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As a matter of historically fact, there is no traditional martial arts in Korean peninsula. All of Korean martial arts in nowadays are originated from Japanese martial arts.
I started Korean Karate in the late 1960s. Our Korean instructor called it Chung Do Kwan, though we also had Mu Doo Kwan patches. Years later looking back, the techniques I learned seemed more like the Tang Soo Do I was seeing with its addition of elbow and knee strikes along with grabbing the opponents Gi than what TKD had become.
I met Won Kuk Lee in about 1976 in Virginia, not knowing who he actually was, the founder of Chung Do Kwan. He was guest judge on the panel at a big test in which several of the Washington DC taekwondo schools participated. He gave a speech in Korean (which was translated by an associate) about the greater goals of Taekwondo and personal development.
One small note...Chuck Norris had already begun developing his own art in 1965/66. Pat Johnson studied Korean Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do in the mid-1960s, but in 1967 or 1968 switched over to Norris' American Tang Soo Do system. American Tang Soo Do is a blend of judo, Moo Duk Kwan-Tang Soo Do, Shotokan, Shito-ryu and Shudokan karate. That's what the original Cobra Kai actors were trained in for the first movie.
The Moo Duk Kwan split into two associations, Tang Soo Do and Taekwondo. The Taekwondo Moo Duk Kwan eventually become associated with the Kuk Ki Won. Tang Soo Do evolved into Soo Bahk Do after 1970.
Yes they are also forgetting Chang moo kwon which came from byung in yun and was the fusion of taichi Quan fa and shotokan to make taekwondo. Tkd had 75 schools of thought originally. 16 comprised the kukkiwon curriculum.
3:45 Jhoon Rhee? I've heard that one of the reasons Tae Kwon do emphasizes foot techniques is that it was an art of the aristocracy and that it was felt that a hand was used to hold a pen or a paint brush, and not to be the prinicipal weapon in fighting.
I heard that legend, also, supposedly brought down from Takkyeon, an indigenous Korean martial art and, also, a game. The hands should be used for more scholarly applications, it was said.
Traditional Taekwondo, also known as ITF Taekwondo, created by General Choi Hong Hi, uses hands, kicks, grabbing, etc. The name says it all: the way of foot and fist. If it only uses foot then you might be referring to TaeKyon, one of the martial arts that influenced Taekwondo together with Karate and Northern Kung Fu styles. General Choi unified the different Kwans (schools) and created a martial art unique to Korea (Taekwondo). Later on 2 schools separated and their masters emigrated to the US and Canada, and called their martial art Tang Soo Do, as the video says. Due to political reasons, Taekwondo separated into ITF (nowadays traditional TKD, following mostly the Oh Dan schools) and WTF Taekwondo (following mostly the Chung Do Kwan with some elements of Hapkido on the self defense curricula). Unfortunately there is a lot of politics involved with assassination attempts, criminal organizations reaching the WTF and the Kudokwan (sport organization, mostly WTF), and so on.
@@CarlosOmarMaidana the south korean general Choi introduced Taekwondo to north korea. The SK government and people didn't like it so they tried to erase general Choi role in taekwondo history
Well, Koreans do find "Korean Karate" offensive because Korea was occupied and colonized by the Japanese empire in 1907. Some Koreans became Japanese collaborators or most Koreans call them "Chinilpa/친일파". The Chinilpa means those collaborators sided with the upper-class Japanese to work to gain higher positions in government jobs or the military. Anyway, during the colonization, the Japanese used their hard power to erase anything that is related to Korean culture including the language. Back then speaking and writing in Korean were banned. There are cases of Hanja and Hangul mixed in written newspapers back then but many people can barely read or understand Chinese characters. Hangul was made for the lower class during the Joseon period.
Sir, we are really thankful to you for providing such a good informative video clip or to say a Brilliant Tutorial Lesson for the Comparison (Similarities + Differences) among the Major Popular Martial Art Forms Practice around the World. Every Black belt should know these information as well as to teach their students to propagate the Legacy, the True History without being bias to any particular style. Thanking you again 🙏😇🥋
I do know many Koreans find it an insult to call any Korean martial art “Karate “ . I believe it had a lot to do with the occupation of Korea by the Japanese. When I began training in 1979 you never saw the two intertwined. I began to see it toward the 90’s as mega schools began to surface. “ Learn Tang Soo Do Korean Karate . I do feel that because of the expansion and contraction of those areas it’s hard to believe that none of the systems have not been influenced by each other .
It's true it's very insulting to call taewondo or any Korean martial is or any Korean marsh art Is karate, It's also insulting to call Taekwondo ballet, What also is it more insulting is to call the the very 1st Korean marsh art taekkyon Is Korean dance and say it's not a martial art!
Good video. However, just to clarify: Lee Won-kuk was not a high-ranking master under Funakoshi. He was nidan in Shotokan in 1944 when he returned to Korea and therefore the highest-ranking Shotokan practitioner in Korea at that time.
When I was stationed in SK in the 80’s, native Koreans were very offended at the term “Korean Karate” due to the bad blood that existed between Korea and Japan from WW II. The same went for using terms such as sensei, dojo and gi.
When I studied Taekwondo in Virginia in the mid 1970s, my school actually had a posted rule not to use "strange" terminology like gi, dojo, etc, but to use the Korean terminology. Even though the sign over the door said "Karate" with "Tae Kwon Do" under it, we never called it karate. I guess it had to do with the fact that, in America, everyone knows the word "karate" but at the time "Taekwondo" was not familiar.
