A lot of fuss over blister,wish you shot over chrony,showed dif. Pellets it likes&disliked, air.n it up, footage it shooting,how loud it was, removal of silencer . how strong or weak the gun is. But hey you did give some useful info,no one else has .so thanks.👏
I got the lemon...when sh*t doesn't operate as it's supposed to (i.e., "Loosen one side tighten the other moves it left or right"), that's an issue and that was my "troubles with it". Simple. Glad yours work/worked as designed. Wish mine did.
I had the same problem with one of those tear drop rotary mags. It ended up not cycling for me when I cocked the barrel. I thought it was defective. I ended up sending the entire rifle back because they wouldnt replace just the mags. Glad you discovered that about them. Live and learn.
The magazines are adjustable with a Phillips and a tiny Allen. A drop of silicone oil helps. Yes they can jam. You take it out and fix it. The Phillips can be done up quite tight so the screw does not loosen, it does not rotate in use. If it keeps coming loose, melt a little beeswax onto the screw (do not use thread lock cement). The inner drum does rotate, its tiny tension screw must not be too tight. The whole lot can be taken apart for cleaning, do catch the spring.
@@bluewater454 I'm surprised the gun shop did not simply fix your magazine. Very quick and easy "happy customer" job. Me, I've had the entire airgun apart in pieces, fixed some issues and put it back together properly. It works far better. Good design and parts but the SPA factory finish and fit assembly is a bit poor.
The magazines break in after about one tin or 500 shots of pellets. Good barrel scrub and cleaning before first shooting is highly recommended in my opinion.
Thanks for your review(s) on this Bandit ! For the rear sight dovetail windage you might try loosening one side, then tightening the opposite to pull the sight over gradually, then re-secure the first screw. Also, wondering why you did not insert pellets tip first through the clear side of magazine (how my Theoben Rapid and Falcon mags load).
I tried doing one screw at a time...then followed the directions on the manual. Also tried inserting pellets clear side up, which will work if you rotate the plastic cover in the correct direction. Owner's manual shows loading clear side down. Whatever works I guess.
@@ReLoadersBench Thanks for taking time to reply. I just read a download of manual and you are right, windage adjustment does not even acknowledge the right-hand screw ... That stock/grip looks like they are giving customer lots of material to carve/grind/sand to any desired profile (too bad they couldn't profile it down a bit more - then again it is what it is for the price = an apparent bargin). Couple questions: 1) Have you done any chronograph work to get idea of power curve throughout a single fill? Appears it's unregulated, so I imagine significant curve, especially considering a couple shots past green resulted barrel stuck pellet. 2) Is there any power adjustability (striker/hammer spring tension, etc.)? I am guessing that like the Diana Chaser / Artemis CP2 that the spring pressure could be increased/decreased effecting power output (increased power & less shots/fill or reduced power & more shots/fill).
Go easy with the windage screws, steel screws into plastic thread. The screws pull. So to move right, loosen left then tighten right then lock left &vv. Ideally a small pistol red dot but it is a 11mm dovetail. If you try with a Picatinny/weaver adapter the sight will be offset and you may not have enough windage adjustment. The red dot is not that much better than the iron sights, which are good enough for target work, but helpful if like me your eyesight is not what it once was.
Seriously bro... you think that much adjustment is bad? I have and $800 S& W 629 that looks the same. Yes, the adjustment procedure is a pain, but.... frankly, I don’t see me using the sights... don’t see a red dot as cheating ( neither will a squirrel). That being said, I would carve the grip to my satisfaction... my one question... how was the trigger?
I sadly have to say a bit under whelmed by that grouping. Having had the CO2 version the CP2 for a little while now, it can produce five shots in three holes at 10m, with the right pellet. The PCP is going to shoot 22 better than 177, and the CO2 shoot 177 better than 22. But they do have a preference for pellets. These airguns have good components but seem to be let down by the factory assembly. I would strip it down, fettle it and reassemble it properly. Especially check inside the action tube where the hammer rides for burrs, and smooth them off. The hammer must slide smoothly to deliver the same strike force each time. Both PCP and CO2 seem to produce best grouping it the power is reduced so provide best regulation. CO2 can be made to self-regulate, for the CP2 that is a valve that releases less gas more quickly. I don't know how many shots you get from each Bandit fill but with a little fettling the CO2 CP2 as 177 pistol can produce some 55 well regulated shots about 490fps and a total of over 75 above 400fps (which will plink).
