I made these comments on the other version of this same performance on UA-cam (in poorer sound) where other listeners were less enthusiastic than here: Having read some of the excoriating comments below I'd like to offer a different opinion. I'm reminded of how slowly Richter played the first movements of Schubert's sonatas D840, 894 and 960. When asked who he played for Richter said, 'I play for myself' and then added that if others derived pleasure from it then all to the good. Pogorelich's playing reminds me of the Liszt specialist Ervin Nyiregyházi (e.g. his truly transcendental conception of the Two Legends). You could say this performance is Wagnerian in scope and length, but mostly it reminds me of Messiaen. It sounds like a sonata 'for the end of time'. I don't actually find the performance self-indulgent (the fast sections are still fast and I don't detect any sentimentality in the very slow slow sections). Pogorelich somehow holds the structure together, just as Richter did in Schubert. The whole point of listening to different interpretations is to learn new insights into a piece. How refreshing not to hear a performance which is identical to a pianist's recordings - the typical Pollini sausage-machine approach. It's a moment in time that cannot be repeated, and I have never heard Pogorelich play any piece the same way twice. Surely that's a good thing in this over-mechanised age?
What's wrong with sentimentality. Hopefully that's everything I may be lucky to feel from any interpretation ! I mean, if it's not mechanical it must be sentimental. I don't see what's so different about your opinion. It carries a rather personal taste, like mine does, like everyone else's does... like the pianist himself does and they don't change what we just heard. It really is a moment in time that can't be repeated ! What if Pogorelich somehow didn't hold the structure together ? Who says if it's self-indulgent ? If it is, what happens ? Is it wrong ? Is it not worth listening to ? How much alteration the score can bare until it becomes a bad interpretation ? I really can't say. I'm no musical expert. In the end it's just opinion... I heard somewhere that if we look to closely it becomes pornography, if we distance ourselves to much it becomes criticism... I don't remember what's in between...
Realize that a Steinway holds tones much better than a Pleyel from other days.A historical notation is that Chopin took a rather slow speed in his onstage performances.The organiser asked him to be more speedy for time reasons and to keep the audience awake.He accepted without protesting.Remain that the intended speed, especially in some nocturnes from then must have been rather slow.Astonishment for the speed of Ivo abates from knowing this all.
i know, i will be repeating myself, but i keep listening to the liszt b minor, over and over again.... each time i hear something new.... and yet... just unreal. it is like looking into the future.... but from the past.
"Under the fingers of Chopin´s hand the piano became the voice of an archangel, an orchestra, an army, a raging ocean, a creation of the universe, the end of the world." Solange Clesinger
Just happened on this via YT algorithm. I must thank you for this upload. I recommend others to listen with their eye wide shut as it is a lovely performance. Hartelijk bedankt. Michael
when u hear b minor this slow the personality of Liszt seems like da legend poet and devil but like church music there is something holy and indecent at the same time.I think what Ivo is doing is incredible.His textures are completely different in the sonata.WOW! If performance practice changes he will be in da forefront!
of course ivo is a true visionary. i have been bored with so many of the "standard" performances of the liszt. (but not martha or earlier ivo) now i actually have really something to listen to. and i had to go back and back again.... did i really hear that... how could a human do that... and again and again i listen to a section of the liszt. and yet again. unreal. makes horowitz sound like a little school girl.if liszt would have heard this he would have bowed and decided to give up the piano! with gratitude."if only i could have played this way!" a hundred years from now pianists will look back to history and ask (about pogorelich) "how could he have known?"
That is why you cannot hear the audience breathing in this video. They cannot bear to miss any of it. :-) How are you my idiot friend. Are you having a good day?
Afrikitty hey, kitten, i just updated. "a hundred years from now pianists will look back to history and ask (about pogorelich) "how could he have known?" not really no attacks on my mindless stupidity. oh well i try :)
mikael kenner Hey Mikael, You want to see REAL mindless stupidity -- go to the comment section of this video and weep Battlestations Civilians Take a good look at the illogical trolls I dealt with there. You will never worry about people calling you a mindless idiot again. Remember, denunciation is ALWAYS the last resort of the defeated enemy.