As someone who earned a black belt in a Korean martial art and who still has ties to the people of South Korea, I have found the rootlessness and misrepresentation in many current Korean martial arts to be disappointing and speaks to the integrity of those martial arts. Any pursuit with focus toward excellence should seek truth. Korean martial arts, in particular Tae Kwon Do and Hapkido, have direct connections to Japanese schools. However, students are actually told that these were indigenous arts that the Japanese adopted. Practitioners begin their training with that seed of denial and deception. This is in part why, while Japanese masters are revered and are wise to the meaning of techniques in their respective schools, Korean masters tend to be old men with a hustle, often having side-businesses. Korean martial artists replace "do" and systematic, cohesive art with hard training and impressive feats due to hours of conditioning. In the US, that hard training does not sell among students who pursue martial arts for fitness and recreation. This leaves an immense hole in the instruction and value of the training. The soft training exposes Korean martial arts as techniques that were never really taught well. Repetition and knuckle sandwiches replaced proper pedagogy. Also, Westerners need to disassociate South Korean masters with the Hwarang of the past. The Hwarang were of noble or aristocratic lineage. Martial arts, back in the day, in China and in Korea, were taught to the upper class. South Korea is still a country of stark class division, and those in the upper class pursue academics or music at esteemed institutions. They do not pursue martial arts. The recent generations of masters came from humble origins, often from the streets of a war-torn Korean peninsula. This is not to disparage them, but it is to show how the art of noblemen was not the art of the streetfighter. I believe education enlightens, and I believe that the noble warriors of South Korea's past did practice a sophisticated and effective art (for their day). The Korean martial arts, today, are disconnected from that lineage and come from something borrowed by the Japanese and taught to the lowly.
Several kicks were introduced in Shotokan Karate between 1936 and 1946. Round kicks, back kicks, and hook kicks were introduced by Funakoshi Yoshitaka, the son of the founder of Shotokan. Flying kicks, double front kicks, front kicks, and side kicks were techniques that existed even before karate was introduced from Okinawa to Japan. At Moo Duk Kwan, they lied and called it Taekkyeon. TKD and Tang soo do try to loundry their lied history of Karate claim there was no kicks in karate. But it was already exisit before
I think the nationalism of Korea is the reason for that, to claim that Taekwondo is a pure art of Korea and has very long history of its own. But various Karate kicks do come from French martial art called Savate. Funakoshi's son 'borrow' those kicks after French soldiers and sailors demonstration of Savate in Japan, and then he added them to Shotokan Karate
You were so close! I'm direct under won kook Lee. We don't do poomsae we do hyung.... I never heard the word poomsae until I saw modern tkd on yt. Thanks for this video. I was just discussing this in my Ramsey Dewey video and nice to finally see the truth confirmed.
I practice Tang Soo Do from Moo Duk Kwan. We call them Hyung as well. Like you said I think poomsae is used for modern tkd. Its my understanding that Tae Kwon Do was created to be more independent. Korea wanted its own martial art and not just a copy of Japanese Karate. So maybe they stopped using the term hyung to move away from the Japanese Kata.
The real Moo Duk Kwan school was and has always been associated with the Tang Soo Do style and both (style and school) were created by the GGM Hwang Kee. When GGM didn't agree with Korea's political directions and Gen. Choi Hong Hi's attitudes, he exiled himself from the country and took his style with him...but obviously, he couldn't take his school facilities with him... and then the Korean government unashamedly took possession of the GGM Hwang Kee school and tied it to TKD. And the Korean government pressured several masters around the world to turn to TKD and many, betraying Hwang Kee's confidence, started teaching "TKD Moo Duk Kwan"! After the death of GGM Hwang Kee, his son, H.C. Hwang, changed the style's name to Soo Bahk Do. Sadly, the history of martial arts in Korea has been tainted by filthy political intrigues and the malice of rulers, and by some cowardly "masters"...
How can someone create something that already existed? Lee was the first to coin the term "Tang Soo Do", way before Hwang did. Hwang was calling his stuff "Hwa soo do" for years. In an interview prior to his death Lee said Hwang had been a student of his. Some Chung Do Kwan schools still teach the old Japanese/Okinawan forms instead of the modern taekwondo ones. If you compare those forms with the ones from the Moo Duk Kwan they both include added moves and kicks in the exact same spots. Coincidence? Nope. Cross training among peers? Lee just like every other Kwan founder (except for Hwang) had trained and earned rank either in Japan or from others who had.
@@barrettokarate Well, in 1st place... who is this "Lee"?? I never heard that GGM Hwang Kee was a student of someone named "Lee". And who's to say that this Lee guy created the term Tang Soo Do before Hwang? And if he did, it doesn't matter much, because whoever created the style that was once called Tang Soo Do and is now Soo Bahk Do was Hwang Kee.
I met HWANG Kee numerous times in Korea at least five, and have photographs of at least two of those meetings. He was not exiled from Korea and I practiced Tang Soo Do from 1977 to 1983 under his schools. He sent '"ambassadors" including his son current Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan Grandmaster HWANG Hyung Chul (H.C.), to the U.S. to establish the home Federation there due to the government interference in Korea. The Korean Tang Soo Do Association, Moo Duk Kwan actually won lawsuits in Korean courts to continue practicing using the Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan brand and it was recognized as a traditional Korean martial art. Meanwhile in the U.S. a series of "rebellions" occurred related to H.C. HWANG's leadership role, certain aspects of dojang, teaching, and rank certification which caused the splintering of Tang Soo Do. Most notable among these was when Jae Chul SHIN (Chuck Norris' Sa Bom at Osan Korea) who had been dispatched to the U.S. in 1968 split to form the World Tang Soo Do Association. The splintering of Tang Soo Do continued resulting in over 50 different Tang Soo Do organizations worldwide. In 1995 in a week long festival in Seoul Korea all schools of the Korean Tang Soo Do Association Moo Duk Kwan and the U.S. Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan Federation as well as other Moo Duk Kwan Schools changed their art from Tang Soo Do to Soo Bahk Do. Grandmaster HWANG Kee was still alive and was present and over saw the transition. HWANG Kee passed away in 2002 and his son H.C. HWANG was named Grandmaster of Soo Bahk Do, Moo Duk Kwan worldwide.
@@ronrodriguez8971 Thank you, Mr. Rodriguez! Your story was of great value to us! Good to know that the name of the art was changed with the permission of GGM Hwang Kee himself. Greetings from Brazil!🙏🏿👍🏿👊🏿🥋
@@welingtonmattos806 Actually Tang Soo Do pretty much translates to Tang (Chinese) knife hand, it is also what the original kanji Kara te in Japanese read until it was changed to another form of Kara which means empty instead of Chinese. Same sound different kanji and meaning. So Tang Soo Do is just a generic term for karate. Remember the Japanese occupied and changed the basic culture for forty years from 1905 to 1945.
