✅ NEW! T-Mobile's External Antenna - 5G Home Internet Arcadyan TMO-G4AR vs Waveform - Is it Faster?
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
- At last! T-Mobile releases a $99 external 4x4 MIMO Antenna for their G4AR and G4SE gateways with external SMA ports. Antennas can greatly improve signal and internet speed. Lets test out this new antenna vs my tried and true Waveform 4x4 MIMO panel and the stock T-Mobile 5G Home Internet Arcadyan G4AR gateway. Internet speed tests with ping compared. How much faster is it? See this and more in the video. T-Mobile just release a new gateway with a KEY feature, external antenna ports for easy install. This is the Arcadyan TMOG4AR gateway with a MediaTek T750 modem chipset. It supports numerous 5G and 4G bands including Carrier Aggregation for the potential for huge speeds. Lets compare it to the Sagemcom 5688W, KVD21 and Nokia 5G21 gateway that T-mobile offers. Note customers typically don't have a say in which gateway they recieve, all 4 are currently being sent to customers. Consider subscribing to the channel or looking below for more content!
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I guess I'm lucky that I have a T-Mobile tower 1 street over from my house. I've had the service for 3 months now and have had Excellent service with no interruptions. I'm very happy I dropped Spectrum and signed up with T-Mobile.
I finally got tmobil, good bye spectrum
I dropped Charter Spectrum!
TMobile going on 4 years now ! Love it ! No problems
Nokia 5G21 unit since 2020
Great video. Very thorough testing methodology, and very helpful visualization of your results. Thank you!!
Glad it was helpful!
I'm using same T-Mobile gateway as in your Video for 2 of my RV parks they are about 7 acers each any ideas on the best way to extend the signal?
Smash the 👍 for Nater and his strong work here for you and our growing community. He saves everyone time, money, and perhaps what mileage you might expect. Lots of views here… so let’s have lots of 👍. 💯💪😊
How easy is it to hack these gateways, can anyone pick up a phone take a picture and there in, someone needs to put this to the test because security is what everyone wants. not hackable equipment that is trash. And it's no Comcast modem, at least they have security features, T-Mobile has the money, credit to buy the best technology and they won't, there a problem with customer service and speed is the best but security would be a lot better for everyone's wallets. People need to discuss this with them on social media. Because you can tell them to get new modems or the best gateway but the new CEO sucks. You have a good channel. One of the best 💯
Very excited for this one. I live in NY state. Internet here is very slow, only 1mbps DSL. But I am looking at Tmobile Home internet. Very excited.
DSL is hardly worth the time. I had it once only because there was nothing else available. Better than dial up, but just barely.
Definitely better than nothing if using it for a building like a barn or other metal building. I’ve got a barn where my service is 0 in there… SOS mode always. But with something like this it would at least allow you to mount externally even through a wall on a ground floor to get better signal. Definitely would be best to be up higher and aimed at a tower. Which like you said would require better and longer cable. But as you showed, the Waveform will still rule them all. So would be up to the user to decide to buy a “upgrade” like the waveform. Great video.
agreed!
OMG, thank you. I had not heard about this. I am calling them now!
An outdoor antennae should be in the work maybe
Good luck. That won't send me anything but the same gateway I already have even though I only get 3 bars of signal. My phone gets full signal
Got the wave form 4x4 and it made huge difference in speed with T-Mobile Hotspot Home Internet. Seeing speeds up to 130mbps. Problem is T-Mobile just drops out completely from time to time. Not sure what to do about this. I think its just the tower can't keep up in our area.
Thank you for the honest review. You have saved a lot of people money and trouble that would not help them.
You're welcome, thanks for watching!
@NaterTater spoke with TMobile today. They dont offer this new modem and antenna in my area. TMobile also has to put you on a diff plan with this modem. Is there an antenna for the black TMobile modem?
Love your show and have learned a lot! I have the original gateway from early 2022. I live in a motorhome. How would you suggest I position/mount the Waveform? Thanks again.
Thanks, good to hear. If you have the Waveform Mini, its omnidirectional so there is no "aiming" but placing it outside would be the best. The QuadPro would require aiming it towards th tower at each campsite. I would probably recommend something like the pepwave 40G which is designed for RV/truck, shown here: ua-cam.com/video/89nx10efdxU/v-deo.html
Did you try different combinations of cable connections like you did with the Waveform?
