Left-handed example with a scope-mount west of the Atlantic, not a unicorn but probably the equivalent of a northern-european moose with a form-fitted saddle =)
Back in the 80s when I was competing in biathlon, I replaced the stock on my Anchutz 1427 with a Finish Laukennen stock that I got from one of the US team coaches that looked just like what you’ve got there. It was functional and beautiful, a big step up from the factory stock it replaced and a thing of beauty. Wish I still had that rifle. By the way, the aluminum rail on the left side of the forend is to attach a carrying harness so the rifle can be carried flat across the back and vertical when skiing. Thanks for showing this piece.
@@manicmechanic448 Bragging about owning a Glock is infinitely more acceptable than butchering a mosin nagant with Promag parts. Neither are good mind you, but if I were a home invader, I'd consider a bubba with a mosin that should be put down an easier target.
Let me just appreciate the M91 cucumber salad outfit. Also, your open chest pockets will probably get you chewed on by the first Finnish NCO that sees you
One of these was recently featured on "Hot gat or fudd crap" article on TFB. Sadly none of the writers there recognized the rifle as an official conversion and thought it was a well done Elbonian rifle.
@@sniperfreak223 most nuggets are garbage rods Finnish ones is another story altogether especially ones that are converted by them to legit target rifles.
From what I've heard, TKiv 85 should be going to war reserves and province companies with SVD soon, as the new Sako rifles come to service. TRG M10's for bolt action sniping and M23 for DMR.
@@ForgottenWeapons I'd like too see that video for one simple reason; Ian trying to say "tarkkuuskivääri". I mean he chickened out on "rynnäkkökivääri" while doing the RK62 videa so....
I did a few of Homeland Defence Organizations sniper courses in the early 2000s...We got issued both these and the M85 variant. 28/76 is lighter of these two, and dragging it in a ditch all ghillied up was far nicer. The bipod was a rather clunky affair but the rifles were easily capable of hitting targets at 500 meters, which was the maximum distance we could use at the Coastal Brigade's range.
My father had an old m/28-30 modified for biathlon use back in late 50's early 60's. He ordered a barrel and biathlon stock (and biathlon harness) from Sako and had it put together (by Sako or armory). The stock was different type, i.e. not the same as the one Ian shows here. My dad used it till the .22LR rifles took over in military biathlon competitions too.
The boys at 9hole reviews gotta run this thing!!! Very nice weapon. Love the left hand fire right hand bolt. Always wanted a lefty for my collection. Like the opposing hand bolt operation idea. Trigger hand stays put. On further thought neither of them are leftys so.... bummer. You da man Ian. Thanks
Taskut! Lepo! Taskut - kiinni! :D ... points for Ian for wearing the M/91 (summer version) on the video (The summer version was basically issued only to those on duty outside Finland, id est UN peacekeeping missions et cetera.)
Oh dang! On the range, he has sorsalakki (the duck cap), a soft cap originally used with the M/62 cammies! :) (The camo pattern is the same, with M/91 the colors were standardized; earlier M/62 had wild variety of shades as fabric printing colors shifted easily)
@@petrimakela5978 Suck? You must have had wrong size or your hair was too long - as I remember, it was one of the better liked items (and as such, one of the items that was most frequently reported ”lost”)
13:18 I love the sentiment Ian, and i do get the joke (i actually smiled to myself), however i do feel the need to inform the 99.99 percent of viewers not from here that even the northern parts of Finland, Sweden and Norway (well, northern Norway not as much being right next to the north sea and across the 'scandinavian mountains' mountain range from Sweden) do get to 95-100+ degrees F for an admittedly small part of the year. Long story short, it gets actually hot up here in the sub-arctic (way north of where Ian usually goes in Finland) for at least a short period each summer. Funnily enough, that's usually around the same period when the sun doesn't set at night (or only partially sets as it is here where i live), whodathunkit? 100 degrees F in the shade is rare, i admit, but it does happen. A nice summer does have a good few days with 75-85 degrees F in the shade and a couple-three-five days (24 hour days) when it never gets below 68 degrees F. LOTS and LOTS of mosquitoes though, oh lawd the mosquitoes.
A Company of British troops went a few years ago to a military exercise in Finnish Lapland unprepared. A few days later most of them were considered casualties in the exercise as the Mosquitoes almost ate them alive.
So cool, I own one of these and it is a truly amazing piece. Mine came with the name tag of the last person to use it in competition. Silky smooth and ultra light trigger. The double ghost ring sights are super super cool.
My dad worked at Asevarikko1 from around 1969-2005ish and he was a carpenter who made the stocks to this rifle and the tkiv 85 with his work buddies😎 Need to show the video to my dad. Fun fact my grandpa worked in Asevarikko1 before and during the winter/continuation war and after it
I had an M28/76 without the scope mount. It was chambered in 7.62X53R so I couldnt run surplus and factory ammo was expensive so I sold it. I regret that decision now. I still have a beautiful M39 with a plum color barrel that I love.
