@@LiamMulholland oh wow. I did not know that. I've been looking at the second hand market a lot more lately. I like the Schumacher Speedmasters for around $3.5k.
I tried it on many times at boutiques. Every time, it just didn't look all that good. Then one day I saw it on someone's wrist sitting across from me at a meeting table. It looked GORGEOUS, at once manly and luxurious with just the right amount of glint. I bought it a few weeks later and never regretted it since. There had to be something about a department store boutique lighting that made the dial look rough, and the vinyl wraps didn't help either. You need to see this in the metal, and you need to see it in the wild, being worn rather than displayed.
100% my experience. Tried it multiple times in different boutiques. I was doubting my decision but finally pulled the trigger because it had my sights for it for years. In my hands, it is a thing of beauty. I love it more every single day.
@@sanghoonlee5171 I guess it just appeals to some people more than others. I've seen it many times in the wild. It just doesn't do anything for me. Maybe one day it will, but I won't buy it until then.
Great video! Just watched this after meeting you briefly on the plane from SLC. I really enjoyed the history, opinions, and comparison you provided in this video
A real banger! Personally the heselite is my pick looks. Side by side it's a no brainer for me but it is a tasty movement to behold....the modern Speedy dilemma.. ...
Easily my favorite watch I’ve ever owned. Out of all my watches it beats my Rolex, GP, Ap, Seiko. It’s just the perfect balance of tool watch, luxury and historical importance.
I’ve owned the SS 3861 for just over a year now. It’s my only luxury watch, and I’m not mad about that. Never gets old to me and it’s a joy to wind every evening before bed for me!
The JLC Geophysic 1958 in Platinum for the win. 100WR, shock and magnetic resistance. Great lume. Stealth wealth. Originally design to celebrate the 1957 International Geophysic Year.
In a thousand years your descendants will search in vain for any Patek, any Rolex, any Breitling, any mechanical watch or any watch at all in any museum or showroom. Buy a Speedy, explain its provenance to your children, tell its story, wear it with them, let them push the buttons, show them how it measures speed, and when they are ready, hand it down. All the other “watches” will be lost under the sands of time but your descendants will see their speedy’s brother on Aldrin’s wrist and at any important museum of human exploration. I grew up in the space race in the 60s. My wife gave me my Hesalyte 1861 on our 40th. It is not iconic. It is The Only Watch.
If I were to get a Speedy, I'd get the Saphire Sandwich. If I'm going to spend that much on a watch, I want to see the movement, especially this movement.
I bought a sapphire speedy last thursday. And man, I've owned a lot of swiss watches including Rolex but this speedy hits different. It's just perfect. It is so much more beautiful in real life than on photo's by the way. I can't name a single thing that should be changed or something that I dislike. I can't see myself letting this piece go ever.
I've worn and enjoyed my hesalite 3861 daily for 3 years. Fantastic piece. Its the only watch I'll ever need. I recommend it to any collector. Get one.
Oh my goodness, the most iconic sports watch is the Rolex Submariner. Meaning that most people around the world will recognize it, the other watches that were mentioned are mostly popular amongst watch enthusiasts.
Wow careful … QC issues. Today I received my Omega Speedmaster 2 subdial 44mm .. in KL surprisingly saw a white spec at the edge of one of the subdials. Could have been paint or a tiny piece of plastic or even dust. Wonder what happening to Onega Quality control these days !!
I was not a fan of speedmaster until the moment I’ve tried it on my wrist. It has the right appeal to me, very pleasing to the eye and takes more time on the wrist than my Zenith Chronomaster sport, which is considered higher end watch in comparison with the speedy and has better build quality. It is not just the history, but the small details and improvements from model to model keeping design intact in general. 👍
I feel like I'm the only person that just doesn't understand the love for the Speedmaster. It just doesn't do it for me. It has a great story. I don't care for how it looks on the wrist. I watch every video like this hoping that something will change for me.
