Bad Science & Bad Theology (Re: Sarah Therese, Why I Am Not Vegan)
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- Опубліковано 27 жов 2018
- My response to "Honest Opinion On The Vegan Community & Why I Am Not Vegan" by Sarah Therese
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Apologies for the audio-only during some of Sarah's clips. Something failed during rendering.
Respect for the theological argumentation here!
Overall I found this video very well put together, but what you said about sweat shops is very concerning. Sweat shops are modern slavery, if we stop buying fast fashion and invest in fair trade clothing and foods, we actually can help those people without exploit them. I used to think like you. But then I realized those countries do not need us from the rich west to save them by giving them crappy dangerous underpaid work opportunities. Without us supporting those harmful industries, those countries would be able to develop their own industries. You are arguing the same way slave owners used to, that without them the slaves would be even worse off and not be able to care for themselves. So with this theory we should continue to exploit those people to help them and can even feel good about it? I boycott all fast fashion, buy only second hand or fair sustainable fashion, and at the end I still save money because I don't buy products that won't last anymore.
Your foundation in this video looks really nice, what's the brand? :)
@@mariemai2902 Relative to the kinds of work available to people in countries in which sweatshops are profitable, sweatshop work is not crappy nor does it pay particularly poorly. People in poor countries cannot possibly develop their own industries on the scale of sweatshop work (or to any reasonable scale at all) except in extreme circumstances because of a massive lack of capital funds and insurance. If you're interested in reading more about the kinds of work available to the world's poorest people and the unique challenges that they face, I'd highly recommend Abhijit Banerjee and Esther Duflo's book Poor Economics.
While buying second-hand is great (especially for the environment), sustainable fashion brands tend to be significantly more expensive than fast fashion brands, and the money you spend by forgoing the cheaper product would go much, much further if you donated it to an effective charitable cause like malaria prevention, deworming, or even a direct cash transfer program (or one of Animal Charity Evaluators recommended charities!).
Marie Mai I get what you’re saying about sweatshops, it’s kind of the noblesse oblige concept, the old world idea of “but if I didn’t have a butler, what would he do?”
I don’t think it’s about NOT happening at all, it about the companies participating in capital flight being more responsible to their employees, paying fair wages for the social/cultural context, and ensuring proper safety standards are followed and met.
Her strawmanning of vegans is interesting, seeing this as a non-vegan. She's talking about about ultra-vegans. Which is similar to people talking about Christianity while only recognizing Young Earth Creationists and the hardline literal interpreters. Sure, those people exist and they're worth talking about, but they aren't the majority.
It's like people saying christians believe in a man on a cloud, when literally, in the major church of my country, the confirmation camp priests told us to stop believing in a man on a cloud. People who haven't been to confirmation camp and haven't taken the Christian Ethics course in upper secondary school don't even know what it is that we believe in, but they have their opinion about it.
Knowing Better true
exactly
Great to see you here, Knowing Better, I'm a big fan of your videos.
Just take the time to listen carefully to the whole reasoned presentation.
As a Christian Vegan, thank you!!! One of my favorite videos by far! I appreciate your thorough analysis of why her "cherry-picking" of the Bible is bs and dangerous.
Vegan Christian here! Agreed!
@@rebeccaa.3121 can't tell if it's a joke or sad...
Sammme my guy!
Me too girl! Just because you CAN doesn’t mean you HAVE to.
I'm Christian and a vegetarian who allows some dairy products and eggs. I commented about having many Christian friends and seminary professors who are now vegans or vegetarians because they want to do their best to benefit the environment. We are supposed to care for our planet and reduce pollution and other ways to help the environment.
As a Christian vegan myself, you have thoroughly debunked Sarah’s poor understanding of God’s word and veganism. Thank you. I am grateful that you were able to point out her hypocrisy without throwing Christianity under the bus as other atheist vegans do.
PhiloLingo: Yes! I totally misjudged the title.
She actually does her research. :)
Jakob Stubbs: I believe God exists because it wouldn’t be logical to believe otherwise in my opinion. If I see a 200 year old building, should I automatically assume that there was no builder simply because I can no longer meet the person who built it or because I didn’t watch them build it myself? Logically I know that a book, car, etc. did not make themselves. So how could I jump to the conclusion that something infinitely more complex than a book or car such as DNA could create itself from nothing- if there is no initial cause such as God. There is so much more evidence for the existence of God than there is for evolution/atheism. So many natural laws that our galaxy runs on that it is absurd to think that it all happened by mistake/chance. Especially knowing the odds of life existing on other planets. Yes, of course we agree to disagree. Thank you for sharing.
Jakob Stubbs: the answers to your questions are in the Bible, assuming that you have genuine questions. The Bible Project here on UA-cam does a phenomenal job bringing the Bible to life...
‘The Bible Project is
a non-profit animation studio that produces short-form, fully animated videos to make the biblical story accessible to everyone, everywhere. We create videos, podcasts, and study guides that explore the Bible’s unified story.
The Bible is a divine-human book that speaks God’s word to his people. We believe it ultimately points us to Jesus, who has the power to change individuals and whole communities when we let the biblical story speak for itself.
We focus on the Bible's overarching themes and each book’s literary design and are committed to understanding the Bible in its historical context.’
Jakob Stubbs: lol, okay, you win.
I really like how, instead of saying "religion is bullshit, that's not an excuse" (like i did at first), she went IN on the Bible and explained why it is perfectly christain to be vegan, this is why I love you, using her own faith against her!
No she didnt. She Cherry picked googled verses.
@@alreadydead5630 but that's kind of a point. People can cherry pick bible verses to suit their narrative and choices.
@@adriandaniels1 It makes it wrong. Thats my point.
@@alreadydead5630 It's wrong for the person she's responding to to do the same thing though. That's the point. If you have no problem with cherrypicking in your religion, then you can easily be a Christian and vegan.
@@roelin360 Thats an outsider thats looking in saying that and ones religion is their own. A stranger couldnt not tell me what I believe or dont but your saying you already know? How would you know whats being cherry picked out of my own religion? Have you read a Bible? And understood it?
Sarah: "I really hate this gotcha vegan internet culture"
Also Sarah: *spends 20 minutes being the embodiment of internet gotcha culture*
Kayti Thorn and calls herself a minimalist but has every single latest fad going on
Omggggg yes. You BETTER do everything right or you’re NOT VEGAN. Wtf?
That wasn't a "gotcha" reply at all. That was a serene, intelligent debunking of many falsehoods which might help many people who have doubts.
You should do a TED talk...
Your eloquence and arguments are way too good!
Thank you for this video
She can't because it would be 12 hours long to cover everything that she knows that others need to know. But yeah, I agree. I would share it with everyone.
I don’t believe people when they say “I’m not vegan because some vegans suck.” I just don’t think someone can be that stupid. Dishonesty seems more likely.