Hapkido came from Daito-ryu Aikijutsu. Taekdondo came from Tang Soo Do and Kong Soo Do. Tang Soo Do and Kong Soo Do came from Shotokan and Shudokan respectfully.
@@barrettokarate yup tkd came from shotokan you can read it up ...but about hapkido I won't argue with your knowledge, I'm just saying before tkd, hapkido and Tang Soo do there was taikyon... I didn't say they came from taikyon ...we good?
Its not tang soo do...its actually TKD that was called korean karate!. It was developed in the 1950s its not as ancient as people think. If you look at old footage...they are exactly the same. Chuck norris was training at a dojang from time to time.
Tangsoodo is a forerunner of TKD. Before settling on the standardized Taekwondo as a name the terms Tangsoodo, Kongsoodo, and Taesoodo all saw use.the Mu Duk Kwan had a schism when the decision was made to unify. So, some of those students joined the Taekwondo movement while others remained separate.
and their sparring match rule sets are similarly different wtf/Olympic taekwondo and kyokushin are both full contact and focus on knockouts and knockdowns but they have very similar rules that you should know wtf style you only allowed kick to the torso area and head. and sweeps or low kicks are not allowed kyokushin you kick anywhere except the groin and the back/spine. you can kick to the head and legs wtf style can punch but they often push if the opponent attempts to clinch, they are not allowed to knee, elbow or grab with their legs. and they are not allowed to punch in the face kyokushin can punch to the torso but punches to the face is illegal, you cannot uppercut or strike the thoat. you can clinch/grab for about 3 or 5 seconds if you are going to knee strike only once if you attempt to knockout your opponent for just a knee strike but elbows is not allowed.
I suggest looking into Taekkyeon. a lot of wrestling, leg sweeps and low kicks are used in competitions. I feel it is more complete than Taekwondo in my opinion. If I were to mix boxing and Taekkyeon together it be the perfect kickboxing hybrid.
TAEKKYON WAS THE ANCIENT AND PARENT MARTIAL ART IN/FROM KOREA THAT TAEKWONDO LATER EMERGED FROM AND OTHER ARTS MIXED WITH TO BECOME NEW OR OTHER ARTS. SUCH ARTS LIKE TANG SOO DO CAME TO BE BECAUSE OF THE MIXTURE AND DEVELOPMENT OF TAEKKYON/TAEKWONDO(KOREA) & SHOTOKAN(JAPAN). ALSO KYOKUSHIN. WHICH IS WHY TANG SOO DO AND KYOKUSHIN ARE CALLED "KARATE".
@@mastertorryn5397 not a single proof of that. Taekkyon has no weapon forms, it automatically makes it suspect since all ancient marital acts had primary weapon forms with unarmed combat being supplementary at best. Teakkyon has no records of anything. Just some drawings of people standing with their hands down looking at each other.
Well, he isn't wrong though. China was highly developed in ancient times then Korea came after. Japan's development came a bit late cause there was an incident in the Korean Peninsula during the three-kingdom period. Baekje a Korean kingdom ask "Wa" aka Japan for military aid but they got overwhelmed by Silla who was allied by the Tang from China. Silla took over Baekje and many of the Baekje royal family fled to China and Japan. The ones that fled to Japan were under house arrest. So for years those royal Baekje later came into the Japanese monarch.
Sir, the symbol used in Tang Soo Do Tang Defined as hitting or prodding This character had the same pronunciation as the tang meaning a place or time in China. In the past, it has been stated that a Korea’s martial arts tradition, along with Buddhism, had come from China. It had also been thought that the hwaramga, from the Sulla dynasty,, were trained in this Shaolin tradition which had been introduced along with Buddhism. With more thorough research these ideas are under suspicion and appear to be false. The period in history when Buddhism was first introduced and begin to develop in Korea was the time of king so soo Kim in kokuryeo, AD 372; Kim chim ryoo in bak je AD 384 and king bup gong in silla AD 527. At this time, theology of the Shaolin in the bunk told me we’re not even in China. Also Shell in at least according to Drake today’s understanding was not established until around the 16th century by Gak Wong song in. Therefore, Shaolin, before this time, with only a primitive theology and should not be given credit for the early development of the martial arts in Korea. Respect should, and rightly so, be given to the internal growth of martial arts in Korea based on the unique cultural inheritances of the society.
Yes, those koreans learned various styles of Karate and changed them a bit. By this logic anyone can create new styles of Karate. Karate still is a Japanese/Okinawan cultural asset.
People get Taekwon-Do confused with Taekwondo. And like watering down an alcoholic beverage, time has not been kind to these arts, they only get worse and worse as they age. Choi attempted to unite the Korea's through martial arts. Neither side appreciated that idea, banished him from the country for such an offensive idea. A number of schools were teaching the same art, they all went their seperate ways. South Korea in a way stole the name Taekwondo and hooked up with the olympics. Created their own style and their own fighting forms. The original masters almost all held black belts in Shotokan Karate. Chon-Ji practically copies Heian Shodan. And Tang Soo Do's first form is just the same. What happened is olympics. Olympics ruined Judo, they've ruined taekwondo, they've ruined Jiu-jitsu, wrestling, karate, and everything else. Anything else they can get their hands on in the future will become the same way. Especially since weight classes still matter, yet the absurd stupidity is that males that identify as something else can compete in female sports.
Karate came from the white crane martial art in Southern China and reached Okinawa. At the time Okinawa didn't become part of Japan because the rulers of Okinawa adopted the Chinese dynastic system. When Japan invaded Okinawa it became a vessel state so the Japanese allowed Okinawa to trade with China under the watchful eye of the Japanese.