I have the Finn M-39 rifle, one of the first milsurps I ever bought. Looks very nice, but the bore is badly pitted, as I didn't really know what to look for way back then. I call her my "Prom Queen with bad teeth". 😆
I made a 22 cal. copy from 28/57 when I was serving in 1972-3 just to make something to use for my sparetime and I was amassed how steady 28/57 was when standing. Durin that period one H. Ikola was making a 22 rim. prototype for him self. So some way I came close to Finnish rifle devepment. I still have this 22 cal. "Reikäkivääri" a so called Hole rifle because it has a hole in the stock where the thump goes tru.
Holy crap. The intro to describe how the Finnish got from plain Mosin Nagant to that rifle was so long! So much of people believing they can do a little better each time. Challenge Ian to get each of those rifles and shoot them all in one day. In winter though,as was intended.
I just competed last week at the USA Shooting 300 meter National Rifle Championship in Elk River, MN using a Finnish made Tikka T3X. It can get the job done just as well as the Swiss made Grunig and Bleiker 300 meter rifles. The Finns make great rifles.
I got to shoot with that during my service and won all the artillery officers who was shooting with me. Some of them even claimed that someone had shot to my target since they had a hard time believing that a navy medic could beat them in shooting.
@@anttieskelinen1 I was being an ass and making a joke about your English, even knowing it's not your first language. You said you "won all the artillery officers" and not "won against all the artillery officers" If you still have those officers in your possession, please disregard my poor attempt at a joke.
LOL ... I had the same thing when i was in the forces ... you shoot well and people say the people next to you are shooting at your target ...as if that would be better
@@anttieskelinen1 So, it was Upinniemi then?😀 I served there from 1992 to 2000. First at coastal artillery (to June 1996). After that Navy to October 2000.
I remember reading an article (probably in the old Dutch AK56 magazine) in the early 00's about a sniper competition in Finland and I clearly recall them mentioning "custom-built Mosin action platforms." I get the feeling this is what the author was referring to when he was observing the proceedings.
I shot with this and the TAK-85 as well as the SVD during my service in the sniper/dmr training. My personal rifle being the 85 with a Zeiss 2-7x42 scope with a finer duplex reticle. The 85 is more adjustable incl.trigger angle and pull settings. As I recall(might be wrong) that these 76's were .308-bore built to shoot the .308-caliber D46 target bullet. A 185gr fmjbt "Häyhä" bullet. The 85 was a .310-bore built for the .310-caliber 200gr D166 "war-bullet". So we had to pay attention which rounds were used in different rifles. But there was only a couple of 76's in use in our unit back in the mid 90's. Shooting .311-caliber like I'd assume this S&B 182gr stuff is, I wouldn't expect very impressive results in precision but more like impressive recoil and pressure marks in the primers as well as extensive coppering in the barrel. These rifles may be old but it is the superbly made barrels, head spacing, triggers, the Proper ammunition(not Russki surplus iron-stuff) And the shooter that hits his mark that kills not how 'modern' any particular weapon is.. A 185gr-200gr fmjbt with a high SD and BC with an impact velocity of 2000fps out in the distance will harvest meat with always two holes in the opponent. The entrance and the exit. No difference in physical practice to a modern .308 "sniper rifle".
I don't have a Finnish target/sniper rifle, but i have several from Norway, Sweden, and Denmark. Cool rifles for sure, especially the ones that were built into essentially civilian marksmanship rifles from rifles captured at the end of WWII. One that I have is a Danish Schultz and Larsen built on a VZ 24 action. A bunch of them came into Canada over the last 10 years or so from Sweden and Denmark.
Glad to hear that as a finn myself, but i wouldn't say that mosin nagant is "turd", if you have ever heard of 6,5mm caliber carcano rifles. they're called terni rifles because a company: terni imported them in finland, only for us to complain how shitty the carcanos were, the caliber is inadequate for our environment and stopping power is almost non existent of you hit anywhere but the red commie bastard's "cabbage" (brains)
@@nerome619 simo passed away if i remember correctly in 2002. But who knows if he even held or seen this model. But for sure he was definitely around the same time this model was created. And yes i know the model he used was the Model 28-30
I'm from Lapua so I'd love to see Ian talking about Finnish ammo, since that's the only thing my home town is known for other than commie busting in the 30's. During my military service it was heart warming to see that ammo was always marked Lapua :D
@@Schaumanner im familiar with Lapua with the racetrack as it is one that allows some noise. I would argue that at least half if not more bensalenkkarit in drifting scene would know Lapua.
Finland had like 27-30 pieces of sniper rifle scopes 30.11.1939 when USSR attacked and WW2 started for Finnish part. Thus just for evaluations/development, basically. With around 2x to 4x fixed magnification. (Interestingly also only 27-30 tanks. Old tanks for training infantry for how to work with and against tanks. Only some of them had cannon, rest with machine guns.)