Well maybe you arent into Chronographs😂 cause Im not, but if I have to choose it would be Speedmaster or Tag Heuer Carrera. Its simple not overloaded like most Chronographs but not boring
Let's be honest, what we like is subjective, people will value aspects differently, story behind a watch, brand history, watch making capabilities, design, branding and marketing, popularity. Ultimately whatever you value is your preference and there will be something out there for you.
Will always be my favorite watch. My 3861 Sapphire Sandwich is the prize in my collection. I previously owned this Hesalite version, as well, but I ultimately decided I neeeded the SS
I love this watch although I do think the bracelet is extremely uncomfortable since the links are rounded on the inside and always leaves marks on my skin
I have a Speedy 57 and I'm so happy with the "flat link" that come with. I saw a video where a guy change the stock bracelet on the last speedmaster with the flat link from speedy 57. Maybe your problem will be solved
@@Manu-pn9vn100%. I’ve been waiting for Forstner to restock on their flat link bracelet so I can finally wear this watch in comfort! I love the look of the flat link as well!
I own and wear both. I find equal joy in both. And tbh, neither get recognised or commented on. But both deliver simple class to my mind. For me, ones the ultimate Dive watch, the other the ultimate Chrono.
So, ~ $7000 is the new retail price and ~ $3500 is the used price from about a decade ago and the price has really increased? Those are two different markets from two different time periods dude. You can't compare them at all. What's the used price now vs the retail price now?
I love mines but I do find the bracelet uncomfortable since the links are rounded on the inside and always digs into and leaves marks on my skin. Does this happen to you?
Wrong. Not even close. Wasn't even popular unil last 10 years or so, when hype train arrived. Having bought into hype train myself, I was left going…is this it? The best Rolex? Its gone now, I keep my subs, because they are pure class, but the daytona…a zenith copy at best.
@@gavinwhite9743 Subs are classic for sure especially with glidelock. The plain no date sub is the one for me. Zenith is a great brand. Chronomaster Revival Shadow is my favorite and they just came out with a matching bracelet for it.
I’ve had this one for 18 years. Last couple years it hasn’t left the safe. I just can’t stand its poor water resistance. A TRUE sports watch should at least be swimmable. I mean really. As an icon? Yes it’s iconic. But since I tend to go in water much more frequently than I go to the moon it’s not a daily true sports watch to me. One of these days it’ll go on the sale block.
I have a Sub Date (16610) and never thought I'd be drawn to a Speedy, but I tried one on last month and I can't get it out of my head. I may have to pull the trigger on a pre owned sandwich. I've read the comments about the bracelet, but honestly I found it to be as comfortable as the president bracelet on my Day Date.
@@likeDC79 How so? 50 metres is far deeper than most will go with their watches unless they are diving. 50 metres doesn’t just mean splash proof with Omega. The Speedmaster is rated for swimming. Take this info directly from Omega: “All current OMEGA watches are water resistant to the depth defined by the model specifications, provided that the components ensuring the water resistance are intact. This means that an OMEGA watch that is water resistant to 30 metres can be worn for swimming at depths of up to 30 metres underwater for extended periods without restriction.”
@@paulbonaventura4969 The company that actually designs, manufactures and tests the watches vs. “watch folks” on the internet. Factual information vs. opinion or regurgitated misinformation. I think you can figure out which information on the Speedmaster’s water resistance is valid.
@@paulbonaventura4969 So you can either believe the company that actually designs, manufactures and tests the watches or “watch folks” on the internet. Factual information vs. opinions and regurgitated misinformation.
why not consider IWC Pilot's Chronograph 41 as a competitor? Similar price range. I know the IWC doesn't have a tachymeter but it's still a high end chronograph from a luxury brand.
What can be said about this, that hasn't been said before! My eyes always first go to this first for some reason, even when placed against MUCH higher valued pieces.... It's the ultimate "One Watch", the ultimate "Strap Monster"... The entrance to the luxury watch, Rabbit Hole.