I did not since tmobile specifically tuned and define the cable order. Can be a future experiment though!
I drive a truck and go all over. This is awesome. I was on hwy 93 in Nevada to Twin Falls, ID.. verizon no service. Turn it on and got service. It was a little spotty. But for the most part I had service
Nice video. I have same gateway. Excellent Signal but poor connection
well with the antenna VS the trashcan,wouldnt you be pointing all 4 antennas in same direction instead on just 1? ....im still on trashcan nok
I just got this for testing as well Nate and I agree the external didn't really help. I could see this possibly helping if someone had a cathedral ceiling with those windows up very high and them having the gateway down on a table with the cable going essentially straight up the wall and mounting the antenna there in the window but that's the only niche I can imagine it being helpful in. I did read into the gateway some and discovered the gateway has multiple configurations for its internal antennas. It said if it gets a very positive lock the gateway can switch to an internal directional antenna that faces the back of the gateway. When this happens, the home internet app will change from saying "Omnidirectional" to "Directional" and they claim the signal metrics will improve when this happens, but I haven't been able to replicate it yet as I have pretty poor signal at my home. Could you maybe sit the gateway up on the waveform 4x4 with the back facing the same direction as the waveform and see if it will switch? I'm just brain storming and trying to think of an ideal scenario to make it happen and we know your waveform is lined up well.
Great idea! Thanks for sharing your experience with the antenna too. I'll see if I can get mine to switch to directional.
@@NaterTater Awesome! Thank you for everything you do! You've helped make my home internet experience much better!
Hi, just dropped in here to say that today 11/16/23, we ordered T Mobile fixed wireless internet service to hopefully replace our poor 10 Mbps DSL wire line service. The rep said we are getting the new Sercomm G4SE modem. It has the Qualcomm modem chip set instead of the Mediatek modem chip set in the Arcadyan G4AR. Don't know if that will make a difference. We are just less than a mile from two different N41 T Mobile towers in almost opposite directions. Will be interesting to see where our best signal comes from and if we need to add the Waveform 4x4 mimo antenna. I don't like putting all our eggs in one basket, (Cell Service and Wireless Internet) with the same carrier, but our only other option was Spectrum, and I would rather not go there.
Should be good!
Oh, this dude is talking in my language I have to sub lol
Thanks Nate! I have the Acadyn KVD21. I am more remote than usual, struggling to get B71. Sounds like the Small Waveform might be more beneficial than the Pepwave 40G based on speed tests? Im good either way and have suitable sites for mounting up top or in the side. Thoughts? I’ve spent a lot of time trying to improve internet access. Thank you so much!
If you've been struggling with signal then I'd put a QuadPro outdoors aimed at the tower. That would be your best performance ua-cam.com/video/RFZBbSg_pzE/v-deo.html
Hey, I noticed at 12:42 you showed a cable pass thru. What is it called & where can I get one? I like the clean & neat look
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Thank you. I'm trying to decide whether I get an overall non carrier specific booster or the waveform for my fast 5688w.
An antenna normally outperforms a booster ua-cam.com/video/bboYE4qcfDM/v-deo.html
Im getting 380 down and 40 up with the older one. No need to change since there is still no way to host my own site or to be able to monitor my security cameras. Bummer. No Im not going to do the hack work arounds. I just want control like I do with my regular provider. Nice to see a new one coming out. Maybe later I'll buy the new one without being on a waiting list.
Nate, I just upgraded from the kvd21 to the G4-AR and it will be here next week. Hoping to get a little more speed and overall performance do you think that will happen?. My tower is only about a few hundred yards from my home. I currently get 4 bars if that matters hoping to get a little better signal with the tower being this close.
Yes. Kvd21 has been the slowest
I've gotten really good uploads with the 2nd router and addgaurd blocker.
Every connector, like ur 90 degree, impose a db signal loss, from 1 to 3 db. So do not add if u can avoid.
Yes, I think good 90 deg adapters are more like 0.4dB but I agree every joint and ft of cable is the wrong direction to be going.
