I think it was user error. Your thumb kept the blade from fully penetrating on that slashing cut. The thumb is placed on that ramp only for push cuts when the blade is already placed on the medium to be cut. With a slashing cut the thumb should be kept back, and not be placed on that ramp, as this will impede the blade fully going in.
Just a heads up, self defense is different from self offense. The Yojimbo2 is designed for self defense, I carry it because I'm to old and cool to run. I could hold off 4 or 5 unarmed attackers for maybe 30 seconds before they could overpower and outnumber me. I'd only use it to keep everyone back or make enough space to get to my truck (and lead reinforcements). I tried the yoJUMBO but it wasn't as concealable as the smaller Yojimbo 2 and it felt awkward in hand. That is my take on it, I use to train defensive tactics for my police department in the 00s but I'm old and decrepit now so in actual use knives are mostly a confidence boost more than anything else but knowing it is there is a good thing with the way the world is changing.
I agree with one of the viewers about the angle of the strike from the Yojimbo. As the yojimbo was coming down the tip was pointed upwards around a 45 degree angle versus 180 degrees or parallel to the meat. With that specific type of strike a blade with belly, curve or a hawkbill/karambit would be more effective. The great thing about this test show that even though a wharnie is known as a slicer and push as a self defense design. It does have an issue if the user strikes with the tip pointed at an upwards angle it wouldn't be as effective in the initial cut but as the blade comes down and the tip becomes more parallel the cut gets deeper from what I see when cutting the meat. The wharnie effectiveness as a slicer shines if the blade can make a cut coming straight up and down with the tip point parallel with whatever object. It loses it's effectiveness when it trying to cut an object where the tip isn't parallel with the object. It's a good test and shows how blade design changes the cutting performance.
Good eye, I didn't even notice that, but I'm kinda confused as to what this test is supposed to prove? A hawkbilled 5 inch serrated recurved blade should obviously cut deeper than a 3 inch warncliff blade, but what does that prove? I have a 40 inch wall hanger broad sword that would penetrate much deeper into the meat, but so what, it keeps getting stuck in the car door so I had to stop carrying it. I got a severe cut on my forearm when I was younger and it was less than an inch deep but the amount of blood that poured out would end any fight, so what would be the benefit of making the hole 3 times deeper? For example, if you look at the damage caused by the worst knife ever tested in this way, take that damage and picture it on a human forearm or worse a human head. If you do that same damage on a human and it doesn't end or at least drastically change the momentum of the fight, then you have a much bigger problem because you are fighting a zombie or Chuck Norris and you should rethink your life choices.
@@Old_School69 I think it's supposed to test to see if it provided any benefit to a standard pocket knife, and how it compared to another self defense knife that had previously done very good on the test. Why sacrifice the utility of a normal pocket knife for a self defense knife if it's going to perform worse in self defense?
I tell you everyone is so scared of using. That yojimbo because of the thin tip, no one else on UA-cam would cut anything with it. Thanks for the video.
For a distance slash, this knife is really meant to be held in a hammer grip. The Filipino grip is for push/draw cuts when the blade is already pressed against the person. The knives like the Black Talon, Matriarch, etc. are scary cutters. However Janich’s criticism of them is that they get stuck on things due to their shape. IRL you are not fighting a giant block of meat but a being with bones, clothes, etc. These hawkbill knives also sacrifice piercing ability bigtime, which is arguably more important than slashing ability when you are talking about a small knife.
That's right, I just bought martiarch 2, did a test, it cuts well, but it got stuck in the cloth I used to test the meat few times... guess I can only slash and can't stab or cut normally like knives with other shapes
First of all, great test guys! Personally for "my" tactical needs... In the words of Lynn Thompson himself, you can't beat a serrated edge! It's mainly what I like to carry...