@@Katcom111 Was the White Crane that made it's way to Okinawa the same crane that is taught in shaolin 5 animals styles and 5 families kung fu (hung, choy, li, mok, lau) or is it lay-shaolin which developed on it's own outside of the shaolin? All of this gets confusing.
I challenge the assertion that TSD and TKD's kicks came from older Korean martial arts. I suspect this is a myth, and I predict that there will be only *the word of my master* and no evidence either written or in pictures or in video of these kicks being in other martial arts contemporaneous with or preceding the propagation of either TSD or Japanese karate in Korea.
لايوجد شي اسمه تايكوندو اليابان احتلت كوريا تقريبا أربعون سنة كانت هناك فن كوري يدع تاكيون بعد الاستقلال دمجت التاكيون بي كاراتية شوتو كان وأصبحت تايكوندو ....التاكيون هو الفن القتالي التقليدي لكوريا والكاراتية فن ياباني .....اليابانين فرضوا على الكورين سنوات الاحتلال تعلم الكاراتية وبعد الاستقلال دمجت تقنيات الكاراتية مثل الضربات المستقيمة السريعة سواء بالقدم أو باليد والحركات الأساسية وكذلك الوقفة التحية وكيفية وضع اليدين ...واخدو تقنيات التاكيون وهي الدوران والمرونة والطيران وأصبحت تايكوندو الآن. ....يعني التايكوندو هي كاراتية لكن بطريقة النسخ واللصق. ...اليابانين هم الأصل في كل شي لولا اليابان ماكانت كوريا ..كل مجالات الحياة في كوريا هي نسخة مقلدة عن اليابان
TSD used to be a hard style with hard sparring. It got watered down by instructors unwilling to lose students to bloody noses and bruised ribs. It’s happening to MT as well right now. But anytime there are young men who really want to test themselves there will be a venue.
@@jameslyons6655 Please, tell me, where in the world is this happening to Muay Thai right now??? Most gyms in europe do sparring like it`s a full contact fight. Which is quite stupid, by the way. In Thailand sparring is more playfull (you can do also hard sparring, if you need it). But it´s always full contact fights, if you compete in MT.
@@jameslyons6655 There is no hard contact sparring in Muay Thai. We do what we call technique sparring just touching. We usually only go all out on Pads and mitts and the heavy bag or in competition. Its hilarious the stereotypes you have of what Muay Thai traning is, you probably got your info from watching to much kickboxer films...lol
Tang Soo Do did work. Back in "blood and gut era" of 60s and 70s, Chuch Norris and Eddie Everett came from MooDukKwan Tang Soo Do. They produced top fighters in the karate circuit, defeating japanese, okinawan karate styles, kenpo, kajukenbo, kung fu, Silat etc. Also, muay thai shouldnt get too cocky. I saw muay thai go against grapplers and get their ass kicked. Muay thai cant talk like it is the best martial art. They are not. Even boxers like Mike Tyson can rape the entire division of heavyweight muay thai fighters all in 1round.
@@alter5057 Your name says it all. There are no MT fighters (from Thailand) who are as heavy as heavyweight boxers... On the other hand, Tyson's peek a boo style wouldn't be as effective as normal against Muay Thai. Because of the peeked posture, the risk of being knocked out through headkicks or knees to the head is very high.
Hapkido is a korean martial art also.
No its Aikido!
@@lancehobbs8012 very good....that is also a Korean martial arts.... I know what Hapkido is....I have a black belt in it.
Hapkido Korean Martial art and Aikido Japanese Martial art..
@@dersupra Aikido is Japanese and parent martial art of Hapkido, Hapkido is created from Aikido
As a matter of historically fact, there is no traditional martial arts in Korean peninsula.
All of Korean martial arts in nowadays are originated from Japanese martial arts.
Chuck Norris didnt fight bruce Lee in the movie. They acted a fight.
I started Korean Karate in the late 1960s. Our Korean instructor called it Chung Do Kwan, though we also had Mu Doo Kwan patches. Years later looking back, the techniques I learned seemed more like the Tang Soo Do I was seeing with its addition of elbow and knee strikes along with grabbing the opponents Gi than what TKD had become.
I met Won Kuk Lee in about 1976 in Virginia, not knowing who he actually was, the founder of Chung Do Kwan. He was guest judge on the panel at a big test in which several of the Washington DC taekwondo schools participated. He gave a speech in Korean (which was translated by an associate) about the greater goals of Taekwondo and personal development.
One small note...Chuck Norris had already begun developing his own art in 1965/66. Pat Johnson studied Korean Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do in the mid-1960s, but in 1967 or 1968 switched over to Norris' American Tang Soo Do system. American Tang Soo Do is a blend of judo, Moo Duk Kwan-Tang Soo Do, Shotokan, Shito-ryu and Shudokan karate. That's what the original Cobra Kai actors were trained in for the first movie.
The Korean Karate Academy in Ashland, Kentucky, in the 1960s, later became a Chuck Norris school some years later.
The Moo Duk Kwan split into two associations, Tang Soo Do and Taekwondo. The Taekwondo Moo Duk Kwan eventually become associated with the Kuk Ki Won. Tang Soo Do evolved into Soo Bahk Do after 1970.
Yep
Yes they are also forgetting Chang moo kwon which came from byung in yun and was the fusion of taichi Quan fa and shotokan to make taekwondo. Tkd had 75 schools of thought originally. 16 comprised the kukkiwon curriculum.
Good to read comments from someone who actually knows taekwondo/Tang Soo do history 👍👍👍👍
I studied Moo du kwan taekwondo 🥋
3:45 Jhoon Rhee?
I've heard that one of the reasons Tae Kwon do emphasizes foot techniques is that it was an art of the aristocracy and that it was felt that a hand was used to hold a pen or a paint brush, and not to be the prinicipal weapon in fighting.
I heard that legend, also, supposedly brought down from Takkyeon, an indigenous Korean martial art and, also, a game. The hands should be used for more scholarly applications, it was said.
Jhoon Rhee is a legend in America. He designed fighting gloves that end up in some Full contact karate aka American Kickboxing.