I can see not identifying with the label because of toxicity, but eating meat because you don't like vegans? That's just a bad excuse to do what you know is wrong.
@Andrea Robyn I agree with that, but would also add we have the option to be part of the movement and do it our own way. Identity should be self made, not reactionary to other people's.
Yea I agree, like you don’t need to identify as a vegan if that makes you uncomfortable because of the stereotype but I mean you can still eat a vegan diet or at the least be vegetarian
I don't want to be human anymore because some humans suck. I'm gonna be mermaid/ unicorn/ puppy whatever. Like seriously? Yeah sure there are psycho in vegan community, just like there are psycho in christianity. Rapist priests, psycho nuns, sick movements. You can't resign from sth just because some part of community's not with your values!
I'm sad you didn't see her previous videos. she literally said she doesn't feel anything when animals are tortured and laughed about throwing her goldfish into a toilet. then she turned it into a pro life propaganda and it was a mess. funny she deleted everything and posted this
It was even worse than a toilet, she put it down the disposal of her sink... Scary.
Why would someone find it necessary to brag about not feeling anything when animals are tortured??! Disgusting.
Klaudichu I remember! And that calls herself a Christian. It’s sad.
@Dance Electric As a pet owner of fish flushing them down the toilet alive is one of the most cruel things you could do. The presence of chlorine in the water kills them slowly, causing suffocation and for them to essentially burn up. The only sort of humane way to put down a suffering fish is to use clove oil. When added to the fish tank in the right amount and period of time it slips the fish into essentially a coma before their organs shut down from the overdose of clove.
Of course none of this shit matters to Sarah Therese, as she doesn't care about suffering or pain like any normal human (vegan or omnivorous) would.
@@emiliejaneXOXO OMFG wow!
"I don't want to be vegan because of THOSE vegans" *goes on to be THAT Christian*
wow. you're the reason I don't talk about my religion fucking thanks.
thank you for your considerate responses 💙 when someone is using Christianity poorly like this it's so easy to attack but you handled it in a way that was very inclusive 💙
I can't take people seriously who justify causing harm with their religious beliefs. It's 2018.
Valentin Lehner me neither. It makes me so frustrated.
Amen
@Afifa M Love this.
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I've been a Christian since I was about 5, which is also the age I started questioning the ethics of meat. Everyone would always say "God made animals so we could eat them" and it just made me feel so uncomfortable even then. It just didn't sound like a God thing to do.
Why do "ex-vegans" go back to eating meat instead of "just" being vegetarian? Never understood that
But great video and great response!
In my opinion, they just want to eat meat and come up with any excuse they can to eat it. Some of my relatives used the excuse that they started feeling sick without eating it. Even though they had been vegan for a year. And they all magically became sick from it at the same time. It's funny because before that, they would say how healthy it made them feel.
CKT92 could it just be that they weren’t eating a proper diet and were lacking in essential nutrients, maybe that’s why they started feeling better? Like I’m not trying to attack or anything
I think it's different for different people. Some people felt fine and are just using this as an excuse to re-include those foods. Others really did feel poorly, but it's because they weren't eating a balanced, healthy vegan diet. If you switch from a junk food meat-eater diet to a vegan one full of salads, smoothies, whole grains, etc. you might feel great despite it, say, being too low in iron, zinc, etc. on account of not eating many legumes. You might feel great for awhile because you were topped up in those nutrients from your previous diet. After awhile, though, your levels will drop off, and you might not feel so great. A lot of people at this point just assume it's because of veganism and give up, as opposed to looking into how to properly balance their diet while remaining vegan.
I went from vegan to being vegetarian again. I did this mainly because of my mental and physical health. I have a severe eating disorder, categorizing food nearly catapulted me back into anorexia. With vegetarian i can eat mor freely and dont feel so oppressed so eat "the right things". Also i developed severe b12 defficiency even tho i took the right amount of substitutes. I am now metally and physically more healthy. But still i think veganism is a good thing.
I was thinking the same thing.
The thumbnail is the best
* adjusts glasses * "Um, actually..."
EDIT: Regarding the actual video: Sarah's argumentation sadly suffers from serious whataboutism, generalisations and lack of understanding of the vegan philosophy. Great response.
I'm a Christian Vegan. I found her video obnoxious and uninformed. Thank you for your more well-reasoned response.
I'm a vegan Christian. I believe that God wouldn't be happy the way we treat our animals today, so I prefer not to contribute to that. If God gave us all the animals, I believe he ment us to take CARE of them, not the opposite...
Then, as a Christian, how do you deal with, lets say, Jesus causing fishing nets of his disciples to be full of the fresh fish, which are then by killed and eaten?
Wlof25, I don’t think that you can really make a comparison from today where plant foods are readily available and cheap because of modern farming practices and advancements to an era 2,000 years ago where you pretty much had to fish out of necessity. People in Jesus’ time certainly didn’t have the numerous options then that people take for granite now. Today, if you live in the United States, the UK or any other industrialized nation for that matter, going Vegan really has never been easier. And with all the health, environmental, and animal rights benefits that come with going Vegan, people should take it upon themselves.
@@AquamarineHahi
That does not answer on my question. Jesus could have created apples, or breads, but he made fresh fish to be caught which are killed and then eaten.
Take feeding of the 5000 with baskets full of bread and fish. Why Jesus created baskets of fish and not baskets of fruits and vegetables? Etc and etc,
That is why I ask Christian vegans how they deal with that, with central Christian figure being fine with killing animals for food, and some other things.
Wlof25, Jesus could’ve made apples as opposed to fish to be harvested. But an important thing to consider is he infinitely humbled himself by becoming fully man to begin with, correct? It would then stand to reason that he would’ve obtained food according to how a man in his era would have obtained it since he truly did become man and he didn’t see his own divine status to be used to his advantage. He could’ve regularly used his divine status to uphold himself above the community of his time and he very well could’ve used this to reap massive Vegan harvests with his power, but he instead chose to live as a humble person with no earthly possession because he conveying a different message. In other words, his expression of his humility is ultimately more important to the people of his day rather than just taking advantage of his powers to fit Veganism when convenient. As for the second part of the question, why he used a fish as opposed to any other food to replicate is really as much of a mystery as say something like the Trinity or the understanding of God’s essence. But if you were to twist my arm and tell me to venture a guess I would say fish would more than anything else around them during that time and in that region, would be more satiating than other foods. And really, if you were to replicate a fish that is already dead, that would mean that you wouldn’t actually have to kill any other fish besides just that one.
@@AquamarineHahi
Filling empty baskets with fish, from nothing, is obtaining food according to how a man in his era would have obtained it?
He walked on water, healed sick, etc and etc....The whole point is to uphold himself above the community of his time.
Hardly. He could have created whole menu of things, all sorts of fruits and vegetables.