Ashamed to admit this but... I got a call from a friend who ran a gunshop. He knew I liked Milsurp rifles but mostly the odd ones or bubba modified ones. He told me he had a bubba Mosin and he sold it to me for $250. It was one of these in right hand. It was missing the diopter sights and scope but had the mount. I put on a scope from my parts bin and shot it in. I liked it but the stock looked horrible, and I ended up selling it in a deal later on. He and I both thought it was just some bubba modified milsurp.
I have a variant of this rifle, bought it few years ago 180€, with bushnell scope. I think it is one of the best deals I have ever made. Shoots almost as well as my tikka t3. Mosin trigger definitely needs some practice to get used to.
2/97 and I have a love/hate relationship with this rifle. Conscripts think it funny to always mess up the sights for the next guy and one day I got the "nakki" job to zero the diopters of 6 of these. They were the most messed up and I couldn't even hit the frames with some of them at first. Of course alone with no spotter. I walked back and forth that range like 20 km that day and my shoulder was blue for hundred+ rounds fired. This rifle has a bit of a kick to it. It's a good rifle though, nice trigger and you can hit bullseyes with the diopter at 300m range with ease once it's zeroed in... Looking back at it being sore all over was small price for having the range all day alone with this thing.
I have a great regret not bidding one one of these probably 12 years ago at a local auction. It had the scope base but didn't have the scope and didn't have a bipod on it. It went for like $650 and I missed out.
Just a bit of trivia, the novelest who wrote "Enemy at the Gates" spent years traveling eastern europe doing background research, then died some time after sending the completed manuscript off to the publisher. As a result he wasn't around when they did the cover art for the book, which was copied for some of the movie posters. The graphic artist doing the paste up, not knowing anything about firearms and working in a generally gun phobic industry mirrored the image of the rifle and nobody caught the mistake. It shows a true lefty M91-30, something that AFAIK never existed.
The bolt throw also looks a LOT smoother than the one on my M91/30. Also on mine, the sights were so off to the side from the factory, that they had to be drifted so far out that they look like they are about to fall of the front dovetail!
I have one of those stocks. But just the stock. Previous owner broke it at the pistol grip, and "repaired" it. I've been planning on fixing it correctly, but I don't have a spare moist nugget to modify.
My buddy has one of these with a pretty close serial number to yours. Unfortunately if I remember correctly the scope mount was bent in shipping so he's stuck shooting with the diopter sights. It's a neat rifle for sure.
If u pay close attention to the stock of this rifle u will see it designed for a left handed shooter - the pistol grip is cut to fit the heel of the left thumb and the cheek pad is for the left side cheek - my kind of rifle since im a left handed shooter
I have one and she is in the safe lol. Never use her. One of the few rifles NYC let me buy. I brought it from another state and transfer it to NYC lol. Now its in Tx and still not used :).
Without the scope, this is basically a standard ISSF competition rifle. It is like a antique version of my Tanner 300 meter rifle (sights, stock form, handstop, etc), The trigger pull is limited to 1.5 kg but they were often set up to have a first stage just under the 1.5 kg and the remaining trigger breaking like the proverbial glass toothpick. Lovely rifles to shoot, but bipods are a no-no.
I love how the fins can just will an old mosin into a smooth precision rifle with slick bolt and trigger that's still used to this day when the recover could be over 100 years old. The fins don't polish turds they remove all the turd and rebuild it with good stuff. I love my m39 and other fin mosins Mostly as I have a huge stockpile of. 54r and it's the best rifle to shoot it from. I do have a SMLE and Martini endfeild rechanbered to 54r but it's not as accurate. (the lead of both rifles where bad and so was the head space on the SMLE, barrel was fine on both ndut he cut some threads off added some treads rechanbered cut a little of the mizzle of and recrowned then with the SMLE messed with the mag and it takes 10 54R rounds with tripper clips just fine. The martini endfeild is so fun and cheap to shoot.
CKshouta 24 minutes ago One of these was recently featured on "Hot gat or fudd crap" article on TFB. Sadly none of the writers there recognized the rifle as an official conversion and thought it was a well done Elbonian rifle.
I’m a left handed shooter. It kinda of bothers me how indifferent Ian seems towards asymmetrical grips, stocks and actions sometimes, specially when he remarks there’s no left handed options for a particular weapon. On the other hand (ha-ha, get it?) it got me pretty stoked and kind of heart-warmed to see that super asymmetrical left handed target comp stock on a finnish mosin. I can only imagine how excited Ian was when he first saw it too (and knew he would be able to take it to the the range).
