Come on u can't know,, he could be descended from converted byzantine greeks of asia minor, or even balkan...The byzantine mode was based on the classical greek, and that was shaped with the phrygian mode, from a brother tribe that settled in west-central asia minor
I dont know why you are think like this but ıt does not matter.It's my music or not.Imperium romanum culture very charming. Also,Ottoman civilization and roman civilization are the successors ı think.So you are wrong about that.
This is the music of the Eastern Roman Empire, it influenced all surrounding nations from the Balkan’s to Mesopotamia. It is the evolution of Greco-Roman classical music with elements of Sassanian music, the two empires co-existed for nearly 700 years. Both empires had their spheres of influence. The Seljuk Turks were Turkmen who adopted Persian customs and culture. Eventually they spread into Byzantine territory (Anatolia) further mixing the pot of music and culture. The music in this track is a by-product of the 11th and 12th century. The Arab’s who had during this period spread Islam had already been heavily influenced by the Persians and Sassanian customs.
Anglo-Saxophone Ottomans definitely aren’t “Roman” sure they have influences but I feel like to call them Roman is incorrect since they basically tried to end that rule.
@@ultraubesian4305 I am not sure but Most of Ottoman Sultans had Roman looking more than Central Asian included founders of Empire like Osman Gazi and Ertugrul Gazi. Some people in central asia do not consider We Anatalians as Turcic people.
He escuchado estas canciones bizantinas desde el 2015 y no me canso de ello, de alguna manera son como un escape a todo lo que normalmente escucho en mi diario vivir. Es algo relajante.
ναι ειναι αληθεια. διάβασε μόνος σου για το βυζάντιο. εγώ το κάνω. ειναι υποχρέωση. όπως και αρχαία ελληνική φιλοσοφία και ιστορία αλλά και βυζαντινή. Και μάλιστα, παρα πολυ σημαντική περίοδος για να καταλάβει ο έλληνας ποιος ειναι, η περίοδος 1070 με 1450.
It's so beautiful !! Was the bass line also composed along with the melody in the 11th century? If so, that could mean two amazing things: 1. A sense of counterpoint was known at the time in the Eastern Roman Empire, and it was used at least in secular works. 2. Xenos Koronis was a (sadly forgotten) master of counterpoint, even preceding Leoninus and Perotinus in western Europe!
Not true, not from 11th century. Xenos Koronis was a younger contemporary of Koukouzeles active in the first half of the 14th century (ca. 1320-45). It`s not music style from 11th century.
@@UkrainianBaroque I do not think so! This music is preserved in the Demotic (folk) Greek music. It has changed very little, if at all since ancient times. Thus style and the instruments precede Koukouzelis ay least 1-2 centuries.
@@nicka.papanikolaou9475 Tradition is one thing. But here, too, one must approach this issue with caution. "Folk" is not applicable to such music. It was "learned" music with its own notation and there was no oral tradition. Until the 14th century, the style was different, but with Kukuzel it changed to a more sophisticated one. It's like that somewhere in France in the 14th century there was an ars nova style, and in the 1370-80s. in Avignon, a very sophisticated style of ars subtilior appeared. And besides, you clearly write that the composer LIVED in the 10th-11th centuries, when he lived in the 14th century. It's like saying that Beethoven was born in the 16th century.
love the comments. humans will never change..I also love the chord changes, minor and dark, a moment later a beautiful flute lifting your heart to the sky
Not true, not from 11th century. Xenos Koronis was a younger contemporary of Koukouzeles active in the first half of the 14th century (ca. 1320-45). It`s not music style from 11th century.
@@UkrainianBaroque in fact i researched about it in greek, in which of course you find the more and most accurate information about byzantine times, and he seems to have lived in the last half of the 12th century, after Koukouzeles. Or at least I found three sources that say so, whereas i found none claiming he lived in the 14th century. It is true though that he did not live in the 11th.
@@costis2024 In the second half of the 12th century after Koukouzelis?? Master Koukouzelis lived ca. 1280-1360. He worked in the 14th century, like Xenos Koronis. Colophonic music could not have been written before the 14th century. If Koronis was a little younger, then he should have been born around 1290-1300. I know that Master Koukouzelis did calophonic adaptations of earlier compositions, but this has always been indicated.
@@UkrainianBaroque that's what byzantine studies say. The sources are all in greek so there is no point to quote them but it is clear that Greek orthodox church which is the one to hold all manuscripts and historic data, claims what I mentioned. I was not born then so i cannot know myself when each one lived, but i believe them. The data they have are incredible. It would be like saying that i know more than the Vatican about when each bishop lived. One more clue is that they have exact dates (birth and death dates) for every psalt that lived after 1260 or so, whereas they only mention the century and if it was on the first or second half about all those born before 1260
Νομίζω ότι μέχρι της πατριαρχείας του Ιωακείμ του Μεγαλοπρεπούς, όλοι οι αξιωματούχοι ψάλτες των Πατριαρχείων έπρεπε να γνωρίζουν και την "έξωθεν" (κοσμική) μουσική ώστε να ψυχαγωγούν τους "υψηλούς" προσκεκλημένους ή επισκέπτες κατά τη διάρκεια των επίσημων γευμάτων, που παρετίθεντο.
I just shocked, I born in Balkans with Turkish origins, I can see that this song has, byzantine, turkish and balKanic in it. Really shocked. It just send shivers down my spine. Perfect. Sorry to discover that tooo late
@@nicka.papanikolaou9475 I agree with your comment. There are Turkish Modern Classic Music genres, also even in Turkey there are different genres of religious (Muslim) music. As far as I see Ottoman music is the root for those genres and as you said as the Byzantine music dates far back, there is a huge amount of influence from Byzantium in Ottoman art and music.
deathontheroad666 this is reconstructed Byzantine music so it isn't the exact same. I think the organ was meant to be a hydraulis otherwise it is very poorly constructed Byzantine music.
Funny how this sounds like a fusion of modern Balkan and Arabic music. I guess the two cultures took what they liked best from the Byzantine tradition. That is, if this is at all a faithful adaption of this ancient song.
+Enna Silkov I remember reading that this composer (Halaris) became controversial in Greece because his Byzantine interpretation actually removed most of the "folksy" Balkan elements. Honestly, I think the fact that it still sounds a lot like modern Balkan and Mid-East music is a testament to a *good* adaptation. Also, to my ear it this adaptation has more in common with Greek-Turkish-Armenian-Persian music rather than Arabic. It is a lot calmer than stereotypical Arabic music.