Afrikitty hey kitten. "trolls" now you steal all my lines! were we separated at birth? i had restated (but it got lost) "a hundred years from now pianists will look back to history and ask (about pogorelich) "how could he have known?"; i had added this but my genius computer crashed. oh joy of joys. you refer to the trolls from trollhassen? dredging for maggots than even run from them? my favorite byline i change sometimes to ..."superior to your internet"! are we gonna have fun with the ultimate genius that infiltrate the global social network scene! :)
Merci beaucoup pour ce partage du concer !. Je suis pianiste classique et jazz mais surtout enseignant en musique. Je crois à l'utilité existentielle de la Musique, loin de la rentabilité souvent avancée pour justifier sa diffusion. Pogorelich en est un des exemples: je suis heureux de savoir qu'il soit aussi présent ! Car, triste de ne pas avoir d'autres enregistrements de ce génie depuis 20 ans... Ses «suites anglaises de Bach» me donnent un tel élan dans mes journées ! Il faudrait tellement encourager ce pianiste «interprète-créateur» à refaire des CDs!!!! Quel perte sinon. Cependant votre partage UA-cam me console.Donc merci encore.
je ne suis qu'une mélomane "auditrice"....mais j'ai aussi longtemps attendu les interprétations d'Ivo Pogorelich après son éviction du " Concours deVarsovie"...Ses interprétations de Chopin m'avaient "subjuguée" et il n'a pas eu, à mon avis , le succès et la diffusion qu'il mérite en Europe...L'ayant certainement raté à Paris , j'espère l'entendre un jour peut--être à Genève (dont je suis proche)
44:15 - I have never heard it played like this, the rising powerful bass, I love how it almost sounds like Rachmaninov around 46.00 We must not forget all the late romantic painters who created this kind of drama in their paintings, this seems to inform Ivo’s interpretation, the Sturm und Drang is all here
The more I listen to this performance of the Liszt Sonata and the more interesting I find it. For all extreme it may be, there is a strong sense of involvement and consistency to it which makes it as bold and successful as Liszt's own act of writing such a work itself. And by the way, I know two persons who got tickets to the coming Paris concert after listening to this.
Super bedankt voor deze post; het was bizar-intens, al die syncopen en (dus) niet-reguliere accenten die zowel chopin als liszt deden transformeren. :)
The Liszt is so much deeper and more modern than other interpretations. I P has matured as an artist when compared with his wild but exciting younger self.
Thannks for posting.His fans still care what his incredible but unorthodox mind still comes up with. Chopin has never sounde like this.I like it but I would dare say it is revealing .Sad that classical music world is so close minded .Pogo has become a jazz musician .Will we catch up.This man has always been different and incredible.
"unorthodox" "church music" "holy and indecent at the same time" "Pogo has become a jazz musician" "never sounde like this" "ook boe geroepen?" "this is a disaster" "a cacophony" oh really. well you learn something every day, huh?
I'm sorry, but this is some of the most bizarre playing I have ever heard from a professional pianist (and that includes Lang Lang, which is saying a lot)...
Bizarr and unorthodox. It sounds as if the pianist is improvising. However, this is a live concert. He finds new meaning to almost everything in the Sonata - the result I find is more worth listening to than many an “orthodox” performance.
the nocturne is the most un-conventional ever heard but the deepest and most beautiful rendition i have ever heard
With the one exception of Argerich live on EMI.
Incredible interpretation
I made these comments on the other version of this same performance on UA-cam (in poorer sound) where other listeners were less enthusiastic than here:
Having read some of the excoriating comments below I'd like to offer a different opinion. I'm reminded of how slowly Richter played the first movements of Schubert's sonatas D840, 894 and 960. When asked who he played for Richter said, 'I play for myself' and then added that if others derived pleasure from it then all to the good. Pogorelich's playing reminds me of the Liszt specialist Ervin Nyiregyházi (e.g. his truly transcendental conception of the Two Legends). You could say this performance is Wagnerian in scope and length, but mostly it reminds me of Messiaen. It sounds like a sonata 'for the end of time'. I don't actually find the performance self-indulgent (the fast sections are still fast and I don't detect any sentimentality in the very slow slow sections). Pogorelich somehow holds the structure together, just as Richter did in Schubert. The whole point of listening to different interpretations is to learn new insights into a piece. How refreshing not to hear a performance which is identical to a pianist's recordings - the typical Pollini sausage-machine approach. It's a moment in time that cannot be repeated, and I have never heard Pogorelich play any piece the same way twice. Surely that's a good thing in this over-mechanised age?