@@TheCellCreator it is often observed that a PCP is able to shoot more 22 pellets than its 177 version. The opposite being true for CO2. The 177 pellet will fly faster and flatter. And yet there is a maximum velocity for a given pellet. For a CO2 or PCP target pistol such as this, going above 500fps in 177 and the pellets start to scatter like a pack of beagles. For 22 my physics guesstimate for the magic 500fps becomes 450fps or less, probably 400-420fps. I reckon it is an imparted energy , aim for about 4.6fpe from a pistol for best grouping. Boosting for more power is counter productive, the excess gas knocks the pellets sideways. A good moderator or muzzle brake helps. I say moderator because silencing is not its main job. The reasons why are buried in gas laws and the rate at which gas is released into the barrel - CO2 vapour pressure is nominal 850psi but PCP (depends on regulator) is filled to 200-300 Bar ~3500psi and hence very much higher pressure. CO2 gives a big squirt at low pressure, PCP a small squirt at high pressure. Obviously the volume of a 22 barrel is greater than 177, so it can use more gas. The 22 will carry more momentum [kg m/s] which may be better for hunting but this is a target pistol and a pistol is practically useless for hunting. Most competitions limit the pistol to 177, so if this pistol is for practise we want the 177.
@@TheCellCreator I am in the process of ordering a 177 Diana Chaser CO2 pistol to convert into the CP2 rifle as I have already converted my CP2 into a target pistol with the Zasdar CP1wooden grip - I have the long barrel and carbine stock left over. In summer I can get 80 or more self regulated shots out of a CO2 capsule. Which is more than the PCP versions of this airgun can manage from a fill, CO2 capsules are cheap. I cannot operate a stirrup pump and no room for a high pressure compressor, so it would mean a scuba tank and associated paraphernalia, and filling more often than I do now.
240 pounds in the UK, think your self lucky. I wear a size 12 glove so was looking for a pistol with a chunky handle and this pistol suits large hands. Just put 200 through mine and no blister. Oh and a little tip , this gun loves jsb Stratton pellets, purchase a tin and have a go. On a 180 fill I get 20 shots in the same hole, But I am in the UK and have to keep my gun under 600 for. But under 600 it is a proper beast. Nice vid btw. Oh and I have the pp800 version of this.
Another viewer was extolling the virtues of the rear sight adjustability as my .02 is it's a cheapie component...with the entire Bandit costing ~$180 or so, I've paid more than that for a good set of sights, so it's my opinion still the rear sight is junk. That being said, I just manually compensate for the sight's shortcomings.
Joe Palermo ... depends what you’re looking for , too... if you’re a hunter, it’s a great deal, as it produces enough power... honestly, if you want to just punch paper, I would get something for a few more dollars, and less power
Mine is superb, off the bench it's down the same hole at 8 yards . I put a cheap scope on mine and bear in mind mine was over 300 dollars I love it. The pp800 is £240.00 in the UK and the Diana is a copy of the pp
I thought it looked good in the PyramydAir catalog, but the video turned me off; thank you for saving me the money on a purchase I would wind up sending back.
Wow…a blister from shooting a air pistol.😎
I know, such a dangerous weapon. Have to be SO dilligent!
@@ReLoadersBench
I was being sarcastic. I can see it happening and hopefully will not have to sand my grips down when the pistol arrives this weekend.
I may need a pair of good shooting gloves as I would hate to have to explain a blister at work in that area.🤣
@@johnnybbgunner2136 - So was I.
You wind the front back then load the first pellet skirt first from the back then load the rest from the front.
Correct! I'm not having any issues with the magazine, used this way
A lot of fuss over blister,wish you shot over chrony,showed dif. Pellets it likes&disliked, air.n it up, footage it shooting,how loud it was, removal of silencer . how strong or weak the gun is. But hey you did give some useful info,no one else has .so thanks.👏
The pressure gauge says x10 so the max fill would be 200 bar rather than 20 bar.
Ok never mind
I've had sights like that not to difficult. Loosen one side tighten the other moves it left or right. I don't get your troubles with it??