@@jeffmalm9708 200m water resistance is quite literally unnecessary for a non-dive watch. The Speedmaster can safely be worn 164 feet under water. If you plan on going deeper then wear a dive watch.
Definitely not. A watch that doesn’t have proper water resistance is at best a dress watch. To add on, it is too huge for most. The history of this watch is also now questionable given that US may have faked a moon landing. So all in all, I don’t think it is anywhere near the best or perfect sport watch. However, it is indeed a nice looking chronograph watch . Will be better if water resistance and sizing are enhanced
50 metres is far deeper than most will go with their watches unless they are diving. 50 metres doesn’t just mean splash proof with Omega. The Speedmaster is rated for swimming. Take this info directly from Omega: “All current OMEGA watches are water resistant to the depth defined by the model specifications, provided that the components ensuring the water resistance are intact. This means that an OMEGA watch that is water resistant to 30 metres can be worn for swimming at depths of up to 30 metres underwater for extended periods without restriction.”
The value of this watch is in the second hand market, you can get one of the new 3861 models for about 4.5-5k now, definitely worth it at that price.
Factz
@@LiamMulholland oh wow. I did not know that. I've been looking at the second hand market a lot more lately. I like the Schumacher Speedmasters for around $3.5k.
My Dad bought A Speedmaster around 1980.
He pased in1989.
I still wear that Watch every day...
Sell it
I will say, "No Thank You, and Good Day.
I tried it on many times at boutiques. Every time, it just didn't look all that good. Then one day I saw it on someone's wrist sitting across from me at a meeting table. It looked GORGEOUS, at once manly and luxurious with just the right amount of glint. I bought it a few weeks later and never regretted it since. There had to be something about a department store boutique lighting that made the dial look rough, and the vinyl wraps didn't help either. You need to see this in the metal, and you need to see it in the wild, being worn rather than displayed.
Had the same experience. Once you have it and/or see it in a different lighting than boutique it's amazing for whatever reason and a joy to wear.
100% my experience. Tried it multiple times in different boutiques. I was doubting my decision but finally pulled the trigger because it had my sights for it for years. In my hands, it is a thing of beauty. I love it more every single day.
@@sanghoonlee5171 I guess it just appeals to some people more than others. I've seen it many times in the wild. It just doesn't do anything for me. Maybe one day it will, but I won't buy it until then.
Great video! Just watched this after meeting you briefly on the plane from SLC. I really enjoyed the history, opinions, and comparison you provided in this video
I've owned my hesalite Speedy for 7 years now. Others have come & gone. This one is a keeper.
How has your face held up?
@@JohnConnor636 No issues withe hesalite crystal. It does get minor hairline scratches but they are easily removed with Polywatch.
@@shaunfarrier9060 thanks! I just picked mine up Friday.
Black and White 3861 front and centre of my collection. Ahead of my Sub and Batgirl.👏🇦🇺
This is so validating, I just got mine a few hours ago!
Congrats and enjoy!
Excellent!!
@@LuxLooks thanks, brother.
A real banger! Personally the heselite is my pick looks. Side by side it's a no brainer for me but it is a tasty movement to behold....the modern Speedy dilemma.. ...
Easily my favorite watch I’ve ever owned. Out of all my watches it beats my Rolex, GP, Ap, Seiko. It’s just the perfect balance of tool watch, luxury and historical importance.
Well said
Could get the white one a few days ago, absolutely love it!
I’ve owned the SS 3861 for just over a year now. It’s my only luxury watch, and I’m not mad about that. Never gets old to me and it’s a joy to wind every evening before bed for me!
It's a classically beautiful caliber. I do prefer a handwind when it's done well like this
The JLC Geophysic 1958 in Platinum for the win. 100WR, shock and magnetic resistance. Great lume. Stealth wealth.