I guess I got lucky with my matching Tula M91/30 Mosin. It's from 38, re barreled in 50, the bolt is smooth as glass, the trigger is like 4 pounds and crisp minimal take up. I hear so many stories about bad bolts and triggers in Mosins but not mine
it's an inaccurate generalization, much like "the AK is inherently inaccurate". they've got that reputation because at one point, there were ALOT of cheap imported mosins and AK's that were sold off because they were abused or old and busted to begin with. both were also made with sub-standard quality in communist countries. but as platforms, they're really not inaccurate or bad. it just depends on who made or updated them.
I was trying to figure out why this rifle looked really familiar, and it finally clicked: I started (re)playing Wasteland 3 recently, and one of the sniper rifles in the game is a "Perkele Model 85" that was clearly inspired by this. (The in-game description states that "Like Finns, these Finnish rifles require regular cleanings with Koskenkorva.")
I remember when a batch of these came into the country like 20 years ago. I kinda wanted one, but they weren't C&R eligible because they weren't in original condition, or something, and my local shop didn't do transfers. Plus they were a little pricey.
Left-handed example with a scope-mount west of the Atlantic, not a unicorn but probably the equivalent of a northern-european moose with a form-fitted saddle =)
Ok, who has leaked the info about the top secret nordic moose cavalry?
Ians fascination with Finland and Finnish guns warms my cold Finnish heart
To keep your heart warm may I suggest some time in a smoke sauna?
America loves Finnish guns 👏🏻
Sama
Simo would be proud.
How could you not be? Some crazy stuff, I mean, look at THIS thing.
Back in the 80s when I was competing in biathlon, I replaced the stock on my Anchutz 1427 with a Finish Laukennen stock that I got from one of the US team coaches that looked just like what you’ve got there. It was functional and beautiful, a big step up from the factory stock it replaced and a thing of beauty. Wish I still had that rifle. By the way, the aluminum rail on the left side of the forend is to attach a carrying harness so the rifle can be carried flat across the back and vertical when skiing.
Thanks for showing this piece.
I love how modifiable the old Mosin's are.
Yeah, bubba does too.
Oh Bubba, no!
@@spookyindeed you brag about ownin a Glock, don't you?
@@manicmechanic448 Bragging about owning a Glock is infinitely more acceptable than butchering a mosin nagant with Promag parts. Neither are good mind you, but if I were a home invader, I'd consider a bubba with a mosin that should be put down an easier target.
@@coolsenjoyer except the finns had a good sense of quality control, fudds who fit a mosin into an archangel stock do not.
Let me just appreciate the M91 cucumber salad outfit. Also, your open chest pockets will probably get you chewed on by the first Finnish NCO that sees you
I only noticed them from your comment and now I can't keep my eyes off of them.
It just feels so... wrong.
The word you're looking for is relish.
Gona
I believe that is a Hellepuku M01
Now I'm just imagining a particularly angry Finnish Sergeant hanging off Ian's sleeve-teeth bared, frothing at the mouth and growling
Nice to see Ian rocking the Finnish drip
With a very rare "duck" cap to boot.
7:56 Firma Karl Krähling Optik in Wetzlar, Germany
MSW-Wetzlar: M. Hensoldt & Söhne Optische Werkstätte Wetzlar
I just got back from a trip to Helsinki a couple of days ago and saw this in a military museum. Awesome!
One of these was recently featured on "Hot gat or fudd crap" article on TFB. Sadly none of the writers there recognized the rifle as an official conversion and thought it was a well done Elbonian rifle.
Wow, the folks at TFB don't actually know that much about old guns?
Colour me surprised!
Seriously though, all it takes is a Google search.
The "tacticool" folks don't hold the moist nuggets in very high regard
@@sniperfreak223 most nuggets are garbage rods
Finnish ones is another story altogether
especially ones that are converted by them to legit target rifles.
@@CKshouta you are aware that the Finnish Mosins are all just rebuilt "garbage" Mosins?
If anyway possible, I'd love to see Ian take a look at the TKIV 85, the still serving sniper Mosin of the Finnish Army.
At the start he says this is “not quite the final” sniper mosin. So I’d bet good money he’s either already filmed the newer rifle or he has plans to
I don't have it filmed yet, but it's on the list. :)
From what I've heard, TKiv 85 should be going to war reserves and province companies with SVD soon, as the new Sako rifles come to service. TRG M10's for bolt action sniping and M23 for DMR.
The 85 is a lovely rifle especially taking into account its humble ancestry, and especially with D166 bullets.
@@ForgottenWeapons I'd like too see that video for one simple reason; Ian trying to say "tarkkuuskivääri". I mean he chickened out on "rynnäkkökivääri" while doing the RK62 videa so....
I did a few of Homeland Defence Organizations sniper courses in the early 2000s...We got issued both these and the M85 variant. 28/76 is lighter of these two, and dragging it in a ditch all ghillied up was far nicer. The bipod was a rather clunky affair but the rifles were easily capable of hitting targets at 500 meters, which was the maximum distance we could use at the Coastal Brigade's range.
