The Problem With Chroma
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- Опубліковано 30 бер 2024
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Here's my REAL take on chroma, its strengths, its weaknesses, its quirks and flaws. Is it worth the hype?
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Hey! :) regarding the band limiting: We will lower the low band crossover further on the next update, as there are a few spicy lower harmonics that chroma could definitely help with, though we wont lower it entirely as processing low frequencies in general is a huge challenge and generally comes with more downsides than upsides! For the high crossover, there's a more nuanced reason. Generally speaking, most instruments may they be physical or digital tend to go more noisey the higher you go into the register. Considering that chroma cannot emulate this behavior, we had decided to cap it at the 8th octave, as most people would not be able to distinguish any notes higher than that frequency area and the processing chroma imposes on the very highs generally is more of a negative than a positive (obvious heavy filtering/notch filtering in the highs, smeary transients etc). Since most people usually dont read the manual or listen to processing recommendations, this is a choice we made to ensure chroma sounds good on 95% of the occasions without allowing for this user-error to occur 🙇♂
would u ever add any tone shaping features to it or is that just not how the plugin works? I love the plugin but i feel like the character of the pronounced frequencies sounds very samey across whatever I put it on. Idk if this is just the natural sound of boosted frequencies tho. Also I dont remember off the top of my head but theres no way to get a 100% wet signal from it right?
@@doomaster1999 generally speaking i recommend chroma on HQ mode and color at 100% to 120%! :) Then, depending on what you want to achieve with it, itll give you the most natural results. I also have a quick video explaining some of the features here: ua-cam.com/video/B2o6pobPzC8/v-deo.html
how about the trial version of the plugin
perhaps adding an "advanced mode" or something in the menu that removes said limitations, with a small warning that it will cause weird artifacts and cpu usage could be a nice medium! Personally, I love intentionally making plugins like this glitch out and work improperly for sampling purposes, and I am interested in what the algorithm will see in noisy upper harmonics (even if it perhaps doesnt quite sound right)
This is exactly what I thought, I get that it sounds nice by default. Why not a separate mode so that I can use it "incorrectly". @sco9301
Great video, really enjoyed your take on Chroma! Hearing feedback from you and the rest of the community is very helpful! We have updates planned for Chroma and we will be sure to add a larger frequency range and some other improvements!
This is awesome to hear! I hope it gets better, and as it does ill release new videos going over the features and my thoughts on them!
User feedback is a hell of a drug!
You guys are awesome. You've quickly become one of my favorite plugin companies, even over the larger ones.
As an audio developer myself I can tell you none of us is swimming in money, not even all of the ones who already do it for more than 20 years. maybe it's different for native instruments devs or something, but the chroma dev is definitely a small fish, just like me. except for one thing, and that is that this developer made a plugin that could fascinate a large amount of people with ease, which is basically the dream for every developer. not because it means cash, but because it means that you made an impact on music production. at least that is for the devs who are not total scammers, but none of them are topic of your video. the lack of a trial version is sad, but you gotta see this developer couldn't even figure out how to add a Paypal option for the payments, you know what I mean? They spent all their time figuring out Chroma and invested the bare minimum of their time in things like websites, sales or licensing. would be cool if there was a trial, but it's totally understandable why there isn't
I see it from that side too. But the "its not about the money" argument rubs me the wrong way. Its ok that people want payment for their work, thats great. I love supporting small devs. But if it wasnt about money, it would be free.
If they really wanted the "biggest impact" they would make a free trial available. Paypal would actually be a bad option if they wanted to make more money, because you can usually charge back incredibly easily. I dont mind them wanting to make money, I think its great. The lack of a free trial however, incentivizes obtaining the plugin illegally, and hurts consumers who also, are not always "swimming in cash".
@@t3ch_n0 it's only about money in so far that you need to have money to feed your family at all. no shit. for me personally, not even that yet, but i'm trying to get there. i'm glad for the chroma dev to hopefully have pulled himself out of the state I am in right now...
anyway, you should probably talk to the dev directly about your request. i've talked to him before. he's a nice guy, he has even already helped other developers basically copying his plugin fr. ofc you can not always judge about random people from the internet, but when I talked to him I had the impression that he just has a vision for sound and making some money from that is just the natural consequence of being awesome
@@t3ch_n0 u can always still buy it after u cracked it and liked it 🫡 That's how we all used to do it back when there was no moneros to buy plugins with so i understand it, though i don't recommend it since it's always a safety risk! I agree a trial version makes total sense and i'm sure the Xynth Audio guys will eventually consider it!
correct me if im wrong but isnt Pitchmap Color almost identical to Chroma except has more control? ik he said pitchmap in this video but specifically pitchmap color.