Originally design to celebrate the 1957 International Geophysic Year.
I 100% agree!
The Speedy is the king of the kings!
Best watch of all time!
In a thousand years your descendants will search in vain for any Patek, any Rolex, any Breitling, any mechanical watch or any watch at all in any museum or showroom. Buy a Speedy, explain its provenance to your children, tell its story, wear it with them, let them push the buttons, show them how it measures speed, and when they are ready, hand it down. All the other “watches” will be lost under the sands of time but your descendants will see their speedy’s brother on Aldrin’s wrist and at any important museum of human exploration. I grew up in the space race in the 60s. My wife gave me my Hesalyte 1861 on our 40th. It is not iconic. It is The Only Watch.
It was about time someone talked about the Speedmaster
Youre kidding me, right?
I do what I can!
If I were to get a Speedy, I'd get the Saphire Sandwich. If I'm going to spend that much on a watch, I want to see the movement, especially this movement.
I bought a sapphire speedy last thursday. And man, I've owned a lot of swiss watches including Rolex but this speedy hits different. It's just perfect. It is so much more beautiful in real life than on photo's by the way. I can't name a single thing that should be changed or something that I dislike. I can't see myself letting this piece go ever.
The hesalite speedy was a game changer for me. True collection killer. Sold off many Rolex and the speedy has stayed
I've worn and enjoyed my hesalite 3861 daily for 3 years. Fantastic piece. Its the only watch I'll ever need. I recommend it to any collector. Get one.
It’s a great great watch 😊
Oh my goodness, the most iconic sports watch is the Rolex Submariner. Meaning that most people around the world will recognize it, the other watches that were mentioned are mostly popular amongst watch enthusiasts.
In your opinion.
That would be the sub
Wow careful … QC issues. Today I received my Omega Speedmaster 2 subdial 44mm .. in KL surprisingly saw a white spec at the edge of one of the subdials. Could have been paint or a tiny piece of plastic or even dust. Wonder what happening to Onega Quality control these days !!
Love your detailed reviews, Thank You 🙂
I appreciate that
I was not a fan of speedmaster until the moment I’ve tried it on my wrist. It has the right appeal to me, very pleasing to the eye and takes more time on the wrist than my Zenith Chronomaster sport, which is considered higher end watch in comparison with the speedy and has better build quality. It is not just the history, but the small details and improvements from model to model keeping design intact in general. 👍
Couldn't have said it better myself. Bravo👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I feel like I'm the only person that just doesn't understand the love for the Speedmaster. It just doesn't do it for me. It has a great story. I don't care for how it looks on the wrist. I watch every video like this hoping that something will change for me.
Well maybe you arent into Chronographs😂 cause Im not, but if I have to choose it would be Speedmaster or Tag Heuer Carrera. Its simple not overloaded like most Chronographs but not boring
It is very basic!
Boring watch. Sppedmaster dates from 20 years ago are better.
Let's be honest, what we like is subjective, people will value aspects differently, story behind a watch, brand history, watch making capabilities, design, branding and marketing, popularity. Ultimately whatever you value is your preference and there will be something out there for you.
Same here. Not a chrono guy. Can appreciate the story but have no desire to own one either
I love my 1863… 🖤🖤🖤
new bracelet changed the game
My dream watch. So happy I own one.
Omega Speedmaster? Never heard of it. Probably somebody should do a video of it.
Will always be my favorite watch. My 3861 Sapphire Sandwich is the prize in my collection. I previously owned this Hesalite version, as well, but I ultimately decided I neeeded the SS
I love Omega watches but I have never wanted a Speedmaster until the white dial came out.
I think the white dial is so good!
I love this watch although I do think the bracelet is extremely uncomfortable since the links are rounded on the inside and always leaves marks on my skin
I have a Speedy 57 and I'm so happy with the "flat link" that come with. I saw a video where a guy change the stock bracelet on the last speedmaster with the flat link from speedy 57.
