I have a much better appreciation now for MTG. I have so much to learn!
Teysa guilt tripped Kaya to make her think she's indebted like a true loan shark.
Honestly this was such a great story I completely see where the 'villain' was coming from
I like the story aswell but thhe one thing that i do not get is trostanis motivation. Like how does killing random people over the course of months help making ravnica a better place at all? I kinda get it with the guild leaders you think helped the enemy, but she states she has been doing it to all sorts of people.
Yeah I do not understand Trostani’s purpose of killing random bystanders. Maybe they were target practice or to cure the boredom of being a tree.
I love watching these videos so much. Especially with voice of all not being around anymore, we don’t have many Magic influencers that are highly passionate about the lore like you are. Thank you for always making quality videos for those of us who love the lore
Thank you Ryan, for this an all your work. Without your recaps i would have never caught up with any of magics history, you are truly a joy to listen to!
I think an important minor story element was missed is your recap. What happened to Judith at the end of the battle with Oba? The next set is a villains set, with Rakdos seemingly in the art, so it seems important that this was left open
YESSSSS STORY TIME!!! My favorite series of videos from your channel! I appreciate all you guys do!! :D
One thing I think was important that you didn't address in the moustache minute was that Massacre Girl just straight up ENDED Judith after the big reveal as she wasn't happy about being left out to dry and Rakdos (the Parun) being used as a scapegoat to further Judith's desires for power over Rakdos (the guild).
Wait, Judith was killed by Massacre Girl?
@@GigaLordShinyMudkip1it was implied, but we didn’t see a body
I WAS REALLY EXPECTING FOR YOU TO COVER THIS STORY :D Ravnica is my favorite plane.
(I'm actually playing a mini dnd campaign serting in Ravnica. And my character is from the Selesnya Conclave. I'm dying to see what we will see when we reach that point of the story 👀)
Nice, I’m dming another ravnica game now that we know what’s currently popping on the best plane
I do think it's a massive cop (heh) out that's the motivation for the villain was based off of just a complete misunderstanding. It's not like guild leaders need a reason to hate each other.
released from his "PokeBall" HAHAHA
I'm sure Ryan meant 'pal sphere' 👀
I actually liked this story more than the last couple... I never liked the Kaya-Orzhov stuff but it's nice to see that wrap up a bit. Wasn't she a planes-hopping monster hunter in Kaldheim? She should go back to that gig
the Kaya Planeswalker reminds me a lot of this other planeswalker that had 2 plus abilities and stole stuff. surely this is not going to be the same disaster.
The storyboard for this story is…. Insane. “Who could possibly kill multiple guild leaders, who could be strong enough??” … “umm… how about a plant?” … “BRILLIANT”
Honestly…. This was the murder story they went with?
Loved your video, just can’t understand why this is the story they went with.
Thank you so much! I now just await your videos for the stories and have such a great time!
I think the reason why Etrata was not wearing the crest might be because Trostani would not allow to misuse their guilts symbol like that
THE POKEBALL SENT ME INTO ORBIT LMAOOOO
Also, Oba gets away with it. She gets off on the Ghiddorah defence of being part of a multi-headed being.
I feel obliged to mention that in the first ravnica story there is a surprise Selesnya army that manages to take over the chaos. This *absolutely* is a retcon, but I assume now this how at least somewhat complicit in how that happened.
Or I dunno, maybe I obsess with weird story details over a decade old Wizards isn't super bothered by. (In this case I can't blame them)
I like the idea that the mysterious hooded person is Jace. And looking in the mind of a detective makes sense since they should have a better understanding of how the plane is holding after the invasion along with how people feel about Vraska.
Thank you for these videos. I kind of hate MTG lore and the way it is presented these days. Your summaries are the most enjoyable way to consume them 😊
You know what would have been nice? In the end Tristoni hears a "fourth" voice. In later set it is revealed that the voice is the mycrotyrant and Kellan travelled to Ravinca unintentionally bringing mycotyrant spore and it infected vitu ghazi, becoming a parasitic fungus suppressing harmony, disrupting order, allowing oba to act independently without the other 2 finding out due to their diminished state, and oba using the pollen/spore trick of the mycrotyrant thinking it was her own idea. The next few sets would be based on how kellan unintentionally has been infecting each plane with the spores and how each planes deals with it unbeknownst to the general populace that it is the mycrotyrant. Like Amonket is an arid plane so the mycrotyrant has a passive role and ended up terraforming part of the desert into an oasis which people think is a natural phenomenon, on Theros because of the infected worshiper of the mycrotyrant obtain a god aspect that directly oppose another new god created from memories of the phyrexian, and those that are partially compleated but the heros think that it is just a new god born to defeat the phyrexian god. It then becomes a planar war as some seek to destroy the mycrotyrant because is it an blight on their plane like Ravnica, others want to preserve it since it is helpful like Amonkhet, while others are neutral since the fungus blended into the plane's systems flawlessly like like Theros.