Traditional Taekwondo, also known as ITF Taekwondo, created by General Choi Hong Hi, uses hands, kicks, grabbing, etc. The name says it all: the way of foot and fist. If it only uses foot then you might be referring to TaeKyon, one of the martial arts that influenced Taekwondo together with Karate and Northern Kung Fu styles. General Choi unified the different Kwans (schools) and created a martial art unique to Korea (Taekwondo). Later on 2 schools separated and their masters emigrated to the US and Canada, and called their martial art Tang Soo Do, as the video says. Due to political reasons, Taekwondo separated into ITF (nowadays traditional TKD, following mostly the Oh Dan schools) and WTF Taekwondo (following mostly the Chung Do Kwan with some elements of Hapkido on the self defense curricula). Unfortunately there is a lot of politics involved with assassination attempts, criminal organizations reaching the WTF and the Kudokwan (sport organization, mostly WTF), and so on.
@@CarlosOmarMaidana the south korean general Choi introduced Taekwondo to north korea. The SK government and people didn't like it so they tried to erase general Choi role in taekwondo history
Tang Soo Do is not traditional Tae Kwon Do.
Well, Koreans do find "Korean Karate" offensive because Korea was occupied and colonized by the Japanese empire in 1907. Some Koreans became Japanese collaborators or most Koreans call them "Chinilpa/친일파". The Chinilpa means those collaborators sided with the upper-class Japanese to work to gain higher positions in government jobs or the military. Anyway, during the colonization, the Japanese used their hard power to erase anything that is related to Korean culture including the language. Back then speaking and writing in Korean were banned. There are cases of Hanja and Hangul mixed in written newspapers back then but many people can barely read or understand Chinese characters. Hangul was made for the lower class during the Joseon period.
Sir, we are really thankful to you for providing such a good informative video clip or to say a Brilliant Tutorial Lesson for the Comparison (Similarities + Differences) among the Major Popular Martial Art Forms Practice around the World. Every Black belt should know these information as well as to teach their students to propagate the Legacy, the True History without being bias to any particular style. Thanking you again 🙏😇🥋
I do know many Koreans find it an insult to call any Korean martial art “Karate “ . I believe it had a lot to do with the occupation of Korea by the Japanese.
When I began training in 1979 you never saw the two intertwined. I began to see it toward the 90’s as mega schools began to surface. “ Learn Tang Soo Do Korean Karate . I do feel that because of the expansion and contraction of those areas it’s hard to believe that none of the systems have not been influenced by each other .
It's true it's very insulting to call taewondo or any Korean martial is or any Korean marsh art Is karate, It's also insulting to call Taekwondo ballet, What also is it more insulting is to call the the very 1st Korean marsh art taekkyon Is Korean dance and say it's not a martial art!
You never saw the 2 intertwined? Mas oyama was korean! It was common for people to interchangably train at a dojo or dojang
Good video. However, just to clarify: Lee Won-kuk was not a high-ranking master under Funakoshi. He was nidan in Shotokan in 1944 when he returned to Korea and therefore the highest-ranking Shotokan practitioner in Korea at that time.
When I was stationed in SK in the 80’s, native Koreans were very offended at the term “Korean Karate” due to the bad blood that existed between Korea and Japan from WW II. The same went for using terms such as sensei, dojo and gi.
When I studied Taekwondo in Virginia in the mid 1970s, my school actually had a posted rule not to use "strange" terminology like gi, dojo, etc, but to use the Korean terminology. Even though the sign over the door said "Karate" with "Tae Kwon Do" under it, we never called it karate. I guess it had to do with the fact that, in America, everyone knows the word "karate" but at the time "Taekwondo" was not familiar.
The reason is Korean nationalism
As someone who earned a black belt in a Korean martial art and who still has ties to the people of South Korea, I have found the rootlessness and misrepresentation in many current Korean martial arts to be disappointing and speaks to the integrity of those martial arts. Any pursuit with focus toward excellence should seek truth. Korean martial arts, in particular Tae Kwon Do and Hapkido, have direct connections to Japanese schools. However, students are actually told that these were indigenous arts that the Japanese adopted. Practitioners begin their training with that seed of denial and deception.
This is in part why, while Japanese masters are revered and are wise to the meaning of techniques in their respective schools, Korean masters tend to be old men with a hustle, often having side-businesses. Korean martial artists replace "do" and systematic, cohesive art with hard training and impressive feats due to hours of conditioning. In the US, that hard training does not sell among students who pursue martial arts for fitness and recreation. This leaves an immense hole in the instruction and value of the training. The soft training exposes Korean martial arts as techniques that were never really taught well. Repetition and knuckle sandwiches replaced proper pedagogy.
Also, Westerners need to disassociate South Korean masters with the Hwarang of the past. The Hwarang were of noble or aristocratic lineage. Martial arts, back in the day, in China and in Korea, were taught to the upper class. South Korea is still a country of stark class division, and those in the upper class pursue academics or music at esteemed institutions. They do not pursue martial arts. The recent generations of masters came from humble origins, often from the streets of a war-torn Korean peninsula. This is not to disparage them, but it is to show how the art of noblemen was not the art of the streetfighter. I believe education enlightens, and I believe that the noble warriors of South Korea's past did practice a sophisticated and effective art (for their day). The Korean martial arts, today, are disconnected from that lineage and come from something borrowed by the Japanese and taught to the lowly.
Several kicks were introduced in Shotokan Karate between 1936 and 1946.
Round kicks, back kicks, and hook kicks were introduced by Funakoshi Yoshitaka, the son of the founder of Shotokan. Flying kicks, double front kicks, front kicks, and side kicks were techniques that existed even before karate was introduced from Okinawa to Japan.
At Moo Duk Kwan, they lied and called it Taekkyeon.
TKD and Tang soo do try to loundry their lied history of Karate claim there was no kicks in karate. But it was already exisit before
I think the nationalism of Korea is the reason for that, to claim that Taekwondo is a pure art of Korea and has very long history of its own.