Hey nate, When are you going to get your hands on the Tmo Sercomm G4SE Gateway that looks very similar to the Arcadyan G4AR?
I havent tried yet. They make it so hard to get specific gateways!
I’ve heard that some low-e coatings on modern windows can interfere with cell signal, also aluminum screens can interfere. Do your windows have either?
Those are true statements but my windows are not low e and the screens that i have on some windows are fiberglass.
Hi Nate, I have an M6 Mi-Fi and an M6 pro Mi-Fi and I have a Verizon Sim in one and a T-Mobile Sim in the other. What antenna would you recommend I use, I swap back-and-forth between the two units sometimes.
I think those have 2 TS-9 ports for an antenna so that means they support a 2x2. If you plan to use them in a mostly stationary location where you know where to point the antenna then I'd go with a Wavefrom 2x2 panel. Use can use code NaterTater for 5% off (cant combine with other sales). www.waveform.com/products/2x2-mimo-panel-kit?variant=39937457291367
So you would recommend the waveform over the t mobile antenna thanks for your input !!!!!
Absolutely 💯
Hi Nater, I was really interested in your channel. Quick question: How do I turn off wifi on the G4AR ? I can not find any on your video. Since I have my own router, which needs to setup. Thank you.
Hi, yes you can use the hint app: ua-cam.com/video/Qy-f8xfPk4s/v-deo.html
Please explain what you are doing at the start. Took a while to figure out what you were testing and why ... a cell phone signal booster, not a wifi router... or is wifi the thing you plugged into? . Good review measurement wise.
This video is not a cell phone booster. Its an external antenna for the t-mobile home internet gateway which receives cellular signal and broadcast wifi in the house.
Thanks!
On the tmobile antenna is the bracket on the signal side or is the signal side the opposite of the bracket thanks
Opposite. White plastic face is towards the tower.
I've got a question, and I'm hoping to find help here. I've got the new T-Mobile gateway you reference in the video. Is it worth it to get the 2x2 Waveform antenna? I cannot afford to depend $400 on the 4x4 antenna at this time.
It is absolutely not worth it. Must get the 4x4. ua-cam.com/video/RU0yrPR2qzg/v-deo.html
I need to be 65 ‘ away looking to put it outside. When i run a speed test with my 5g iPhone 13 Pro max i am downloading at 700mbits and 20 up. Will the length of that cable attenuate the signal snd degrade it. My plan was to attach the 4 extender cables on the mimo antenna.
Any thoughts?
Antenna cable length and quality is very important. Waveform suggest staying within 30ft but that can be extended somewhat by going to higher quality cable. You are much better off having the gateway closer and running ethernet/wifi to get to where you need to go.
T-Mobile needs an outdoor rated antenna with an integrated modem on POE. You avoid all the RF loss by using long coaxial cables. Of course, its not quite as customer friendly. Most non-tech saavy people expect a modem/router combo from their ISP anymore it seems.
True
They dont let us switch to the modem gateway with the ports so their antenna is worthless to those of us that addedour own ports to our gateway voiding the warranty. Would love to put mine back together and send back for the ported one. But that is not an option.
Do you know of a way to turn the Wi-Fi off if you’re using another Wi-Fi network in your house? For instance, I’m using a UniFi network and would not like the Wi-Fi broadcasting on this unit
Yes, try the HINT app ua-cam.com/video/Qy-f8xfPk4s/v-deo.html
I am 1/2 mile from the nearest node serving my location. Due to Nater, I have switched to TMHI and am getting great speeds down and up. Im not sure this would make it any better. I get 4 out of 5 bars but a -85dbm signal, but it may
Sounds like you have a good arrangement as is!
Can you tell us how to disable the WiFi on that new TMO-G4AR? Will this be the same as the old one you did before?
I havent tried but I think the HINT app works on it: ua-cam.com/video/Qy-f8xfPk4s/v-deo.html
Hello Nater Tater! I'm a recent switch from centurylink to tmobile here in Las Vegas, unfortunately the DL speeds have been spotty with the Nokia gateway that was provided for free, would you recommend I switch to a different gateway overall that accepts this antenna vs my Nokia? My current average DL speeds are 15mbps & often cutting out during peak hours
I’m sure he will recommend one of his sponsorships but I can tell you that you probably won’t gain anything . I’ve got magenta max plan and I test speeds all over Las Vegas when I travel there . My Magenta Max plan in an iPhone 14 has barely usable speeds in many places of LasVegas . There is just so much population and so much congestion that even my priority plan lags in the city . Even at the airport next to the tower I have mediocre speeds . I don’t care what you do or what you buy you can’t get past the millions of tourists using the towers 24/7 ….