Very interesting. I also love hawkbill or revers s knives if I want to carry something with self defense in mind like the black talon knives of Cold Steel, or the civilian/harpy from Spyderco
Like your vids, guys. Not the mighty Yo? I'm sure you may do a redo. Maybe emphasis hitting with the tip first? Seems like you hit with the heal parallel to the meat with a belly less blade, initially. Just a guess from watching. The tip bit in the lower portion of the meat? It seemed a little larger toward the bottom. Great job still! I personally have no skin in the game, just enjoy your work. An Emerson Seax would be a great test as well......if you ever get your hands on one.
So the yojimbo is meant for quick slices but not quite depth. Clean cuts fs but nothing meant to be extremely lethal like the black talon which is designed for deadly deep cuts
The Yojimbo is GREAT for what it is designed for BUT if you are not familiar with Silat or Kali you will not get the best results from it, these are high technical training systems that require a significant time investment but in the hands of that well trained individual short knife self defense is DEVASTATING!
Plain edge vs full Serrated 🤔 hmm which would be better at slicing like you shown…. Edit: Show other strikes at say waist height, i betcha the Jimbo will shine…
Ive always thought the yojimbo was all hype. Looks like it would make a great box slayer but if my knife is doing double duty as utility and self defense i want a 4 inch blade and if i have something sub 4 inches i want it fully serrated. Just my 2 cents.
I had different results than you did, not sure why🤷. I kinda wish I still had my Yojimbo 2 to do another test maybe it's a good excuse to buy another one lol. Of course they're $20 more nowadays 🤷.
Seems to me that with a thumb so far forward on the spine, it has to limit penetration with such a short blade. The goop on the blade after the first slash appears to follow a 45 degree angle from the thumb tip as seen at 2:18. I suspect if the thumb wasn't along the spine, the entire blade would have penetrated deeper and made a more perpendicular slashing trajectory instead of the shallow, tip up angle captured here.
Cold steel Black talon 2 is a nasty piece of hardware. It's also significantly cheaper and in my opinion better made than the spiderco civilian, with the added advantage of an Emerson wave opener.
From what I've read and understood, the wharncliffe blade is the most effective and efficient "thrusting" or "stabbing" blade shape. It's not the most efficient "slicer".
I did my own coonass science test yesterday with a Pacific Salt 2, an Emerson Kershaw spearpoint and a Spyderco Barong against serious pork spare ribs wrapped in six layers of Saran wrap. The Pacific Salt did the best with a very good slice and stab, the Emerson Kershaw was mediocre- it had an okay slice and a good stab and the Spyderco Barong had a great stab and an okay slice. Previous to that I attacked a refrigerated chicken with three layers of Saran wrap. The above knives were mediocre but I had them sharpened on the Spyderco system at a 30 degree angle. For the spare ribs I changed the sharpening angle to 40 degrees. I also tested Perrin's Le Fruit and Shorty and I was beyond impressed with the stabbing and slicing capabilities of those small hideout knives. I also tested a Shivworks Clinch Pik China version and was way less than impressed with the stabbing and slicing capabilities. However next chicken I will be sure to wrap it in six layers of Saran wrap and sharpen the clinch pick at 40°. Hopefully by then my buddy in Oklahoma will have shipped my Yojimbo 2 and my Ronin 2 to me so I can include that in the test as well. My hypothesis is that the saber grind gives the best of extra weight and momentum and the blade shape favors the ergonomics of a snap cut while the high thin grind from the edge provides good slicing capability. One question: is your brother's Pacific salt plain edge or serrated edge? Thanks for the effort to make the video.
I think it was user error. Your thumb kept the blade from fully penetrating on that slashing cut. The thumb is placed on that ramp only for push cuts when the blade is already placed on the medium to be cut. With a slashing cut the thumb should be kept back, and not be placed on that ramp, as this will impede the blade fully going in.
Just a heads up, self defense is different from self offense. The Yojimbo2 is designed for self defense, I carry it because I'm to old and cool to run. I could hold off 4 or 5 unarmed attackers for maybe 30 seconds before they could overpower and outnumber me. I'd only use it to keep everyone back or make enough space to get to my truck (and lead reinforcements). I tried the yoJUMBO but it wasn't as concealable as the smaller Yojimbo 2 and it felt awkward in hand. That is my take on it, I use to train defensive tactics for my police department in the 00s but I'm old and decrepit now so in actual use knives are mostly a confidence boost more than anything else but knowing it is there is a good thing with the way the world is changing.