But various Karate kicks do come from French martial art called Savate. Funakoshi's son 'borrow' those kicks after French soldiers and sailors demonstration of Savate in Japan, and then he added them to Shotokan Karate
You were so close! I'm direct under won kook Lee. We don't do poomsae we do hyung.... I never heard the word poomsae until I saw modern tkd on yt. Thanks for this video. I was just discussing this in my Ramsey Dewey video and nice to finally see the truth confirmed.
We are chung do kwan btw. Not moo do kwan
I practice Tang Soo Do from Moo Duk Kwan. We call them Hyung as well. Like you said I think poomsae is used for modern tkd. Its my understanding that Tae Kwon Do was created to be more independent. Korea wanted its own martial art and not just a copy of Japanese Karate. So maybe they stopped using the term hyung to move away from the Japanese Kata.
They forged the application to the tournament. Daniel is a cheater! 😜
Took Muay Thai and American kempo karate Korean karate is the next martiel art I wanna train in
The real Moo Duk Kwan school was and has always been associated with the Tang Soo Do style and both (style and school) were created by the GGM Hwang Kee.
When GGM didn't agree with Korea's political directions and Gen. Choi Hong Hi's attitudes, he exiled himself from the country and took his style with him...but obviously, he couldn't take his school facilities with him... and then the Korean government unashamedly took possession of the GGM Hwang Kee school and tied it to TKD. And the Korean government pressured several masters around the world to turn to TKD and many, betraying Hwang Kee's confidence, started teaching "TKD Moo Duk Kwan"!
After the death of GGM Hwang Kee, his son, H.C. Hwang, changed the style's name to Soo Bahk Do.
Sadly, the history of martial arts in Korea has been tainted by filthy political intrigues and the malice of rulers, and by some cowardly "masters"...
How can someone create something that already existed? Lee was the first to coin the term "Tang Soo Do", way before Hwang did. Hwang was calling his stuff "Hwa soo do" for years. In an interview prior to his death Lee said Hwang had been a student of his. Some Chung Do Kwan schools still teach the old Japanese/Okinawan forms instead of the modern taekwondo ones. If you compare those forms with the ones from the Moo Duk Kwan they both include added moves and kicks in the exact same spots. Coincidence? Nope. Cross training among peers? Lee just like every other Kwan founder (except for Hwang) had trained and earned rank either in Japan or from others who had.
@@barrettokarate Well, in 1st place... who is this "Lee"?? I never heard that GGM Hwang Kee was a student of someone named "Lee".
And who's to say that this Lee guy created the term Tang Soo Do before Hwang? And if he did, it doesn't matter much, because whoever created the style that was once called Tang Soo Do and is now Soo Bahk Do was Hwang Kee.
I met HWANG Kee numerous times in Korea at least five, and have photographs of at least two of those meetings. He was not exiled from Korea and I practiced Tang Soo Do from 1977 to 1983 under his schools. He sent '"ambassadors" including his son current Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan Grandmaster HWANG Hyung Chul (H.C.), to the U.S. to establish the home Federation there due to the government interference in Korea. The Korean Tang Soo Do Association, Moo Duk Kwan actually won lawsuits in Korean courts to continue practicing using the Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan brand and it was recognized as a traditional Korean martial art. Meanwhile in the U.S. a series of "rebellions" occurred related to H.C. HWANG's leadership role, certain aspects of dojang, teaching, and rank certification which caused the splintering of Tang Soo Do. Most notable among these was when Jae Chul SHIN (Chuck Norris' Sa Bom at Osan Korea) who had been dispatched to the U.S. in 1968 split to form the World Tang Soo Do Association. The splintering of Tang Soo Do continued resulting in over 50 different Tang Soo Do organizations worldwide. In 1995 in a week long festival in Seoul Korea all schools of the Korean Tang Soo Do Association Moo Duk Kwan and the U.S. Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan Federation as well as other Moo Duk Kwan Schools changed their art from Tang Soo Do to Soo Bahk Do. Grandmaster HWANG Kee was still alive and was present and over saw the transition. HWANG Kee passed away in 2002 and his son H.C. HWANG was named Grandmaster of Soo Bahk Do, Moo Duk Kwan worldwide.
@@ronrodriguez8971 Thank you, Mr. Rodriguez! Your story was of great value to us! Good to know that the name of the art was changed with the permission of GGM Hwang Kee himself.
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@@welingtonmattos806 Actually Tang Soo Do pretty much translates to Tang (Chinese) knife hand, it is also what the original kanji Kara te in Japanese read until it was changed to another form of Kara which means empty instead of Chinese. Same sound different kanji and meaning. So Tang Soo Do is just a generic term for karate. Remember the Japanese occupied and changed the basic culture for forty years from 1905 to 1945.
At 4:04 on the far right is my instructor's instructor. He is without the MooDukKwan trim
Before tkd, hapkido and Tang Soo do there was taikyon...
Hapkido came from Daito-ryu Aikijutsu. Taekdondo came from Tang Soo Do and Kong Soo Do. Tang Soo Do and Kong Soo Do came from Shotokan and Shudokan respectfully.
@@barrettokarate yup tkd came from shotokan you can read it up ...but about hapkido I won't argue with your knowledge, I'm just saying before tkd, hapkido and Tang Soo do there was taikyon... I didn't say they came from taikyon ...we good?
Its not tang soo do...its actually TKD that was called korean karate!. It was developed in the 1950s its not as ancient as people think. If you look at old footage...they are exactly the same. Chuck norris was training at a dojang from time to time.
Tangsoodo is a forerunner of TKD. Before settling on the standardized Taekwondo as a name the terms Tangsoodo, Kongsoodo, and Taesoodo all saw use.the Mu Duk Kwan had a schism when the decision was made to unify. So, some of those students joined the Taekwondo movement while others remained separate.