This was my favorite story to read in a good while, I wasnt super excited for the set at first but there sure are some cool cards coming
first time I heard this set I thought they mistyped and it was meant to be 'murders at markov manor' not karlov because a murder mystery to me made more sense on imistrad. I do like how each guild during the ravnica invasion was using theyre strengths to battle them. wasnt expecting ot hear that the dimir and orzhov were working together. but it makes a cool combo on how they use theyre abilities to combat the invasion. Wouldve been great to have its own story during the march of machines.
I waited all week for this and checked every day
The pollen probably just says to kill them in your own way and the dimir assassin just has more skills to bring to bear. When Jace left Elesh Norn's side I'll bet it was to attack Niv Mizzet and I imagine we'll find out how that went later and it was too big for this story. Thanks for the recap, I really appreciate your videos as they allow me to keep up with an otherwise hard to find story.
You should do a series where you build decks that tell a story within each one with the flavor text
That is something I'm considering. Would you prefer it as a live stream, or a pre-recorded series?
@@MagicArcanum pre recorded please like you could show off the deck list first and explain what story your trying to tell them show how well it plays out in some matches
Yup agreed . Its capenna vibe grafted onto ravnica
Correct me if I’m wrong but if Trostani being 3 dryads combined, wouldn’t the other two realize the third was doing something suspicious with the pollen in the first place?
Also personally like that Kellan is continuing to basically be our “main” view point into seeing every set so far
Despite being connected physically, the sisters do appear to maintain some amount of autonomy. Oba was able to absorb a lot of Worldbreaker's dark influence, hoping to spare her sisters from having to endure such pain and suffering, and we must conclude that she can also manipulate Vitu-Ghazi and spread the flowers by "mentally" isolating herself in the same way.
@@MagicArcanum I guess that makes sense since Oba has said she’s been doing this killing spree for awhile now
First time watching a video of yours, im a newish player and you ecplained the story well!
Was waiting for you to cover this story. I thought it was an interesting idea. Perhaps messy in execution though. Thanks for the lore.
*Ryan:* "If you wanna know who done it without dusting for prints or readings"
*Me:* Or just watch the set debut video😂
Only now did I notice the plaque in honor of Machado de Assis in the background. Nice touch
Thanks for the great video and the surrounding lore.
Just saw this while sorting my MKM cards. In the Clandestine Meddler art, I have one with the curtains are red and the other copy the curtains are white. I'm guessing it's suppose give you a false lead (obviously suggesting Boros Guild is behind the murders.) in trying to figure out who the murderer is if you didn't read the story?
I always look forward to these videos. It's become my go to way to get the magic story.
Well done. Good video, good script.
I agree about the story being able to be deduced through the cards but I think the main story as shown so far is shown through the cards. How well is another question.
I don't mind if new story is revealed through the ARG as long as it doesn't completely recontextualise the whole thing and it gets refreshed and explained in the next set as well.
It's a neat thing to do as a one off.
I loved the story this set, the relationship between Teysa and Kaya ensuring it was great. Thier dynamic was one I really enjoyed throughout, even when Teysa was dead and absent the impact on Kaya and her internal thoughts and motives was truly wonderful, with the hug at the end feeling so incredibly earned and deserved. They have always had an odd dynamic since they first started interacting and it has just been great to see it develop. Kaya and Kellan is also fun, I like how his infectious enthusiasm and excitement rubs off on her and helps her cheer up. Proft to me was just meh but Etrata was interesting. I do think the story is carried by Kaya, she is a great narrator, and historically has been as well which is nice. I agree with the themes feeling very Cappena-y but so me its not like they can't fit into Ravnica. I think this would have worked better on Cappena thematically but it would have been a weaker story due to the lack of established characters as it is the characters that carry this story, supported by the mystery.