@romanj7607 unfortunately I have heard from more than on TMHI user complaining about deprioritization specifically in Las Vegas. That means your options are limited. The nokia is very sensitive to location so I'd highly encourage you to mess with gateway placement and orientation. You can also experiment with bringing the gateway outside and high to see if that improves things. If it does than an antenna outside could help.
@nctbgs ouch! I can potentially get commission if people buy products from my links (at the seller's expense, often you/viewers also get a discount) but I don't have any channel sponsors or get paid to make advertisements/push products. In many videos I often buy products/services out of pocket (like everything in this video, I paid MSRP for the tmobile antenna and pay "MSRP" monthly for 7 WISP to do my testing). Sometimes I do get products for free for testing.
@NaterTater thank you for the prompt response! Tmobile offered me a prepaid debit that was extremely generous & is the reason for the switch, but it seems like it's not going to work out, centurylink wasn't blazing fast but I reliably achieved 50mbps w/ fixed payments, cox is the best but only provides fiber internet in certain areas & once their introductory price is up people are often blindsided w/ the exorbitant costs of the service, I guess it comes with living in Las Vegas, oh well, thank you once again!
spent 4 hours trying to get one, couldnt get at the same address even with new line, and they said if i cancel i have to wait 90 days before i can open a new account.. lame
Mr. Tater any ideas why my T-Mobile home Internet for about 3 years was dang near excellent and a month ago literally did not work. T-Mobile exchanged the silver tubular tower for the black Fast 5688W model. Shows connection good to verygood as the old device did but getting actual devices to work rough.
not sure, sounds like maybe a defective gateway?
I have the Arcadyan and it’s been giving me problems last few days. I plan on going into the store to get a new modem. Should I demand the new white one or stick with the arkadyan? Any advice?
It's worth going and and trying to swap but the store will only be able to give you what they have in stock. I dont think they have these in stock at stores yet but they mights. ua-cam.com/video/r1wlZkPLMpI/v-deo.html
hello i have tmobile and the waveform mimo 4x4 and it does boost me but my speeds tend to get worse through out the day around 4-12. Should i exchange my 5g router for this new one?
That is likely due to congestion so a new gateway wont help. A 3rd party gateway that allows you to bandlock could help. Which gateway do you have?
Would sure like to see you hook your waveform the the AT&T Internet air unit...instructions to do so on their web sight to see the performance difference....just ordered the Periodic 4x4 because my son is struggling to do gaming with Internet Air...I am SO hopeful that it will increase and stabilize both upload speeds and ping/latency...we have little other options in our area...
I plan to!
An update on installing the 4x4 periodic on the Internet Air unit. All went as planned per instructions....used the #2 set of connection points from their instructions after playing around with it ( have a clear sight view of the tower 1.2 miles away) have been able to not necessarily dramatically increase the download speeds, but did increase the upload speeds and a more healthy stable ping allowing for PS5 game play 30-70 ping stable vs 30-250 wild swings we had before. Im getting around 40-150 download and 30 to 75 upload. they claim 40 to 140 without the antenna which was not stable we were seeing upload speeds sometime bellow 1mbps jumping to mabe 20.@@NaterTater
So, you can buy the T-Mobile modem with external ports, and put a different/better antenna two stories up on a roof?
Yes. Check out my other videos with example
One question is what type of coaxial do you use to connect the antenna please?
The waveform kit comes with a LMR195-UF equivalent cable and that's what I used in this video. get 5% off collabs.shop/trqypw
Hi Nate, Great Video! I've had COX Internet for years . . . ($89.99 a month - 1.25 TB cap) and slow (but I need to update my 10 year old Modem and Router . . . Prefer to buy then rent theirs.) I'm a HEAVY USER and average 500 GB a month! I'm within my 15 days of trying out T-Mobile Home Internet with the G4AR. I'm worried that with that heavy data usage TM will slow me down to a crawl after I hit 50GB. Should I be concerned and plan of sticking with my expensive COX fiber service? I hate buffering!! I can't find any answers on the web on this?? Thank you for your knowledge on this.