Secondly. If Jesus was secretly vegan and wanted us to be vegan, all of us, then why then promote eating fish, even if dead? It makes no sense.
I am curious. If you are a Christian, do you think that Jesus, God incarnate, was/is a vegan? And wanted then, and wants now, for all of us to be vegan? Do you think that Christians are obliged to be vegans?
I love that you did your research on the Bible. I know you're an atheist but you recognize that within religions we must use our reason to interpret texts and teachings and that it matters how we do that. Thanks from a Catholic theologian and aspiring reducetarian!
I've watched your videos for a while and this one in particular really points out how understanding and reasonable you are. Probably one of the (if not the) most compassionate vegans on youtube. You do an amazing job of bringing light to the flaws in a person's reasoning without out coming across high and mighty or like they are bad people. And even though I am not Christian I am incredibly impressed with how you handled the religious aspects of her video without demonizing Christianity or undermining her faith. Which I think is the easier way to respond as an atheist. It's more impactful and likely to create change to come from a place of gentleness and reason. I really hope she sees this video.
I second this comment :) And I think you've been getting better and better at "slaying" different topics *nicely*.
Totally agree. I may share this with some friends/family members, which isn't something I can do with a lot of other vegan youtube videos because they're often unreasonably rude to those with opposing views. Not sure how you're supposed to get people on your side if you can't have a civil conversation.
Thank you for your measured response. I’m a Christian vegan as well, and the Bible does not say veganism is against Bible standards. It’s true that after the Flood God allowed mankind to consume meat, but He clearly did not agree with the industrialisation and overall inhumane treatment of animals we see today. He doesn’t agree with hunting for sport or mass killing.
Like you said, there is NOTHING in the Bible that says you shouldn’t be vegan, and if anything, the Bible makes it very clear how sacred God considers all life, including that of animals.
I am also a Christian, and I agree with your argument in this video. I also really, really appreciate your well-researched and extremely respectful approach to the whole Christian argument. A lot of people don’t have this perspective, so I really appreciated how you handled it!
Imagine not being able to understand supply & demand
I stopped watching Sarah when she made a video on why she was circumcising her son. Spoiler alert: there is NO reason to circumcise an infant any more than there is a reason to cut off their ear.
An example of oversharenting. Telling everyone you will be circumcising your son
LOL
I stopped watching after she made her ‘why I stoped tanning video’ and ‘thing every wife should do’ video (the aren’t the exact names tho I forgot) She is hella annoying💀💀💀
I find it funny she seems to care so much for humans and the harm done onto them and then she continues to permanently scar her son by surcomcizing him.
I wish she hadn’t deleted that one! She is a fool! Just shows how cruel she is to him
I can not believe she brought up abortion..
Why would u be that dum sarah has a huge point and GOD is definitely backing thst statement up. Why would fanatic vegans go worry about animals more than a human baby ? Thats dum to love n care more about animals than human
She's a religious nut.
@The Truth abortion is not about killing babies, but destroying a non-sentient ball of cells.
@@Dynamaik0220 Can you prove that it's not sentient? What about late term abortion? I'm in favor of abortion by the way.
@The Truth because killing an animal who has consciousness feels pain, fears and suffers. An unborn child is "killed" in a way where it doesn't feel anything. It never was conscious yet. Human babies aren't really conscious even after birth. Or can you remember purposefully screaming when you where 2 months old because you where hungry? No, you didn't have a clue about anything going on yet. Animals do understand and feel and fear. Also late abortions always have a reason. For example the health of the mother. The mother will for instant die at birth. You, on the other hand, will not die without eating meat. It's all about preventing pain and suffering and in this case killing an animal causes exactly that while stopping the development of an unborn child doesn't.
Isn't this the girl who giggled about dropping her fish down garbage disposal? Pretty sure she is also an anti-vaxxer
Isn’t this the girl who had a video about veganism up which was "totally misunderstood" and put up another video about veganism to clear things up but said stuff like "i just don’t care about animals" again and again and was wondering why people disliked the video massively? pretty sure it was her, looking at her channel.
Also the one who made the video on why women should serve their husbands :( she's batshit crazy...
Citation please?
@@bloom4795 That one was gold. I can't believe how brainwashed she is.
@@bloom4795 this that one still online? I'd like to see it
I hate when they flip the "you don't care about the humans suffering"card. Lady, you boosting about it does a hell of an lot less for them then me a being a vegan for 1 day. Also it's just some crazy competition for them. I do this cause I care. You can have the shining armor, I really don't care.
coldstrawberryblood Most of the farming fields available for agriculture are used to produce meat/feed cattle. So if you truly cared about humans, and how climate is likely to affect vulnerable populations all around the globe, you'd at least go vegetarian. That argument makes no sense to me either...
So actually I am a little conflicted with your response about fast fashion. Since you care so much about the environment, I would urge you to watch "true cost" on Netflix. On one hand, you are right about the the sweatshop workers. On another hand., fast fashion is also a major polluter of Earth. I guess it's not black and white issue since these workers are in a bad situation as you mentioned. But I am transitioning into veganism because of environmental reasons, that means not supporting fast fashion as well to me or if I ever purchase anything from there, wear it out until it's almost unwearable or give it to someone who will wear it so I can offset the environmental impact.
my thoughts exactly. i personally don't feel comfortable switching back to buying from fast fashion chains even tho it would benefit the sweatshop workers..
Thanks for agreeing. I guess I just wanted to educate and I hope she watched this documentary. Buying something from fast fashion may not be inherently wrong. Obviously person who buys a new piece of clothing every week and IS vegan is still a lot better for the environment than someone who is not. I guess she was trying to tell that. But if you are wanting to good for the environment, you should be sort of minimalist in terms of how many things you have.
I don't agree with her on this either. American sweatshops are not a productive way to boost the local economy
I agree, but I believe being vegan is more important than being zero waste. I also think that buying any clothing, fast fashion or otherwise is negative. There is so much used clothing out there that is almost free and very high quality.
@@ig7002 Yeah, the best option is to buy second hand. Which is my intention from now on, since it the cheapest environmental option.
Ahhh your research is merciless
The second she starts talking about the bible I’m checked out.
Then why click on this video lmao
Jacklyn Young um... good one?
Emily Griese that wasnt a “gotcha” but okayyyyy😁
Jacklyn Young your question doesn’t make any sense. Do you read what you write before you post?
I feel like all the Christian vegans were holding our collective breath when we saw this title. I love this channel and was so ready for UV to come down hard on Christianity but this was awesome and it's some of the same theological reasoning I use when talking to other Christians about veganism! I would have gone for a more historical/cultural argument for Christian vegan/vegetarianism (such as vegetarian religious orders, monasteries, etc) and I also heavily lean on the story of Daniel but UV made a great theological argument and now this is honestly one of my favorite youtube videos of all time! Science! Religion! Vegans! Woo!