Sure bud 😂
Love this series, you guys rock!
I agree with one of the viewers about the angle of the strike from the Yojimbo. As the yojimbo was coming down the tip was pointed upwards around a 45 degree angle versus 180 degrees or parallel to the meat. With that specific type of strike a blade with belly, curve or a hawkbill/karambit would be more effective. The great thing about this test show that even though a wharnie is known as a slicer and push as a self defense design. It does have an issue if the user strikes with the tip pointed at an upwards angle it wouldn't be as effective in the initial cut but as the blade comes down and the tip becomes more parallel the cut gets deeper from what I see when cutting the meat. The wharnie effectiveness as a slicer shines if the blade can make a cut coming straight up and down with the tip point parallel with whatever object. It loses it's effectiveness when it trying to cut an object where the tip isn't parallel with the object. It's a good test and shows how blade design changes the cutting performance.
Good eye, I didn't even notice that, but I'm kinda confused as to what this test is supposed to prove? A hawkbilled 5 inch serrated recurved blade should obviously cut deeper than a 3 inch warncliff blade, but what does that prove? I have a 40 inch wall hanger broad sword that would penetrate much deeper into the meat, but so what, it keeps getting stuck in the car door so I had to stop carrying it. I got a severe cut on my forearm when I was younger and it was less than an inch deep but the amount of blood that poured out would end any fight, so what would be the benefit of making the hole 3 times deeper? For example, if you look at the damage caused by the worst knife ever tested in this way, take that damage and picture it on a human forearm or worse a human head. If you do that same damage on a human and it doesn't end or at least drastically change the momentum of the fight, then you have a much bigger problem because you are fighting a zombie or Chuck Norris and you should rethink your life choices.
@@Old_School69 I think it's supposed to test to see if it provided any benefit to a standard pocket knife, and how it compared to another self defense knife that had previously done very good on the test. Why sacrifice the utility of a normal pocket knife for a self defense knife if it's going to perform worse in self defense?
I tell you everyone is so scared of using. That yojimbo because of the thin tip, no one else on UA-cam would cut anything with it. Thanks for the video.
For a distance slash, this knife is really meant to be held in a hammer grip. The Filipino grip is for push/draw cuts when the blade is already pressed against the person.
The knives like the Black Talon, Matriarch, etc. are scary cutters. However Janich’s criticism of them is that they get stuck on things due to their shape. IRL you are not fighting a giant block of meat but a being with bones, clothes, etc. These hawkbill knives also sacrifice piercing ability bigtime, which is arguably more important than slashing ability when you are talking about a small knife.
That's right, I just bought martiarch 2, did a test, it cuts well, but it got stuck in the cloth I used to test the meat few times...
guess I can only slash and can't stab or cut normally like knives with other shapes
Wrist angle makes a huge difference, especially when comparing knives with such different cutting blade angles.
First of all, great test guys! Personally for "my" tactical needs... In the words of Lynn Thompson himself, you can't beat a serrated edge! It's mainly what I like to carry...
Very interesting. I also love hawkbill or revers s knives if I want to carry something with self defense in mind like the black talon knives of Cold Steel, or the civilian/harpy from Spyderco
Great review brother I carry a civilian and matriarch can't go wrong and they are the most unforgiving blades
The Yojumbo is disappointed in you. It's an amazing knife
Like your vids, guys. Not the mighty Yo? I'm sure you may do a redo. Maybe emphasis hitting with the tip first? Seems like you hit with the heal parallel to the meat with a belly less blade, initially. Just a guess from watching. The tip bit in the lower portion of the meat? It seemed a little larger toward the bottom. Great job still! I personally have no skin in the game, just enjoy your work. An Emerson Seax would be a great test as well......if you ever get your hands on one.
