Why A 5 Year Time Jump Could Have Saved Game of Thrones
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Hotpie could have spent that time becoming a Michelin star chef.
Dude, you think he talked about how to properly make a pie gravy before? Imagine how chatty he would be after spending 5 years perfecting it. The hottest pie.
Lol yea or the pies could used to serve at the royal weddings thus giving him access to the red keep on a regular or in the tyrell or dorne balls which later helps Arya in her pursuit of killing Marcella instead of the wife. She could’ve killed her at the birth of first born son for Cersei to witness as a masked man etc. so much man so much. This show could’ve been like greys anatomy with the seasons. It’s enthralling and the time skips gives so much more to the story lines bc we dk what we dk
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He was well on track for it
Whew! I thought you were gonna say “Michelin Man” there.
instead, we have a 13 years book skip
Lmaoooooo
Someone will graduate HS in the span between books.
I feel bad for him. Pressure doesn't aid creativity for everyone. I couldn't finish homework without it, but creative work suffers.
13 years and counting. We have no idea when the next book might come out it could be next year. It could be five more years. Apparently he’s only 75% of the way through.
@ryansantiago3587 plus however God long he finishes a dream of spring😊
@@DUDETHATLIKESMEMES grrm is 75 years old. He will likely never get to dream of spring at this rate
George's mistake wasn't failing to put in a time skip. It was failing to write the last two books while the series was on the air. That would have saved Game of Thrones.
Heresy
He will probably never complete the books now that the show has ruined his work
True but GRRM confirmed that there would've been things happening in Kings Landing that couldn't be skipped
@@redx4013That's ridiculous. The show is an adaptation, not the source themselves.
That would have given us some great storylines
Stannis plot line…..
It wouldn't have made any sense. Which is why George didn't do it in the books
@@Dewrassd yes exactly
World of westeros is so happening from the days of the conqueror
@@Dewrassd so daenerys dragons being that huge while being young was makes sense ? I knew nearly all dragons from got and yet there wasn`t a dragon that huge in that little time, even their mothers not that huge and we dont have info about their fathers, just bcs they dont wanted to wait they just make them bigger
@@k0pafti401 That was in the show tbf. The dragons aren't nearly as big in the books.
Sam would've been far into his maester studies too, and we wouldn't have had to read all those Brienne chapters where she's just wandering about...
Lol what’s she like wandering around
Like yk we never see characters in chill long moments. I’m curious
@@aluardghirmai5010boring tbh. The Brienne chapters are LITERALLY just her wandering around, thinking about Jamie, asking people if they’ve seen Sansa, thinking about how she’s ugly.
@@lmaoashley so what is her whole vibe is hating herself. I like it in that it adds depth sorta kinda plain but yk at least there’s commitment
@@aluardghirmai5010 those were honestly my favorite chapters of feast for crows
@@coltonfagundes5755same here. Nimble dick chapters were awesome!
The moment George realised he made his characters too young and the political conflicts too fast but it was too late to fix it.
He made everyone far too young and it was most definitely on purpose
That's why we still don't have WoW
@@Bella_The_Chef yeah but later he wanted some characters to be old enough to be able to do things for the plot, and they weren't old enough and he got stuck on how to make things work. Fair example is Ned Dayne. The most obvious difference from the show is that Drogon didn't have enough time to grow, but he still needs Daenerys to cross the narrow sea as soon as possible.
@@Kate-rv6kx winds of winter is never coming because he doesn’t care
Life expectancy during the medieval times wasn't that high so people used to go through the most useful parts of there lives when they were still teenagers.
I believe he said that there were two major reasons why a 5 year timskip wouldn't work in the end:
The walkers and Cersei wouldn't spend 5 years rolling their thumbs
I think the biggest reason was dorne. Because it wouldn’t make sense if the Dornish didn’t do anything after oberyn’s death for 5 years. And iron islands cause balon just died, but that had a plan with the rumored 150 page prologue that got scrapped
@@aripeters2412 fair point!
@@aripeters2412 I also think George specifically wanted to show the aftermath of the war. Cersei, Brienne and Jaime’s pov chapters bring nice insight.