As a fan of the selesnya guild I like the approach that they had with Trostani
That's why I don't understand what happened after this to Oba, she's just gonna be kept tangled with leylines, or she will be forced to revoke her guild master status?
Hope that there is actually a epilogue for this, hate to have the usual plot holes of every set story and now even inconclusive end
Using names of the cards describing the story is just the pun-ultimate dad-joke-lover dream
Was there a sale on the letter K when they were designing the legends in this set or something?
30:30 I have been saying the same thing is I found out about this set. A noir crime drama would have been perfect for New Capena. As someone who loves that plane/set/noir I'm very disappointed by what feels like a financial decision because "Ravnica is more popular"
Teysa deserved to go out better. I also feel like the mystery reveal wasn't very good, but you know that's just me.
Multiverse shadow stuff is those peeps from the end of the invasion stuff. Where (forgive my memory) those mentioned once and never talked about again multiverse observers.
I think the hooded figure is Ashiok or one of their associates, maybe Oko. There's no doubt Ashiok will be apart of the new plotline; they were on Eldraine seemingly plotting something alongside Eriette and they've been an enigma of an antagonist for years and I think it's an easy choice for the new big bad. In respect to Oko though I think he'd make sense being an agent of Ashiok's, being a trickster across the multiverse and if Ashiok is the new big bad, when Kellen (inevitably) catches up with them it'd be an easy bookend for his quest to find his father.
26:05 I agree with you on that and to be fair, I feel like some plot points could be added to clarify the story on the cards. I'm talking about the part where Oba's accusations on the flavor text of Worldsoul's Rage are disproved. Without that I thought she's gonna be arrested for vigilantism or something like that. And that feeling was amplified by Proft's pity on his flavor text of the same card
I do like how everyone got to do their own thing in the story
My inner gruul mage speaks to me today in the sense of "I hate all of these people."
Also they killed Kylox, the only new character from the promotional art I was interested in! What the heck!?
At least kaya's presence on Ravnica and in the story made more sense than her trip to Kaldheim
She’s the new face of magic so we better get used to it -from wizards btw
MTG has always told its supplemental story through books though. Yeah, you could glean major events through the cards, but it was stuff like books that really fleshed out the world.
The books have been replaced with free online story chapters and between those and the cards, a player should know all of the important characters, locations, and events that make up a set's total story.
I only skimmed over this when I first saw it I thought it was Murders at MORKOV Manor and now I feel robbed
To be honest, I expected Lazav and Mirko (who have the detective subtype in this set) to investigate Etrata’s crime.
To be honest this story was okay but I'm more annoyed that we "hear" about Teysa's involvement with the Phyrexians. I wanted to read about that cuz it sounds like a good read! Further showing March of the Machine a failure through being rushed. Also just casually dropping the second Gruul god was more than a little irksome
Yeah I think they tried to maintain some of the mystery but not showing us everything, so that Proft could do his dramatic finale, and we got all this second-hand backstory. I didn't love it either, but it follows a pretty standard murder mystery template, and that's what they wanted, I guess.
@@MagicArcanum Yeah. I think too much attention was put into the investigation. It doesn't really work with the guilds in this situation. Like you said, guild leaders are dying, not to mention on the brink of war. Leaving Niv-Mizzet out was a mistake. We've yet to see Niv-Mizzet in his new position of authority as the Guildpact
I love the set I pulled a niv mizzet from the prerelease packs I got
Same, rocking both for a 5 color deck
Spectulation: Ettrata wasn't actually controlled by the pollen, Dimir did the first murder to initiate the investigation and get the attention of the detectives. They even bothered to dress her up as a Selesnian agent to hint at the source and stage all of the evidence afterward. Etrata was then instructed to delete her own memory to cover the trail. She wasn't wearing a guild seal because Dimir still obeys the guild pack.
Then why would Oba confess to a room full of people that she did use the pollen on Etrata (and others) and was proud of it, saying she acted in the best interests of Ravnica?
@@MagicArcanum Because she believed she did, but the pollen never actually worked on her. Etrata was already planted/protected by Dimir mind magic and just played along to convince Oba she was in charge.
This is Dimir taking action without anyone else knowing that they were the ones acting (preserving the guildpact).
Oba chose Etrata to act and the target but Dimir interfered by leaving behind the evidence for people to follow and covered their tracks.