@Arjun TSD go on then , what you dont agree that tkd is basically karate, and people like Chuck Norris used to go between dojang and dojo?
the basic form for kyokushin karate and WTF taekwondo basic form (Pal Gwe) is the same.
and their sparring match rule sets are similarly different
wtf/Olympic taekwondo and kyokushin are both full contact and focus on knockouts and knockdowns but they have very similar rules that you should know
wtf style you only allowed kick to the torso area and head. and sweeps or low kicks are not allowed
kyokushin you kick anywhere except the groin and the back/spine. you can kick to the head and legs
wtf style can punch but they often push if the opponent attempts to clinch, they are not allowed to knee, elbow or grab with their legs. and they are not allowed to punch in the face
kyokushin can punch to the torso but punches to the face is illegal, you cannot uppercut or strike the thoat. you can clinch/grab for about 3 or 5 seconds if you are going to knee strike only once if you attempt to knockout your opponent for just a knee strike but elbows is not allowed.
Taekwondo is Korean karate. Along with tang so do.
Kyokoshin is also Korean/Japanese karate 🥋.
Which came first, Moo Duk Kwan or Tang Soo Do?
As someone who learned Taekwondo it just seems unfortunate many of us learned an incomplete martial art as kids.
I suggest looking into Taekkyeon. a lot of wrestling, leg sweeps and low kicks are used in competitions. I feel it is more complete than Taekwondo in my opinion. If I were to mix boxing and Taekkyeon together it be the perfect kickboxing hybrid.
TAEKKYON WAS THE ANCIENT AND PARENT MARTIAL ART IN/FROM KOREA THAT TAEKWONDO LATER EMERGED FROM AND OTHER ARTS MIXED WITH TO BECOME NEW OR OTHER ARTS. SUCH ARTS LIKE TANG SOO DO CAME TO BE BECAUSE OF THE MIXTURE AND DEVELOPMENT OF TAEKKYON/TAEKWONDO(KOREA) & SHOTOKAN(JAPAN). ALSO KYOKUSHIN. WHICH IS WHY TANG SOO DO AND KYOKUSHIN ARE CALLED "KARATE".
Taekkyon is not a martial art. It was a peasant dancing game.
@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 You're wrong it was actually a martial art don't be stupid now! It was Korea's 1st martial art so don't be an idiot!
@@mastertorryn5397 not a single proof of that. Taekkyon has no weapon forms, it automatically makes it suspect since all ancient marital acts had primary weapon forms with unarmed combat being supplementary at best. Teakkyon has no records of anything. Just some drawings of people standing with their hands down looking at each other.
Nope
@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 Wait so sword dancing doesn't count as a martial art.
The originaire of all martial arts in korea an Japon from chineese kung-fu.
And china got it from India.
@@Samperor and India got it from Animals.
Wrong Okinawa already had te when kung fu came to Okinawa
Well, he isn't wrong though. China was highly developed in ancient times then Korea came after. Japan's development came a bit late cause there was an incident in the Korean Peninsula during the three-kingdom period. Baekje a Korean kingdom ask "Wa" aka Japan for military aid but they got overwhelmed by Silla who was allied by the Tang from China. Silla took over Baekje and many of the Baekje royal family fled to China and Japan. The ones that fled to Japan were under house arrest. So for years those royal Baekje later came into the Japanese monarch.
Sir, the symbol used in
Tang Soo Do
Tang
Defined as hitting or prodding
This character had the same pronunciation as the tang meaning a place or time in China.
In the past, it has been stated that a Korea’s martial arts tradition, along with Buddhism, had come from China. It had also been thought that the hwaramga, from the Sulla dynasty,, were trained in this Shaolin tradition which had been introduced along with Buddhism. With more thorough research these ideas are under suspicion and appear to be false. The period in history when Buddhism was first introduced and begin to develop in Korea was the time of king so soo Kim in kokuryeo, AD 372; Kim chim ryoo in bak je AD 384 and king bup gong in silla AD 527.
At this time, theology of the Shaolin in the bunk told me we’re not even in China. Also Shell in at least according to Drake today’s understanding was not established until around the 16th century by Gak Wong song in.
Therefore, Shaolin, before this time, with only a primitive theology and should not be given credit for the early development of the martial arts in Korea. Respect should, and rightly so, be given to the internal growth of martial arts in Korea based on the unique cultural inheritances of the society.
Prototype of TKD
Well-explained .. Mutual respect to you
Kyokushin and Goju Ryu were karate styles founded by Koreans.
Yes, those koreans learned various styles of Karate and changed them a bit. By this logic anyone can create new styles of Karate.
Karate still is a Japanese/Okinawan cultural asset.
Goju Ryu was founded by Sensei Chojun Miyagi who was Okinawan
Goju Ryu were karate styles founded by Koreans.
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The founder of goju ryu wasn't korean, you moron.
@@pabloeduardocohaluna4001 thank you Mr Luna
Kyokushin was invented by a Korean-Japanese WW2 Veteran
Goju ryu was invented by an Okinawan master from Naha
NewsFlash.All empty hand systems are karate.All karate means is empty hand.Boxing is literally karate.
And all martial arts are Kung Fu, which means to gain skill through hard work and practice.
Um no western boxing is not literally Karate
@@josephperkins4080 Ummmm...yes it is malaka....Karate is just the japanese word for empty hand fighting....Deal with it karate kid
Interesting! Lots of things I have never heard before. A friend of mine has #2 on Chuck Norris’ group’s membership card; Chuck being #1.
The Blend of Karate , Taekyon and Hapkido
I trained in Kang Duk Kwon by Park Chul. Our kata resembled Shotokans!
I am master in taekwondo
So its just TKD?
People get Taekwon-Do confused with Taekwondo. And like watering down an alcoholic beverage, time has not been kind to these arts, they only get worse and worse as they age.
Choi attempted to unite the Korea's through martial arts. Neither side appreciated that idea, banished him from the country for such an offensive idea. A number of schools were teaching the same art, they all went their seperate ways. South Korea in a way stole the name Taekwondo and hooked up with the olympics. Created their own style and their own fighting forms.
The original masters almost all held black belts in Shotokan Karate. Chon-Ji practically copies Heian Shodan. And Tang Soo Do's first form is just the same.
