2) Roger Hallam, "So who decides how to decide?" - European Arguments 2/4 | Extinction Rebellion
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- Is centralization or decentralization an either or choice? In this the 2nd installment of his 4 part "European Arguments" series, Roger shares his views on the organizational model XR is running with and how it came about.
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A description of Open-source theory. A structural framework, a rule set and most importantly a defined goal. Within this system of complete transparency, organisation becomes invisible and the project can grow... often in directions and with solutions no one person could possibly predict. I think XR is headed in the right direction. Good luck folks!
No, this rubbish will go nowhere. All mumbo jumbo no real solutions.
I love how there are no cuts in that series of his. Makes him and his arguments seem even more "authentic".
TY for excellent captions. Roger's accent is a challenge for some. And every word is important: his explications are enjoyably concise and move fast.
Stay Focused,Stay Agile And Stay Effective!!!
GOOD to hear grounded talk.
Roger if you take rich man money just make sure it comes with no strings attached. That is how our politics has been corrupted. And “attached strings” can come in many forms including that the financial contributor should be consulted with before decisions are made. That consultation can be a ploy to steer ER off course or sow doubt or buy time or divide the movement into factions and eventually render it powerless.
@Donald McCarthy you're such an insufferable snob. Piss off
At the moment just researching this man Roger Hallam. I like to say as the new CLIMATE CHANGE superhero ( MR RECYCLE) Facebook , I wound be honored to meet a caring and well spoken man
Legend
You are our Ghandi, our Churchill. Thanks for stepping up! Are there plans to set up a branch in USA, India, China?
Simply Human - and Dr Gail Bradbrook is our Timothy Leary! Aciiiiiiid!
@Rick Kaye wow so relevant
Dreamer Music's Stuff - it’s relevant because Dr Bradbrook is promoting psychedelics on this Chanel and it will damage XRs ability to gain a broad base of support. It should be removed from the site.
@@bdjshwbwhdhh1991 way to be divided, conquered. rrOWr!
el oh el
All good man
Best of luck!
Mandates sounds like it isn't giving them full autonomy. Set the principles and tell the groups they're fledged.
( If one group does go off the rails let other groups intervene and help.)
Ps. I'm not an org guy.
Constructioneerful, without mandates no-one knows how their contribution supports the overall goal: to save our planet from environmental collapse. Full autonomy would lead to groups or individuals working in isolation; if they're operating in isolation it means there's no common direction; in turn, that dilutes the impact of the movement as a whole.
Already, since separate the initiatives of XR and Greta Thunberg's school striking, they are coordinating their efforts around the common goal: to save our planet. Also since these initiatives, are the environmental events of the past twelve months which have demonstrated the unpredictability of scientists' predictions: the Greenland ice cap melt is now four times the rate of last year's predictions; the forest fires in the high arctic and in the Amazon have outstripped expectations. The twelve-year window for turning complete environmental collapse around may have shrunk dramatically - already, in less than twelve months. Mandates, coupled with the training and long-term accountability implied by them, offer the most secure route to everyone pulling in the same general direction to save Planet Earth.
Who gets to decide ? WE DO of course, if we live in a democracy.
It is like parenting. Parents initially decide everything but when the children are capable they become independent.
and repeat the ideology there parents fed them, often without independent thought. let's hope this doesn't become a top-down organisation.
Traducción de los vídeos por favor! Gracias por todo!
Yes!
This is it. This is the flowering of humanity. The fruit of our existence disappears into infinity from which it has appeared.
How many before us? How many after us? It is limitless.
Acceptance and release with each breath. Patience and forgiveness with all.
...and the band played on...
There is then a relationship between centralization and effectiveness is what i am hearing in this. You can be an ardent environmentalist, but if you are also orthodox about decentralization, there will be no effective positive change to avoid a catastrophic environmental disaster. The take away then is this: Decentralization must never become an orthodoxy. A tenant of decentralization (or anarchy) is that any power structure or hierarchy must justify itself or it must be dismantled. If avoiding a catastrophic environmental disaster requires some hierarchies or power structures, then certainly they are justified and they must be, not only permitted, but encouraged, supported, and nurtured with the greatest level of efficiency possible.