And a Feast for crows is my personal favourite of all the book titles lol
@@StartTheJoust yeah that’s fair but I think that could have been explored with a 5 year gap with simple flashbacks similar to roberts rebellion memories. But it wouldn’t be as good as it’s done in AFFC
@@aripeters2412thats just not true
Because what Dorne is doing right now is like a 20 year long revenge plot for killing some of their relatives in Roberts rebellion it's one of Oberyns character flaws of waiting to long and not taking risks
As for the Iron Islands Euron literally tries to become a god right now and is conqering in the south which takes time so him taking a coupe of years really isn't a problem
I reckon his biggest mistake was forgetting to finish the story.
Can't be a mistake if he isn't done yet. He would have to die for it to have a final judgement. You can't say a ship never arrived if it is still en route. He objectively has no blame in the show's failure at the end. The writers CHOSE to eliminate main characters amd plot lines BEFORE they even reached ADWD, before they even reached Feast. If i wrote two books about a flood and the thkrd book about living on the ocean has not been written yet, it is not my fault if the person adapting my book decides to write about a eternal drought. Now it doesn't matter what i write about a ocean society. The adaptation ruined that for themselves. You can't leave a desert at season 4 and then season five starts and they are suddenly adapting my characters living on boats in an ocean world. They screwed themselves
@@6tiple6ix6afia maybe you should finish the books with that banging script you just wrote 😅
Nah he didn’t forget anything. Some writers have trouble finishing works for a whole host of reasons. I’m the same. I’ve struggled to finish my book for many reasons. George himself said he’s had trouble finishing them. Not that he forgot
@@pHixiq maybe he should have had it worked out before he released anything.
@@pHixiqits not even the last book, he has no idea how GoT ends and last book will come out in 2040
Theon being Reek for five years 😱
And Stannis? Is he just chilling at the Wall for 5 years?
That is one of the major reasons why George decided it wouldn't have worked, because Stannis and Cersi wouldn't wait 5 years to put their plans into motion.
@@SpeedwagonZaidan Yeah For Stannis and Cersei the time skip doesn’t work but honestly I kinda feel like George could have hand waved it away. Idk I think that the skip is so great for pretty much every other character that sacrifices could have been made.
@@SpeedwagonZaidanjust off screen
@@BrawnyStream In the show, the reason why he moves out is to not be trapped by the winter. If the winter fell hard one night, he would have to stay at Castle Black as his army could not move in such weather, and certainly not battle. That would give him the opportunity to stay at the Wall and be there for some time without being unnatural for the character
And all the major political players sat around for 5 years doing nothing... yea George made the right choice. Hell Euron had already killed his brother by the end of the 3rd book... and people are already annoyed the white walkers didn't do much books 4/5... and they would have done literally nothing I'm 5 years.
The only problem is that the GOT team didn’t have the writing chops to make any of these storylines work without the books as a guide, just like what happened without this time jump
Yep, after season 4 it felt like they didnt know what they were doing and a lot of the characters just lost what made them so great.
@@browniebot6143 kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
In their defense (not that I’m a fan of D&D by any means) it’s almost impossible to finish someone’s else’s story and not have it begin to sound and feel incredibly different. The only person who can finish the story is George. There’s not a director or screenplay writer out there that could’ve done it without him. Because it’s not their story.
@@TheProdigy_916I would say season 5 was pretty good but nothing like the previous seasons, 6-7 I only enjoyed because I’m just a fan of the game of thrones story and universe as well as the beautiful directing but the writing was very faulted. I’m just so angry with George why would you not finish the books… not he’s 80 years old and it’s kind of to late now.
@@TheProdigy_916BS. It’s because George is a generational novelist and television/screenplay writers are nothing in comparison. George’s books are so many leagues ahead of what these people are capable of crafting
And the Night King would have multiplied his army and fu**ed them up
The Night King doesn't even exist in the books -- though, yes, the WW's would have grown.
Night king is the cool character
By that time the white walkers would have finished them all one by one
Well no they need to break the wall. I don’t think they would jsut stop but I mean they don’t have much of a choice to go much further
Before S7 I saw a lot of theories about them going around the wall by either using boats or walking on frozen water. Not to brag but I always thought the wall had to come down one way or another, it’s a centerpiece from the start of the show so I thought it would break somehow.
