The lack of follow up is an issue in the medical system full stop but more so in the mental health system. Most mental health professionals are not properly trained and shouldn't be anywhere near vulnerable people
~52:45 If they're saying, 'future research may reveal,' but they've been doing this for 10 years, haven't done the research, won't say experimental, but instead were setting this as 'standards of care,' so insurance would cover it... I think insurance companies should sue WPATH for insurance fraud. Patients should sue, governments should hold them criminally liable for that and willful negligence for the harms caused... etc etc etc.
Fantastic news about accreditation for the continuing education program. That would be so important to me as a children’s nurse. I am retired now but thank you for all your hard work. ❤🇬🇧
Matthew Syed’s book Black Box Thinking is really good at explaining how the law and medicine, among other things, could learn from the aviation industry.
SUch an amazing sequence of videos about the past medical scandals (I've watched them in the wrong order and ended with the part 1 lol). I need to watch it again because all the information you shared and all the ideas and reflections are very deep. Thank you for sharing this amazing sequence of Past Medical Scandals.
My late mother-in-law was lobotomised in the early 1960's. She remained intellectually unimpaired and was able to undertake universitiy courses, but had no self-control, was physically dangerous to my young daughter (after that episode she was banned from visiting), and was incapable of maintaining personal hygiene or order and cleanliness in her personal space or of relating to other people with empathy.
@@souxcasa Frances Farmer was lobotomised for real. I presume Jessica Lange wasn't, but they made it look real in the movie. Kurt Cobain wrote a song, 'Frances Farmer Will Have Her Revenge on Seattle'.
@@missanne2908 She was treated very badly. Perhaps because she was difficult to control. Another good movie covering the topic of institutional control of women's behaviour is Splendor in the Grass (1961) starring Natalie Wood.
You're being too kind to the physicians involved given the harm they are causing. Many of these kids have been driven into crisis by activist teachers practising Queer Theory on them - in order to de-stabilise and prompt their confusion - getting them to experience the "Queer" as Kevin Kumoshiro talks about in his books. Vulnerable children are being pushed over the edge so that they adopt a Queer identity as the only way out for them. There is both a massive psychological and medical scandal here.
Totally agree. Let's remember what they are supporting - that a child can be 'born in the wrong body'. No. And ignoring any other mental health problems or traumas.
As Jung pointed out, we have no need of concern for those who influcted all this pain - the shadow complex will look after them, they were "just following best practice".
Listened to this live earlier, typical your discussion put the lobotomy scandal in context of a woefully ignorant state of affairs in the past. This is Genspect's trade mark, insistance on a proper understanding of situations. And I agree, it makes the trans scandal far more inexcuseable. I'm following the vaccine scandal at the same time - the medical system is a complete mess.
I approach this with trepidation. I find the issue of the role and status of men and women endlessly fascinating. There is a divide there, and I can't help but feel that part of society's problem is the inability of men and women to form healthy mutually beneficial bonds. We have made a complete hash of what Mary Harrington describes as moving from a family homestead economy to a wage earning society.
1:06:33 *_"Over 250,000 people in the U.S. die each year because of medical errors,_* making it the third leading cause of death in this country behind heart disease and cancer, according to a Johns Hopkins study."
I've been disabled for the last twenty years & have lost count of the times I would have died if not for myself or a loved one noticing a medical error.
I want to hear more from Stella about Ireland keeping unmarried mothers in institutions until the 90s! Also, LOL at Mia telling us how lobotomy was marketed as 'safe and effective' - just like the covid vax!
So if there was a religious tied to a traditional belief system which for religious reasons ultimately participated in something similar would it be right to justify that action if it keeps people from deciding if they want children or not?
Past?? They still do lobotomies. And electric shock therapy is also still used.... Idk how people keep thinking is in the past... it's not... Good way to tell people who actually know and work in the industry and who doesn't.
I see the medical system chose not to throw the baby with the water in terms of assembly line of medicine. Except its more like a water slide now and private practice nearly extinct.
This was interesting, but I wish it had stayed more on topic; I think everyone listening is well aware of the parallel between lobotomy and gender affirming surgery; we would have liked to hear more about lobotomy and the social and ethical standards and state before, during, and after without constant deviations off into talking about sex changes. We get it. Absolutely nobody with an IQ over room temperature is disagreeing with you. It would have helped your case and your audience to provide more facts and information related to lobotomy and the entire social environment in which it happened so that maybe your audience would be armed to present arguments on their own for the similarities.
What are you talking about Stella- the mental health professions like every profession has different personalities and some find it harder and some easier to make mistakes. Please, stop with the sweeping statements, it doesn’t reflect reality or nuance and doesn’t help
What are you talking about Stella, there are different personalities in every profession, including the mental health professions; and some people find it harder and some find it easier to make mistakes. Please stop with the sweeping statements about the professions, it just doesn’t help or reflect the reality
The lack of follow up is an issue in the medical system full stop but more so in the mental health system. Most mental health professionals are not properly trained and shouldn't be anywhere near vulnerable people
~52:45 If they're saying, 'future research may reveal,' but they've been doing this for 10 years, haven't done the research, won't say experimental, but instead were setting this as 'standards of care,' so insurance would cover it...