How do you deal that central figure of Christianity (Jesus Christ) was not a vegan, nor he talked about veganism. In the matter of fact, he ate fish, probably the lamb during the Passover, caused fishing nets to be full of fish, which are going to be killed and eaten, among other things?
Wlof25 Well it's possible that Jesus was a vegetarian (it doesn't seem likely, but it's possible - I won't go into all of the details but the kind of jewish subset that Jesus came from may not have eaten lamb at passover to avoid meat that may have been sacrificed to pagan idols, also I'm sure you've seen the "Jesus Fish" - there was an acronym around that associated Jesus with fish, so it's possible that at times in the Bible that describes when he fed people fish may have been figurative language for giving himself to them (not all of us interpret the Bible literally.)) Also, Jesus probably also didn't recycle, or drive a low-emissions vehicle either, what I mean by that is humans didn't know what B12 was at the time, so it would have been unhealthy and irresponsible of him to promote a vegan diet unless he also started explaining micronutrients, supplements, etc which weren't a thing then
Wlof25 Thank you for asking though, it is something I think a lot about, but as I mentioned, I think there's a lot of evidence supporting veganism in the Bible. Also, I think there are good people who eat meat or milk or eggs for many reasons and I wouldn't want them to feel like they have to be distanced from God because of it so I've come to terms with it.
@@emilyroberts108
Lamb was one of the Passover meals. The Jewish tradition was the mass lamb slaughter so lamb can be eaten during the Passover (Luke 22, and Luke 2:41-42, for example), you also have Jesus eating fish and honey.
Jesus fish is something else. Gospels are mentioning fish, as living thing, which is eaten.
And one thing is a figurative language when Jesus says I will make you fishers of men, and something completely different is narration, retelling.
I mean....Did Jesus fed 5000 people, ate fish, and made fish to be caught into fishing nets, with some figurative language? That is too much of a stretch.
The point I want to make is pretty clear. Veganism is not the focus of the Christianity, it never were. Some sort of veganism (not this modern. atheistic mess of veganism) works with Christianity, but also non veganism works with Christianity.
That is why when I, as a Christian, when talk with Christian vegans, I tend to appeal to the Christian key figure and who's teachings we follow. I was reading comments and many vegan Christians just appeal to some Old Testament random verses to say how Christians should be vegan, or something like that, but that is two edged blade, because you can find there also random verses which completely go hand in hand with non veganism.
@@Wlof25 it can be argued that before the fall, Adam and Eve ate a vegan diet, supplied by the garden. After the fall, when sin entered the world, death entered the world, which means that to survive, our lives became laced with death as a constant reminder of our disobedience. Animal sacrifice for food or sin offering became a way of life that reflected our fallen, bloody state. Death was inevitable. To live, people spilled blood again and again.
Jesus lived as Jews of his time lived. They lived as their ancestors lived. Jesus fed the people what the people of his time ate. He used metaphors and analogies that they, the common people, would understand. Fishing was a primary industry. People understood it. He used it to relate to the people. He also used agricultural terms to illustrate his teachings.
Passover was celebrated as a part of the Old Covenant. The slaughter of lambs was representative of the slaughter of Egyptian children and the symbol of the sparing of Israelite children. Jewish tradition is steeped in symbolism. Regardless, that covenant has passed as Jesus is the New Covenant. We are no longer bound by Torah.
Is there a biblical basis for saying all Christians should be vegan? No. There is no explicit commandment. Nor is there any specific commandment to have beef for dinner or eat lamb kebabs.
However, one could make an argument that since God made animals, declared them good and was pleased with them, that they as his creation (like the planet) have some special meaning to him. One could choose to extrapolate then that his greatest commandment could apply to not only how we treat animals, but also the planet. Matt 2:36-40
Curiosity though: are you vegan?
Okay, I find her reasoning annoying. She is just listing everything wrong in the world as an excuse to eat meat. She can do everything she mentions and still be vegan. There is nothing and no one stopping her, except herself.
The problem with your comment about sweatshops in Bangladesh is two-fold: 1) continuing to purchase from companies that use sweatshops sends those companies the message that consumers do not care about who makes their clothes and that it's fine to carry on with business as usual; and 2) continuing to purchase from these companies contributes to incredible environmental damage in developing parts of the world.
Why do you think any companies have shaped up by monitoring their supply chains and/or creating more sustainable garments, etc? It's because of bad press (from Rana Plaza, for example) and the potential for boycotts that companies ditch the sweatshops and create recycled-water-bottle shoes. It's because some consumers have moved away from H&M and toward Everlane. It's because sustainable and ethical fashion has been proven to make money.
People seriously need to consider their clothing purchases also because they have an outsize impact on the environment (much like diet, though not to the same extent). America has a serious problem with over-consumption. We buy more clothes than we need, wear few of them, and throw the rest away, where they eventually end up in the landfill (whether you donate them or not). Combine that with the fact that many of our clothes are now made with plastic (polyester, spandex, elastane), which doesn't always biodegrade, or are just terrible quality, which means that we have to keep producing and purchasing new clothes, and the fashion industry does serious damage to the planet.
In short, I would encourage you to do more research and not suggest to your followers that people continue buying from sweatshops. I also really hope people do a bit more research and consider buying clothes made from natural fabrics (which biodegrade) and also fewer clothes. Though we can't control the trade policies and regulations of the world's governments, that doesn't mean our individual actions don't matter. Collectively, they send a message to companies and politicians that we care about human rights abuses and the environment.
I'm really disappointed in your comment: it seemed like a very ill-informed and ill-thought-through part of your overall argument--not something I expect from this channel.
Kelly I was hoping to find a comment addressing the sweatshops. I was really surprised to hear UV essentially state that buying sweatshop-produced clothes isn't so bad. That's just nuts.
So weird that she tried to make “not following emotions” sound like a Christian thing. From a Christian standpoint, God GAVE you those emotions (empathy) so that you could know how to do good (have a conscience). Why would you want to ignore that? Not only would you feel bad about yourself, you’d also be totally directionless and have no sense of right and wrong.
I keep coming out of watching these videos with a massive craving for beans...
Beans are great
This may be the best video of yours I've seen, and I've seen a lot of 'em. Super thorough, informative, and respectful. Well done, Swayze.
Yeah it was good
As I was watching her video a few days ago, I was hearing your commentary in my head the whole time....
Who said if u vegan , you can not adopt animals... Wtf... Who making rules... Mad
GYPSY CAT Seriously!!! I was like WTF!!!
There are crazies who say it's slavery if you own a pet. I've even heard accounts from people with a seeing eye dog/assistance dog who were harrassed by animal activists. (Anonymous for the voiceless, a pretty large group, even posted about it and defended it in the comments)
Then there are those who say having a cat isn't vegan because they need meat. But I'd say >95% of vegans are not that extreme.