I got the lemon...when sh*t doesn't operate as it's supposed to (i.e., "Loosen one side tighten the other moves it left or right"), that's an issue and that was my "troubles with it". Simple. Glad yours work/worked as designed. Wish mine did.
Rear sight delete is the first thing I did and added a red dot.
I had the same problem with one of those tear drop rotary mags. It ended up not cycling for me when I cocked the barrel. I thought it was defective. I ended up sending the entire rifle back because they wouldnt replace just the mags. Glad you discovered that about them. Live and learn.
The magazines are adjustable with a Phillips and a tiny Allen. A drop of silicone oil helps.
Yes they can jam. You take it out and fix it.
The Phillips can be done up quite tight so the screw does not loosen, it does not rotate in use. If it keeps coming loose, melt a little beeswax onto the screw (do not use thread lock cement). The inner drum does rotate, its tiny tension screw must not be too tight. The whole lot can be taken apart for cleaning, do catch the spring.
@@jeffslade1892 That is great advice. If pyramid had told me that three years ago they wouldn’t have lost a sale. Too late now.
@@bluewater454 I'm surprised the gun shop did not simply fix your magazine. Very quick and easy "happy customer" job.
Me, I've had the entire airgun apart in pieces, fixed some issues and put it back together properly. It works far better. Good design and parts but the SPA factory finish and fit assembly is a bit poor.
The magazines break in after about one tin or 500 shots of pellets.
Good barrel scrub and cleaning before first shooting is highly recommended in my opinion.
Thanks for your review(s) on this Bandit !
For the rear sight dovetail windage you might try loosening one side, then tightening the opposite to pull the sight over gradually, then re-secure the first screw. Also, wondering why you did not insert pellets tip first through the clear side of magazine (how my Theoben Rapid and Falcon mags load).
I tried doing one screw at a time...then followed the directions on the manual. Also tried inserting pellets clear side up, which will work if you rotate the plastic cover in the correct direction. Owner's manual shows loading clear side down. Whatever works I guess.
@@ReLoadersBench Thanks for taking time to reply. I just read a download of manual and you are right, windage adjustment does not even acknowledge the right-hand screw ... That stock/grip looks like they are giving customer lots of material to carve/grind/sand to any desired profile (too bad they couldn't profile it down a bit more - then again it is what it is for the price = an apparent bargin).
Couple questions:
1) Have you done any chronograph work to get idea of power curve throughout a single fill? Appears it's unregulated, so I imagine significant curve, especially considering a couple shots past green resulted barrel stuck pellet.
2) Is there any power adjustability (striker/hammer spring tension, etc.)? I am guessing that like the Diana Chaser / Artemis CP2 that the spring pressure could be increased/decreased effecting power output (increased power & less shots/fill or reduced power & more shots/fill).
Go easy with the windage screws, steel screws into plastic thread.
The screws pull. So to move right, loosen left then tighten right then lock left &vv.
Ideally a small pistol red dot but it is a 11mm dovetail. If you try with a Picatinny/weaver adapter the sight will be offset and you may not have enough windage adjustment. The red dot is not that much better than the iron sights, which are good enough for target work, but helpful if like me your eyesight is not what it once was.
Seriously bro... you think that much adjustment is bad? I have and $800 S& W 629 that looks the same. Yes, the adjustment procedure is a pain, but.... frankly, I don’t see me using the sights... don’t see a red dot as cheating ( neither will a squirrel). That being said, I would carve the grip to my satisfaction... my one question... how was the trigger?
I sadly have to say a bit under whelmed by that grouping. Having had the CO2 version the CP2 for a little while now, it can produce five shots in three holes at 10m, with the right pellet. The PCP is going to shoot 22 better than 177, and the CO2 shoot 177 better than 22. But they do have a preference for pellets.
These airguns have good components but seem to be let down by the factory assembly. I would strip it down, fettle it and reassemble it properly. Especially check inside the action tube where the hammer rides for burrs, and smooth them off.
The hammer must slide smoothly to deliver the same strike force each time. Both PCP and CO2 seem to produce best grouping it the power is reduced so provide best regulation. CO2 can be made to self-regulate, for the CP2 that is a valve that releases less gas more quickly.