+Enna Silkov Actually, the Arabs acquired musical manuscripts and such.....They adapted the Byzantine music! Modern Arabic...unless very, very rural is this fusion. The Balkans are other cultures like Slavs, Bulgars, Avars and Albanian (Illyrians) and such who borrowed. Not sure if they had composers and such . By the way, "Byzantine" is a bad word to use....they called themselves "Romaee" meaning "Romans" during the first half of the empire and then "Ellines" or "Sons of Ellas" during the later half!
I found info thak you very much, its always nice to hear about how far in the world Orthodoxy goes, one day the Church will unite, its a pity though that orthodox Turks are persecuted by muslims in the place modern turkey is, in lands that has been wet with christian blood. Because Asia minor is a small Jerusalem from the so much martyr blood that has been spilled there.
***** yes but not for long China will betray Russia when, the Russian army will reach Jerusalem, as saint Andrew the Christ mad prophecied, ''the brother nations will unite'', then the Russians will lose the war.
This melody has nothing to do with arabic elements some people are really ignorant the real arabs are gulf arabs and they do not have such culture, by the way levantine people are not arab they are linguistically arabized people their culture is based on byzantine culture.
Actually in fact literally it closely resembles Persian music hence where the relative confusion comes from since Arabic music was heavily influenced by Persian music as well and Byzantine music is a great mixture of Roman and Persian music, their neibourhood's music.
It actually has a lot to do with Arab music. Because the Arabs did not just appear out of thin air by spontaneous generation. Arabs and Byzantines drew from the same sources: Greek and Persian. And later Jewish and Spanish with Gypsy influence. And there were the Romans before that all. And people did travel, specially in the Middle East. Arabia was an important knot of communication with Asia, India and China and so was Persia itself. The Byzantines had as much contact with the Arabs as they may have nowadays and both, Arabs and Byzantines knew Greek and Greek music. You are thus utterly wrong in saying that this music has nothing to do with the Arabs and that the Arabs did not have such culture. Unless you can prove that the Romans did not exist and the Arab peninsula rose from the sea during the early Middle Ages.
It is fascinating to hear this bit of music because of all the influences you can hear. From the Middle Eastern String Instruements to the Wood WInd instruements and a very western style to the music, you can almost hear this being played by a bard (not to sound comically stereotypical)
@@retrosonsfc844 The Byzantines were both Greeks and Romans. Greece is a European country and the Roman Empire is at the origin of the Western world and Europe. In addition they were Christians (orthodox).
Hi Mrs.R., is this the piece of music you were talking about? It is amazing. 11th Century,according to the comments.Makes me feel VERY humble,all that has gone before and all we do as a nation is try to wreck and bomb the planet.We need a magic carpet to take us away to distant lands.We could go to the Bazaar everyday.Bliss.AMLML.xxxxxxx.
Μην τα βλέπουμε όλα υπό το πρίσμα μίας ρομαντικής και νοσταλγικής διάθεσης. Οι εποχές εκείνες, ακόμα και οι πλέον ακμαίες, ήταν δύσκολες συγκριτικά με το σήμερα. Ωστόσο είναι ωραίο να προσπαθούμε να τις αφουγκραστούμε.
Φίλε συμφωνώ με το νόημα των λεγόμενών σου. Είμαι & εγώ της λάτρης & σπουδαστής δια βίου της Βυζαντ.Μουσικής. Υπάρχουν λόγοι για τους οποίους δυστυχώς αμελήθηκε αυτός ο πλούτος μας (ευτυχώς ποτέ από όλους, & έτσι διασώθηκε τρόπον τινά). ΌΜΩΣ εάν μιλάμε και γράφουμε με αυτόν τον τρόπο.. δεν θα δούμε προκοπή ούτε θα αντιστρέψουμε την κατάσταση! Δεν μας ταιριάζει όμως να μιλάμε σαν να βρίζουμε & να καταριόμαστε εν εξάλλω αυτούς που δυστυχώς δεν έχουν αντιληφθεί κάτι τόσο όμορφο! Να 'σαι καλά!
I believe it's like seeing too people standing on the horizon. They might be able to see the distance between themselves, but to the far away observer, they seem to be very close. So too, us westerners see two cultures much further from ours than they are from each other, so they seem close together.
@@anon8740 Indeed, and it's understandable. Although I must say that it is a bit funny how people comment that this sounds too "Eastern" to them - they would be amazed if they ever listened to ancient Greek music.
σωστός. η δυτική μουσική, παρόλη την πολυπλοκότητα που ορισμένες φορές παρουσιάζει, είναι κατα βαση επιδεικτική και εμπαθώς καταδεικνύει τον συνθέτη (Ποια ηταν η παραδοση τους πριν? ο Μπαχ δεν ξεφύτρωσε από κανα δέντρο...) . οι βυζαντινοί όχι οτι δεν μπορούσαν να κάνουν το ίδιο, και καλύτερα πιθανώς, απλά είχαν την κουλτούρα και το πνευματικό επίπεδο να γνωρίζουν τον πραγματικό σκοπό της μουσικής. η βυζαντινή μουσική ήταν εσωτερική, διαλεκτική με τον άνθρωπο και τον Κόσμο και εξυψωτική.
It's from a medieval Byzantine composer called Ξένος ὁ Κορώνης (Xenos from Koroni, a place in the Peloponnese, Greece) who lived in late 1000's AD and composed both religious and secular music. This is one of his secular masterpieces.
Generally, I had read once in the analysis of a Greek university teacher that Byzantines or let's say Hellenized Medieval Romans of the East, had started with strong ancient Greek influence in their music during the first centuries and that after 8th or 9th century byzantine music had gone through a process of arabization and persification up to a point
Not true, not from 11th century. Xenos Koronis was a younger contemporary of Koukouzeles active in the first half of the 14th century (ca. 1320-45). It`s not music style from 11th century.
