False green technologies and the dangers of Lithium-Ion batteries. Here are a few hints for you in return. Recycling doesn’t work and never has (not enough incentive for it). Make it hurt a person's wallet, and it “might” have a greater chance of success (and I do stress “might”). These huge lithium-ion batteries cannot be recycled. They contain almost 50 liters of slurry or emulsifier that is extremely hazardous to the environment and also causes birth defects when this mixture eventually leaches into the water tables from the many landfills in which they are invariably placed (the steel casings can be reprocessed but not the chemical). The cost of recycling these casings is also astronomically expensive and incredibly hazardous to the human body. No one knows what to do with the slurry. In specific relation to Tesla car batteries. Electronics and form factors constantly change (typically they become smaller, lighter, and more efficient). They are also corrected or improved for engineering issues discovered after release (battery fires, cell failures, improvements in electronics, etc…). Even if you purchased a newer vehicle without a battery, in the hope of reusing your older million-mile battery, you’d likely have difficulties adapting an older battery's form factor to a newer vehicle (it would likely have different mount points and be bulkier). As much as we claim to want reusability, societally, we never seem to follow through. Technology just evolves too quickly. Until they move fully to better battery technology (hopefully solid-state) this will remain a major issue (it is quite literally a race against time). This is an issue that goes far beyond Tesla. My hearing aids and watch battery are all powered by lithium-ion, as are all the batteries for the majority of electronic devices throughout the world. Eventually, they all end up in a landfill somewhere. With all this said, I do believe mankind will win this race. New, better, less hazardous, battery technologies are on the horizon, once we escape from Lithium-Ion things will improve dramatically. I'm betting on solid-state, but it could end up that we merely move to a better less dangerous chemical mix. Who knows? Comically, the many green crusaders never want to discuss any of this. They merely want to buy products with a green leaf slapped on them and pretend they're saving the environment while acting holier than thou. As a side note, I remember when many of the auto manufacturers approached the Federal government requesting they be allowed to store this chemical waste at Yuma, right alongside our nuclear waste. The AZ governor at the time (a woman whose name I cannot now recall) told them to go pound sand. I’m not sure what the end result was (I relocated). However, I have no doubt the correct people were paid off, the correct amount of bribe money was tendered and it likely happened. It takes the burning of more coal and oil to produce these supposed “green” technologies than any benefits we ever get out of the finalized products (but no one ever wants to admit this) however, people like to feel good about themselves by purchasing electric cars. We are still a decade away from quality non-environmentally-adverse green-leaning technologies that will be semi-comparable to the quality and heft of current fossil-fuel-based technologies. We should be pursuing nuclear energy, including better cleaner use of fossil fuels until advances in technology allow for better non-environmentally impacting “true green” technologies. Current and supposed “green” tech creates more pollution and environmental damage than our existing fossil-fuel-based technologies ever will. Wake up, Greta. Have a great day.
The fantastic Tesla Semi. The incredible Tesla Cybertruck. The amazing Tesla Hyperloop. The astounding Tesla self-driving car. Watch the first manned launch of the spellbinding Starship this summer. Yada Yada Yada
I tend to keep some of my cars for decades. I've never had an engine die on me, but because I live in the salt belt all of my cars have died from cancer.
Fast charging a battery shortens its life. But imagine charging from 20% to 80% in 15 minutes on a million miles battery ! Battery still lasts 10 years. Perfect for renters who have no place to charge overnight. Half the USA population rents their home. The market for EVs is then bigger. We will have it in a few years.
Fact remains : the Electrical grid (even in North America is simply Not up charging mass numbers of EV's In some countries( Uk, Germany) the electrical grids are on Life support as is. Mass adoption of EV's will be FAR worse for 'ecology' than fuel fired ones.
I'm waiting for Tesla to develop a "trailer battery pack" that can hitch to the rear of the vehicle with a trailer "locking' plug. This plus recharging station with replacement packs. To do this would increase the distance without the wait for a charge...It would revolutionize cross country travel as we know it.