If you have t-mobile 5G Home Internet Unlimited plan (not the Lite plan) then there is no data cap or throttling due to data usage. Their "unlimited" hotspot and phone plans often do throttling after 50GB. Many users including myself are much heavier data hogs than you.
Hello just purchased Tmobile internet. First hook up around 4:00 o clock my down load Mbps was around 97 uploads around 37. By 7:30 it dropped to 4 mbps downloads, up loads 23 kbps. The swing is unacceptable. Can the signal be more stable ?
It can be but not with the tmobile antenna. Waveform Cellular Antennas for T-Mobile and Verizon Home Internet: ua-cam.com/play/PL8d9FovK2dNS1HuMabIm8hspYa7nlXpPP.html
I recently got a tmobile 5g internet... black box... im getting 3 bars at best... at best location speeds vary from 30-50mbps on the low end to 300mbps on the high end. mostly it gets 10-20mbps down except for rare occasions it gets on a download optimized band and i get 1mbps for a short time. Pings are my issue id like to see improvement on. speed test pings are 21-55 which is solid but real world ping times in games and remote computing will mostly be in the 70s-90s which is reasonable but occasionally go up into the 190s. It rarely if ever breaks 200ms... but im looking for more consistency in the
This $99 tmobile antenna is worthless. The waveform 4x4, especially when placed outdoors does significantly drop ping based ok my testing. ua-cam.com/video/IEvWOywIh1Q/v-deo.html
Curious if it’s pointing into the house suctioned on a window or it matters at all
at those frequencies, EVERYTHING matters! the antenna MUST be outside to get the proper benefit.
Well its omnidirectional so the pointing doesn't matter but yes outside is certainly better than indoors.
Whats the difference in price in the WF external and the tmo external
WF 4x4 panel antenna (no cables) is $100 more
How did you get your hands on one of these gateways? I called customer support and they told me I could only request one due to limited availability, my local store said they don’t even sell them at the stores.
There only for new customers and can only get the chance to get one ordering online or over the phone
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I know a way 😁
@@bryantgarcia1326 how? I want the new arc it would be nice for rural user
@@bryantgarcia1326 Yes how? I am a rural T-Mobile home internet user. About a month ago my signal was almost non-existent where 3 years before was excellent. T-Mobile says tower congestion which is BS.
What about RVr's? The buzz word is MOBILE which means MOVING, can I use this service on the road?
T-mobile home internet terms of service specify a stationary location.
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Is this one better than the Cradlepoint E320
T mobile offer me ?
yes probably
? Will you be making a video on the Total wireless home Internet as well
no plans but it is essentially the same as the straight talk plan here: ua-cam.com/video/0fsfrFfZk1Q/v-deo.html
How do one get the acadian gateway I called few times they refused to switch mine
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How did you get the external antenna?
ordered it on tmobile.com
The Tater saving me 99 bucks!! Thanks much 👍
come on, give me full credit! It cost me $106 with tax! 🤣
Not sure how he saved you? Are you saying the product is junk and not worth buying?
Correct
Just got T-Mobile home internet and it’s wayyyy slower then our spectrum. Im only getting 2(mainly) to 3 out of 5 bars of service no matter where I put it in the house and I’m getting 30mbps download and .50 - .60mbps upload. And I cannot play my game on my computer because I’m getting 700 ping instead of 35ping. Spectrum I’m getting 100+ to 200mbps download and 10-11mbps upload and I can play my game just fine. T-Mobile had us buy a google nest to boost Wi-Fi and it’s done nothing. What should we do? Cancel their internet and stay with spectrum?
Yes
How did you get the new Gateway? I called a few weeks ago and T-Mobile told me it was not available yet. Is that a review unit? I'm sticking with my Waveform setup. Do you think it is worth getting the T-Mobile Gateway instead of using my Chester Cheetah Gateway? I'm not seeing any advantage at this point in time.
ua-cam.com/video/r1wlZkPLMpI/v-deo.html absolutely keep your cheetah over any tmobile gateway!