Best videos thank you
So the yojimbo is meant for quick slices but not quite depth. Clean cuts fs but nothing meant to be extremely lethal like the black talon which is designed for deadly deep cuts
“I definitely don’t want to get cut with that” - pretty much all you need to know!
Personally I carry a small simple tanto & a Esapda XL, a 4000lm flashlight and a 22. appendix carry if I need it so make what of that
Have you changed your edc any since you commented?
The Yojimbo is GREAT for what it is designed for BUT if you are not familiar with Silat or Kali you will not get the best results from it, these are high technical training systems that require a significant time investment but in the hands of that well trained individual short knife self defense is DEVASTATING!
Plain edge vs full Serrated 🤔 hmm which would be better at slicing like you shown….
Edit: Show other strikes at say waist height, i betcha the Jimbo will shine…
Ive always thought the yojimbo was all hype. Looks like it would make a great box slayer but if my knife is doing double duty as utility and self defense i want a 4 inch blade and if i have something sub 4 inches i want it fully serrated. Just my 2 cents.
I had different results than you did, not sure why🤷.
I kinda wish I still had my Yojimbo 2 to do another test maybe it's a good excuse to buy another one lol.
Of course they're $20 more nowadays 🤷.
Seems to me that with a thumb so far forward on the spine, it has to limit penetration with such a short blade. The goop on the blade after the first slash appears to follow a 45 degree angle from the thumb tip as seen at 2:18. I suspect if the thumb wasn't along the spine, the entire blade would have penetrated deeper and made a more perpendicular slashing trajectory instead of the shallow, tip up angle captured here.
Maybe you could look at the bigger brother YOJIUMBO
Cold steel Black talon 2 is a nasty piece of hardware. It's also significantly cheaper and in my opinion better made than the spiderco civilian, with the added advantage of an Emerson wave opener.
its great for chopping coke, lets see black talon do that !
Not to mention the yojimbo’s tip will snap off on anything harder than meat, thanks for the informative video. :)
I still rather have this than the cold steel with it’s weird but effective blade! Knife!🔪🤯🔫
Nogales blade style gaucho,voyagers can cut and stab equally well,in my opinion way better than this boxcutter like spyderco
так нож для того и сделан чтобы наносить нелетальные раны так что ничего удивительного в тесте нет, главное повторяемость и стабильность реза
From what I've read and understood, the wharncliffe blade is the most effective and efficient "thrusting" or "stabbing" blade shape. It's not the most efficient "slicer".
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Get the real deal the Yojumbo
Yojimbo is an overhyped overpriced of joke
I tested the yojumbo in a video. It went well!
I did my own coonass science test yesterday with a Pacific Salt 2, an Emerson Kershaw spearpoint and a Spyderco Barong against serious pork spare ribs wrapped in six layers of Saran wrap.
The Pacific Salt did the best with a very good slice and stab, the Emerson Kershaw was mediocre- it had an okay slice and a good stab and the Spyderco Barong had a great stab and an okay slice.
Previous to that I attacked a refrigerated chicken with three layers of Saran wrap. The above knives were mediocre but I had them sharpened on the Spyderco system at a 30 degree angle. For the spare ribs I changed the sharpening angle to 40 degrees.
I also tested Perrin's Le Fruit and Shorty and I was beyond impressed with the stabbing and slicing capabilities of those small hideout knives.
I also tested a Shivworks Clinch Pik China version and was way less than impressed with the stabbing and slicing capabilities.
However next chicken I will be sure to wrap it in six layers of Saran wrap and sharpen the clinch pick at 40°. Hopefully by then my buddy in Oklahoma will have shipped my Yojimbo 2 and my Ronin 2 to me so I can include that in the test as well.
My hypothesis is that the saber grind gives the best of extra weight and momentum and the blade shape favors the ergonomics of a snap cut while the high thin grind from the edge provides good slicing capability.
One question: is your brother's Pacific salt plain edge or serrated edge?
Thanks for the effort to make the video.
He has a H-1 serrated Pacific Salt. I have a plain edge lc200n Pacific Salt.