Would be an awesome idea but I don't think they would because if you ever got rear-ended just think of the fire and damage it would cause. It would have to be built indestructible. Safer to just tow a trailer with a gas generator for long road trips
Blah Blah Blah He has been promising the Holy Grail of batteries for 10 years He's always "close" but never a cigar but gladly tells us we are two weeks away
It's not just the cost of a new battery when you buy the car, but any subsequent accident might lead to battery replacement, which often costs almost 45 - 50% of the cost of the car. Also repair costs (of EVs) are significantly more than ICE cars, hence most new customers (who haven't already bought EVs) are unlikely to switch anytime soon.
Repair costs for ICE cars are much more than an EV. The only way that doesn't happen is if the battery keeps failing which they don't. Even older battery tech had rare failures and with heat pumps and new tech they last the life of the car.
I'm intrigued by the idea of moving a higher quality battery to another vehicle or repurpose it somehow. Maybe the battery can be "leased" to bring down buyer cost of a higher quality battery. So maybe when a customer wants to "upgrade" their car they're just getting a new "shell" and the battery is on some kind of contract basis.
It’s good marketing, but weather conditions where I live makes it nearly impossible for a daily driver to last much more than 150k. They rust out and part wear (engine and other mechanicals, suspension, etc.) makes them prohibitively expensive to own. And does anyone want to drive a 30 year old car given all the modern creature comforts?
It's possible in the future you will bring in your car and they will fit a new body to your sled (chassis, battery bank) when you are tired of style or interior is shot
Sure...the batteries in theory last a long time, but the reality is range decreases with use so the functional life is significantly less especially when you consider that some cells will completely fail and the packs are not made in such a way to allow cell replacement.
What about the motor windings ? I'll bet they wont do a million miles before insulation breakdown. Same goes for any sealents, gaskets, rubbers or bearings.
Most of drivelines are designed for 300k-500K B1 miles. A typical car driver drives less than 12k miles/year aka 120k miles in 10 years. For exceptions the 250k-300k miles in a 10 years would be more than sufficient before cars reach their end-life.
6AM 05/02/2024 When Tesla puts the new battery's that can fast charge to 100% and increase the effect range of the model X I would very quickly order my dream car. John
Yes this channel really nailed it with all the hype on the model 2. Another Tesla dreamware that all of a sudden has disappeared. Maybe this dude really has no clue
Haw credibility has the performance of batteries claimed by all batteries companies? Claiming 1 million miles or more on a battery, need no laboratory estimates only, this need driving the care or using the battery for 16 years as experts claim. These principles must be understand and then distributed for the public.
Elon false promises to pump its stock. It’s Nio that has the technology for battery swap and are ahead of the game with their infrastructure of battery swap stations.
If Tesla abandoned 4680 and adopted Blade battery, two things are against Tesla. First Tesla has to either buy it from BYD or pay the patten fees to produce it. It would cost Tesla more. Second, Tesla put a lot of money in building Giga 4680 manufacturing plants. Now those Giga supposedly profit centers become Giga cost centers. Not very good for Tesla.
LFP batteries are traditionally specified for 5000-8000 cycles. CATL current high capacity LFP's are for 3000 cycles. So, this hyped million mile battery is nothing more than a step closer to typical LFP endurance. Typically cars are not driven million miles. Average mileage us between 10k-15k per year, depending on country. Other parts of the car typically fails on age, and it affects on the battery too, besides cycles. More important than maximum cycle life for typical consumer is probability of battery failure and also energy density, charging speed and ability to work in cold. Usually these are compromises with cycle life. Elon's robotaxies may benefit high cycle batteries, but I don't expect to see them on wide use. In general, this sounds bad news. More like coverup for failing with 4680. The worst part is loosing most of the battery manufacturing into China. Unless is Elon already on China's leach, it's hard to understand how he can't see the risk.
I have been predicting the death of the 4680 for some time; Tesla has to find an alternative or Cybertruck and Semi; let alone new roadster are dead. This new great battery looks a lot like the BYD blade; not a fan. Find a better chemistry that can surpass the 4680's original claims.
This vid is TOTALLY wrong. @ 2:11 they claim LNMC are NEW, whereas it is more energy dense LFP batteries that are increasing in range. Just clickbait IMO. UNSUBSCRIBE !