Hey Nater! I ran into an issue with Roku. Roku will not recognize DNS channels 52 to 140. The nine 5 GHz channels supported by Roku devices and TVs are 36, 40, 44, 48, 149, 153, 157, 161, and 165. Some time ago You turned me on to HINT control. That app easily allowed me to change my 5G from Auto to channel 40 on my home internet router. Therefore I am giving you a donation.
Awesome! Glad you got it figured out. Thank you
Sorry if I missed it but is the new white router better than the Arkadyn?
Yes if you want to hookup a waveform 4x4 antenna
Do you know if tmoblie has firmware locked 3rd party antennas? I just got this for myself and have read some stuff and heard from tmoblie representatives that the gateway will only recognize tmoblie antennas?
That's a lie. Any 3rd party antenna works. I've tested many: Waveform Cellular Antennas for T-Mobile and Verizon Home Internet: ua-cam.com/play/PL8d9FovK2dNS1HuMabIm8hspYa7nlXpPP.html
Okay good to know thank you.
Finding the T-Mobile antenna to be flaky, Having a hard time getting it to switch to the external antenna despite being located next to the unit which get's a signal easily at least for 4g. I connected all 4 antennas. It did eventually connect to the external antennas, but performance was subpar despite showing and "Excellent" 4g and good 5G. Any tips on this issue?
The t-mobile antenna as shown in this video does not perform well in my testing.
05:10 Have you tested it outdoors since the antenna is rated for outdoors? For the window mount, don't most windows have a coating plus you would have a window screen attenuating the signal. It looks like this antenna is not going to be too much of an improvement if any in a relatively good signal area like you have. Overall though, another commenter said it best that a POE outdoor antenna is what's needed, but I wonder if T-Mobile would even allow that because of the uplink signal impact on the aggregate of all users registered on that sector. Your SINR results were interesting too. I've seen this many times in the past where you get a slightly better antenna and cable run which increases desired signals, but unfortunate it also increases levels of undesired noise even more sometimes. Really cool video and side by sides. Thanks for posting.
I've done many tests outdoors vs my attic and indoors. This antenna would do slightly better outdoors than my attic but it would continue to underperform the waveform 4x4 and the 6ft cable and connectors is not weather rated. Low e windows can degrade signal. In my case the antenna was on the tower side of the window and thus the signal did not go through the window. There is no PoE antenna as the signal cannot go over ethernet. You could do a PoE modem/router outside and send ethernet indoors though.
@@NaterTater I didn't really explain that right. I'm talking about a T-mobile making their home internet solution more like PTP radios that have the radio integrated into the antenna and mounted outdoors. POE powers the radio and provides the network link to an indoor Wi-Fi Gateway. You get the best of all worlds: outdoor antenna, virtually eliminate RF line loss, and provide users with >300ft of flexibility for locating the radio/antenna unit in the optimal position outside or in an attic.
@Redneck_Ed yea, that is what verizon offers with their lv65 outdoor receiver.
@@NaterTater I didn't know that. I'm really interested in all of this, so I'm subscribed now and will be watching some of your videos. It looks like you have a really good library of content. Thanks so much for the replies!
I think for an apples to apples comparision, the device needs to be in the window when testing the internal antenna
my low E windows block radio waves. the 'windows' are good. is if you have older windows. Mine sits in the master bathroom, up on the the cabinet, there's no windows nearby.
We have Metro by T-Mobile service . If we decided to get 5g home internet and place the antenna outside , we could get around 500mbps .
Good speed!
@@NaterTater I did some speed tests and that's about what my phone gets depending where I'm at outside .
Good review - I agree I don't see the point of that thing.
can you turn off the WiFi on this gateway? Or enable Bridge Mode?
You can turn off wifi: ua-cam.com/video/Qy-f8xfPk4s/v-deo.html but no bridge mode.
What’s up with T-Mobile 5g I’m getting 500 average mbps without antenna did they upgrade
Yes they did
Are you still offering a discount promo code for wave format antenna?
Use code NaterTater
NATE TATER I have this one but my stand looks completely different than yours. Which yours is better than what mine has.
Interesting. I haven't seen another one.