I think insurance companies should sue WPATH for insurance fraud.
Patients should sue, governments should hold them criminally liable for that and willful negligence for the harms caused... etc etc etc.
Fantastic news about accreditation for the continuing education program. That would be so important to me as a children’s nurse. I am retired now but thank you for all your hard work. ❤🇬🇧
Matthew Syed’s book Black Box Thinking is really good at explaining how the law and medicine, among other things, could learn from the aviation industry.
SUch an amazing sequence of videos about the past medical scandals (I've watched them in the wrong order and ended with the part 1 lol). I need to watch it again because all the information you shared and all the ideas and reflections are very deep. Thank you for sharing this amazing sequence of Past Medical Scandals.
Content is solid and interesting as usual. Thank you!
My late mother-in-law was lobotomised in the early 1960's. She remained intellectually unimpaired and was able to undertake universitiy courses, but had no self-control, was physically dangerous to my young daughter (after that episode she was banned from visiting), and was incapable of maintaining personal hygiene or order and cleanliness in her personal space or of relating to other people with empathy.
I feel the same way about Mia as I do about a favorite actor; I have to see everything she's in.
I highly recommend the 1982 film 'Frances' with Jessica Lange playing Frances Farmer. In one scene, she was used to demonstrate transorbital lobotomy.
I assume the scene is her acting and she's not actually being used to demonstrate it?
@@souxcasa Frances Farmer was lobotomised for real. I presume Jessica Lange wasn't, but they made it look real in the movie. Kurt Cobain wrote a song, 'Frances Farmer Will Have Her Revenge on Seattle'.
The film also showed Frances Farmer receiving insulin shock in a scene prior to her lobotomy.
@@missanne2908 She was treated very badly. Perhaps because she was difficult to control. Another good movie covering the topic of institutional control of women's behaviour is Splendor in the Grass (1961) starring Natalie Wood.
Appreciate ya. Thanks for sharing.
You're being too kind to the physicians involved given the harm they are causing. Many of these kids have been driven into crisis by activist teachers practising Queer Theory on them - in order to de-stabilise and prompt their confusion - getting them to experience the "Queer" as Kevin Kumoshiro talks about in his books. Vulnerable children are being pushed over the edge so that they adopt a Queer identity as the only way out for them. There is both a massive psychological and medical scandal here.
Totally agree. Let's remember what they are supporting - that a child can be 'born in the wrong body'. No. And ignoring any other mental health problems or traumas.
Saw the thumbnail & thought What a Jolly Topic! Maybe later I'm having breakfast.
As Jung pointed out, we have no need of concern for those who influcted all this pain - the shadow complex will look after them, they were "just following best practice".
How does Mia get her hair so shiny??
It’s beautiful.
Listened to this live earlier, typical your discussion put the lobotomy scandal in context of a woefully ignorant state of affairs in the past.
This is Genspect's trade mark, insistance on a proper understanding of situations.
And I agree, it makes the trans scandal far more inexcuseable.
I'm following the vaccine scandal at the same time - the medical system is a complete mess.
Th pitfalls of for profit medicine.
I approach this with trepidation. I find the issue of the role and status of men and women endlessly fascinating.
There is a divide there, and I can't help but feel that part of society's problem is the inability of men and women to form healthy mutually beneficial bonds.
We have made a complete hash of what Mary Harrington describes as moving from a family homestead economy to a wage earning society.
1:06:33 *_"Over 250,000 people in the U.S. die each year because of medical errors,_* making it the third leading cause of death in this country behind heart disease and cancer, according to a Johns Hopkins study."
I've been disabled for the last twenty years & have lost count of the times I would have died if not for myself or a loved one noticing a medical error.
I want to hear more from Stella about Ireland keeping unmarried mothers in institutions until the 90s! Also, LOL at Mia telling us how lobotomy was marketed as 'safe and effective' - just like the covid vax!
So if there was a religious tied to a traditional belief system which for religious reasons ultimately participated in something similar would it be right to justify that action if it keeps people from deciding if they want children or not?
Hysterectomy has been suggested as a treatment for cases of ' female hysteria'
Past?? They still do lobotomies. And electric shock therapy is also still used....
Idk how people keep thinking is in the past... it's not...
Good way to tell people who actually know and work in the industry and who doesn't.
Psychopathy must be big in medicine. :(
Stella said ‘leucotomy’.
I see the medical system chose not to throw the baby with the water in terms of assembly line of medicine. Except its more like a water slide now and private practice nearly extinct.
This was interesting, but I wish it had stayed more on topic; I think everyone listening is well aware of the parallel between lobotomy and gender affirming surgery; we would have liked to hear more about lobotomy and the social and ethical standards and state before, during, and after without constant deviations off into talking about sex changes. We get it. Absolutely nobody with an IQ over room temperature is disagreeing with you. It would have helped your case and your audience to provide more facts and information related to lobotomy and the entire social environment in which it happened so that maybe your audience would be armed to present arguments on their own for the similarities.
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What are you talking about Stella- the mental health professions like every profession has different personalities and some find it harder and some easier to make mistakes. Please, stop with the sweeping statements, it doesn’t reflect reality or nuance and doesn’t help
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