PETA is anti-pet. Not every vegan is anti-pet.
I don't think that animals and humans are on the same level but veganism is about recognizing that animals are sentient beings that can feel pain and don't deserve to suffer for our 5 minutes of pleasure. also how can people think that they are better or worth more than animals and nature? how could we humans exist on this planet if it wasn't for the biosystem, all these plants and animals living and working together in symbiosis? if nature and animals die, we die too
Vegans value sentience not life. No learned vegan believes that if forced to choose, a human animal life is equal (morally) to a human animal's life. However, when it for pleasure and convenience, then the nonhuman animals interests of not being killed unnecessarily, outweigh those of a human animals desire for the taste of their flesh.
If she wanted to distance herself from the vegan community she could've just called herself vegetarian or just not talk about her lifestyle unelss asked. It seems like she never wanted to be vegan in the first place...
Yeah, she also uses "VEGAN what i eat in a day" as a video title.. like..? She doesn't want to be associated with the community but VEGAN is still good enough of a buzzword to use as clickbait
I hate the argument I see that vegans only care about animals and don’t care about human rights or other issues when I find it is actually rare for the vegans I know to not be extremely aware of the impact their choices have on...pretty much everything
I know, it's not like we can't care about multiple things. Being a vegan is one thing I do, not everything.
It also kinda seems like she really only based that argument on a couple instances of her vegan friends buying clothes that were produced in sweatshops or doing things like that that might be questionable. Vegans are not like a hive mind, it’s not a religion or cult everyone implements it differently and for different reasons. Those reasons are parts of your belief system not veganism in and of it self.
i watched a couple of her videos about minimalism a while ago and then she uploaded a video talking about her pro-life stance and called people who are pro-choice "pro-abortion"... decided that was enough to stop watching
Pulling "facts" from the bible is an act of desperation when you have nothing else meaningful to say
*sees video*
*clicks immediately*
*smashes like button*
*watches video*
I love supporting my fav youtubers i've been watching grow for years!
not bowing at her feet or agreeing with every single thing she says, duh..but am i happy when she posts a new vid? you betcha.
Nasa just found my wig on the moon, such a good structured response.
You are on fire with your latest updates! I really enjoyed the video, especially the fact that you are able to meet people where they are, and argue about Christian ethics without being a Christian. Most responses to people who justify eating meat with religion by atheist vegans is “your religion is fake!” Which is not helpful and doesn’t contribute to a productive debate.
You knocked it out of the park on this one, Swayze.
Why I am not Vegan: my cats. I love them, I want them to be happy and healthy and they need meat for that. My male cat also have liver problems and needs a special diet... I wont toy with the health of my animals. I also want to have cats in the future... this is the main problem I see for myself.
Also honey. My grandpa is a beekeeper and I grew up with bees. He is a small beekeeper and I simply don't see a problem with honey (when it comes from small beekeepers). Like... they produce so much?
I am not vegan... I eat mostly vegan and vegetarian at home and try to use as little animal products as possible. But I don't see a point to go completely vegan. I love my pets and I can't see myself having a vegan lifestyle. Sometimes I think I shouldn't even try because I will never be a full vegan and I will make people more angry with trying, do you know what I mean?
Like... vegans will be angry because I am not a vegan and my family will be annoyed because of my eating habbits.
Please don't be to harsh in the comments. I am really afraid to post this because of the angry vegan stereotype... but I would still love to hear some constructive help!
The fact that you eat mainly vegan at home already makes such a big difference for your health, the animals, and the environment!
One thing I'd like to point out is that you can still be vegan and have non-vegan pets. I myself have fish, dogs, and crabs that eat omnivorous and Swayze's cats aren't vegan. Veganism isn't about cutting out every single non-vegan thing in life, because it simply isn't possible in our current world with medications, mislabeling on food, and simple mistakes when purchasing food or cosmetics. In my first 6 months of being vegan I've already accidentally eaten or bought something non-vegan more times than I can count. We all make mistakes but as vegans we accept it and work towards not doing it again.
I hope that made sense :)
you can still have pets and be vegan
also as long as your reducing harm by eating vegan/ vegetarian at home, don't stop! that's amazing! you're really helping and making a difference, thank you
If all people would live by your standarts, we would have a much better world! Your contribution is awesome!
Take the best care for your pets that you can, but please try to not get more pets you can't sustain on a vegan diet, it's completely unnesesary and supports lots of suffering.
I wish you had responded to her first video.it was truly disturbing.
She's also an Evangelical Christian and anti vac
So many great youtubers missed that opportunity, sadly. It was horrendous, downright cruel. Fish into disposer and laughed, never loved her own pets...
ava maria I’m an Evangelical Christian. I did not see her original video, but from the responses and UV’s commentary, I cannot fathom that she (the anti-Vegan) truly understands the messages of Jesus Christ.
It’s pretty hypocritical of her to be raving about not supporting sweatshops and how we should care for people also while being anti vax because that actually causes a lot of needless harm and death, not only to her and her children, but also (if enough people follow in that philosophy) society as a whole.
Hello, I'd really love to see you talk about the fast fashion/ sweat shop topic. My knee-jerk reaction, having taught in a poor industrial region in Cambodia is to reject the industry but I'm well-aware that the issue is a lot more complicated and a large part of me still hopes that this initial, quite brutal industrialization will lead to more wealth and benefits for the population. It'd be quite different from your usual topics but could fit as it is connected to sustainability and environment preservation and seems to need some demystification.
This video was SOO well done. You made a bloody good argument & covered all the bases extremely well 👏✊
Animal sacrifice is no longer practiced by the Jewish people. There is no beit hamigdash and therefore no animal sacrifice
I literally just uploaded a video about acceptance and judgement in the vegan community. We're all vegan and we're all on the same team! It's OKAY to do vegan your own way.
i love leather but i would never buy it firsthand
which means that if someone i know is going to throw away anything in leather i’ll take it
and if i buy it myself it’s always secondhand
I haven't watched the video yet so I don't know how applicable my comment will be, but here's my take on the whole theological side of veganism (in relation to Genesis):
I'm not Christian but I am a prospective convert to Judaism. Both of us follow the first five chapters of the Bible, called the Torah within Judaism.
In Genesis 1:11-13 it says that G-d created seed bearing plants (fruits) and filled the land with vegetation, seeing this as good.
In Genesis 1:20-26 G-d talks about the the birds and water animals which should be fruitful upon the earth. They then talk about land animals and how they should produce upon the Earth, however the names of the animals vary.
In the NIV Christian version of Genesis the animals are referred to as wild animals and livestock.
In the Torah version, which is in Hebrew, it refers to them as beasts and cattle.