@@sinsrip it's quite different technically. Chroma has an extremely low latency in total, while pitchmap, as a spectral domain effect, has a lot of latency and is less cpu-friendly. the sound is also very different. pitchmap has higher pitches, but also a weirder transient behaviour in the way it resculpts audio
I personally adore the plugin
It does the job very well and it brought me out of writer’s block because it conjured so many ideas
I think its 100% worth it
I bought and dont regret it
i regret it
@@DiarrheaFartss 😭
@@DiarrheaFartssYou can probably get a refund quickly. Company is a few producers. They're even commenting on this video. Just reply to them or the official Xnyth audio channel.
I don't regret it
chroma just kinda like cheat code of colour bass :) but i wish they would add free trial to us for satisfy
1:06 i thought i found a chest in fornite for a second.
I bought it and love it for certain things but not just slapping it on like all the color music. The sound was already getting overused when it was pitchmap but now it’s done in a few clicks from opening the plugin. Don’t get me wrong that texture is beautiful and there’s a few really cool ways to get cool results, but that sound is like a bait for newbie producers. A one trick pony sound that’s getting used by everyone is basically ASKING for people to ignore your music. Great thoughts on the plug-in, developers did a nice job.
great take on it-,, thank u
as a wiseman said:
"if you believe your plugin is good, you'll be more confident to add free trial."
Have you tried "playing" chroma with midi input? I found it a bit more versatile that way. Still has some issues, could do with a latch and more scales.
I really found Chroma best for taming wilder plugjns and samples into something more musical. Apply sparingly to the affected area!
Just to throw my word in, I’ve been making music for 11 years for reference. I love this plug in, the results are a lot cleaner and more consistent in this than pitchmap imo. But I do agree with your points, adjustable full frequency bands would be idea as an option. Just to toggle it on or something to test it on certain sounds. The customisation of key biases based on frequency would be great, but I couldn’t see them adding that personally. I’ll argue you can’t go wrong for $40, that’s nothing in the plugin world and for what it does, it does it all really high quality, especially in HQ mode. Love chroma and like that it has a different flavour to pitch map
your point is on the map, i bought it to try it out and ive realized i will not end up using it as much as i thought. i free trail would have been useful
I actually use Chroma for a completely different purpose than Color Bass. I mainly make UK Garage, Jungle and overall broken beat music in the 140-160BPM range, and I have a tendency to use Chroma in conjunction with the Amigo sampler and a lo-fi plugin of choice (OCZ 45 is my sauce) to open the way for gritty, diluted but in-key pads, and washing guitars and percussion into wetland. Playing with note variation (And healthy frequency pitch experimentation pre-Chroma) leads to incredibly cool sonic exploration. Like all simple plugins, its taking it out of its intended useage that usually reaps the rewards, and I have found this ultra-modern plugin gives the exact texture I was looking for in my otherwise rugged and raw 90's style compositions
i'm lowkey tempted to try it, but i have one major concern. i would love to use this as a way to make samples and sounds fit into a certain key, make samples with atonal/out of key elements fit nicely into a key, but without making it into this colorbassy mess. the concept of shifting the harmonics to be in scale sounds great, but all ive heard done with it so far is colorbass sounds. anyone who has it, is it useful for what i'm talking about?
Not rly, use autotune (newtone in FL studio) or some other version of it, then ur shifting based soley off the fundamental, not shifting each frequency separately. Thats what makes the color bass type of sound.
(and by autotune, I mean one that isnt in real time, that you can edit each part of the sample, rather than one that automatically pitch corrects in real time)
@@t3ch_n0 thanks for the explanation!
how do you make your audio clips and automation clips look like that
A free trial is actually a dealbreaker for me unfortunately. Also the fact that any time I’ve seen it used it always ends in the sale result. Like you said it’s a one trick pony
Bro just sold me even more on it 😅
ts funny, nice tut
Whats the difference with scaler EQ? I am curious why i should go with this one instead of scaler eq. If someone has some good arguments, please let me know!
And thats the problem 😏
if you throw on pitch wheel plugin AFTER an effect, it will also pitch up the previous effects in your chain. i do this with reverb for tuned reverb pitch bends. it works great. so try pitching up this effect after you throw it on, maybe it will work. maybe it wont. pls dont kill me if it dont :)
Am I right to say that this is not an auto tune per-se but more a spectral resonator? The reason why I say this is cus it seems to not move any frequenices in the noise (there is still stuff in between the harmonics it feels like...). This style of production is not what I normally do so I might be wrong here...