@@incizor1273Euron would be the foolish d!€k to do that but there is no way Horn of Joramun would be made of Valyrian steel or have dragon embroidery or something if I am not wrong
The Wall probably has some magical properties that prevents Walkers to cross, climb or even walk or swim around it. I suspect there will be some plot with the horn of winter that is mentioned too much to not lead anywhere and someone will blow it and shatter the Wall and allow them to cross, afterwards - this could very well still be accomodated into the 5 year gap.
It's Jon's death that is the problem - how do you want to revive Jon to accomodate the 5 year gap? Jon dies in DwD and then is magically alive 5 year later? Well, you can just not kill him, which would have made more sense for the show because it didn't really lead anywhere anyway - it would be too stupid and probably the least sensible for the gap out of all the other arcs, that along with Stannis and Theon and overall Northern arcs in general where they are pressured for time because their food is running low and dept to Iron Bank is due.
@@andyhx2 Jon's death means he can leave the Black without breaking his vow.
He died, his watch has ended, he can thus go wherever he wants then.
It would not take Tyrion 5 years to make it to Mereen.
He could have spend 5 years drinking all the wine in Pentos before moving to Meereen... Would also explain Jorah's desperation to kidnap him... or he could have spend the time teaching fAegon on Westeros
Hell look at his legs lmao, by the time tyrion enters the throne room after reaching the red keep there's been 2 new kings💀
He could be just not thinking in do nothing special. Just getting the best way of life in an alcoholic journey
Maybe it took 4 years for Dany to agree to see him?
He could have went to Mereen with Jorah and stayed in hiding until he got an audience with Daenerys
The White Walkers would’ve breached the wall within 5 years.
Stannis isn’t patient, and so even if waiting until Cersei’s power weakens, he’ll find a solution to take the Iron Throne sooner.
With the way Cersei was ruling, the consequences of her stupidity would possibly literally topple onto her way sooner than 5 years.
And who the hell knows what the Boltons and Greyjoys would be doing within that timeframe.
Also what would jaime and Brienne be doing? Do we really think Dany would sit in mereen for 5 years knowing that westeros is aware of her existence and plans to conquer? Too many plot lines would be butchered by a time jump.
@@brandocalrissian3294 Jaime and Brienne would probably be happy protecting any surviving Starks.
Dany still has lots of problems to fix in Mareen, and Westeros has known about her existence for years now, and still didn’t do anything about it after Robert’s attempt to assassinate her.
True, but a time skip is till necessary, at least a year or two! There is no way for the books wrapping up the WW storyline better than the show if he has only two books to wrap up the story, and the Winter needs to be the longest winter in living memory.
The walkers couldn't pass thru the wall without the ice dragon.
@@automaticmattywhack1470 they absolutely could’ve climbed over it. The dragon just made things easier.
Political conflicts were going too fast meaning a 5 year time skip wouldn’t make sense
I agree with this. WWII didn't have a 5 year time gap.
@@brianmerritt5410 True, but there was a huge gap between WWI and WWII. It doesn't make any sense for any Westerosi to want to go to war again for Dany and fAegon, after losing so many people because of the Starks and Lannisters. On top of that, winter is here!
All the more sad really considering HotD had multiple time jumps and it worked.
Overall HoTD still sucked in later parts of 1st season. That whole Alicent vs Otto trying to catch Aegon was hilarious and that Rhaenys sheboss moment was absurd😂
Did it work tho? …..did it?
It worked, but they should've introduced some character bonding, like Rhaenyra and Strongs relationship a bit more before doing a timeskip. They did it so that the second season would be the start of the dance tho, so it is understandable. Would be awesome if they shoot 1-3 extra episodes for season one to just explore these characters a bit more and their relationship.
Daemons adventures too, and his, rhaenyra and -i forgot her name, married to daemon- Their relationship had much more to it and couldve been explored too
@@EstellarLuit didn't work. Because nobody friggin cares about Rhaenyra's kids at all, nor for Hightower ones.. with the season ending with: "oh.. not that kid.. who is he again?" moment.. the only good character in the show is Daemon.