My father had an old m/28-30 modified for biathlon use back in late 50's early 60's. He ordered a barrel and biathlon stock (and biathlon harness) from Sako and had it put together (by Sako or armory). The stock was different type, i.e. not the same as the one Ian shows here. My dad used it till the .22LR rifles took over in military biathlon competitions too.
that stock looks so nice
The boys at 9hole reviews gotta run this thing!!! Very nice weapon. Love the left hand fire right hand bolt. Always wanted a lefty for my collection. Like the opposing hand bolt operation idea. Trigger hand stays put. On further thought neither of them are leftys so.... bummer. You da man Ian. Thanks
Taskut! Lepo! Taskut - kiinni!
:D
... points for Ian for wearing the M/91 (summer version) on the video
(The summer version was basically issued only to those on duty outside Finland, id est UN peacekeeping missions et cetera.)
Oh dang! On the range, he has sorsalakki (the duck cap), a soft cap originally used with the M/62 cammies! :)
(The camo pattern is the same, with M/91 the colors were standardized; earlier M/62 had wild variety of shades as fabric printing colors shifted easily)
Finnish M62 Camouflage Effectiveness: ua-cam.com/video/zm7g1wsdIyw/v-deo.html
That so familiar BDU... I used that during my first tour in BiH.😀 Good memories.
But my god does that cap suck
@@petrimakela5978 Suck? You must have had wrong size or your hair was too long - as I remember, it was one of the better liked items (and as such, one of the items that was most frequently reported ”lost”)
that stock is beautiful
Love the lefty stock there!
13:18 I love the sentiment Ian, and i do get the joke (i actually smiled to myself), however i do feel the need to inform the 99.99 percent of viewers not from here that even the northern parts of Finland, Sweden and Norway (well, northern Norway not as much being right next to the north sea and across the 'scandinavian mountains' mountain range from Sweden) do get to 95-100+ degrees F for an admittedly small part of the year.
Long story short, it gets actually hot up here in the sub-arctic (way north of where Ian usually goes in Finland) for at least a short period each summer. Funnily enough, that's usually around the same period when the sun doesn't set at night (or only partially sets as it is here where i live), whodathunkit?
100 degrees F in the shade is rare, i admit, but it does happen. A nice summer does have a good few days with 75-85 degrees F in the shade and a couple-three-five days (24 hour days) when it never gets below 68 degrees F.
LOTS and LOTS of mosquitoes though, oh lawd the mosquitoes.
The above post may or may not have been crafted under the influence of ethanol in the blood. Who knows?
A Company of British troops went a few years ago to a military exercise in Finnish Lapland unprepared. A few days later most of them were considered casualties in the exercise as the Mosquitoes almost ate them alive.
So cool, I own one of these and it is a truly amazing piece. Mine came with the name tag of the last person to use it in competition. Silky smooth and ultra light trigger. The double ghost ring sights are super super cool.
My dad worked at Asevarikko1 from around 1969-2005ish and he was a carpenter who made the stocks to this rifle and the tkiv 85 with his work buddies😎 Need to show the video to my dad. Fun fact my grandpa worked in Asevarikko1 before and during the winter/continuation war and after it
I had an M28/76 without the scope mount. It was chambered in 7.62X53R so I couldnt run surplus and factory ammo was expensive so I sold it. I regret that decision now. I still have a beautiful M39 with a plum color barrel that I love.
Just wonderful to see how it shoot as well as the usual technical stuff. Another great video about a great gun and a lefty one at that for Ian!
you really need 4K with all these amassing firearms you are showing. Especially with all the great content that you are making.
I greatly enjoy your pronunciation of Kuopio at 5:10
I have the Finn M-39 rifle, one of the first milsurps I ever bought. Looks very nice, but the bore is badly pitted, as I didn't really know what to look for way back then. I call her my "Prom Queen with bad teeth". 😆
"Sporterizing" done so right it becomes a sniper/competition rifle. I'll allow it.
Great Video, Ian. This rifle reminds me of the East German SSG-82 Police Sniper rifle, on steroids!
Kiitos paljon Ian!
I made a 22 cal. copy from 28/57 when I was serving in 1972-3 just to make something to use for my sparetime and I was amassed how steady 28/57 was when standing. Durin that period one H. Ikola was making a 22 rim. prototype for him self. So some way I came close to Finnish rifle devepment. I still have this 22 cal. "Reikäkivääri" a so called Hole rifle because it has a hole in the stock where the thump goes tru.
Holy crap. The intro to describe how the Finnish got from plain Mosin Nagant to that rifle was so long! So much of people believing they can do a little better each time. Challenge Ian to get each of those rifles and shoot them all in one day. In winter though,as was intended.