It also talks about humans ruling over the animals in both translations BUT says in the Torah and NIV Bible in Genesis 1:29 that G-d has given you every seed bearing fruit and vegetation, and it shall be the *humans'* to eat.
My take from this is that with time and translation the narrative changed to fit the lifestyles of those reading the texts, Christians in this case. Hebrew is the original text of Genesis, making it the most reliable if someone is going to base their beliefs off of it.
Not sure if this made any sense but my point is: Look at the original text of Genesis and it supports veganism.
bloomire I’m too lazy to go out in the car and get my Bible so I’m going from memory. I’m pretty sure that the King James Version I have says that God has given the fruit trees and grasses to Adam and Eve to eat “as” their meat. Animals are only killed after they fuck up and sin by eating the forbidden fruit. To me, that points to a vegan Eden.
@@ambermyers9174 I forgot to include the effects of sin, which probably would have helped my point a bit. I agree though, if we are striving to create and live in a g-dly world veganism has every right to be included 😁
"I base everything off the Bible."
That's when I knew it was time to go.
Tbh as a kid I used to try ad save worms from cooking themselves on pavements by picking them up and putting them onto an area with soil so they can make their little homes ;)
You should do a TED talk on these topics....I came across your channel not long ago and now your my go-to -on the bus watch....the way you speak an debate these things are just so inspiring.. so researched and in such a calm unbiased manner... incredible
Very interesting what you said about buying fast fashion... I never thought about it that way. It’s been a while since I don’t shop this brands, as I believe that change is choosing who you give your money to. Instead I rather spend on more quality sustainable clothing (therefore consuming less as they are more expensive) or shop second hand. I thought doing this can help changing the industry. What can really be done then to change the bad condition that people suffer in this factories? Still supporting these brands that created this business structure seems counterproductive. (Absolutely love your videos by the way)
you probably won’t see this but, i love how unbiased you are. from watching i have no idea whether your catholic, atheist, or a total different religion. good job!
You are so intelligent. I wish I could be as convincing as you are to shut people down. Your research is on point.
I just recently discovered your channel and I love your videos. You have such a calm way of explaining things without ever insulting someone and are always very well informed
Non vegan Christian here, who recently found this channel...I HAVE to say that I simply adored this video 🧡💛🧡💛 and want to thank you, UV, for making this!👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
The absolutely refreshing, non-mocking, well-researched position from which UV presented her arguments was such an unexpected surprise, and genuinely came as a relief to me.
Again, having recently discovered UV, and thoroughly enjoying over the past few weeks watching through her backlog of older videos, I have found such enjoyment in listening to UV’s manner of expressing information about veganism (a topic I have had many questions about, and a desire to more thoroughly understand, for some time), nutrition , weight loss, parenting, and all manner of things she has covered over the years. I have been so fully enjoying her intelligence and perspectives on nearly everything she has made videos about thus far.
I watch/listen to a LOT of You Tube throughout my daily activities, while driving and running errands, etc...& I find it difficult to continue watching and learning from those who routinely openly mock my choice to follow Jesus Christ, the Abrahamic Bible and the teachings therein. Even if it isn’t done routinely, so many You Tubers and people not on YT will condescend to those who are followers of Christ, and it grieves my heart so much. Christianity seemingly is the one remaining thing (aside from veganism, apparently, 😂😤) people still feel “safe” to freely criticize about others, applying none of the sensitivity that is expected today towards other belief systems and ways of life. People are called out immediately for being the bigots which they very certainly ARE if they are disrespectful towards anyone who is part of the LGBTQ+ community, for example. However, Christians are held in the seemingly lowest esteem by those with other belief structures (atheists, agnostics, other religions) and are mocked and disrespected seemingly for sport IMO, in social media, regular media (like mainstream TV, movies and music), and on YT, outside of Christian channels. By the way, I do recognize that there is not a direct parallel between Christianity (seen as simply a belief structure to most) and being LGBTQ+ (considered by some to be a “way of life” or sexual orientation one makes a decision to adopt, SLIGHTLY similar to one consciously choosing to follow a specific theological belief structure as fact-and by others as plainly “living life out while loving those persons whom I was born attracted to. Period.”)...those very significant differences aside, I chose the parallel these two things as belief structures held which reflect in a way of life that is unflinching, hopefully that makes sense? Im in NO manner trying to minimize or pigeon-hole any persons. That said....
I honesty pray that UV will see this though since I doubt she will considering how old this video is, therefore I’m addressing my points more so to UV’s usual viewers. I apologize referring to her/you as “UV” but I don’t think she uses her actual name purposely-is that accurate? What she has done here in this video is incredibly rare to find on You Tube, (to the point of being an actual 🦄 )!!
I, too, feel Sarah is absolutely atrocious at making any reasonable points in her video. She doesn’t seem to understand well that which she is trying to express, as she cannot verbalize her perspectives in an intelligent, fleshed-out manner which includes much supporting evidence or many persuasive arguments. I felt that she was making the most simplistic, “basic” excuses for most of what she said. I say this with full awareness that I am often atrocious at making some of my points when defending my firmly held beliefs and opinions. This is a thing I am constantly trying to improve upon. However, I am also (thankfully) NOT putting out videos on said OPINIONS/beliefs as she is.🤷🏻♀️
I just cannot state emphatically enough how much I appreciate the manner in which UV expresses herself and compiles her arguments. She missed her calling, in my opinion, to be an attorney! She would be difficult to beat!!
Thank you, UV. You have attracted a PERMANENT subscriber!!!👏🏻😍👏🏻😍👏🏻😍
Thank you for your straight forward scriptural presentation of arguments against Sarah’s “Biblical reasons to eat meat.” I appreciate your including them, knowing that you are atheists but that you acknowledge your viewers varied religions, experiences, etc.
This is something that I am always falling back on: the heavy Biblical argument for vegan/vegetarianism in the book of Genesis. I present my arguments assuming that the recipient believes in God (an argument for my Christian friends, you might say)
- First, I remind people that when God gave the animals to humans, He did not give them to us to abuse or exploit. Instead they were given as companions to Adam, and he was charged with the responsibility of taking care of them.
- I remind people that Adam and Eve were vegan in the garden of Eden (where God intended for them to live their entire lives.) He told them “you MAY eat from” any tree in the garden except for the one of Knowledge of Good and Evil. They were not told to eat animals there.
It was only after the fall (the sin of man) that man had to eat meat because of his expulsion from the garden and the new difficulties of growing food and working the land.
- And finally, a reminder that many Biblical practices were redeemed by Christ’s death. Including animal sacrifice.
The significance of sacrifice, ultimately paid by Christ, was felt by generations preceding His death, making the necessity of His death, God’s only son, that much more poignant. We recognize the significance of sacrifice because God’s sacrifice is so much more than anything we have ever had to sacrifice.
Again, thank you UV for your kindly response to this section of Sarah’s video.