Maybe your problem will be solved
@@Manu-pn9vn100%. I’ve been waiting for Forstner to restock on their flat link bracelet so I can finally wear this watch in comfort! I love the look of the flat link as well!
I would say it's the sub. Even non watch people will recognize it. They would have no idea a speedmaster is though.
I own and wear both. I find equal joy in both. And tbh, neither get recognised or commented on. But both deliver simple class to my mind. For me, ones the ultimate Dive watch, the other the ultimate Chrono.
So, ~ $7000 is the new retail price and ~ $3500 is the used price from about a decade ago and the price has really increased? Those are two different markets from two different time periods dude. You can't compare them at all. What's the used price now vs the retail price now?
My 1861 Speedmaster is a perfect watch in my eyes.
I love mines but I do find the bracelet uncomfortable since the links are rounded on the inside and always digs into and leaves marks on my skin. Does this happen to you?
@@LuxLooks Doesn’t do that to me but I also have huge wrists and don’t wear the bracelet super tight.
@@Zsmart17that’s awesome. I don’t wear it super tight either but it seems I can’t escape it
@LuxLooks I put mine on a high end sailcloth and wear it much more now.
Love your channel, but I’m so tired of speedmaster videos. Snooze fest. Still love your channel and appreciate your good reviews and commentary.
BS
The bracelet on the sapphire is awesome and not overly blingy.
The bulova lunar pilot is better in my opinion
Bruce at his best
As a owner of serval Omega watches including three Speedmaster variations I’d give the title to the Rolex Daytona.
Wrong. Not even close. Wasn't even popular unil last 10 years or so, when hype train arrived. Having bought into hype train myself, I was left going…is this it? The best Rolex? Its gone now, I keep my subs, because they are pure class, but the daytona…a zenith copy at best.
@@gavinwhite9743agree, just a hype thing! It is a nice watch tho but not $25-$30k nice.
@@gavinwhite9743 Subs are classic for sure especially with glidelock. The plain no date sub is the one for me. Zenith is a great brand. Chronomaster Revival Shadow is my favorite and they just came out with a matching bracelet for it.
I really think Omega should do a better job at marketing the fact that one of their watches was worn on the moon
🤣
Dya reckon the speedy will catch on?
I’ve had this one for 18 years. Last couple years it hasn’t left the safe. I just can’t stand its poor water resistance. A TRUE sports watch should at least be swimmable. I mean really.
As an icon? Yes it’s iconic.
But since I tend to go in water much more frequently than I go to the moon it’s not a daily true sports watch to me.
One of these days it’ll go on the sale block.
I have a Sub Date (16610) and never thought I'd be drawn to a Speedy, but I tried one on last month and I can't get it out of my head. I may have to pull the trigger on a pre owned sandwich. I've read the comments about the bracelet, but honestly I found it to be as comfortable as the president bracelet on my Day Date.
Day Date is one of the best bracelets ever made
I think calling it the greatest tool watch is a more appropriate title. I know the 5bar was an original spec but it really lets it down for sport IMO.
@@likeDC79 How so? 50 metres is far deeper than most will go with their watches unless they are diving. 50 metres doesn’t just mean splash proof with Omega. The Speedmaster is rated for swimming. Take this info directly from Omega: “All current OMEGA watches are water resistant to the depth defined by the model specifications, provided that the components ensuring the water resistance are intact. This means that an OMEGA watch that is water resistant to 30 metres can be worn for swimming at depths of up to 30 metres underwater for extended periods without restriction.”
@@Zsmart17 But we've been taught but the watch folks that 50m is really not true and it's best for washing dishes. Now this is different?
@@paulbonaventura4969 The company that actually designs, manufactures and tests the watches vs. “watch folks” on the internet. Factual information vs. opinion or regurgitated misinformation. I think you can figure out which information on the Speedmaster’s water resistance is valid.