It is possible to build effectiveness into the structure of an organization, thus avoiding centralization. Then you don't need to "justify" anything.
You're obviously one of the people at the center. Get some people hired into regional groups. Set up websites or reddit pages where the best ideas can bubble up to the top. Find the people that regularly have good ideas - then make those people head the 'nodes' (certified thought leaders) and have the nodes hold votes to make sure the greatest number of people are on board.
Logan - you need to get into ayahuasca mate and stop talking so much sense.
@@bdjshwbwhdhh1991 this is adult talk. Go back to your gaming, kid
It’s about creating a debate. Let’s step back from enjoying and understanding the metaphysical concepts of a group deciding on the tyranny of their decisions within Extinction Rebellion. Let’s just try and understand that getting the job done in the long run is all about educating and helping people have less children in the future ie less births because the underlying problem causing all the environmental issues is our growth in numbers as a species. This is to say that I don’t disagree with what is being said here in part two, it’s just what’s the point if you’re not stating the obvious of what really needs to be done. Or is it because a debate on reducing the world’s population even for Extinction Rebellion is too taboo?
It is not all about population. It is also about how food and materials are obtained, and how much people consume.
A good edit could halve it length. Saying it twice is fine . After that ?
Start a online platform and let each citizen vote with full visibility. If 50+ % vote for an option it then becomes so or law...easy!
what a terrifyingly stupid idea.
@@greenmurphy Yes you're probably right, better we stick to the narcissistic pedophiles to make all the clever decision ehh!
"vote for an option" - better have those options clearly defined
Look what happened in the UK with the EU referendum
@@farmergiles6142 Don't think you're grasping my concept. What you're talking about is just what happens in this current sham of a system. We replace government and political puppets with the citizens. Every decision, every law, every thing is literally decided by a show of hands. Like if 10 people where on an island, they would'nt elect 1 person to choose for them, they would vote each time for every decision. Since the age of Quantum computers this has been an option but the elites want control so they have installed a corrupt and polluted system that will be the inevitable collapse of humanity.
Translation. He leads and he wants your money. Same old same old.
Thunder Bay
Translation help: 2:47 What is Roger saying? People in ______, people in Brasil. Carrara? That's city in Italy, what is so special about it?
Kerela, it's a state in India 😊
Voluntary, humane death must be made available to whoever wants it. It will relieve the pressure
FREE ROGER HALLAM.
So I take it you'll be writing the mandates with gang?
yes he will - and rightly so - because responsibility needs to be taken and he is capable of doing so.
The Thunbergs are "GO"!
people are at panic stations.... please find new sayings.... you used the old or usual ones too often
srsly?
I know what you mean mate, tell the democratic socialists this, they seemed to have a hell of a lot of confusion at their conference last month.
Point of priviledge...point of priviledge...lol
Hi Roger Hallam can you look me up on Facebook as MR RECYCLE I need you expertise on centralization analyst as you say this is a climate catastrophe i will explain more on this site.soon still looking at your work. cheers to your good work, bye the way.
He's not aware of blockchain technology. It's capable of decentralized voting. It should satisfy at least some of the centralization issues he speaks about.
Who decides which issues will be put to the vote? What flavour of blockchain should be used to collect the votes? This video is exactly about the decision-making powers and processes required to set the agenda, rules and processes. The ‘how’ comes after the ‘why’ and ‘what’. Who decides the ‘why’ and ‘what’? That’s what he is speaking about here. After that’s been decided, by whoever, blockchain should certainly be considered as a transparent, auditable technology for collecting the votes. If it can be scaled to meet the demand. But it will also require rules and processes about how to ensure people can only vote once (if that’s what’s decided), ensure free and fair access by all to the voting mechanisms etc. And who decides those rules and processes? And who will watch the watchers? No easy answers, hence this video :-)