What's wrong with sentimentality. Hopefully that's everything I may be lucky to feel from any interpretation ! I mean, if it's not mechanical it must be sentimental. I don't see what's so different about your opinion. It carries a rather personal taste, like mine does, like everyone else's does... like the pianist himself does and they don't change what we just heard. It really is a moment in time that can't be repeated ! What if Pogorelich somehow didn't hold the structure together ? Who says if it's self-indulgent ? If it is, what happens ? Is it wrong ? Is it not worth listening to ? How much alteration the score can bare until it becomes a bad interpretation ? I really can't say. I'm no musical expert. In the end it's just opinion... I heard somewhere that if we look to closely it becomes pornography, if we distance ourselves to much it becomes criticism... I don't remember what's in between...
Realize that a Steinway holds tones much better than a Pleyel from other days.A historical notation is that Chopin took a rather slow speed in his onstage performances.The organiser asked him to be more speedy for time reasons and to keep the audience awake.He accepted without protesting.Remain that the intended speed, especially in some nocturnes from then must have been rather slow.Astonishment for the speed of Ivo abates from knowing this all.
i know, i will be repeating myself, but i keep listening to the liszt b minor, over and over again.... each time i hear something new.... and yet... just unreal. it is like looking into the future.... but from the past.
Genius, visionary. Glad to hear him even in the dark days of the 2000s. Sounds like a renewal! Thankful.
The nocturne is pure tragedy. Extraordinary.
"Under the fingers of Chopin´s hand the piano became the voice of an archangel, an orchestra, an army, a raging ocean, a creation of the universe, the end of the world." Solange Clesinger
Just happened on this via YT algorithm. I must thank you for this upload. I recommend others to listen with their eye wide shut as it is a lovely performance. Hartelijk bedankt. Michael
This is so fascinating...! Thank you Ivo
when u hear b minor this slow the personality of Liszt seems like da legend poet and devil but like church music there is something holy and indecent at the same time.I think what Ivo is doing is incredible.His textures are completely different in the sonata.WOW! If performance practice changes he will be in da forefront!
of course ivo is a true visionary. i have been bored with so many of the "standard" performances of the liszt. (but not martha or earlier ivo) now i actually have really something to listen to. and i had to go back and back again.... did i really hear that... how could a human do that... and again and again i listen to a section of the liszt. and yet again. unreal. makes horowitz sound like a little school girl.if liszt would have heard this he would have bowed and decided to give up the piano! with gratitude."if only i could have played this way!" a hundred years from now pianists will look back to history and ask (about pogorelich) "how could he have known?"
That is why you cannot hear the audience breathing in this video. They cannot bear to miss any of it. :-)
How are you my idiot friend. Are you having a good day?
Afrikitty
hey, kitten, i just updated. "a hundred years from now pianists will look back to history and ask (about pogorelich) "how could he have known?" not really no attacks on my mindless stupidity. oh well i try :)
mikael kenner
btw, thanks the +! on my "croatian" accent... i'm not making this up you know!
mikael kenner Hey Mikael,
You want to see REAL mindless stupidity -- go to the comment section of this video and weep Battlestations Civilians
Take a good look at the illogical trolls I dealt with there. You will never worry about people calling you a mindless idiot again. Remember, denunciation is ALWAYS the last resort of the defeated enemy.