5:30
Very nicely pronounced "Asevarikko", Ian is becoming fluent in finnish
I just competed last week at the USA Shooting 300 meter National Rifle Championship in Elk River, MN using a Finnish made Tikka T3X. It can get the job done just as well as the Swiss made Grunig and Bleiker 300 meter rifles. The Finns make great rifles.
very cool! I have a frankenstein built which has 27-66 stock, TKIV-85 bedding block, Maxim barrel and a Timney trigger :D
I got to shoot with that during my service and won all the artillery officers who was shooting with me. Some of them even claimed that someone had shot to my target since they had a hard time believing that a navy medic could beat them in shooting.
What did you do with all the arty officers?
@@randymagnum143 coastal artillery was a thing back then.
@@anttieskelinen1 I was being an ass and making a joke about your English, even knowing it's not your first language.
You said you "won all the artillery officers" and not "won against all the artillery officers"
If you still have those officers in your possession, please disregard my poor attempt at a joke.
LOL ... I had the same thing when i was in the forces ... you shoot well and people say the people next to you are shooting at your target ...as if that would be better
@@anttieskelinen1 So, it was Upinniemi then?😀 I served there from 1992 to 2000. First at coastal artillery (to June 1996). After that Navy to October 2000.
The fact that you were able to find a left hand version is pretty cool
History and shooting in one video. What a treat.
This dude is amazing. No bull, no stupid jokes or content for the show
I remember reading an article (probably in the old Dutch AK56 magazine) in the early 00's about a sniper competition in Finland and I clearly recall them mentioning "custom-built Mosin action platforms." I get the feeling this is what the author was referring to when he was observing the proceedings.
I wonder how much a much rarer left handed and factory scoped variant of an already rare finnish sniper rifle set Ian back...
Low 5 figures at least. I don't see a big following for these as they don't have a history of combat use but the rarity alone should put it up there.
7:02 "And this one on mine..." This is Ian's rifle. There are few like it, but this one is Ian's.
These rifles are pretty accurate. I have M28-57 but it is equipped with M27 stock.
Mosins aren't bad shooters anyway. The surplus ammo sock. Reload with good bullets and powder and they shout pretty well.
I find Finnish mosins are extremely interesting. Nice camo by the way
I shot with this and the TAK-85 as well as the SVD during my service in the sniper/dmr training. My personal rifle being the 85 with a Zeiss 2-7x42 scope with a finer duplex reticle. The 85 is more adjustable incl.trigger angle and pull settings.
As I recall(might be wrong) that these 76's were .308-bore built to shoot the .308-caliber D46 target bullet. A 185gr fmjbt "Häyhä" bullet. The 85 was a .310-bore built for the .310-caliber 200gr D166 "war-bullet". So we had to pay attention which rounds were used in different rifles. But there was only a couple of 76's in use in our unit back in the mid 90's.
Shooting .311-caliber like I'd assume this S&B 182gr stuff is, I wouldn't expect very impressive results in precision but more like impressive recoil and pressure marks in the primers as well as extensive coppering in the barrel.
These rifles may be old but it is the superbly made barrels, head spacing, triggers, the Proper ammunition(not Russki surplus iron-stuff) And the shooter that hits his mark that kills not how 'modern' any particular weapon is.. A 185gr-200gr fmjbt with a high SD and BC with an impact velocity of 2000fps out in the distance will harvest meat with always two holes in the opponent. The entrance and the exit. No difference in physical practice to a modern .308 "sniper rifle".
I don't have a Finnish target/sniper rifle, but i have several from Norway, Sweden, and Denmark. Cool rifles for sure, especially the ones that were built into essentially civilian marksmanship rifles from rifles captured at the end of WWII. One that I have is a Danish Schultz and Larsen built on a VZ 24 action. A bunch of them came into Canada over the last 10 years or so from Sweden and Denmark.
Well goes to show the phrase 'you can't polish a turd' has never met a determined Finn!
Simo Häyhä wouldnt call the M28-30 a turd
Glad to hear that as a finn myself, but i wouldn't say that mosin nagant is "turd", if you have ever heard of 6,5mm caliber carcano rifles.
they're called terni rifles because a company: terni imported them in finland, only for us to complain how shitty the carcanos were, the caliber is inadequate for our environment and stopping power is almost non existent of you hit anywhere but the red commie bastard's "cabbage" (brains)
@@Jake_Hamlin He wasn't from 1976 when this rifle was introduced ... technology had moved on.
It's not the rifle pattern that is bad in russian mosins apparently , it's fetal alcohol syndrome machinists.
@@nerome619 simo passed away if i remember correctly in 2002. But who knows if he even held or seen this model. But for sure he was definitely around the same time this model was created. And yes i know the model he used was the Model 28-30
there is also a dragoon/cavalry ww2 finland uniform, and ww2 raincoat standard infantry, very drippy stuff bro
As a fellow lefty I am astounded that this virtually unique rifle made it into the US and into Ian’s hands! Color me jealous.