Its definitely not an auto tune. It is, essentially, a spectral resonator from what I can tell, just a really easy to use one. Still hoping for them to update it.
@@t3ch_n0 yeah an update for this would be nice, although I have no idea how practical it would be to get propper full frequency processing from something like this. Frequencies close to niquist tent to produce strange results for plugin development (again not an expert but at least I can say I have experimented with this, having build just a handfull of plugins myself)
Hi There , i own scaler EQ , are they same thing ? should i invest in this VST ? thanks
Im not very familiar with scaler eq, but they do seem to have some similarities. I would hold off on chroma for now, untill they add a free trial, or atleast add some features
Scaler EQ is a resonance suppressor/inducer. So no pitch/frequency shifting
yeah, pitchmap is 3.5x more expensive, _unless-_
Woah there buddy, better hope the internet police dont catch you 😂
I already bought it😭😭😭
I'm going to try to make a banger track with nothing but Audacity and free plugins.
Take it a step further and use soundtrap
nahh use windows movie maker 💀@@Nebvla
Free plugins isn’t even a challenge anymore, like not for a while. Vital and Surge for free synths, and countless free sample libraries and effects.
Free DAWs are still lagging behind a bit though, though at this point is Ardour is not too far from being on the same level as the main DAWs. Idk why you would want to use Audacity tho, it’s not even really a DAW in the modern sense.
@@KnzoVortex I used to use lmms very free
What is ardour?
i thought u were talking about chroma the japanese music artist i was about to go crazy
I think it's simple.
You do only music production? then Chroma is perfect, Pitchmap can be overkill
You do sound design for games/movies like I do? Chroma isn't enough.
It's a cool plugin, really well done and I love Nasko!! But Pitchmap is way better, I love having controls of tiny things, like transient "let through" control that Zynaptiq plugins have!
Regardless, Chroma has resurged my interest in making nusic, as the music I've always wanted to make is not a lot easier. Its not color bass.
trust me when I tell you, you do NOT want it on anything above 4k. that's how you get really dogshit highend on all of your basses. imagine high end with a bunch of randomly resonant peaks.
Trust me when I tell you. I DO want to try that myself and figure out if I like it. Arbitrary limitations are dumb imho
@@t3ch_n0Yup. Especially in music. So much of our musical innovations over the decades were the result of people doing the thing they "shouldn't do".
@@t3ch_n0 tell me what ur gonna do with after you've pitchmapped 4khz-20khz.
@@cody42693 theres nothing wrong with musical innovation, but this isn't innovation in the slightest. you've already been able to throw resonant peaks on your highend for decades. what can u do with this that you couldn't have already done before? it just feels like ur just saying that.
@courgette2445 With all the nuances that can add to resampling something you mangle, you really don't think using this plugin will give you a different result than something else? There's a million directions you can go after resampling out of this and it will never sound the exact same if you used something else. The possibilities are endless.
just give me a "solo" option and i'm happy with chroma. at 200% it sounds different if i'm not tripping. solo option would allow to use it as a send and processed individually
thankfully r2r and other groups drop cracks of these plugins immediately after they come out lol
its available I did see it....i wouldn't buy it imo
Shout out r2r and crack teams
lol you use cracked stuff and “shout out” to them, how shameless
im very surprised that a lot of people dont know how nice the xynth team is
if you're broke or smth jusk nicely ask them
@@ShibuyaNasunot everyone can afford spare plugins and it's a nice way to at least try stuff out before buying it one day
Cool plugin and much more concise but zero reason to use this over pitchmap if you wanna go in depth
This is jokes
What you made in the first clip doesnt even require chroma
just learn music theory if you wanna write cool chords
I agree that learning music theory is a big part of it. But, I will say, chroma does have a certain characteristic to it, that sounds nice, and is easy to get out of any sound. Chroma DEFINITELY helped to make that first clip, and without it, it sounds much different.
That being said, it needs more features, and less limitations for me to say its worth the hype and the money.
I believe the price of 40 dollars is suitable for Chroma. It does what it says on the tin, rapidly and with ease of use.
Perhaps I'm just unaware, but I believe if you can't treat yourself to a 40 dollar piece of software then perhaps sorting your finances out should be prioritised over making music.
The real problem is that it sounds bad af, all washed up, it turns anything you throw at it into a resonances mess.
It's not fixing any problems, it's adding some more on top of them.
imo it’s so overrated thing. nasko should do more music instead of this)
it's coming! :) Being an artist in the eu is tough as nails atm, so projects like chroma help fund me making music fulltime 😇
Over glorified autotuner.