Ehh... did it work though? When they did the first time skip, going from "Oh no war is going to break out" to "Wow this war has been going raging for Years" you are going to sit there and tell me you weren't immensely disappointed at the lazy writing...
the reason why the last kingdom show worked so well was because it had quite a few time jumps both in between seasons and also within the seasons themselves. this allowed for the show to recontextualise events and was able to pace out the story in away that didn't feel rushed despite the jump ahead in time. the show decided to focus heavily on the mainline events and knew what irrelevant stuff from the books to cut. (there are things in a story that you don't need to see and you can get away with.)
season 2 of the last kingdom had a 3 year timeskip half-way through and there is like 15 years in-between season 2 and 3 then another 5 years between 3 and 4 then 10 years between 4 and 5. with a massive 20 years in between season 5 and the Movie 7 kings must die (with Uhtred in his mid 80s)
game of thrones should have done timeskips in-between seasons and allowed for it's story to breath and establish more permanency which would allow for way more breathing room for the writers.
the last kingdom books(13 total) encompass Uthred entire life from when ragnar the fearless first arrives all the way to when he’s an old man in his 70s-90s which rlly opened up the worldbuilding and character development
Too many events take place in the time of the first two books. For example, there is no way Stannis would be able to spend 5 years camped out at the wall. The Boltons would take him to field much sooner than that if it came to it. Anything regarding a Northern civil war, such as the manderleys betraying the Boltons would have already happened or would not happen at all, thus making it entirely “off screen”. Look how much power the Tyrells and their Banner-men achieved in the main series, does Cersei really want to give them five years to gain more?
GoT just devolved into a main stream show for the masses, wit princes and princesses flying in dragons, lots of action scenes with deux ex machima to "save at the las second", the masses love that, like when a plane falls into a mountain and out of nowhere appears climbing with drama music, the plebs love that!
The best show ever created: The Last Kingdom.
I am forever a Game of Thrones fan. But. yep... GRRM stopped watching GOT for The Last Kingdom. Google it. Thanks for everything GRRM. Now, can you please finish the books? Really.. Please.
Did it really though? That show started out good but got horrifically bad when they started doing Time Jumps to get out of writing themselves into a Corner. The only time Jump that made sense was the initial "here's Uthred the Kid and now Adults" jump.
All characters but Lannisters and Stannis would seemingly have benefited from this situation, but I'm still not sure if timeskip would be a good idea, since it would basically imply that nothing interesting has happened in those 5 years, which is a bit of a cop-out. Besides, the issue in later part of the series wasn't just the plot (in some cases it was) but the fact that pacing was all over the place.
From what I've understood, George realized that there were too many interesting bits in between and that these would've been too many flashbacks, and conclusions spoiled. Stannis wouldn't have been allowed to sit and wait for 5 years at the wall with the Boltons ruling, not to mention the castles at the wall arent built to defend from invaders from the south.
The problem with them is that Stannis' men were all southerners, there's no way Cersei wouldn't have gone after their homes and families to get them to defect.
@@DaDunge that and Stannis spending 5 years in the North without fighting the Boltons would be suicide. The only reason he would do that was if it was winter, but then the Others would be invading anyway.
That means Ramsey Bolton would be the Worden of the North for five years.
The North would likely be fine, it’s ruled by Roose then not Ramsay and Roose was being a practical ruler. Unfortunate locals and any nobles unlucky enough to become their prisoner would be fucked but the situation isn’t too bleak
@@hildaenjoyer8862 huh, must have missed that. Been too long since I've read the books I get them mixed up with the show. Thank you for correcting me.
@@hildaenjoyer8862The beginning of the timeskip can start with Roose dying for some reason (killed by his “enemies” lol) allowing for a beginning of the end of House Bolton with Ramsay at the head.
That is a LONG time for Stannis to do nothing. The war wasn't ending while he was still alive.
George's mistake was the Red Wedding. It is the most iconic moment in the series, but it also left the story directionless. I don't think he should have avoided the Red Wedding, it simply should have happened at the same time Jon gets killed and Dany is ready to leave Essos. That way we don't have a book with Brienne wandering about aimlessly and Cersei messing up pointlessly. We get the Red Wedding, that causes Jon to try to abandon his vows and get killed, Dany starts towards Westeros, Tyrion's trial, Tywin's death, etc. People complain that the show gets worse as time went on, but so did the books, and I genuinely believe it was because George wrote himself into a corner with the Red Wedding.
Podrick could’ve spent that time learning more secrets
Tbh if he made it a year gap instead it could also work in many cases (Arya training for example) and it wouldn't be as bad as 5 years in other cases (Stannis for example).