This increases the number of charging cycles from 1,000 to 4,000. A million miles if you charge every 250 miles. People don't want to use batteries like that. They want to keep the battery fully charged all the time. Especially as EV can be charged overnight. When you phone gets down to 23% you don't say "I'll take it to work like that and hope it doesn't go dead." You charge it up.
Talk about overkill. No one keeps their vehicles for a lifetime. If the vehicle wears out before the battery, then why do we care if it can go 1 million miles? This is ridiculous.
Wrong. Think of companies with non-car vehicles that use batteries: e-forklifts, Yard dog transfer trucks, e-taxis, backup power packs like Tesla walls for homeowners, and so much more. Also, there are a lot of lower-income families that DO keep cars much longer than the Middle-and upper-class folk do. Longer-lasting batteries would help confidence in buying a used e-car.
Try thinking outside the box someday. Check out how recycling works. Ever seen a wrecking yard? You know that cars are made of parts, yes? Several hints to get you started
Teslas aren’t built well enough to last that many miles! They have yet to build a car with a hood that fits properly and driving the Model 3 requires chiropractic treatment!
Maybe after years of driving your car you can buy a new car without the battery. Like a 1 time payment for the battery and just swich the battery pack from car to car for your life. First tesla 100k second 30k without battery. Wold make sense to me and way less battery waist
!My outlook on money changed when I realized someone making $300,000 can retire broke & someone making $80,000 can retire a multi-millionaire. With the current market movement, you have $100,000 to invest.. Where are you investing it?
Money advice varies, but planning is key. Exposed to personal finance early, I started working at 19, bought my first home at 28, faced job loss at 36 during COVID. Consulting a CFP helped grow my finances. Currently, I'm 25% short of my $5m goal.
Yes, Andras Bohm made headlines in 2020, but I'm not sure if I can bring him up in this context. he manages my portfolio and acts as a counselor for me.
There are magnetic perpetual motion designs that don't use the incredible amount of natural resources a battery does. They won't develop it because they want "money" by selling parts and repair services.
It just gets better and better. Thank you Elon Musk ❤
These channels are clickbait
False green technologies and the dangers of Lithium-Ion batteries.
Here are a few hints for you in return.
Recycling doesn’t work and never has (not enough incentive for it). Make it hurt a person's wallet, and it “might” have a greater chance of success (and I do stress “might”).
These huge lithium-ion batteries cannot be recycled. They contain almost 50 liters of slurry or emulsifier that is extremely hazardous to the environment and also causes birth defects when this mixture eventually leaches into the water tables from the many landfills in which they are invariably placed (the steel casings can be reprocessed but not the chemical). The cost of recycling these casings is also astronomically expensive and incredibly hazardous to the human body. No one knows what to do with the slurry.
In specific relation to Tesla car batteries. Electronics and form factors constantly change (typically they become smaller, lighter, and more efficient). They are also corrected or improved for engineering issues discovered after release (battery fires, cell failures, improvements in electronics, etc…). Even if you purchased a newer vehicle without a battery, in the hope of reusing your older million-mile battery, you’d likely have difficulties adapting an older battery's form factor to a newer vehicle (it would likely have different mount points and be bulkier). As much as we claim to want reusability, societally, we never seem to follow through. Technology just evolves too quickly.
Until they move fully to better battery technology (hopefully solid-state) this will remain a major issue (it is quite literally a race against time). This is an issue that goes far beyond Tesla. My hearing aids and watch battery are all powered by lithium-ion, as are all the batteries for the majority of electronic devices throughout the world. Eventually, they all end up in a landfill somewhere. With all this said, I do believe mankind will win this race. New, better, less hazardous, battery technologies are on the horizon, once we escape from Lithium-Ion things will improve dramatically. I'm betting on solid-state, but it could end up that we merely move to a better less dangerous chemical mix. Who knows?
Comically, the many green crusaders never want to discuss any of this. They merely want to buy products with a green leaf slapped on them and pretend they're saving the environment while acting holier than thou.
As a side note, I remember when many of the auto manufacturers approached the Federal government requesting they be allowed to store this chemical waste at Yuma, right alongside our nuclear waste. The AZ governor at the time (a woman whose name I cannot now recall) told them to go pound sand. I’m not sure what the end result was (I relocated). However, I have no doubt the correct people were paid off, the correct amount of bribe money was tendered and it likely happened.