Hey ian would you be able to discuss Finnish ammunition?
I think it's sort of a forgotten thing about Finnish use and adoption of small arms
I'm from Lapua so I'd love to see Ian talking about Finnish ammo, since that's the only thing my home town is known for other than commie busting in the 30's. During my military service it was heart warming to see that ammo was always marked Lapua :D
@@Schaumanner im familiar with Lapua with the racetrack as it is one that allows some noise. I would argue that at least half if not more bensalenkkarit in drifting scene would know Lapua.
9 hole review has to try that!
Finland had like 27-30 pieces of sniper rifle scopes 30.11.1939 when USSR attacked and WW2 started for Finnish part. Thus just for evaluations/development, basically. With around 2x to 4x fixed magnification.
(Interestingly also only 27-30 tanks. Old tanks for training infantry for how to work with and against tanks. Only some of them had cannon, rest with machine guns.)
That rifle just looks like fun to shoot.
Gun Jesus's collection and dedication to international gun history makes me happy.
Ashamed to admit this but... I got a call from a friend who ran a gunshop. He knew I liked Milsurp rifles but mostly the odd ones or bubba modified ones. He told me he had a bubba Mosin and he sold it to me for $250. It was one of these in right hand. It was missing the diopter sights and scope but had the mount. I put on a scope from my parts bin and shot it in. I liked it but the stock looked horrible, and I ended up selling it in a deal later on. He and I both thought it was just some bubba modified milsurp.
Most Mosins are very accurate if you feed them right. I load with Winchester brass, WLR primers, 174 grain SMK billets and 44 grains of Varget.
Yep, the surplus ammo socks. A Mosin isn't nearly as bad as Givin credit. They shoot well with good ammo.
I have a variant of this rifle, bought it few years ago 180€, with bushnell scope. I think it is one of the best deals I have ever made. Shoots almost as well as my tikka t3. Mosin trigger definitely needs some practice to get used to.
Finland used to absolutely dominate biathlon competitions with these.
2/97 and I have a love/hate relationship with this rifle. Conscripts think it funny to always mess up the sights for the next guy and one day I got the "nakki" job to zero the diopters of 6 of these. They were the most messed up and I couldn't even hit the frames with some of them at first. Of course alone with no spotter. I walked back and forth that range like 20 km that day and my shoulder was blue for hundred+ rounds fired. This rifle has a bit of a kick to it. It's a good rifle though, nice trigger and you can hit bullseyes with the diopter at 300m range with ease once it's zeroed in... Looking back at it being sore all over was small price for having the range all day alone with this thing.
I can just imagine touching that trigger before you get it snugged in tight...😬
This rifle has Ian's name all over it. My bet is it will be one of his prize firearms from this day forward.
Beautiful rifle.
Reminds me of the ssg82
I have a great regret not bidding one one of these probably 12 years ago at a local auction. It had the scope base but didn't have the scope and didn't have a bipod on it. It went for like $650 and I missed out.
I've always wanted one of those.
Speaking of biathlon rifles, it's always fascinating to see ease with which it cycled. Is this specific design, or just high-quality manufature?
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i used this in army and loved it ! it gave me many numbs to shoulder
I hope you never run out of cool guns to do videos about.
Just a bit of trivia, the novelest who wrote "Enemy at the Gates" spent years traveling eastern europe doing background research, then died some time after sending the completed manuscript off to the publisher. As a result he wasn't around when they did the cover art for the book, which was copied for some of the movie posters. The graphic artist doing the paste up, not knowing anything about firearms and working in a generally gun phobic industry mirrored the image of the rifle and nobody caught the mistake. It shows a true lefty M91-30, something that AFAIK never existed.
Does anyone remember the video when Ian tells the lady enthusiastically the anecdote about Mosin's bolt and the rock?
Ah, another rifle I need. Why does Ian do this to me? Why do I do this to myself?😢😂
I'm curious the range for full power biathlon. The safety logistics must have been much more daunting.
The bolt throw also looks a LOT smoother than the one on my M91/30. Also on mine, the sights were so off to the side from the factory, that they had to be drifted so far out that they look like they are about to fall of the front dovetail!
I'm cammo with envy, perkele!
I have one of those stocks. But just the stock. Previous owner broke it at the pistol grip, and "repaired" it. I've been planning on fixing it correctly, but I don't have a spare moist nugget to modify.
Please make the next book about finnish ww2 weapons! Would be an immediate buy.
My buddy has one of these with a pretty close serial number to yours. Unfortunately if I remember correctly the scope mount was bent in shipping so he's stuck shooting with the diopter sights. It's a neat rifle for sure.
When those stock came to finnsih army surplus stores, most were left hand. Never saw a right hand stock in the surplus store.