Even though 1 single year isn't that much, all characters would grow a bit older, dragons too... it could help a bit 🤷🏻♂️ He could also do multiple smaller one year jumps. But well 😅
Thats what i was thinking, cut it in half or make it like a year and a half or something 🤷🏽♂️
He could have had AFFC span at least a year, so that Sansa and Arya could study properly. Then start ADWD with the Stannis/Boltons resolution, and then another time skip. If the Boltons win then they just stay in the North for years, and if Stannis wins, he can also stay in Winterfell because of winter, giving Westeros a year or two to recover.
Jon would’ve been a better strategist in the Battle of the Bastards and Euron Greyjoy could’ve been something better. And Shireen would be in her early teens and Gendry, Sansa, Bran, and Arya would grow to be adults and Sansa could’ve studied carefully under Littlefinger’s tutelage so that she can usurp him. Also, Dorne would be able to better plot against the Lannisters by having Trystane and Myrcella get married, secretly take out Cersei like how Joffrey was secretly taken out, and then the Crown establishes allies. Also, no need to impress Cersei with an undead
The show could've picked up with Euron killing the last Greyjoy pretender king with his elite mute marines.
It’s VERY hard to do this when you have child & teenage actors though 💯
I don’t normally agree with ideas to fix the show. But wow this actually sounds like a solid solution. Also if they focus on more detail from the books to draw things out. Great video ❤🙏🏼
Myrcella becoming Queen is the most interesting theory to me. I suspect the situation with Tommen and the Highsparrow would still play out as it had. But Cersei’s ego would not allow her to surrender the Iron Throne to her Daughter. I suspect Myrcella’s compassion and reasoning gained from her stay in Dorne would rally other great houses to her cause. Probably would decide not to go to war with Danaerys as well with the some convincing from Tyrion and House Martell. Also resulting in the crown being rational about the things happening North of the Wall. Yadda yadda yadda.. Great theory imo
I am currently on season 5’s episode number 8 and there is so much going to come in further series and i am so excited about firstly i was hesitating to start the series but i am now so thanks to myself for starting the series i can now finally say that this is the best series i have ever seen😊❤😊❤😢😮😢😮
hey it's been a month now... U probably finsihed it no ? Can u say the same after the horrible season 8 ... xq
D&D squandered that opportunity over it was George’s mistake of failing to complete his books
Do you realize how hard that would be for the show, though? Characters like Varys might have been able to get by with make-up after only one year off of filming, but others like Arya could never look like they had aged a full five years in merely one year.
How about a year-and-a-half I say it three-year time skip? What do we bring in another actress to play arya?
@@attiepollard7847The time jump with different actors worked in HOTD after only 5 episodes, even though there was some outcry from viewers after S01E06 originally aired which I believe mostly went away after seeing the great performances by Emma D’Arcy and Olivia Cooke. But I bet there would have been a lot of angry fans had GOT replaced all the younger actors after 4 seasons, Maise Williams (Arya), Sophie Turner (Sansa), Isaac Hempstead Wright (Bran), Art Parkinson (Rickon) etc.
have you ever looked at arya's actress, though? she still looked 16 when the show ended, and she was freaking twenty 😭
but the real problem with GoT was never a timeskip, it was the directors who didn't want the project anymore, but were too egotistical to give it to others (HBO would've made 13 seasons, like GRRM sugested he'd help them to do, if they had agreed)
Well, more than five years passed in the show anyways. It was pointless to have a pause. TV doesn’t work that way.
The cinematography of Faramir’s charge while Pippin sings, cut in with Denethor’s sloppy eating is so soul-crushing. 😢
Lol
George should've gone with the 5 year time skip. He said it's unrealistic for nothing to happen for 5 years, but he forgets the saying "there are years where nothing happens and there are weeks where decades happen."
Having a period of stability and then a large event that all the characters react to would've really helped the pacing.
The problem with that is there is an active war going on in Westeros. Usually uneventful years are peaceful. While sometimes conflicts are frozen, Stannis would not sit idly by, nor would those opposed to Daenerys, as they know her dragons grow larger by the year, and thus would attempt to stop her as soon as possible.
The Boltons would've attacked Stannis and Jon. White walkers would have attacked Bran. Brienne would be a wandering knight for 5 years.
For the 1 millionth time this rumor going around the internet that George planned a 5-year time skip is based on an outline he had written in order to get an advance he never intended to stay loyal to that outline he always intended to write something different than that outline.