It takes the burning of more coal and oil to produce these supposed “green” technologies than any benefits we ever get out of the finalized products (but no one ever wants to admit this) however, people like to feel good about themselves by purchasing electric cars. We are still a decade away from quality non-environmentally-adverse green-leaning technologies that will be semi-comparable to the quality and heft of current fossil-fuel-based technologies.
We should be pursuing nuclear energy, including better cleaner use of fossil fuels until advances in technology allow for better non-environmentally impacting “true green” technologies. Current and supposed “green” tech creates more pollution and environmental damage than our existing fossil-fuel-based technologies ever will. Wake up, Greta. Have a great day.
It is a great idea. But I am not holding my breath.
Some people don't care about EV cars, or FSD, they just prefer to drive........
It's nice to see Tesla is staying flexible on battery tech
Don't be naive
He hasn't got a option like other
Motor manufacturers
The fantastic Tesla Semi. The incredible Tesla Cybertruck. The amazing Tesla Hyperloop. The astounding Tesla self-driving car. Watch the first manned launch of the spellbinding Starship this summer. Yada Yada Yada
Cobalt is a very severe poison risk in case of fire for the firemen.
I tend to keep some of my cars for decades. I've never had an engine die on me, but because I live in the salt belt all of my cars have died from cancer.
Rumors are rumors. I am not expecting anything to pan out anymore.
Including Hobotaxis
Life-time warranty??
Fast charging a battery shortens its life. But imagine charging from 20% to 80% in 15 minutes on a million miles battery !
Battery still lasts 10 years. Perfect for renters who have no place to charge overnight. Half the USA population rents their home. The market for EVs is then bigger.
We will have it in a few years.
I do appreciate your time to do those videos, but they could be a lot shorter and better written.
Im with you on that point, and tend to tune out the second they say could be, ( that means never gonna happen )
1. e-lawn didn't reveal anything. His battery provider did.
2. e-lawn doesn't believe his own claims as shown by their battery warranty mileage.
How come we don’t hear Elon talk about this? It is just you saying what ever you want.
Fact remains : the Electrical grid (even in North America is simply Not up charging mass numbers of EV's
In some countries( Uk, Germany) the electrical grids are on Life support as is. Mass adoption of EV's will be FAR worse for 'ecology' than fuel fired ones.
Well put!!!! 👍 NIO Infrastructure
Tesla Blade Battery will dominate the world. Tesla battery can take nail through it.
I'm waiting for Tesla to develop a "trailer battery pack" that can hitch to the rear of the vehicle with a trailer "locking' plug.
This plus recharging station with replacement packs.
To do this would increase the distance without the wait for a charge...It would revolutionize cross country travel as we know it.
Would be an awesome idea but I don't think they would because if you ever got rear-ended just think of the fire and damage it would cause. It would have to be built indestructible. Safer to just tow a trailer with a gas generator for long road trips
Or a solar pop-up trailer
too much weight to pull and this would a shorter distance as your pulling dead weight.
about as likely as hyperloop and FSD
Blah Blah Blah
He has been promising the Holy Grail of batteries for 10 years
He's always "close" but never a cigar but gladly tells us we are two weeks away
It's not just the cost of a new battery when you buy the car, but any subsequent accident might lead to battery replacement, which often costs almost 45 - 50% of the cost of the car. Also repair costs (of EVs) are significantly more than ICE cars, hence most new customers (who haven't already bought EVs) are unlikely to switch anytime soon.
Repair costs for ICE cars are much more than an EV. The only way that doesn't happen is if the battery keeps failing which they don't. Even older battery tech had rare failures and with heat pumps and new tech they last the life of the car.
The problem is as soon as you buy an ev it's obsolete. When the new tech comes in you can't sell the old car. It's worthless.
People who buy electric cars probably aren't worried about resale price.
Trade it in
I'm intrigued by the idea of moving a higher quality battery to another vehicle or repurpose it somehow. Maybe the battery can be "leased" to bring down buyer cost of a higher quality battery. So maybe when a customer wants to "upgrade" their car they're just getting a new "shell" and the battery is on some kind of contract basis.