I don't understand your speculation anymore. You think the Dimir were behind everything? Why? Why would they want to kill other leaders, like Teysa and Zegana? You think they forced Oba to kill people? Or do you think it was still Oba's idea all along, and the Dimir somehow knew it before anyone else, but rather than deal with her on their own, they went through an elaborate scheme to have their own best assassin commit a murder with the intent of leading the actual authorities back to the real killer?
I get that everyone thinks the Dimir are mischievous and all, but they don't do things for no reason, and I don't think they'd perform a planned murder to stop another (known) murderer, if that's what you're trying to suggest.
@@MagicArcanum She is still a member of the guildpact so they can't kill her, they also can't tell people outside the pact they know what she is doing because that also breaks the guildpact (acknowlegding their existence). So they just leave behind all the needed evidence for proft to eventually solve it and expose her. Leaving even a cryptic letter would also expose too much information and draw more suspiction as to who is gathering said information as well.
It's not "eyes roll" always Dimir. Its sincerely, always Dimir. You can't even rationalize why she would take the time to set all this up before the murder when it doesn't benefit Oba at all to do so. It's because it doesn't benefit her to do so.
My brain still hears you saying Nicole Letson in the intro... Name changes always mess me up 😂
Niv-Mizzet chilling in the guild pact chamber smoking a 5 color blunt while two guilds almost go to war via conspiracy
I wouldn’t be doing much on a 5-color blunt. Now he is off thinking about Fallout and Assassins Creed.
I personally liked this story, but maybe thats because 1. Its the first Ravnica set since I started playing Magic, and 2. I recently watched Knives Out and Glass Onion for the first time and Proft has big Benoit Blanc vibes
Thank you for the story.
While I applaud their attempt to do something new, I have to say the world in which people battle and kill each other left and right, and ghost is a real deal, may not be the best setting for a murder mystery. XD
Love these videos! Keep doing them please!
"pollen" welp it's either Selesnya or Golgari
Ravnica is a strange plane. The "bad guys" are always one of the guilds doing their thing a little too much. Dimir spying a little too hard, Izzet driving progress a little too much, Simic screwing up their biological improvements with too ambitious experiments, and now, we have Selesnya caring a bit too much about peace. It's weird, and I'd like to maybe move towards something else being a threat at some point that isn't an apocalypse level event.
Also also, i feel like it was interesting to see Kaya only taking interest in the crimes and helping catch the murderet AFTER Teysa dies. Especially when she sufgers the scrutiny of citizrns claiming the Planesealkers abandoned them or even worse, caused the Phyrexian Invasion. And even if the guuld leaders defend their libed ones actions we do know that some of the Dimic and Izzet purposelly experimentef with the oil out of pure curiosity, with terrible consequences. Idk, it was interesting to see how no one in the story is truly right or wrong.
About the Etrata having time to murder Zegana; I do admit the arrangement was weird and in the end didn't seem to have a meaning behind it. My theory is that the members pf the Conclave that were in the Party (Tolsimir included) helped her get in and made sure she had enough pollen to make the murder happen.
Other things that don't really get answered;
-what did Teysa wanted to talk about with Kaya? She doesn't say anything about it in her funeral.
-proft takes something from Kylox's office and doesn't really say what is it, but it may be the jar he later uses to trap the flower.
-where was Niv-Mizzet? Being the guildpact you would expect him take notice of the murder of several guild leaders
Guild on guild violence on a personal scale isn’t going to be something as important as prepping for another invasion or learning more about the portals to those worlds, like where Kellen came from
I think Teysa wanted to explain her involvement in the invasion, but that already happened in vitu ghazi where she was hiding, so no need for her to re explain it
Person: "Cool, we almost never see selesnya villains!"
Some people on the internet with the reading comprehension of a 5 year old: " BUT THESE MONO WHITE AND MONO GREEN AND OBVIOUSLY NOT SELESNYA WERE VILLAINS BEFORE!!!!!"
💯 % agree! The entire story should be complete within the set. I don’t care to buy anything else and I won’t. Hell, I already stopped buying booster boxes now that there’s no point to Standard.
Even knowing the whole story I am still excited to here it from the statche
Can you speak to what Nicol Bolas’s goal would be if he were to get free in the aftermath of phyrexia and the loss of sparks in some planeswalkers?