@NaterTater Just to clarify. I am talking about the wifi modem box. I also looked at mine and it does look like yours. But mine came with a swivel stand that clips to the bottom. It's weird how they made it because it seems like if you had cables plugged into it then the swivel stand would block all but maybe one and the power cord.
@NaterTater I am having a HUGE problem with the Ethernet ports just not putting out anything randomly. I have gone through 5 ethernet cables and now 3 modems. I have tried the Nokia, the Fast5688W and have yet to try the KVD or the newest one. I am so frustrated. These modems are trash! Nokia overheats without a fan. Best modem I have had and they don't sell it anymore. The Fast 5688W is absolute hot garbage. And i haven't tried the KVD. Considering the number of them on ebay, i am worried that the KVD modems suck too . what do i do ?
Yep, they're annoying. I'd suggest a 3rd party gateway. 5G Cellular Router Modem Gateways - Tested and Reviewed: ua-cam.com/play/PL8d9FovK2dNS2ihT56gySpU49V4kRHn_U.html
So after all the extra stuff you have to buy is it still cheaper than cable.
Yes because cabke is $18k quote to START service!
So I get about 50-100mbps download and 4 upload with tmobile internet. Just 2 miles away on my phone I get over 200. Would this help get those faster 5g signals or am I out of luck. Our current internet we get about 250mbps and 24 upload, but we paying double of what this would cost us.
You can certainly improve the speed with an external antenna but as I show in this video, this is NOT the antenna you want. See ua-cam.com/video/RFZBbSg_pzE/v-deo.html
@@NaterTater thx. I'll check it out
Nate: Thanks for all of the videos they have been extremely helpful. I order T-Mobile for business and it isn't going well. 2-3 Mbps download and virtually no upload. My objective is to switch to a Peplink 5G router for my MotorHome but working through the T-Mobile issues. I called the business tech support line and ended up getting a new modem sent to me. The Tech support rep said the new one has much more capability including gaming and streaming, port forwarding etc. Not sure if you tested this one yet, but I was told only business tech support can send it out. Comes with 30 day free trial and a $50 gift card after 30 days. Inseego WavemakerTM 5G indoor router FX2000. It is being overnighted will arrive tomorrow. Do you have any info on this router?? Thanks
Yes, i have a fx2000. Its OK, not comparable to a peplink at all (peplink is better). The external antenna ports are worthless for the US. Small device, ok reception and ok wifi, nothing to write home about. Way more settings than the TMHI offerings though.
It's entirely possible that T-Mobile purposely introduced a new gateway that performs NOT as well as the previous and as a result will be saving TONS and TONS of data bandwidth over the corse of a year ..... but it performs well enough for most any customers needs (generally speaking) ..... and as for the external antenna ... same thing there.... its an improvement but not a LOT .... if may shine in an area with very crappy signal but that's all..... I will be testing one from a friend soon on my waveform here at my place...
how about using an antenna extension with the tmobile
That can be done but it would only further degrade performance.
What I don’t understand is why they won’t let they’re older customers who don’t get good reception buy the white router modem. I tried, but they wouldn’t let me.
How can you get an cable extension?
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Is the G4AR faster than the KVD21 in terms of speed?
G4ar is faster
They won't send me the G4AR. They keep sending me old gateways.
They won’t ever send me a new one either.
How did you get the new t mobile router ?
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Have you experimented with 5G signal boosters on the waveform antenna?
What do you mean? If you have an external antenna there is no point in a booster. A 4x4 MIMO will outperform a booster.
I thought possibly adding a booster would increase the signal after the antenna receives the signal
@bccicone that does work for things like TV antennas but there arent boosters for a MIMO setup
Auh ok thx
i just got this gateway and an antenna im pushing around 10-40 mbs download and like 5-15 upload, how can I make it faster i want like 100+ mbs download and upload
What antenna did you get? Waveform Cellular Antennas for T-Mobile and Verizon Home Internet: ua-cam.com/play/PL8d9FovK2dNS1HuMabIm8hspYa7nlXpPP.html
@@NaterTater i got the 4x4 mimo from waveform, it definitely helped it but my ping was 40 before and now it’s still like 40 i seen a video from peter caricone or something when he got the invisagig and looked into his bands and set his bands on his router but idk it’s all sorts of all over the place i don’t know what i need to buy or who to talk to i’ve been watching your channel off and on for maybe even a year now and idk I guess i expected ky ping to go from 40/60 in game to like 20-30 even if i had to get a router i know verizon’s a lot better if a service around here but they don’t offer that here so idk I wish i could just pay an internet guy or one of these 5g youtubers to just screen share my pc and tell me what my internet problem is and how to improve it 😂
Being a HAM radio operator I can tell you that Height is more important for an antenna. The window 6 feet away from you equipment means nothing. That antenna should come with 50 to 75 feet of coax cable and a rooftop mount. Or an attick mount for those in a HOA.