I don't know how many shots you get from each Bandit fill but with a little fettling the CO2 CP2 as 177 pistol can produce some 55 well regulated shots about 490fps and a total of over 75 above 400fps (which will plink).
@@TheCellCreator it is often observed that a PCP is able to shoot more 22 pellets than its 177 version. The opposite being true for CO2. The 177 pellet will fly faster and flatter. And yet there is a maximum velocity for a given pellet. For a CO2 or PCP target pistol such as this, going above 500fps in 177 and the pellets start to scatter like a pack of beagles.
For 22 my physics guesstimate for the magic 500fps becomes 450fps or less, probably 400-420fps. I reckon it is an imparted energy , aim for about 4.6fpe from a pistol for best grouping. Boosting for more power is counter productive, the excess gas knocks the pellets sideways. A good moderator or muzzle brake helps. I say moderator because silencing is not its main job.
The reasons why are buried in gas laws and the rate at which gas is released into the barrel - CO2 vapour pressure is nominal 850psi but PCP (depends on regulator) is filled to 200-300 Bar ~3500psi and hence very much higher pressure. CO2 gives a big squirt at low pressure, PCP a small squirt at high pressure. Obviously the volume of a 22 barrel is greater than 177, so it can use more gas.
The 22 will carry more momentum [kg m/s] which may be better for hunting but this is a target pistol and a pistol is practically useless for hunting. Most competitions limit the pistol to 177, so if this pistol is for practise we want the 177.
@@TheCellCreator I am in the process of ordering a 177 Diana Chaser CO2 pistol to convert into the CP2 rifle as I have already converted my CP2 into a target pistol with the Zasdar CP1wooden grip - I have the long barrel and carbine stock left over. In summer I can get 80 or more self regulated shots out of a CO2 capsule. Which is more than the PCP versions of this airgun can manage from a fill, CO2 capsules are cheap. I cannot operate a stirrup pump and no room for a high pressure compressor, so it would mean a scuba tank and associated paraphernalia, and filling more often than I do now.
240 pounds in the UK, think your self lucky.
I wear a size 12 glove so was looking for a pistol with a chunky handle and this pistol suits large hands.
Just put 200 through mine and no blister.
Oh and a little tip , this gun loves jsb Stratton pellets, purchase a tin and have a go.
On a 180 fill I get 20 shots in the same hole,
But I am in the UK and have to keep my gun under 600 for.
But under 600 it is a proper beast.
Nice vid btw.
Oh and I have the pp800 version of this.
I had to go to a scope due to the pistol shooting too low. I ran out of site adjustment before I could get the pellets elevated,
Mine consistently shoots high with sight adjusted to the max. Suggestions?
Another viewer was extolling the virtues of the rear sight adjustability as my .02 is it's a cheapie component...with the entire Bandit costing ~$180 or so, I've paid more than that for a good set of sights, so it's my opinion still the rear sight is junk. That being said, I just manually compensate for the sight's shortcomings.
You add the first pellet from back in last slot n it holds the spring
Thanks.
The holes in your paper look smaller than BB's ??
and that what a light weight (
I’m thinking about purchasing one, is it recommendable ?
It's worth the $180 and with that said, you're getting what you paid for. Fun plinker, nothing more. Great for youngsters IMO.
Joe Palermo ... depends what you’re looking for , too... if you’re a hunter, it’s a great deal, as it produces enough power... honestly, if you want to just punch paper, I would get something for a few more dollars, and less power
Mine is superb, off the bench it's down the same hole at 8 yards .
I put a cheap scope on mine and bear in mind mine was over 300 dollars I love it.
The pp800 is £240.00 in the UK and the Diana is a copy of the pp
I thought it looked good in the PyramydAir catalog, but the video turned me off; thank you for saving me the money on a purchase I would wind up sending back.
Can the hammerspring be adjusted to get more (or less) fpe?
Harold Andeweg hi did you ever find out ?
Yes it can.
What fp is that shooting at ?
The Airbug CO2 version is cheaper, more accurate and better handling.
That is our CP1, it lacks the dual stage trigger of the CP2. Its wooden grip can be fitted to the CP2 with a little chisel work.
Put a 3-9X40 on it :D