In road charging for freeways
It’s good marketing, but weather conditions where I live makes it nearly impossible for a daily driver to last much more than 150k. They rust out and part wear (engine and other mechanicals, suspension, etc.) makes them prohibitively expensive to own. And does anyone want to drive a 30 year old car given all the modern creature comforts?
It's possible in the future you will bring in your car and they will fit a new body to your sled (chassis, battery bank) when you are tired of style or interior is shot
My dearest Elon musk bro your biggest brilliant bro 1000 million miles wow your biggest greater car choice sarprais I love ❤
A Tesla warranty on a battery should be 300,000 mile or 12 year’s with no more then a 20% reduction in life of a battery,would make better option.
but then they'd have to keep buying people new batteries for free. they'd rather the unwashed masses buy a new tesla instead.
Sure...the batteries in theory last a long time, but the reality is range decreases with use so the functional life is significantly less especially when you consider that some cells will completely fail and the packs are not made in such a way to allow cell replacement.
excellent.
Isn't this battery from catl a Chinese company?
Video title "Elon Musk Reveals" show be deleted. . . This video has nothing about a Elon Musk reveal and is about CATL reveal!
What about the motor windings ? I'll bet they wont do a million miles before insulation breakdown. Same goes for any sealents, gaskets, rubbers or bearings.
Most of drivelines are designed for 300k-500K B1 miles. A typical car driver drives less than 12k miles/year aka 120k miles in 10 years. For exceptions the 250k-300k miles in a 10 years would be more than sufficient before cars reach their end-life.
6AM 05/02/2024 When Tesla puts the new battery's that can fast charge to 100% and increase the effect range of the model X I would very quickly order my dream car. John
What happened to his 4680?
I hate the metric that states that tradition American driver only needs a daily 250 miles.... It stunts growth in the market completely.
Which comes first? One million mile battery, or landing a human on Mars? My guess is neither.
Battery can last 1 million miles but inavator will in troubled some problems create overroll cost higher than petrol bill
Yes this channel really nailed it with all the hype on the model 2. Another Tesla dreamware that all of a sudden has disappeared. Maybe this dude really has no clue
Really 1 .2 to 1,500,000 miles on that battery. My cordless drill battery won’t last acouple of years, I can’t get a few minutes on a cordless drill.
Haw credibility has the performance of batteries claimed by all batteries companies? Claiming 1 million miles or more on a battery, need no laboratory estimates only, this need driving the care or using the battery for 16 years as experts claim. These principles must be understand and then distributed for the public.
Elon false promises to pump its stock. It’s Nio that has the technology for battery swap and are ahead of the game with their infrastructure of battery swap stations.
If Tesla abandoned 4680 and adopted Blade battery, two things are against Tesla.
First Tesla has to either buy it from BYD or pay the patten fees to produce it.
It would cost Tesla more.
Second, Tesla put a lot of money in building Giga 4680 manufacturing plants. Now those Giga supposedly profit centers become Giga cost centers.
Not very good for Tesla.
Elon, I've been trying to get ahold of you
Give my 1000 mile range with Right to Repair and I’ll look.
Design?
A majorily abused term.
Most design never see the light of day.
It's still lithium, No thanks!
I don't need a 60kw explosive device parked in my driveway.
I’m thinking the semi road tractors should definitely be prioritized with the high lifetime batteries….
I agree
hype and more hype
I think stock will continue to tank.
clickbait. wasnt its existing batteries suppose to last 1 million miles 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
LFP batteries are traditionally specified for 5000-8000 cycles. CATL current high capacity LFP's are for 3000 cycles. So, this hyped million mile battery is nothing more than a step closer to typical LFP endurance.
Typically cars are not driven million miles. Average mileage us between 10k-15k per year, depending on country. Other parts of the car typically fails on age, and it affects on the battery too, besides cycles. More important than maximum cycle life for typical consumer is probability of battery failure and also energy density, charging speed and ability to work in cold. Usually these are compromises with cycle life. Elon's robotaxies may benefit high cycle batteries, but I don't expect to see them on wide use.
In general, this sounds bad news. More like coverup for failing with 4680. The worst part is loosing most of the battery manufacturing into China. Unless is Elon already on China's leach, it's hard to understand how he can't see the risk.