Πως και πόσο νωρίτερα θα είχε ακμάσει και εξελιχθεί η ευρωπαϊκή μουσική εαν δεν έμπαινε στο ψυγείο ο ελληνικός πολιτισμός, δηλαδή εαν δεν πεφταμε στα χέρια των βάρβαρων Οθωμανών;;
English: 'Kratimata' (Holdings) are compositions with infinitive syllables in place of text, such as te-ri-rem, to-ro-ro, ne-ne-na and others. The non-use of text allows the composer to compose excellent pages of pure music. The learned Metropolitan of Philadelphia Gerasimos Vlachos Kris (17th century) writes that "according to symbolic theology, the terirem does not want to mark anything other than the incomprehensibility of the Godhead" {Godhead (or godhood) refers to the essence or substance (ousia) of the Christian God, especially as existing in three persons - the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.}. Michalis Adamis observes that holding is the absolute kind of music of the Byzantines, which is expressed with independent and complete compositions. (Source except from the text in {}: Κράτημα | Δόμνα Σαμίουwww.domnasamiou.gr) ------------------------------------- Greek: Κρατήματα είναι συνθέσεις με άσημες συλλαβές στη θέση του κειμένου, όπως τε-ρι-ρεμ, το-ρο-ρο, νε-νε-να και άλλες. Η μη χρήση κειμένου δίνει στον μελοποιό τη δυνατότητα να συνθέσει έξοχες σελίδες καθαρής μουσικής. Ο λόγιος Μητροπολίτης Φιλαδελφείας Γεράσιμος Βλάχος ο Κρης (17ος αι.) γράφει ότι «κατά την συμβολικήν θεολογίαν το τερερέ δεν θέλει να σημαδεύσει άλλο, παρά το ακατανόητον της Θεότητος». Ο Μιχάλης Αδάμης παρατηρεί πως το κράτημα είναι το απόλυτο είδος μουσικής των Βυζαντινών, που εκφράζεται με συνθέσεις αυτοτελείς και ολοκληρωμένες. Πηγή: Κράτημα | Δόμνα Σαμίουwww.domnasamiou.gr)
This is Roman.. but somehow I hear a very tone similar to qanbus or oud.. like of the Arabs and Persians... then I realize, yes this is the EASTERN roman empire..
After the death of Julius Nespos, then-Eastern Roman Emperor Flavius Zeno Leo, saw the western provinces forever lost to outside (barbarian) forces and issued a proclamation that the two-emperor system for the Roman Empire (established by Flavius Theodosius I on his deathbed) be dissolved, legally making him and his successors the only Roman Emperors. Afterwards, there is no east/west division, and the Romans certainly didn't go by that name. Part of the reason why we are not taught this is because a lot of people do not know about the papal forgery, the Donations of Constantine (proven to be a forgery in the 1400's). Look it up elsewhere, i do not want a bigger block of text than there needs to be. :P
i agree with all the replies of you.. the later western-asian culture were heavily influenced by the Greek, thats why they sound similar in tonal.. -let us remember those of the contantinopolitan days, do not let them be vanquished from the memories-
The main instruments used here came first from Assyrians, all others like Arabs, Byzantines and then Ottomans take this from Assyrians. Oud is one of them
amunt amunt you like this kind of music ? Maybe you are right....but is this important ? What will you say with this ? That the Byzantines dont have their own music culture ? greetings from Greece...
This music is Greek music only , i never doubt that. The sound is unique Byzantine music, i just say that it use Oud so look like Assyrian because all great Civilization there use the same instruments that time
Persian, Arabic, Balkan and Greek effects... Some of the byzantine musics has got density of arabic - persian maqams. Some music's has got greek melodies. Byzantine music took some important things from Turks also, for example 'drums'... Just byzantine church uses drums in their rituals. Arabs took alot of poem and melodies from Byzantine, also... Finally, Turkish Classical songs has got some persian, some arabic effects as a byzantine music ; but includes Turkish melodies, mostly. Especially Turkish folk songs entirely occurs with Central Asian originated nomadic Turkic songs. not middle eastern.
Tengiz Türk Are you imbecile? What drum do you hear here? And where did you ever see drums in an Orthodox Church? Don't bother answering, it's rhetorical.
This example here is pretty classical, but it seems that also the hymns are related "Greek and foreign historians agree that the ecclesiastical tones and in general the whole system of Byzantine music is closely related to the ancient Greek system.[205]". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire. But as far as I know that was also influenced by the phrygian, a brother tribe of asia minor
Aristo said Europeans are bald but dump, asians are coward but smart and we Greeks are in-between these two. some smart and some bald. almost 2000 years after a civilization cofounded by Aristo, it is strange that the descendants are still discussing are we western, no no, wait you are eastern, no no .... and son on. perhaps just because nobody still believing to Aristo. but I do. so discourse is closed 2000 years ago
@@epicstimulus282 Not really. Lmfao! We are only verbally dumb-cunning but it's subconsciously triggered since Greeks are easily triggered and overly raging all the time. That's originating from the Byzantine psycho-neurosis, misery and thought-slaughter especially on the later centuries. When the Hippodrome was running, times were relatively smooth.
I would argue that Ottoman music is more influenced by Byzantine music and especially Persian music. Ottoman music sounds nothing like traditional central Asian music, and even the Turks in Turkmenistan and other Turkic countries are and have been Persianized since the Middle Ages
Turks were nomads that came down from the Caucasus steppes never lived in the core byzantine land, they later invaded and settled it but it was no longer "byzantine", it was lost from constantinople control after mantzikert late 11th...Welcome to the planet people please don't have opinions about things you are unaware of at least PLEASE do some resaerch. The byzantines that were extrerminated or evicted by the turcomongols are rolling in their grave!!!! Sir how on earth can we talk about "turkish" ,for things that were done before they showed up? Moreover Nomads had these instruments and knowledge running down from the steppes?
Somehow I can't unhear the "Turkiness" in it. This sounds very Anatolic. Not to be euphemistic or anything. It reminds me of vine grapes hanging from those iron bar-complex structures, extremely beautiful curly-haired jet black Turkish women (like the Hittite woman mosaic that is found in antiquity), Aspa Tsina (dunno how), red high class wine and etc.. But it's Turkish... nothing Greek or Roman comes to mind. It doesn't sound "Roman" or Greek. It sounds just... alien. And because Turkish music sounds like this that highly influenced Greek music in return it's difficult to convince myself that is Roman music.
Osmans when they conquered Constantinople they borrowed almost everything from them, from the imperialism to music and court fashion and customs. Even the ottomanist scholars admit it. ;) The music sounded like this long before turks even arrived in Anatolia.
You must be joking right? what is the "turkishness" in it? Where is the tsifteteli in it? It doesn't sound "turkish" AT ALL. IT is totally classical, totally greek and composed in greece. Turks are a mongol molded mixture of muslims of every ethnicity in the world. On their way mixed with Caucasus people, Invaded western anatolia that was the core byzantine land, inhabited by aegean islanders and south balkan related greco-thracian people forever from way before alexander the great, of hellenic orientation and spoke it as a native for thousand years. Peonians-mysians, bithynians, phrygians had already a version of it. In wikipedia it clearly states the byzantines were evicted=FORCED OUT of phrygia. The greeks were also evacuating nicea when those eastern people were massacring them forcing them out...Come on, this is a culture you destroyed...