Would love to see your opinion on Ashwagandha!
This is my favorite talk of yours so far. I realize this was several years ago, but I am thankful that I found it! Very nice!
I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the level of respect you presented in talking about faith. I think its a tough subject, specifically if you don't believe it and often its dismissed flippantly. You took a deep dive into the subject and were never dismissive of scriptures, knowing that this was an important facet of her life. I'm a Christian and a meat eater and I've often struggled with how I am supposed to eat from a biblical perspective. This video has opened my eyes and given me a freedom to investigate this with a different lens. I watch your channel all the time and always really love your insight. Thank you for always being a reliable source of solid info!
I understand being vegan but not openly calling yourself that . Because of the overall back lash, stereotypes etc. But saying you dont want to be vegan due to social media is stupid . That is what i believe , you're life does not revolve around social media . There is a whole world outside , the real everyday life. I personally think it is silly to make that a reason to give up. If you choose to try being vegan in the first place there might be reasons to back up that decision? own up to the real reason . I mean we all have a choice to what we want to share and what not. Having a account might that be Instagram, fb, twitter etc does not mean you over share. I don't careif people give up that is also a personal choice and right . Giving up is not like murdering someone . I dont understand why people think if there going vegan there joining a cult and giving up means something wrong, vile or doing something compared to murder. Veganism is a choice, lifestyle not something sacred. Why do people fear it?
I couldn't agree more. People act as if there should be no line between their social media life and their normal life. That seems crazy to me. But I see so many people increasingly doing this and using it as an excuse to do so many questionable things.🙄
@@leatherxrose7743 Exactly i see people moaning about why other people are in their business . Yet there the ones that are over sharing. There is a line between social media and real life.Take me for example i'm Indian i believe in god on social media or real life i've been attacked or got racist comments . That doesn't mean i'm just going to drop my belief and relationship with god because of social media or someone else opinion . At the end of the day real life or social media other people don't know the in and out of your own life . So who are they to change your decision? i'd rather have people to be brave and have the guts to admit why their really doing it . Or they dont even have to mention it . Why make a fuss and share if other people opinions matter to you and you feel attacked . I don't see the point unless its for the views. I follow some youtubers who respectively just own up to it and say look it was'nt for me and i want to keep it private. Or that they are still vegan or plant base but they dont want to label it.
When you came at her with the bible cites I was like lmao
You addressed so much in this video and i thank you so much! I actually didn't even realize how long it was until i finished it. These arguments against veganism aren't the usual, where do you get your protein from etc and you were so clear and concise addressing the responses to them. I'm going to watch it again with my bf just to make sure i got it all. Lol it's really hard hard for me to talk to people about veganism when i feel like they often hide behind the religion to continue the cruelty. Thanks again!
Just came across your videos, I love them !!! I love how much research and evidence you put into them. I also love that you explain both sides of most things and never hate on anyone for their personal choices. You just try an enlighten people and give them better information so they can make educated decisions. There are some things I strongly disagree with like people non vaccinating there children but I know that, that is my personal belief and opinion and me shoving it down someone else's throat won't achieve anything. The best we can do is give people all the information and let them make there decision because at the end of the day we all will anyway. Sometimes hate even makes people go in the complete opposite directions which is even more unproductive. I have begun binge watching ! Thank you for sharing your sophistication and intelligence with a world that certainly needs some rationalism.
can do you do a video on why you chose clothing made from artificial fiber instead of natural materials? I’m really interested in whether the carbon footprint is less for the artificial stuff. If artificial fiber pollute less than for example wool which doesn’t hurt the sheep is it then okay to wear wool?
I guess sheep produce methane, which turns into carbondioxide, but cotton has a very large carbon foot print too. So large, that you should use a cotton t-shirt to pieces and then re-use the pieces for something that you use to pieces again, before it becomes sustainable. From the ethical point of view, I guess some vegans would say you can never treat an animal that you take advantage of right.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with wearing wool in the Finnish winter and wearing my mom's 30-year-old leather jacket and my 7-year-old leather sneakers. If you are frugal, you can use pretty much anything and be economical. I think the point would be to not buy in general, unless you really need it. Then think about materials that are reusable and recyclable. Mixed fibers are difficult to recycle, so 100% of anything is better than something that has 4 different fibers in it. A homogenious material is also more likely to keep its shape and qualities over time, because different materials age differently. Second-hand, reused and recycled materials are economical too.
Knowing Unnatural Vegan, she probably has a video on this too, though. If not, she should!
Wool can hurt sheep. Sheering them doesn't have to be harmful, but add in large scale production and it's a lot like dairy. There's often issues with welfare on farms, and when their wool production declines they'll be off to the slaughterhouse.
Thank you for this video. I feel like this addresses 99% of the more complex non-vegan arguments
Just an amazing video explanation. Thank you so much for taking the time to post great content! Subscribed
I absolutely love how you do good research and use logical reasoning on everything. Clear information, clear research, neutral opinion. Thank you for all this!
You’re so pretty. Idk if you get that a lot, but it’s true. You’re also very smart, but I think that goes without saying
Finally first. Gonna make some tea and watch this.
Wow! I am subscribed to Sarah, (only for a few more minutes) and I enjoy her videos because I find them aesthetically pleasing and I like watching people organize. I often watch her videos before bed and she’ll say something that sounds like a clickbait headline and my husband will roll over and say “did she really just spout that nonsense?”
I hadn’t seen her video that you discuss here, and I’m not impressed with her lack of reasoning or her attacking of others.
I was watching her “what I eat in a day” video that was sponsored by the mushroom drink brand, which sounded like a gimmick to me. In the comments, I saw someone recommend your video on the brand, which is how I got to this video! You present facts and sources, and you reason! I am not a vegan, but my husband and I are discussing reducing our intake of animal products and I’m looking forward to watching your videos! Thanks!
The intellectual rigour you apply to any topic you cover is what makes you, in my opinion, SO essential as a public figure. UA-cam needs you. All of social media needs you. And we are all SO lucky that you choose to do what you do.
I've made an entire video about why Christians should go vegan! I respond to the common anti-vegan Bible verses that people misinterpret and touch on Eden, how killing animals will be banned in the future, how all animals will be vegan, and even the fact that animals have souls and that heaven is vegan. All backed by Bible verses.
I say this all the time, but I loveeee seeing a different type of vegan that is not all, low protein, raw, allllll not processed food, completely closed minded to diets that aren’t just like theirs. I’ve been vegetarian then vegan for almost three years and I just loooove your channel.
You were respectful of Sarah, but also countered her arguments so well. I ❤️ your channel!
Sarah’s video gave me so much anxiety because her following is quite large and I am so relieved and grateful for your video here ❤️❤️ I actually learned so much so thank you!