Yeah that outline was so completely different. It said the series was going to be a trilogy and that Daenerys would invade Westeros in book TWO.
We're not taking out any floor sweeping montages. It is the law
And when did George state this? Before or after the rough draft/outline he gave Dan & Dave blew up? Because it sounds like he came up with this after the fact as it would have bought him time to finish his books. Books that still aren't finished 12 years later. Though I do agree a time gap would have fleshed things out better.
there was a problem, Stannis would never wait 5 years, the man was too impatient.
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His biggest mistake was not making jon snow the king if not so he should atleast tell everyone in the realm about true identity of snow
I could buy a 1 maybe 2 year timegap for all these good reasons, but 5 is too long. A conflict equal to WWII wouldn't hit stalemate for 5 years.
The books suffer from ths. As it's clear he didn't have a good plan outside of the time skip. His excuse was "Well I would have to do a bunch of flashbacks to explain things". No, no you wouldn't. Just like the first book Game of Thrones didn't require a bunch of flashbacks.
I think he just felt overwhelmed by character continuity. As all his characters would have to have grown over the 5 years and would be slightly different. And without having actually wrote about all their experiences he was having a difficult time coming to terms with it.
Considering the show was literally at its peak after season 4 that would have been very unlikely the year off. Though a time jump could have helped adjusting the structure for afterwards
I truly believe when he decided to skip the 5 year gap, he couldn't figure out how to get to where he wants to be
This would’ve been soooooo much better, Jon Snow as lord commander for 5 years, Sansa exploring with littlefinger like damn, the show really robbed us
And the white walkers could've spend that time building boats to sail to King's Landing.
You mean in the show or in the books? I heard that he planned on making the series a coming of age thing where the main 5 (Bran, Dany, Tyrion, Jon & Arya) would grow a few years throughout the events but for whatever reason he changed his mind. And expecting D & D to do something spontaneous like that with their own brains would be a dumb expectation anyway.
GRRM explained it in interviews and on his blog that a lot of storylines just wouldn't logically pause five years.
Stannis, Ironborn, Dorne and the Lannister siblings wouldn't sit still for five years.
And the white walkers would be busy doodling on the ground for 5 years…and the North would say “winter is leaving”
The show married Sansa to Ramsey.
there would be nothing left of sansa after 5 years with ramsey
In the books Ramsay marries her best friend jeyne pool who they are passing off as Arya.
As Cletus once said in a Simpsons episode 'coulda but didn't'. I recall George RR Martin saying when he tried writing it like that all the characters ended up doing was having flashbacks so he gave up on the idea.
what would Jaime be doing
A time jump wouldn't work in the books for many of the plot lines, jaime included.
I literally cannot think of a time that a time jump in a tv series was a good thing.
Not the finger hearts!! 🤣🤣
Yeah because we all know everyone in Game of Thrones would just wait 5 years before murdering each other.
Stanis's troops were often on the verge of desertion anyway. 6 months on the wall castles, even with victorious battle spoils, would still get him 90% deserters... then a later point, he will still lose a battle against some bigger force.
What about the white walkers? Will they just wait and not attack? And Stannis wouldn’t wait either how his character is written. A year or 2 years of gap would’ve made sense but even then a bit of a long time on how the situation was left.
Daenarys wouldn't have been able to hold Mareen for 5 years. The books make it clear she's good at burning cities, not ruling them.
Whenever rob speaks I sometimes wish I was born without ears
i mean all of those happened in the books with a proper timeline and while not fucking it up
It did fuck it up because it made the story too big to finish while a timeskip in the books could have landed far better ground work for the run in
@@hildaenjoyer8862 i am pretty sure george while beginning the book didnt think it would get a series
And Night King would have spent that time denying the existence of your theory
I would argue that GRRM shouldn't have abandoned the time skip, because books 4 & 5 are UNREADABLE as they are.
Unreadable? 4 was slow but I thought 5 was really good
Aside from the break neck pacing from book 3 being gone I though 4/5 were very good. I think book 5 would have been considered equal to book 3 if GRRM had finished at least one of rhe battles to finish off the book.