Eliana Ritsoni - "Tsiftetelli" is a moving folk music of Balkan Turks. Ofcourse it wouldn't sound like this music, duh. This "Byzantine" music DOES sound like Turkish classical music (Türk sanat müziği) and Sufi music/hymns (Türk tasavvuf müziği) because it was arranged by Christodoulos Halaris (born in 1946) who wrongly used Turkish, Persian and Arabic musical instruments to play Byzantine music, which is an anachronism.
"Same goes for Greco-Byzantine (no string instruments), except that Byzantines "invented" the religious, church-like music you can hear when you search "Byzantine music"".... Well... I don't know if if you really understand what a string instrument is but this will be helpful... www.musicportal.gr/byzantine_music_popular/?lang=en
No, Western Catholics destroyed Byzantium and their inner problems. Turks just ate leftovers, and in fact preserved many things of the medieval greeks.
Νομίζω πως είναι το ωραιότερο κομμάτι που έχω ακούσει ποτέ μου.
Greets from Serbia.
@@ratkomartinovic65 Greetings to you, from Greece/Belgium!
@ratkomartinovic65 Greeks and Serbians are brothers under Jesus Christ's light. Greetings my friend!
Η συνέχεια κ ο εμπλουτισμός τής αρχαίας μουσικής των Ελλήνων!!!
Greetings from Turkey.It's a treasure I think.
KEK
Batuhan Aksungur its not your music so dont get happy
Come on u can't know,, he could be descended from converted byzantine greeks of asia minor, or even balkan...The byzantine mode was based on the classical greek, and that was shaped with the phrygian mode, from a brother tribe that settled in west-central asia minor
I dont know why you are think like this but ıt does not matter.It's my music or not.Imperium romanum culture very charming. Also,Ottoman civilization and roman civilization are the successors ı think.So you are wrong about that.
regardless it belongs to everyone, but there was a guy above saying it belongs to turks
This is my first video of byzantine music, I am surprised to discover how beautiful is and deep. Thank you.
This is the music of the Eastern Roman Empire, it influenced all surrounding nations from the Balkan’s to Mesopotamia. It is the evolution of Greco-Roman classical music with elements of Sassanian music, the two empires co-existed for nearly 700 years. Both empires had their spheres of influence. The Seljuk Turks were Turkmen who adopted Persian customs and culture. Eventually they spread into Byzantine territory (Anatolia) further mixing the pot of music and culture. The music in this track is a by-product of the 11th and 12th century. The Arab’s who had during this period spread Islam had already been heavily influenced by the Persians and Sassanian customs.
So it is an actually a music style which belongs a region that once became homeland for Greco - Romanic and Persian civilizations.
Late Ottomans weren't Persian at all. They's basically muslim Roman.
Anglo-Saxophone Ottomans definitely aren’t “Roman” sure they have influences but I feel like to call them Roman is incorrect since they basically tried to end that rule.
This music is similar to Turkish Art Music. In my opinion, Ottoman Culture was influenced by Byzantium a lot.
@@ultraubesian4305 I am not sure but Most of Ottoman Sultans had Roman looking more than Central Asian included founders of Empire like Osman Gazi and Ertugrul Gazi. Some people in central asia do not consider We Anatalians as Turcic people.
Πιστεύω ότι οι επιρροές από την αρχαία Ελλάδα είναι εντονότερες παρά από την ανατολή!
Δεν είναι επιρροές, είναι η συνέχεια της Αρχαίας Ελληνικής μουσικης
@@aokiaoki4238 Τα λίγα αποσπάσματα της αρχαιοελληνικής μουσικής που έχουν επιβιώσει το μαρτυρούν αυτό
Πολιτισμικά οι Βυζαντινοί επηρέασαν όχι επηρεάστηκαν.
Ok what makes you believe that?
LOL
@@aokiaoki4238how do you know this?
He escuchado estas canciones bizantinas desde el 2015 y no me canso de ello, de alguna manera son como un escape a todo lo que normalmente escucho en mi diario vivir. Es algo relajante.
Aceptar. Es relajante.
μακαρι να μας διδασκαν αυτη τη μουσικη ξερουμε πολυ λιγα για το βυζαντιο ..
Η εκπαίδευση είναι αυτή που είναι, δυστυχώς. Η λύση είναι να ψάχνει κανένας μόνος του.
ναι ειναι αληθεια. διάβασε μόνος σου για το βυζάντιο. εγώ το κάνω. ειναι υποχρέωση. όπως και αρχαία ελληνική φιλοσοφία και ιστορία αλλά και βυζαντινή. Και μάλιστα, παρα πολυ σημαντική περίοδος για να καταλάβει ο έλληνας ποιος ειναι, η περίοδος 1070 με 1450.
@@innosanto έχεις να προτείνεις καπιο βιβλίο γιατί για βυζαντιο δεν έχω αγοράσει ποτέ καπιο μόνο για αρχαία Ελλάδα
@@ΙΣΤΟΡΙΚΕΣΜΝΗΜΕΣ-λ4η" Γιατί Βυζάντιο"
@@aokiaoki4238 ειναι η συνεχεια της αρχαιας ελλαδας
Ήχος που ξυπνάει το Ελληνικό DNA της Αρχαιότητας του Βυζαντίου στο σήμερα και την Αιωνιότητα. IC XΡ NIKA.
Невероятно красивая и проникновенная мелодия!
It's so beautiful !!
Was the bass line also composed along with the melody in the 11th century? If so, that could mean two amazing things:
1. A sense of counterpoint was known at the time in the Eastern Roman Empire, and it was used at least in secular works.
2. Xenos Koronis was a (sadly forgotten) master of counterpoint, even preceding Leoninus and Perotinus in western Europe!
Xenos Koronis was a Greek composer from the town of Koroni in the Peloponnese. He lived in the 10th to 11th century AD.
Not true, not from 11th century. Xenos Koronis was a younger contemporary of Koukouzeles active in the first half of the 14th century (ca. 1320-45). It`s not music style from 11th century.
@@UkrainianBaroque I do not think so! This music is preserved in the Demotic (folk) Greek music. It has changed very little, if at all since ancient times. Thus style and the instruments precede Koukouzelis ay least 1-2 centuries.
@@nicka.papanikolaou9475 Tradition is one thing. But here, too, one must approach this issue with caution. "Folk" is not applicable to such music. It was "learned" music with its own notation and there was no oral tradition. Until the 14th century, the style was different, but with Kukuzel it changed to a more sophisticated one. It's like that somewhere in France in the 14th century there was an ars nova style, and in the 1370-80s. in Avignon, a very sophisticated style of ars subtilior appeared. And besides, you clearly write that the composer LIVED in the 10th-11th centuries, when he lived in the 14th century. It's like saying that Beethoven was born in the 16th century.