Afrikitty
hey kitten. "trolls" now you steal all my lines! were we separated at birth? i had restated (but it got lost) "a hundred years from now pianists will look back to history and ask (about pogorelich) "how could he have known?"; i had added this but my genius computer crashed. oh joy of joys. you refer to the trolls from trollhassen? dredging for maggots than even run from them? my favorite byline i change sometimes to ..."superior to your internet"! are we gonna have fun with the ultimate genius that infiltrate the global social network scene! :)
Merci beaucoup pour ce partage du concer !. Je suis pianiste classique et jazz mais surtout enseignant en musique. Je crois à l'utilité existentielle de la Musique, loin de la rentabilité souvent avancée pour justifier sa diffusion. Pogorelich en est un des exemples: je suis heureux de savoir qu'il soit aussi présent ! Car, triste de ne pas avoir d'autres enregistrements de ce génie depuis 20 ans... Ses «suites anglaises de Bach» me donnent un tel élan dans mes journées ! Il faudrait tellement encourager ce pianiste «interprète-créateur» à refaire des CDs!!!! Quel perte sinon. Cependant votre partage UA-cam me console.Donc merci encore.
je ne suis qu'une mélomane "auditrice"....mais j'ai aussi longtemps attendu les interprétations d'Ivo Pogorelich après son éviction du " Concours deVarsovie"...Ses interprétations de Chopin m'avaient "subjuguée" et il n'a pas eu, à mon avis , le succès et la diffusion qu'il mérite en Europe...L'ayant certainement raté à Paris , j'espère l'entendre un jour peut--être à Genève (dont je suis proche)
He gives you new ears, new brain.
44:15 - I have never heard it played like this, the rising powerful bass, I love how it almost sounds like Rachmaninov around 46.00
We must not forget all the late romantic painters who created this kind of drama in their paintings, this seems to inform Ivo’s interpretation, the Sturm und Drang is all here
what can I say simply genius love love it
tyvm tyvm for this recording - we hope to recieve a new recording on CD
The more I listen to this performance of the Liszt Sonata and the more interesting I find it. For all extreme it may be, there is a strong sense of involvement and consistency to it which makes it as bold and successful as Liszt's own act of writing such a work itself.
And by the way, I know two persons who got tickets to the coming Paris concert after listening to this.
Huge thanx for posting.
Super bedankt voor deze post; het was bizar-intens, al die syncopen en (dus) niet-reguliere accenten die zowel chopin als liszt deden transformeren. :)
Beautiful and Visionary.
Гениально!Брависсимо!!!!Люблю, Ивушка!
That's really Art, with capital letters!
Fantastic!
The Liszt is so much deeper and more modern than other interpretations. I P has matured as an artist when compared with his wild but exciting younger self.
🌹🌹🌹Bravo, Ivo!!!
Supreme hypnotism
Thannks for posting.His fans still care what his incredible but unorthodox mind still comes up with. Chopin has never sounde like this.I like it but I would dare say it is revealing .Sad that classical music world is so close minded .Pogo has become a jazz musician .Will we catch up.This man has always been different and incredible.
I like the way you play my music
"unorthodox" "church music" "holy and indecent at the same time" "Pogo has become a jazz musician" "never sounde like this" "ook boe geroepen?" "this is a disaster" "a cacophony"
oh really. well you learn something every day, huh?
IVO IL CREATORE, there can b only 1= IVO !! Why? Every fookin' time NEW creation.
The Chopin op. 48/1 is really slow this time ... but not inadequate.
Which the recording device you used?
Hear this inner voice here wow : 7:23 - 7:39
Do you have an MP3 version of this recording?
yes
Just search up any yt mp3 converter on google
En natuurlijk was er ook juichend klapvee. Werd er ook boe geroepen?
catarsis
call the samaratans,,,,
I'm sorry, but this is some of the most bizarre playing I have ever heard from a professional pianist (and that includes Lang Lang, which is saying a lot)...
Caricaturalement lent. Ce n'est plus un Nocturne, c'est un somnifère !
A cacophany Instead of Chopin
(Musical) joke.
Liszt Sonate: Terrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Paulo Henrique Baldassi I agree totally.
Bizarr and unorthodox. It sounds as if the pianist is improvising. However, this is a live concert. He finds new meaning to almost everything in the Sonata - the result I find is more worth listening to than many an “orthodox” performance.