@@AustinHC4 and 5 are essentially 1 book split in 2. The story moves forward at a snail's pace while introducing unnecessary new characters and plotlines when it _should_ have been building on the existing ones and prepping for the conclusion. George got high on fame and has been treading water these past 23 years. His credibility as a writer is going up in flames like the SS Sultana, and he has only himself to blame for selling out and losing motivation. Fraudulent old grifter.
@@septimiusseverus343 Not only split in two, but with the ending cut out. If the book was getting too long, he should have split it into three, not two. After all, act one was three books, it makes sense to make act two a trilogy as well. That way we get three books of reasonable length and a decent conclusion, instead of two unbearably long books that go nowhere.
@@nickkelly3199 If I had to hear cyvasse mentioned one more time, I would have thrown the book against the wall.
Pretty sure this is the reason winds is taking so long. He’s had to rework the entire second half
In addition, Dumb and Dumber should have waited 5 more years to even start filming season 1. That would have given George Martin valuable time without fame and all the distractions that come with it, to get on with the remaining books already.
Or the show should have had better writers then Dumb and Dumber.
That's a much better story than what we got :(
Wow, I never really considered the time jump aspect, but you're right, I think it would have been the correct decision.
That idea works for some characters, like Arya and Bran, but it sounds like an awful idea for the others. In 5 years surely Margaery and Tommen would have wed and had 2 children, also we'd have to see how Cersei had been misruling the kingdoms for 5 years and what she did and how much Tommen did as king, it would have been a big shock to see Myrcella hsd crowned herself as queen somehow usurping her brother and mother. Sansa and Littlefinger making the Vale their own makes sense, aftrr Lysa died the lords of the vale seemed alright with littlefinger, but littlefinger was a lord who was always plotting something, either he would have married Sansa by now or done something else, hes too busy of a character to just forget for 5 years. Stannis also wouldnt man the castle for 5 years, hes not the nights watch, he would want to take winterfell sooner rather than later given that he had the men, he wouldnt leave the north under the boltons for 5 years. Also Jon had just defeated the wildings, do we assume he just has tormund as a prisoner fkr 5 years and never makes peace with them? Even the army of the dead would have done something by them. Also wtf would tyrion be doing for 5 years with varys until he gets to mereen. No i think overall its a bad idea
There should have been a time skip but absolutely none of those are the reasons why and it shouldn’t have happened after season 4, and 5 years would’ve been ridiculous. They should’ve done a one or two year time skip either after season 7 for season 8 (since it’s clear they wanted to rush to finish the show and if we assume that would’ve still been the same) OR a one or two year time skip after season 7 to continue the story for at least 2 more seasons - which I think would’ve been more reasonable if the showrunners and actors truly wanted to end working on the show. Because we know even with a time skip the show could’ve gone on for like 5 more seasons. It honestly still isn’t really clear to me why they didn’t do this for season 8 and start (roughly) around where Dany is becoming paranoid of the people around her.
The night king just chilling for 5 years
The night king would have had a couple extra years to grow his army as well :D
The best thing to do would have been making the situations of the characters that need the time jump unknown, leave it to imagination and set up the rest of things up, stannis and cersei for example and give a fresh start after 5 years in the timeline with major changes, leaving it to the audience to wonder what exactly took place and how it happened
Jon would never leave the north to the Boltens, it took him like 5 seconds to decide to march south after receiving the pink letter.
As bad as the ending was, from my experience with HoD time skip.
I’m really glad they didn’t do a 5 year skip after season 4.
I hate time skips in live-action shows.
It works in books, and it works in anime.
Changing an actor-actress for the same role always ruins a show for me, if they kept the entire original cast for the time skip the yeah maybe it would’ve been good.
Wow, that sounds amazing! Wish we got that time jump.
I agree that this is a perfect part in the story for a time skip, but I also find time skips somewhat “cheapen” the storytelling. It’s impossible that nothing eventful would happen for 5 years to any of these characters, so it would feel a bit odd to suddenly come back to them and have to learn what happened and how they’ve changed without experiencing it.
One problem with that last one... it would not take 5 years to get to Meereen.
We would have to end off the war with Tyrion being accepted as Daenarys' counsellor and that way they'd have 5 years to grow to trust each other.
I'm very mixed on the 5-year time jump. I can see it working but it wouldn't have made sense to not having much happening for those 5 years. And if things were happening, we would want to see them unfold. Sure, I would want to see the characters aged up and more mature, but seeing them get there is more satisfying than just arriving there.