@@UkrainianBaroque What I wrote is historical fact. Koukouzelis is a composer of the 13th-14th century AD
Maravillosísima
Klassic Byzantine (East Rome Greece) Music
very good music and interpretation
absolutely, I don't know how it sounded in the 11th century but this is marvellous
@@SilvaMorasten perhaps one day we'll could travel in times and see, like little mouses, what really happened in yesterday's lifes.
Man.... This is incredible above all I've listened since I've born LOL
love the comments. humans will never change..I also love the chord changes, minor and dark, a moment later a beautiful flute lifting your heart to the sky
It's authentic. Composed during 11th Century
Constantinos Papaconstantinou organ must be hydraulis tho
Not true, not from 11th century. Xenos Koronis was a younger contemporary of Koukouzeles active in the first half of the 14th century (ca. 1320-45). It`s not music style from 11th century.
@@UkrainianBaroque in fact i researched about it in greek, in which of course you find the more and most accurate information about byzantine times, and he seems to have lived in the last half of the 12th century, after Koukouzeles. Or at least I found three sources that say so, whereas i found none claiming he lived in the 14th century. It is true though that he did not live in the 11th.
@@costis2024 In the second half of the 12th century after Koukouzelis?? Master Koukouzelis lived ca. 1280-1360. He worked in the 14th century, like Xenos Koronis. Colophonic music could not have been written before the 14th century. If Koronis was a little younger, then he should have been born around 1290-1300. I know that Master Koukouzelis did calophonic adaptations of earlier compositions, but this has always been indicated.
@@UkrainianBaroque that's what byzantine studies say. The sources are all in greek so there is no point to quote them but it is clear that Greek orthodox church which is the one to hold all manuscripts and historic data, claims what I mentioned. I was not born then so i cannot know myself when each one lived, but i believe them. The data they have are incredible. It would be like saying that i know more than the Vatican about when each bishop lived. One more clue is that they have exact dates (birth and death dates) for every psalt that lived after 1260 or so, whereas they only mention the century and if it was on the first or second half about all those born before 1260
Respect from turkey.Ottoman and east roma have amazing culture.
yes
hypocrite
@@retrosonsfc844 oh hello mr. Hypocrite. I'm mehmed. Nice to meet you.
Hello Mr. Çoban, have a great life and enjoy the wonder in the cosmos
awesome, greetings from summeria
Vαlσи Aнмaтι do you mean Sumer?
Θαυμάσιο δείγμα. Υπάρχουν και μουσικά κείμενα κοσμικής μουσικής του Ιωάννη Κουκουζέλη που είναι πραγματικά αριστουργήματα.
Νομίζω ότι μέχρι της πατριαρχείας του Ιωακείμ του Μεγαλοπρεπούς, όλοι οι αξιωματούχοι ψάλτες των Πατριαρχείων έπρεπε να γνωρίζουν και την "έξωθεν" (κοσμική) μουσική ώστε να ψυχαγωγούν τους "υψηλούς" προσκεκλημένους ή επισκέπτες κατά τη διάρκεια των επίσημων γευμάτων, που παρετίθεντο.
Υπάρχει περίπτωση να υπάρχει κάπου σε βυζαντινή σημειογραφία;
This is very nice music.Greetings from turkey
BiniXi You are so funny :))
This is music that reaches to the greatest depths of my consciousness.
I just shocked, I born in Balkans with Turkish origins, I can see that this song has, byzantine, turkish and balKanic in it. Really shocked. It just send shivers down my spine. Perfect. Sorry to discover that tooo late
mcrmehmet but... Byzantine descendants ARE BALKANIC
@@epicstimulus282 Actually, it is Balkan (Haemus Peninsula) people that descend from Byzantium (Eastern Roman Empire), not the other way around. ;)
There is nothing Turkish in it. It was composed between 1050 and 1100, or perhaps a bit later. Now you know where Ottoman music derives from
@@nicka.papanikolaou9475 I agree with your comment. There are Turkish Modern Classic Music genres, also even in Turkey there are different genres of religious (Muslim) music. As far as I see Ottoman music is the root for those genres and as you said as the Byzantine music dates far back, there is a huge amount of influence from Byzantium in Ottoman art and music.
Υπέροχο, απλά.Μαρία, παρακαλώ θερμά, ανεβάστε και τον υπέροχο "Δυσφυρο"- έχω το τριπλό cd και μού έχει σπάσει το πιο αγαπημένο μου...
Long live the Romans the Greek speaking Romans
αν σε συγκινει αυτο το ακουσμα,τοτε ξερεις ποιες ειναι οι ριζες σου...
Beautiful!
Was this perhaps another inspiration for "The Gael" ? I notice some similarities
11TH CENTURY? WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW TRUE BYZANTINE MUSIC :D
deathontheroad666 this is reconstructed Byzantine music so it isn't the exact same. I think the organ was meant to be a hydraulis otherwise it is very poorly constructed Byzantine music.
You mean it is supposed to be played with a harmonium/ organ
Funny how this sounds like a fusion of modern Balkan and Arabic music. I guess the two cultures took what they liked best from the Byzantine tradition.
That is, if this is at all a faithful adaption of this ancient song.
+Enna Silkov I remember reading that this composer (Halaris) became controversial in Greece because his Byzantine interpretation actually removed most of the "folksy" Balkan elements. Honestly, I think the fact that it still sounds a lot like modern Balkan and Mid-East music is a testament to a *good* adaptation.
Also, to my ear it this adaptation has more in common with Greek-Turkish-Armenian-Persian music rather than Arabic. It is a lot calmer than stereotypical Arabic music.
Jeremy Watkins Thank you for the comment! Now I appreciate the song more.
+Enna Silkov
Actually, the Arabs acquired musical manuscripts and such.....They adapted the Byzantine music!
Modern Arabic...unless very, very rural is this fusion.
The Balkans are other cultures like Slavs, Bulgars, Avars and Albanian (Illyrians) and such who borrowed.
Not sure if they had composers and such .
By the way, "Byzantine" is a bad word to use....they called themselves "Romaee" meaning "Romans" during the first half of the empire and then "Ellines" or "Sons of Ellas" during the later half!