@@paulbonaventura4969 So you can either believe the company that actually designs, manufactures and tests the watches or “watch folks” on the internet. Factual information vs. opinions and regurgitated misinformation.
@@paulbonaventura4969 go to omega's website.
They clearly state that 50m means 50m. 50m down in the water.
Carrera inhouse is $2k less
2nd best all time. I love my 3861 Speedy! But IMO, Submariner is #1
Myn3861 Hesalite Speedy is my favorite watch. Period.
I think one of the best things about the speedy is that it looks awesome on different straps.
So youve got different watches in one 😅
True.
They’re real strap monsters.
sure why not. I got the watchdives version
Bruce why don't you review the new overseas 4520v blue dial ...😅
Ill see what I can do
The taper braclet is too aggressive for a 42mm watch. Other than that, its a keeper!
What is your wrist size?
7.3inches
@@BruceWilliams thanks
what is ansillerary?
A supporting side point
Does having to wind it get old?
As an owner of this watch, I will say the winding does get a little old after a while
It never bothered me
@@LuxLooks But at the same time, it's kind of retro charming & keeps you engaged with it!
@@TheSuperGeniusI agree! This would be the only watch I would ever buy that’s manual wind
Yes 💯
Love the Speedy one day I will add one to my collection
why not consider IWC Pilot's Chronograph 41 as a competitor? Similar price range. I know the IWC doesn't have a tachymeter but it's still a high end chronograph from a luxury brand.
I've owned it. Super good watch. Definitely a competitor!
What can be said about this, that hasn't been said before!
My eyes always first go to this first for some reason, even when placed against MUCH higher valued pieces....
It's the ultimate "One Watch", the ultimate "Strap Monster"... The entrance to the luxury watch, Rabbit Hole.
200m wr is necessary though, which keeps me away, over abd over.
The Speedmaster is a true 50 meters and should be plenty for everything, unless you’re diving past 50 meters.
@@jeffmalm9708 200m water resistance is quite literally unnecessary for a non-dive watch. The Speedmaster can safely be worn 164 feet under water. If you plan on going deeper then wear a dive watch.
1000% a truer statement has not been said
And btw the top 2 comments CLEARLY do not understand water resistance rating wrt watch certification 🤦🏻♂️
@@Treetopflyer777 You dont understand. Thats the case in this matter.
The Submariner is, and always will be, the greatest sports watch of all time
The Sub & Daytona are up there as competitors for the most iconic sports watch
....the others? Just NO, not even close!
Definitely not. A watch that doesn’t have proper water resistance is at best a dress watch. To add on, it is too huge for most. The history of this watch is also now questionable given that US may have faked a moon landing. So all in all, I don’t think it is anywhere near the best or perfect sport watch.
However, it is indeed a nice looking chronograph watch . Will be better if water resistance and sizing are enhanced
The watch actually doesn’t exist. Surprise! It’s a spoof everyone thinks omega makes a speedy but they don’t!
I don’t believe anyone went to the moon. That’s the reason I cannot buy an Omega. It looks like they are full of bs.
A tool watch with only 50 meters water resistance? Give me a break. Any Sinn Navitimer beats the Omega Speedmaster.
Not too much water in space…
Sport watch doesn’t always mean diver.
50 metres is far deeper than most will go with their watches unless they are diving. 50 metres doesn’t just mean splash proof with Omega. The Speedmaster is rated for swimming. Take this info directly from Omega: “All current OMEGA watches are water resistant to the depth defined by the model specifications, provided that the components ensuring the water resistance are intact. This means that an OMEGA watch that is water resistant to 30 metres can be worn for swimming at depths of up to 30 metres underwater for extended periods without restriction.”
How many times have you or any of your bros even been 50ft underwater…
The problem with that sort of comment is that it’s simply not even worth a reply. Shame on me
That’s a weird way to spell Rolex Submariner