I love the highlighting of the the real issue with corporations. It's not a secret conspiracy their job is to get money and they only answer to 2 parties their stockholders and the government (which can be corrupt, misguided, and bias too).
Just found your channel and love your "philosophy" already. You are a lot like me. Glad I found you 😊
Always have great content based on thorough research. Very much appreciate your educated views and videos ❤️👏🏼
You are a great speaker, I love to listen to you even without any pictures, great job!
please share your skincare routine! Or do you think it's the vegan diet?
I love your channel! I'm a Christian vegan. Thanks for your reasoning and logical arguments (from a Biblically true perspective!!)
As a fellow Christian, who is not a vegan, I am curious do you think that Christians should be vegan, and why.
I think that Christianity is not compatible with veganism, so I would like to share my views if you are willing to have that discussion.
Thank you for this video! Did you get any response from Sarah?
Greetings from Berlin,
Claudia
As a Christian I really appreciate this video. THANK YOU!!!
I'm more concerned when people turn veganism into a religion. Many atheists become "religious" for causes and ideologies. It's almost as if the human mind is wired to want to follow a dogma and want to be bound to certain standards. I sometimes think roaming ideologies like fashion trends, politics, etc. can make people very fanatical. In many atheist communist countries, people would worship the state and the communist leader.
Veganism is always going to be interpreted in multiple ways, but when vegans take it to a fervor that matches religion, these people really do enact all of the major criticisms usually launched against religions, with closed-minded views, etc.
In some ways, I sometimes wonder if we are meant to have a religion (any religion) or at least a set of stories and myths as a cultural buffer, to prevent humans from getting distracted by every fad that comes by. You need something to bounce ideas off of, in a healthy way. It's an interesting topic, and I liked hearing Swayze Unnatural Vegan's take on this. Maybe Swayze should be more philosophical more often!
Thank you for this video, not necessarily for the response to her, but for the information that you provided that taught ME a lot...from the part about grass fed beef to the stuff in the Bible that’s actually supportive of vegetarianism/ veganism.
As a black, Christian, vegetarian I feel like I need to clarify something; the Bible does not condone slavery as we know it in America. Actually, the word 'slave' was mistranslated. What it really should say is 'servant' or 'worker' as the servants had choices whether to stay or go. There's quite a few scriptures instructing people to treat their workers well because we're all God's servants. This is nothing like the deplorable things that white americans tried to say was ok to doing to black people.
You are so articulate and I appreciate all the references. I was wondering if there are any plant-based products that you don't consume because of the harmful effects they have on the environment or humans? For instance avocado's that require so much water causing droughts or cashews where people have to dig through acidic fruits often without gloves. I hope you do a video about that, would love to know your opinions.
I was vegan for a year and quit recently because I just really wanted to have some foods I wasn’t able to have as a vegan
Im not American, I’m not British, I’m not french, I’m not Canadian, I live in a small country that hasn’t got many vegan options
I can’t drive for 15 minutes to eat a vegan donut, I’m not aware of those existing where I live, no vegan pastries, only some coconut cookies
I can’t cook due to my living situation
Being vegetarian for now is just the option to go for
As a vegan I felt like eating meat which is just weird to me because it didn’t happen as a vegetarian, I didn’t want to become a meat eater so I became a vegetarian again
Will try veganism in the future when I get my own place in a few months though
Nope Nope it took me a long time to be fully vegan, also due to my living situation. Reduction in animal products helps too. My goal for 2018 was to become vegan and I’ve finally been able to make it happen. :)
...whats your living situation that you cant cook vegetables & lentils, but buying fancy coconut vegan donuts would be an option if you had them nearby?
Is all your food take away? What do you mean you cant cook? Is the only place you eat a stake house? Lol i dont get it...
eliana aran
Eating a bland vegan diet is the fastest way to being an ex-vegan. It is unreasonable to expect some to eat nothing the lentils and rice. Sorry, but that is nonsensical. If it were that easy, obesity wouldn't be at epidemic levels.
@@wschippr1 ....literally no one mentioned rice or said that lentils were the only food a vegan can eat? Go away with your bullshit strawman lol
If you think eating vegan take away from exclusivly vegan restaurants is the only way to have a normal vegan diet that isnt "boring" then youre a privliged weirdo who needs to get out of their bubble
OP said they cant cook at home so they cant be vegan, all i did was ask what their lifestyle is that they cannot cook at home and rely exclusivly on takeaway. The money they would spend on takeaway daily for breakfast lunch and dinner they could easily spend on vegan food from a supermarket lol or just go to any restaurant and dont get meat....
Veganism isnt just lentils and rice but its also not just vegan alternatives to unhealthy processed foods from LA vegan restaurants....
eliana aran
No, they pretty clearly indicated that they weren't satisfied with the vegan options in their area. That everything that was enticing wasn't vegan and your response was, "what, you can't eat lentils and vegetables?"... (also, your first part of your post is actually a strawman, I never said what you said I said lol)
How is saying that eating a bland vegan diet is the fastest way of being an ex-vegan a strawman, if anything what you are doing now is a strawman of the origin post. They very clearly indicated that the vegan options in their area was not appealing and now you are saying that it's because they can't cook at home, which was only one part of their comment (and the reason they can't make appealing vegan meals on their own). You then suggested that lentils and vegetables to cook for themselves, which covers their cravings for sweets (as they clearly indicated) apparently...
They also indicated that they weren't living in a first world nation, maybe get out of your bubble hmmm? Lol and no, I've lived in countries where you would not get a vegan meal out. Hell, the area I live in now (in Southern Canada) I can't get vegan options when eating out, I guess I could order some bread lol. Your experience doesn't reflect the rest of the world. Like, you do know that right? There's also something called food deserts that makes eating vegan really difficult, even in developed nations.
Truly one of your best videos thus far
I just discovered your channel and wanted to thank you for your science-informed videos. I'm not vegan but I'm deeply interested in learning more about it and being able to read the scientific literature you're basing yourself on is really valuable!
Thank you for this well spoken video! You were honest and logical and yet very nice and kind.
"Keep in mind that Jewish metaphysics is a bit different on soteriology and the nature of sin/sacrifice" - I'm Jewish and am so happy that you included that disclaimer with a Jewish source. As well as mentioning Gen. 1:29 and Jewish Veg! To me, it seems, throughout the Hebrew Bible, God is very uncomfortable with meat eating.
Those morality-themed response videos are my favorite. Honestly watching those kinds of videos from your channel was one of the main things that convinced me to go vegan about a year ago. I understand that they take more effort though and I appreciate it!
Hot. Damn. I love how respectful and concise you are. As a Catholic lapsed vegan, you've convinced me to seriously reconsider returning to veganism, or at least as compassionate a diet as I can get to right now. Stay lit. 💛
I'm really interested in hearing more about the environmental effects of 'sustainable animals', like how much reduction would be necessary to counteract the increased methane.