***** Thanks for the reminder! From now on they will be "Eastern Rome" in my mind.
+Enna Silkov
Sure....My grandmother's last name was Argyros meaning silversmith...the name has Eastern Roman roots
nice music
Please call them eastern Roman, And Anatolia was the original Romania....Love and respect to my Greek and orthodox brothers.
nice to hear that :D
I found info thak you very much, its always nice to hear about how far in the world Orthodoxy goes, one day the Church will unite, its a pity though that orthodox Turks are persecuted by muslims in the place modern turkey is, in lands that has been wet with christian blood.
Because Asia minor is a small Jerusalem from the so much martyr blood that has been spilled there.
yup I waz there recently
yup I have, I uzed to have spiritual father from there
***** yes but not for long China will betray Russia when, the Russian army will reach Jerusalem, as saint Andrew the Christ mad prophecied, ''the brother nations will unite'', then the Russians will lose the war.
5:56 Groot?
SUPER!!!!
Animal and plant pics...
Byzantine Science Homework, copy from Greek textbook
'But no I didn't do it!'
_Byzantine Student_
*_DETENTION_*
This melody has nothing to do with arabic elements some people are really ignorant the real arabs are gulf arabs and they do not have such culture, by the way levantine people are not arab they are linguistically arabized people their culture is based on byzantine culture.
Actually in fact literally it closely resembles Persian music hence where the relative confusion comes from since Arabic music was heavily influenced by Persian music as well and Byzantine music is a great mixture of Roman and Persian music, their neibourhood's music.
It actually has a lot to do with Arab music.
Because the Arabs did not just appear out of thin air by spontaneous generation. Arabs and Byzantines drew from the same sources: Greek and Persian. And later Jewish and Spanish with Gypsy influence.
And there were the Romans before that all. And people did travel, specially in the Middle East. Arabia was an important knot of communication with Asia, India and China and so was Persia itself.
The Byzantines had as much contact with the Arabs as they may have nowadays and both, Arabs and Byzantines knew Greek and Greek music.
You are thus utterly wrong in saying that this music has nothing to do with the Arabs and that the Arabs did not have such culture. Unless you can prove that the Romans did not exist and the Arab peninsula rose from the sea during the early Middle Ages.
back to school..ignorant (sorry for that)
It is fascinating to hear this bit of music because of all the influences you can hear. From the Middle Eastern String Instruements to the Wood WInd instruements and a very western style to the music, you can almost hear this being played by a bard (not to sound comically stereotypical)
Laurence Dixon He he.. eastern Mediterranean, brother. Most crazy mix of nations and cultures. Greetings from Balkan peninsula.
...στην ανατολή, στην Ανατολή....
8:39 wonderful
This is Byzantine (European), NOT Ottoman music for any cultural appropriators out there.
Byzantine s not only European :). What is European ? What is Byzantine ?....
Retroson SFC East roman empire
@@retrosonsfc844 culturally, they are European.
Not really
@@retrosonsfc844 The Byzantines were both Greeks and Romans. Greece is a European country and the Roman Empire is at the origin of the Western world and Europe.
In addition they were Christians (orthodox).
Βρείτε μου τον Ανυφάντη!!!!! Σας παρακαλώ!!!! Έχω κολλήσει με το κομμάτι αυτό!!!! Δεν είναι πρέπον να καταργούν το φως!!!!
8:39-8:48 This was awasome i want longer 😔😔😔😔
Hi Mrs.R., is this the piece of music you were talking about? It is amazing. 11th Century,according to the comments.Makes me feel VERY humble,all that has gone before and all we do as a nation is try to wreck and bomb the planet.We need a magic carpet to take us away to distant lands.We could go to the Bazaar everyday.Bliss.AMLML.xxxxxxx.
Full of trolls and envious in here...
Memoir Enchordis
What an exquisite piece.
I am not Greek, but I agree with you. Aπολυτως ;)
Music discharges with the peaceful, unstoppable force of the flow of water in the torrent of the waterfall; a vivid expression of the power of God.
I was born in the wrong century!
Я родился в неправильном веке!
γεννήθηκα σε λάθος αιώνα!
me too!
😂😂😂
Μην τα βλέπουμε όλα υπό το πρίσμα μίας ρομαντικής και νοσταλγικής διάθεσης. Οι εποχές εκείνες, ακόμα και οι πλέον ακμαίες, ήταν δύσκολες συγκριτικά με το σήμερα. Ωστόσο είναι ωραίο να προσπαθούμε να τις αφουγκραστούμε.
one of my most favourite tracks of the Middle Ages, extraordinary
Where is this from?
Μπράβο! Ανέβασε κι άλλα
Φίλε συμφωνώ με το νόημα των λεγόμενών σου.
Είμαι & εγώ της λάτρης & σπουδαστής δια βίου της Βυζαντ.Μουσικής. Υπάρχουν λόγοι για τους οποίους δυστυχώς αμελήθηκε αυτός ο πλούτος μας (ευτυχώς ποτέ από όλους, & έτσι διασώθηκε τρόπον τινά).
ΌΜΩΣ εάν μιλάμε και γράφουμε με αυτόν τον τρόπο.. δεν θα δούμε προκοπή ούτε θα αντιστρέψουμε την κατάσταση!
Δεν μας ταιριάζει όμως να μιλάμε σαν να βρίζουμε & να καταριόμαστε εν εξάλλω αυτούς που δυστυχώς δεν έχουν αντιληφθεί κάτι τόσο όμορφο!
Να 'σαι καλά!
I do enjoy seeing western Europeans compare this to middle eastern music, whats different is all the same to them it seems...
I believe it's like seeing too people standing on the horizon. They might be able to see the distance between themselves, but to the far away observer, they seem to be very close.
So too, us westerners see two cultures much further from ours than they are from each other, so they seem close together.
@@anon8740 Indeed, and it's understandable. Although I must say that it is a bit funny how people comment that this sounds too "Eastern" to them - they would be amazed if they ever listened to ancient Greek music.
Αυτο ειναι μουσική
Άσπρο-Μαύρο. Μπράβο σου.
We need a New Constantinople
Wth
Τέλειο!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah thanks you =)
6:07 'Mandragora'. LOL i can read it
What’s that mean?
@@sleekismboyz605 some sort of plant
It means mandrake and it is poisonous
σωστός. η δυτική μουσική, παρόλη την πολυπλοκότητα που ορισμένες φορές παρουσιάζει, είναι κατα βαση επιδεικτική και εμπαθώς καταδεικνύει τον συνθέτη (Ποια ηταν η παραδοση τους πριν? ο Μπαχ δεν ξεφύτρωσε από κανα δέντρο...) . οι βυζαντινοί όχι οτι δεν μπορούσαν να κάνουν το ίδιο, και καλύτερα πιθανώς, απλά είχαν την κουλτούρα και το πνευματικό επίπεδο να γνωρίζουν τον πραγματικό σκοπό της μουσικής. η βυζαντινή μουσική ήταν εσωτερική, διαλεκτική με τον άνθρωπο και τον Κόσμο και εξυψωτική.