I think it’s safe to say that the introducing whitewalkers ruins this idea.
Hodor could have learnt to speak a full sentence and got a herculean body with 8 PACs.
I imagine Tyrion just being a local drunk there
You think Stannis and his men would man the Wall for 5 years and The White Walkers never showing up during that time?
Also Edric Dayne would spend these 5 years training and eventually would grow up to be next Sword of the Morning, most likely participating in the Long Night, giving his sword Dawn (Lightbringer) to Jon for prophecy since that got scrapped we got another Dayne for that purpose, men call him Darkstar and he is of the night
I normally don’t like time jumps but this makes sense.
It’s the Cersei coulda spent time “Misruling the kingdoms” for me!!😂😂😂😂
And most importantly if they didn’t skip the time jump, Ned Dayne would have grown up and been the new generation Sword of the Morning.
The compression of the timeline definitely was one of my biggest gripes with the last couple seasons of the show. Even though it feels like such a waste to have episodes dedicated to showing how long the voyage from Esseros to Westeros would have been, like when they are roaming the red waste, it would have definitely added so much more depth to the story.
Also, shoving the fight against the Walkers into one episode was I think the only real absolute show ruining part of the last season.
I know it had to be incredibly difficult to try to figure out how to do the battle in any way shape or form, especially considering how ungodly the cost would have been, but I think the only real way to do it, would have been to dedicate atleast 3 or 4 episodes, spread out over a 6 month period to it.
I think they should have just had have the walkers slowly descend from the wall going down to kings landing; incredibly spread out and picking up more dead on their way. And instead of the armies making one final stand at Winterfell, they would have to send in different parties to try to get to the back of the line where the Night King is at, and assassinate him. Bran could have sent the Children of the Forest in from behind them, and Jon could have snuck in from the front, while Dany led the main forces at the front of the line, keeping them distracted, as much as they can.
Ya know what’s crazy? That literally any idea is better than what D&D came up with. Literally ANY.
All of them doing sum productive, while Tyrion is trynna get to Meereen in a 5 year time skip 💀
The rest is fine but 5years for Tyrian to reach Mereen???
What’s funny is that because it’s a show that has to be filmed one year after the other, they pretended that every season was basically a year apart from each other in the world itself.
Because in season 8 they seem to think it has been eight years since Ned Stark died and the war of five kings began.
Why do they have to take a year off?
Season 5 was filmed in 2014
Jon 18>23 - 28>29 Kit '86
Sansa 17>22 - 18>19 Sophie '96
Arya 15>20 - 17>18 Maisie '97
Bran 14>19 - 15>16 Isaac '99
Rickon 10>15 - 13>14 Art '01
I don't see what holding off a year does?
The timeskip works infinitely better in the show rather than the books
Agreed. It's not possible in the books without having multiple storyline make no sense.
The most important reason why a timeskip would be good is that the story is quite uninteresting after storm in comparison. Many characters are in a position of study and learning. Something we really don't need to see, also becoming a maester takes many years. Becoming a faceless probably takes a long time, either way since it's mysterious we don't need to see how Arya learns it.
Could've, would've, should've.
Although why would it take 5 years for Tyrion to get to Mereen?
I choose to believe that George is sitting on the last two books to release after his death. And he was counting on the downturn of the show to make people hungry for the real version and a completely redone series adaptation. His great grandchildren would be rolling in it
Night king laughing in the corner 😂
What are the Tyrells doing? How bad is reek and the north? Bryden Tully still holding Riverrun ?
Yes, I think the series would have been better if that five you gap existed. George was worried there would have been too many falshback. But the thing is , we didn't need all the gaps filled in.
Just treat things as a sequel, and write how the characters interact with their new envinroment. We didn't need to know why things are the way they are. That can just be a bit of mystery. And he could have always released an accessory book that lists what happenes inbetween in point form.
She’s such a breath of fresh air! I really hope we get her back for 50!
I mean, this would bring amazing development of all the storylines, but in the same way the world is so alive and dynamic, ots hard to imagine somebody of main heroes not dying behind the scenes or living through some absolutely traumatic experience, which could be displayed with flashbacks, but overall wouldn’t be so necessary
The problem is five years is too long. So much would have happened within that timeframe, and from the readers POV, we’ve basically just picked up from where we left off despite that, hence why George decided to scrap it