Height is one factor for sure and I intentionally showed the (lack of) performance with it just 6ft away because that's how the antenna comes from t-mobile. Higher outside though is not always the best if it introduces more interference from other sources and 50+ feet of coax effectively negates the dB gain of the antenna so you need to keep the distance much shorter. SINR is a bigger factor for 5G data throughput than outright signal strength.
Anyone know if you can upgrade for free from the black trashcan they originally provided?
You cant swap. ua-cam.com/video/r1wlZkPLMpI/v-deo.html
Do you have low-e glass in your window? If so, it could hurt your signal.
i dont
@@NaterTater Wow. That T-Mobile antenna really is underwhelming.
@@wads_o_hair yep
How is this in comparison with HiBoost Cellphone Signal Booster?
Boosters are very different than an antenna. Also this tmo antenna stinks. Here's a comparison ua-cam.com/video/bboYE4qcfDM/v-deo.html
@@NaterTater thank you. I watched that earlier as well. I am going to save up for waveform but G4AR apparently is not available yet in my area.
Have T-mobile trash can speeds can be good on download but varies BADLY, earlier had spinning wheel reboot ran two quick tests
downloads 74 then 107 uploads 0 then 9 Had issues where 10 pm until 10-11am it would get no service after call T-mobile verified issue ( an actual US support) things got better for a few weeks but now starting to see outages. Always two bars B66 & N41 (5g)
RSRP less than -100 for both. At least Two neighbors dropped service because of issues.
1. will good external antenna help?
2. does AT&T, Verizon gateway have plugs for external antenna?
Not sure of capability of adding external antenna as I am over 70 to existing Trash can
3. Will you be getting the 6g on beta from what I have read 6g seems to solve speed issues ( issue will be tower updates)
4. is there a way to see latest firmware for a gateway? I have two towers in area but am always on a specific one
lots of questions there! a Waveform antenna will help. att and verizon gateways have to be taken apart to add an antenna but all can be tricked to use a 3rd party gateway with antenna ports. ua-cam.com/play/PL8d9FovK2dNS2ihT56gySpU49V4kRHn_U.html 6G cellular is years away. latest firmware: ua-cam.com/video/drj8mzjdMGo/v-deo.html
thanks for quick response, sorry for lots of questions but did not to have to ask over & over
looks like I will get one, another question have Nokia attached to Mesh , can I shutoff WIFI and will that help.
interesting tried moving (got no improvement) moved back now LTE is on B2@@NaterTater
Have tired everything to get this modem TMO-G4AR even going to the executive office and they gave me blah blah blah if we do a modem replacement our system will replace it with the same modem you have??? 1 mile from a tower I can get 300-400 in my drive way, down to 50's once in my house (urban city)
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Well,just called Customer Care earlier.Said need the New Gateway with Ant connections because when trees leaf out signal drops...NOT Really though...LOL !
She said could NOT simply Swap Out....BUT could Get New Gateway,Line,SIM,Etc and when all set up,recieve Shipping Label for KVD21 to ship back.Then that line will be Canceled,leaving me just the new Line,Gateway! Should get it in couple days...
So i wont need the external antenna just the internal one
The tmobile external antenna did not prove useful in my testing. Waveform antennas are
It's a great device, but mixing the white box with the black screen is ugly, they should have kept the all black design or switched to all white.
Does the router have 2.5Gb/s Ethernet port?
both 1gig ports
@@NaterTater thanks for the reply. Does it have Wi-Fi 6E?
@@donski1519 no. Wifi 6