What happened is olympics. Olympics ruined Judo, they've ruined taekwondo, they've ruined Jiu-jitsu, wrestling, karate, and everything else. Anything else they can get their hands on in the future will become the same way. Especially since weight classes still matter, yet the absurd stupidity is that males that identify as something else can compete in female sports.
Yes and no. Do not tell a tang soo do practitioner they are close to tae Kwon do or even related
In orgin yes. But time has change. Some styles of TKD look like Tang soo do but others look totally different.
Same with moo duk Kwan and soo bak do. Both are tang soo do but have a different approach.
@@mrdent5648 yes and different forms which by the way I love the knife form.
@@maskedfishing7168 before lockdown I was learning the first knife form and staff forms one and two and only just getting back to weapons training.
@@mrdent5648 if you wouldn’t mind sharing those forms if you ever get them on video. I would appreciate it
Good
In my opinion: The 10 Kwans SHOULD have split evenly. 5 should have stayed and respected Tang Soo Do. The other 5 should be Tae Kwon Do.
I had a friend study Tai Shoo Run duc hai.
I've trained Chung Do Kwan
It's taekwondo
Korea never gets tired copying. First they copied Aikido and made their own Hapkido and now copied Karate too
ههههه صديقي انت رجل جيد....كلامك صحيح100%الكوريين نسخ الكاراتية أصبحت تايكوندو ....انا أعتبر أن تايكوندو مدرسة من مدارس الكاراتية
Karate came from the white crane martial art in Southern China and reached Okinawa. At the time Okinawa didn't become part of Japan because the rulers of Okinawa adopted the Chinese dynastic system. When Japan invaded Okinawa it became a vessel state so the Japanese allowed Okinawa to trade with China under the watchful eye of the Japanese.
@@Katcom111 Was the White Crane that made it's way to Okinawa the same crane that is taught in shaolin 5 animals styles and 5 families kung fu (hung, choy, li, mok, lau) or is it lay-shaolin which developed on it's own outside of the shaolin? All of this gets confusing.
Wu tang clan
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All korean martial arts are actually from Imprerial Japan. Korean martial arts copies of Chinese ones, started appearing from the late 70s and 80s.
Yup they were desperate to create a style of their own so badly
I challenge the assertion that TSD and TKD's kicks came from older Korean martial arts. I suspect this is a myth, and I predict that there will be only *the word of my master* and no evidence either written or in pictures or in video of these kicks being in other martial arts contemporaneous with or preceding the propagation of either TSD or Japanese karate in Korea.
The book title you're looking for is: Muye Dobo Tongji
@@ScottGarrettDrums
Yeah, I've heard of it. Give me which translation to use and which page or pages show something that is conclusively Taekwondo.
Kuk hi keon
Taekwondo give away black belts . ................. TAEKWON DON'T
Say Korean karate 10 times as fast as you can. Post videos
Korean karate lives on WKF, SKIF they destroy everything of Karate DO,
Korea kendo
Gichin funakoshi destroyed karate
It had begun even before him to make Karate less leathal and more as an education system.
hahahaha 이건 뭐냐 ??? 코브라카이.... 영화찍냐 ? ㅎㅎㅎㅎ 태권도와 가라테는 틀리다.
You mean taekwondo...
한국 고유의 무술은 Karate가 아니고 Taekwondo다.
Korean martial arts are not Karate but Taekwondo.
Yet Tang Soo Do is different than Tae Kwon Do both are definitely Korean
لايوجد شي اسمه تايكوندو اليابان احتلت كوريا تقريبا أربعون سنة كانت هناك فن كوري يدع تاكيون بعد الاستقلال دمجت التاكيون بي كاراتية شوتو كان وأصبحت تايكوندو ....التاكيون هو الفن القتالي التقليدي لكوريا والكاراتية فن ياباني .....اليابانين فرضوا على الكورين سنوات الاحتلال تعلم الكاراتية وبعد الاستقلال دمجت تقنيات الكاراتية مثل الضربات المستقيمة السريعة سواء بالقدم أو باليد والحركات الأساسية وكذلك الوقفة التحية وكيفية وضع اليدين ...واخدو تقنيات التاكيون وهي الدوران والمرونة والطيران وأصبحت تايكوندو الآن. ....يعني التايكوندو هي كاراتية لكن بطريقة النسخ واللصق. ...اليابانين هم الأصل في كل شي لولا اليابان ماكانت كوريا ..كل مجالات الحياة في كوريا هي نسخة مقلدة عن اليابان
Sounds good, doesn´t work... laughs in muay thai.
TSD used to be a hard style with hard sparring. It got watered down by instructors unwilling to lose students to bloody noses and bruised ribs. It’s happening to MT as well right now. But anytime there are young men who really want to test themselves there will be a venue.
@@jameslyons6655 Please, tell me, where in the world is this happening to Muay Thai right now??? Most gyms in europe do sparring like it`s a full contact fight. Which is quite stupid, by the way. In Thailand sparring is more playfull (you can do also hard sparring, if you need it). But it´s always full contact fights, if you compete in MT.
@@jameslyons6655 There is no hard contact sparring in Muay Thai. We do what we call technique sparring just touching. We usually only go all out on Pads and mitts and the heavy bag or in competition.
Its hilarious the stereotypes you have of what Muay Thai traning is, you probably got your info from watching to much kickboxer films...lol
Tang Soo Do did work. Back in "blood and gut era" of 60s and 70s, Chuch Norris and Eddie Everett came from MooDukKwan Tang Soo Do. They produced top fighters in the karate circuit, defeating japanese, okinawan karate styles, kenpo, kajukenbo, kung fu, Silat etc.
Also, muay thai shouldnt get too cocky. I saw muay thai go against grapplers and get their ass kicked. Muay thai cant talk like it is the best martial art. They are not. Even boxers like Mike Tyson can rape the entire division of heavyweight muay thai fighters all in 1round.
@@alter5057 Your name says it all. There are no MT fighters (from Thailand) who are as heavy as heavyweight boxers... On the other hand, Tyson's peek a boo style wouldn't be as effective as normal against Muay Thai. Because of the peeked posture, the risk of being knocked out through headkicks or knees to the head is very high.