I have been predicting the death of the 4680 for some time; Tesla has to find an alternative or Cybertruck and Semi; let alone new roadster are dead. This new great battery looks a lot like the BYD blade; not a fan. Find a better chemistry that can surpass the 4680's original claims.
This vid is TOTALLY wrong. @ 2:11 they claim LNMC are NEW, whereas it is more energy dense LFP batteries that are increasing in range. Just clickbait IMO. UNSUBSCRIBE !
I bet Tesla won't increase the warranty though. The Q1 earnings mumblefest will be a bloodbath
Exaggerated claims are always a year away = never.
In Muskspeak. "Next year" and "soon" are more fluid than a kid born to a Hollywood celeb, during their divorce proceedings.
This increases the number of charging cycles from 1,000 to 4,000. A million miles if you charge every 250 miles. People don't want to use batteries like that. They want to keep the battery fully charged all the time. Especially as EV can be charged overnight. When you phone gets down to 23% you don't say "I'll take it to work like that and hope it doesn't go dead." You charge it up.
In road changing is coming
I prefer my diesel truck, nice clean diesel.....and it will run on used French fry oil....
Go to sleep...a lot more beautiful dreams that Elon may offer you!
Unbelievable. Wonder if the battery is cloud. Only cloud security to protect patent from dropping off heaven into an obstinate den.
Wow 😳
Don't be naive
sodium ion battery?
Lithium sulfur
Watch what goverment to do try make money from this. Because it’s not about the cost of living crisis, it’s about how they can drain money from us
Could....
And FSD5 could have come in 2016😂
Lithium sulfate.
🤗this is BRILLIANT!!! ❤️
Don't be naive
Anyone want to bet on it?
The cheater is telling us another story. haha.
I'll give ya 56billion reasons why this won't come to life!
All a desperate ettempt.to.raise the stock.price
Million mile battery with a 50 thousand mile warranty?
After 50 thousand its 50 grand to replace it.🤑
One million miles, one hundred miles at a time.
Terrible video when they say no one want long range your ridiculous
Bla bla bla.
A lot of talk!!! I will stick with gas cars!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahah, no.
Smoking crack
There are no Model 2 customers. No Model 2's have been built.
bullshit
Oh no tesla stock to the moon 😂. Unfortunately soon
Talk about overkill. No one keeps their vehicles for a lifetime. If the vehicle wears out before the battery, then why do we care if it can go 1 million miles? This is ridiculous.
Wrong. Think of companies with non-car vehicles that use batteries: e-forklifts, Yard dog transfer trucks, e-taxis, backup power packs like Tesla walls for homeowners, and so much more. Also, there are a lot of lower-income families that DO keep cars much longer than the Middle-and upper-class folk do. Longer-lasting batteries would help confidence in buying a used e-car.
Used car market and repurposed parts.
Try thinking outside the box someday. Check out how recycling works. Ever seen a wrecking yard? You know that cars are made of parts, yes?
Several hints to get you started
Teslas aren’t built well enough to last that many miles! They have yet to build a car with a hood that fits properly and driving the Model 3 requires chiropractic treatment!
Maybe after years of driving your car you can buy a new car without the battery. Like a 1 time payment for the battery and just swich the battery pack from car to car for your life. First tesla 100k second 30k without battery. Wold make sense to me and way less battery waist
Anyone who belives a word EM says must be pretty gullible person.
!My outlook on money changed when I realized someone making $300,000 can retire broke & someone making $80,000 can retire a multi-millionaire. With the current market movement, you have $100,000 to invest.. Where are you investing it?
Money advice varies, but planning is key. Exposed to personal finance early, I started working at 19, bought my first home at 28, faced job loss at 36 during COVID. Consulting a CFP helped grow my finances. Currently, I'm 25% short of my $5m goal.
That is just amazing! Could you please tell me about your Certified Financial Planner (CFP)? This year, I'm considering some financial changes.
Yes, Andras Bohm made headlines in 2020, but I'm not sure if I can bring him up in this context. he manages my portfolio and acts as a counselor for me.
PLEASE ADVISE.
What is the most reliable medium to reach him please?
Run a quick online research with his name..
There are magnetic perpetual motion designs that don't use the incredible amount of natural resources a battery does. They won't develop it because they want "money" by selling parts and repair services.