I shall cook my souvlaki to this track
Peter the great its not turkish its byzantine greek
fixed it
Souvlaki is a Greek dish
πολλή όμορφη και η κοσμική βυζαντινή μουσική....
IC XC
NI KA
Can anyone tell me if this isan authentic piece from the era or simply in the style? Thanks.
Authentic! Revived from notes found in the Monasteries of Mount Athos in Macedonia, Greece, and played with authentic instruments
authentic!
Anynone can tell me which is this piece excatly origin? I want to know all his history!
It's from a medieval Byzantine composer called Ξένος ὁ Κορώνης (Xenos from Koroni, a place in the Peloponnese, Greece) who lived in late 1000's AD and composed both religious and secular music. This is one of his secular masterpieces.
Thank you dear.
Who knows, what instrument at 1:30?
It's "ney"
@@bedirhan2463
Thank you!
Floghera
🛸
Generally, I had read once in the analysis of a Greek university teacher that Byzantines or let's say Hellenized Medieval Romans of the East, had started with strong ancient Greek influence in their music during the first centuries and that after 8th or 9th century byzantine music had gone through a process of arabization and persification up to a point
GP189 no because Arabs and Persians adopted and mixed the Byzantine music
Not true, not from 11th century. Xenos Koronis was a younger contemporary of Koukouzeles active in the first half of the 14th century (ca. 1320-45). It`s not music style from 11th century.
so this proves the typical sound of muslim music isnt from muslim/islamic but byzantine/east roman/european
ORTHODOX OR DEAD☦
thought those were synths lol but its electric bass im 99.9% sure wut do you guys think?
Constantine Dragases wow really thats a pretty deep bass for pipes. im very impressed
Πως και πόσο νωρίτερα θα είχε ακμάσει και εξελιχθεί η ευρωπαϊκή μουσική εαν δεν έμπαινε στο ψυγείο ο ελληνικός πολιτισμός, δηλαδή εαν δεν πεφταμε στα χέρια των βάρβαρων Οθωμανών;;
Η οθωμανική μουσική είναι μετεξέλιξη της βυζαντινής που ακούς εδώ...
Türk steeling the music
Islamis is a Terrorist you go back to HELL
@Turk Turk
Nah, everyone claimed that title. I think Ottomans as "Third Rome" was way cooler than a bunch of Slavs.
Not really they’re the decandants of greeks and other Antolian people’s, most of their maternal lineage is Greek.
Dead Can Dance.
Who knows if they have listened to this music...
I’m so 0:59
Byzantine secular music? Does that mean that Atatourkos would approve!? 😂
By the way, this is very beautiful music! You can feel the Byzantine, Græco-Oriental flavours pouring through!! ❤
müthiş yav
Hort
Hort!
What is a Kratima?
The word ''holding'' in Greek.
English: 'Kratimata' (Holdings) are compositions with infinitive syllables in place of text, such as te-ri-rem, to-ro-ro, ne-ne-na and others. The non-use of text allows the composer to compose excellent pages of pure music. The learned Metropolitan of Philadelphia Gerasimos Vlachos Kris (17th century) writes that "according to symbolic theology, the terirem does not want to mark anything other than the incomprehensibility of the Godhead" {Godhead (or godhood) refers to the essence or substance (ousia) of the Christian God, especially as existing in three persons - the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.}. Michalis Adamis observes that holding is the absolute kind of music of the Byzantines, which is expressed with independent and complete compositions. (Source except from the text in {}:
Κράτημα | Δόμνα Σαμίουwww.domnasamiou.gr)
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Greek: Κρατήματα είναι συνθέσεις με άσημες συλλαβές στη θέση του κειμένου, όπως τε-ρι-ρεμ, το-ρο-ρο, νε-νε-να και άλλες. Η μη χρήση κειμένου δίνει στον μελοποιό τη δυνατότητα να συνθέσει έξοχες σελίδες καθαρής μουσικής. Ο λόγιος Μητροπολίτης Φιλαδελφείας Γεράσιμος Βλάχος ο Κρης (17ος αι.) γράφει ότι «κατά την συμβολικήν θεολογίαν το τερερέ δεν θέλει να σημαδεύσει άλλο, παρά το ακατανόητον της Θεότητος». Ο Μιχάλης Αδάμης παρατηρεί πως το κράτημα είναι το απόλυτο είδος μουσικής των Βυζαντινών, που εκφράζεται με συνθέσεις αυτοτελείς και ολοκληρωμένες.
Πηγή:
Κράτημα | Δόμνα Σαμίουwww.domnasamiou.gr)
Superb!!!
This is Roman.. but somehow I hear a very tone similar to qanbus or oud.. like of the Arabs and Persians... then I realize, yes this is the EASTERN roman empire..
After the death of Julius Nespos, then-Eastern Roman Emperor Flavius Zeno Leo, saw the western provinces forever lost to outside (barbarian) forces and issued a proclamation that the two-emperor system for the Roman Empire (established by Flavius Theodosius I on his deathbed) be dissolved, legally making him and his successors the only Roman Emperors.
Afterwards, there is no east/west division, and the Romans certainly didn't go by that name. Part of the reason why we are not taught this is because a lot of people do not know about the papal forgery, the Donations of Constantine (proven to be a forgery in the 1400's). Look it up elsewhere, i do not want a bigger block of text than there needs to be. :P
omnipotentum Yes, the Arabs were greatly influenced by the Greco-Roman tradition AND - even more so - by the Persian tradition.
i agree with all the replies of you.. the later western-asian culture were heavily influenced by the Greek, thats why they sound similar in tonal..
-let us remember those of the contantinopolitan days,
do not let them be vanquished from the memories-
+omnipotentum
That is *NOT* Greek actually, you are incorrect. It is Roman. Ancient Greek is nothing like it.
Not ancient Greek, medieval Greek.
The main instruments used here came first from Assyrians, all others like Arabs, Byzantines and then Ottomans take this from Assyrians. Oud is one of them
amunt amunt you like this kind of music ? Maybe you are right....but is this important ? What will you say with this ? That the Byzantines dont have their own music culture ? greetings from Greece...