If u pay close attention to the stock of this rifle u will see it designed for a left handed shooter - the pistol grip is cut to fit the heel of the left thumb and the cheek pad is for the left side cheek - my kind of rifle since im a left handed shooter
13:25 I saw one in a sauna..in Finland! I miss the '00s 😞
I have one and she is in the safe lol. Never use her. One of the few rifles NYC let me buy. I brought it from another state and transfer it to NYC lol. Now its in Tx and still not used :).
Without the scope, this is basically a standard ISSF competition rifle. It is like a antique version of my Tanner 300 meter rifle (sights, stock form, handstop, etc), The trigger pull is limited to 1.5 kg but they were often set up to have a first stage just under the 1.5 kg and the remaining trigger breaking like the proverbial glass toothpick. Lovely rifles to shoot, but bipods are a no-no.
wonder if this is related to the later 7.62 TKIV 85
Essentially same guys behind that project
Looks like the Diana break barrel pellet rifle I had as a kid 😂
No more so than any other precision rifle of the period.
I would like to see Rob Ski get his hands on that rifle. Great video.
Ian has m/62 ”Duck” cap (camo ) hat❤
Enlisted men insignia.
M/91 style jacket
I love how the fins can just will an old mosin into a smooth precision rifle with slick bolt and trigger that's still used to this day when the recover could be over 100 years old.
The fins don't polish turds they remove all the turd and rebuild it with good stuff.
I love my m39 and other fin mosins
Mostly as I have a huge stockpile of. 54r and it's the best rifle to shoot it from.
I do have a SMLE and Martini endfeild rechanbered to 54r but it's not as accurate.
(the lead of both rifles where bad and so was the head space on the SMLE, barrel was fine on both ndut he cut some threads off added some treads rechanbered cut a little of the mizzle of and recrowned then with the SMLE messed with the mag and it takes 10 54R rounds with tripper clips just fine.
The martini endfeild is so fun and cheap to shoot.
Isn't this the rifle that featured recently on The Firearm Blog's Hot Gat or Fud Crap feature?
CKshouta
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One of these was recently featured on "Hot gat or fudd crap" article on TFB. Sadly none of the writers there recognized the rifle as an official conversion and thought it was a well done Elbonian rifle.
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq I thought so. Thanks.
It’s awesome to see a Mossin action performing without Sticky Bolt 😊
I’m a left handed shooter. It kinda of bothers me how indifferent Ian seems towards asymmetrical grips, stocks and actions sometimes, specially when he remarks there’s no left handed options for a particular weapon. On the other hand (ha-ha, get it?) it got me pretty stoked and kind of heart-warmed to see that super asymmetrical left handed target comp stock on a finnish mosin. I can only imagine how excited Ian was when he first saw it too (and knew he would be able to take it to the the range).
I guess I got lucky with my matching Tula M91/30 Mosin. It's from 38, re barreled in 50, the bolt is smooth as glass, the trigger is like 4 pounds and crisp minimal take up. I hear so many stories about bad bolts and triggers in Mosins but not mine
it's an inaccurate generalization, much like "the AK is inherently inaccurate".
they've got that reputation because at one point, there were ALOT of cheap imported mosins and AK's that were sold off because they were abused or old and busted to begin with. both were also made with sub-standard quality in communist countries.
but as platforms, they're really not inaccurate or bad. it just depends on who made or updated them.
This is the guy the PU Mosin's girlfriend tells him not to worry about
Finland to Ian: Dear Sir, Our match sniper rifles were designed to be used in cold weather and snow. They were not designed for any use above 45F.....
Thank you for all of your hard work. Are Finnish mosans affordable?
Well not anymore. I had gotten most of mine 5 years ago or so for anywhere from 450 to 500. Now an M28/30 is pushing $1,000 and an M39 is 800.
I was trying to figure out why this rifle looked really familiar, and it finally clicked: I started (re)playing Wasteland 3 recently, and one of the sniper rifles in the game is a "Perkele Model 85" that was clearly inspired by this. (The in-game description states that "Like Finns, these Finnish rifles require regular cleanings with Koskenkorva.")
Ah Rangers! Good to see you round!
Wow, You scored Bigtime. Enjoy it.
The stock is interesting. Not as sweet as the SAKO .308 heavy barrel I used to have. Very good accuracy with Sierra 168 gr. HPBT.
The last shot was epic.
I remember when a batch of these came into the country like 20 years ago. I kinda wanted one, but they weren't C&R eligible because they weren't in original condition, or something, and my local shop didn't do transfers. Plus they were a little pricey.
Around 2010, I purchased two from the Importer in TN. They, in fact, were C&R eligible and ranged in cost from approx 6 to 750.
@@mikeearl4263 Me too. I bought one, and its very cool.
Ian is the Les Claypool of old firearms 🙂👍
Your reality shooting episodes are quite amusing. Combine forgetfulness with Murphy's law and you have a hit UA-cam channel! lol