This music is Greek music only , i never doubt that. The sound is unique Byzantine music, i just say that it use Oud so look like Assyrian because all great Civilization there use the same instruments that time
amunt amunt yeah but the kanonaki you hear is of Greek and Assyrian origin. It descended from the ancient Greek Epigonion.
amunt amunt and Oud isn't Assyrian
Lmao
Macedonia!
Toν πανωραίο ψάχνω και τον βγάλατε!
Persian, Arabic, Balkan and Greek effects... Some of the byzantine musics has got density of arabic - persian maqams. Some music's has got greek melodies. Byzantine music took some important things from Turks also, for example 'drums'... Just byzantine church uses drums in their rituals. Arabs took alot of poem and melodies from Byzantine, also...
Finally, Turkish Classical songs has got some persian, some arabic effects as a byzantine music ; but includes Turkish melodies, mostly. Especially Turkish folk songs entirely occurs with Central Asian originated nomadic Turkic songs. not middle eastern.
Tengiz Türk Are you imbecile? What drum do you hear here? And where did you ever see drums in an Orthodox Church? Don't bother answering, it's rhetorical.
This example here is pretty classical, but it seems that also the hymns are related "Greek and foreign historians agree that the ecclesiastical tones and in general the whole system of Byzantine music is closely related to the ancient Greek system.[205]". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire. But as far as I know that was also influenced by the phrygian, a brother tribe of asia minor
Albanian Byzantine music and not Greek Byzantine music.
this is not turkish music
ua-cam.com/video/Oj_e9wTXMUI/v-deo.html
Aristo said Europeans are bald but dump, asians are coward but smart and we Greeks are in-between these two. some smart and some bald. almost 2000 years after a civilization cofounded by Aristo, it is strange that the descendants are still discussing are we western, no no, wait you are eastern, no no .... and son on.
perhaps just because nobody still believing to Aristo. but I do. so discourse is closed 2000 years ago
Alev Dugan Greeks are one of the smartest people groups in the world
But Aristoteles didn't found Greece
@@epicstimulus282
Not really. Lmfao! We are only verbally dumb-cunning but it's subconsciously triggered since Greeks are easily triggered and overly raging all the time.
That's originating from the Byzantine psycho-neurosis, misery and thought-slaughter especially on the later centuries. When the Hippodrome was running, times were relatively smooth.
You are not descended from ancient greeks , today majority of greek population came from asia minor ( hellenized anatolians )
this is one of my favorite Asian folk music
Southern Europe
+Geo 33 byzantine is east roman empire
+ki huu yes east roman not asian
you fucking eejit, the Sons of Mars are not asian
Sulphuric_Glue don't know what eejit is, still convinced this is asian
It's so simple. Greeks must realize that their Ottoman past is part of their heritage; just as Turks should do the same with their Byzantine past.
B.S
Turks didn't live in the Byzantine Empire
I would argue that Ottoman music is more influenced by Byzantine music and especially Persian music. Ottoman music sounds nothing like traditional central Asian music, and even the Turks in Turkmenistan and other Turkic countries are and have been Persianized since the Middle Ages
Turks were nomads that came down from the Caucasus steppes never lived in the core byzantine land, they later invaded and settled it but it was no longer "byzantine", it was lost from constantinople control after mantzikert late 11th...Welcome to the planet people please don't have opinions about things you are unaware of at least PLEASE do some resaerch. The byzantines that were extrerminated or evicted by the turcomongols are rolling in their grave!!!! Sir how on earth can we talk about "turkish" ,for things that were done before they showed up? Moreover Nomads had these instruments and knowledge running down from the steppes?
@@epicstimulus282 yes they did. They were called turcopoles. Check it out here: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turcopole
Somehow I can't unhear the "Turkiness" in it. This sounds very Anatolic. Not to be euphemistic or anything. It reminds me of vine grapes hanging from those iron bar-complex structures, extremely beautiful curly-haired jet black Turkish women (like the Hittite woman mosaic that is found in antiquity), Aspa Tsina (dunno how), red high class wine and etc..
But it's Turkish... nothing Greek or Roman comes to mind. It doesn't sound "Roman" or Greek. It sounds just... alien. And because Turkish music sounds like this that highly influenced Greek music in return it's difficult to convince myself that is Roman music.
Osmans when they conquered Constantinople they borrowed almost everything from them, from the imperialism to music and court fashion and customs. Even the ottomanist scholars admit it. ;) The music sounded like this long before turks even arrived in Anatolia.
You must be joking right? what is the "turkishness" in it? Where is the tsifteteli in it? It doesn't sound "turkish" AT ALL. IT is totally classical, totally greek and composed in greece. Turks are a mongol molded mixture of muslims of every ethnicity in the world. On their way mixed with Caucasus people, Invaded western anatolia that was the core byzantine land, inhabited by aegean islanders and south balkan related greco-thracian people forever from way before alexander the great, of hellenic orientation and spoke it as a native for thousand years. Peonians-mysians, bithynians, phrygians had already a version of it.
In wikipedia it clearly states the byzantines were evicted=FORCED OUT of phrygia. The greeks were also evacuating nicea when those eastern people were massacring them forcing them out...Come on, this is a culture you destroyed...
Eliana Ritsoni - "Tsiftetelli" is a moving folk music of Balkan Turks. Ofcourse it wouldn't sound like this music, duh. This "Byzantine" music DOES sound like Turkish classical music (Türk sanat müziği) and Sufi music/hymns (Türk tasavvuf müziği) because it was arranged by Christodoulos Halaris (born in 1946) who wrongly used Turkish, Persian and Arabic musical instruments to play Byzantine music, which is an anachronism.
Turks adopted this music
"Same goes for Greco-Byzantine (no string instruments), except that Byzantines "invented" the religious, church-like music you can hear when you search "Byzantine music"".... Well... I don't know if if you really understand what a string instrument is but this will be helpful... www.musicportal.gr/byzantine_music_popular/?lang=en
Most slavic song I ever heard
Then you are slightly confused. The influence is definetely there but the character is not as Slavic as it is Roman
THIS IS TURKISH MUSIC TURKISH TURKISH TURKKKKKK
Byzantines came before Turks. Except if u think that Turkish music is original with no previous influences from other nations and cultures :P
TURKS destroyed byzantium but... Byzantine culture is still alive. :P
No, Western Catholics destroyed Byzantium and their inner problems. Turks just ate leftovers, and in fact preserved many things of the medieval greeks.
Actually our traditions are mixed with eastern culture and balkan culture.also genetically.
Yeah I heard ones medieval ottoman music and I liked it a lot both systems of music are interconnected.